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President Trump Left The G7 Summit Early To Head To Singapore; The Great Barrier Reef Is Dying; The New Duchess Of Sussex Looking Relaxed As She Made Her First Royal Balcony Appearance In Buckingham Palace; Anthony Bourdain Died At 61. Aired 4-5p ET

Aired June 9, 2018 - 16:00   ET



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You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. Thank you for rolling with me into the top of the hour. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. President Trump saying goodbye to the G7 summit even though it's still going on. He instead is on a plane right now getting ready for a much higher stakes appearance.

The President in the air on his way to Singapore. That's where, if the current plan holds, he will make history as the first western leader to meet face-to-face with North Korea's Kim Jong-un. That meeting is scheduled for Tuesday.

In the meantime, the gathering of America's strongest allies, the G7, continues in Canada without President Trump in attendance. Before leaving for Singapore, Trump described the United States as quote "a piggy bank that everyone is robbing."

With me now our senior diplomatic correspondent Michelle Kosinski and CNN's Ryan Nobles.

Ryan, the President made that piggy bank comment, talking about someday dropping off trade barriers with U.S. allies. How is that idea playing with these other countries?

RYAN NOBLES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it seems right now, Ana, a tepid would be the word to describe how these world leaders are responding. They are not specifically commenting on this idea of dropping all trade barriers as of yet. But they are trying to put a brave face on what appears to be pretty contentious negotiations over the past day and a half.

Of course, President Trump's body language hasn't always been that friendly in some of these meetings. He is showing up to these meetings late. He showed up to the summit late and he left early.

But these world leaders are trying to strike a balance here, you know, listening to President Trump's tough talk, saying that they understand where he is coming from. But then at the same time not willing to necessarily give in. And in fact, the French President, Emanuel Macron, just held a press conference where he talked about the past two days of deliberations and he said this about a potential G7 joint statement on trade and a trade agreement and this is what Macron said.

He said quote "this agreement is good news and it marks a collective effort to stabilize things. Nevertheless, I do not consider that with that declaration all is obtained and it is obvious that we still have in the coming weeks and next months to continue to work."

So essentially, Macron here saying that they have got things into a better negotiating posture, but that there is still a lot of work to be done. And of course, Ana, there was some concern that President Trump would leave Canada without joining on to a statement with some -- with the rest of these G7 countries, that it would be a statement of six plus one or a separate from that. It seems though, now, that they are at least heading in that direction although we haven't seen the full details of that statement -- Ana.

CABRERA: It's interesting where things landed in terms of the President's comments today, Michelle, because today he says his relationship with the fellow G7 leaders is a 10 out of 10. But that was after about 24 hours ago, he was sounding rather angry in his tweets. There were open disagreements with Britain and France, calling Justin Trudeau indignant. And then look at this picture from the summit. Are these the faces of people enjoying a ten out of ten relationship?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN SENIOR DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT: OK. The pictures are fun to look at. We don't know what was going on in that moment. But the fact is, over the last couple of weeks, we have seen really difficult meetings that shocked some diplomats between, for example, the President and German chancellor Angela Merkel. We saw a telephone conversation between Trump and Emanuel Macron of France. It was described by some diplomats as terrible. So, we know that there's been tension there.

There has been cooperation. You know, we saw good cooperation between the U.S. and its allies, for example, when there was the expulsion of Russian diplomats over the poisoning that happened in the UK. There was coordination over punishing the Assad regime? Syria with air strikes after chemical weapons were used there. So there's coordination. And there is going to be coordination on big issues like ISIS or putting pressure on North Korea. But there is also this problem with how to resolve these trade issues when the U.S. pulls out of the Iran nuclear deal, that's another one that caused great difficulty. So it's not as if these relationships are at a perfect moment right now. And I don't know who would necessarily believe that when the President

describes it as a ten. In fact, one senior European diplomat said to me today that maybe he was talking about ten things on which we totally disagree or maybe that title of the movie, "10 things I hate about you."

[16:05:02] CABRERA: That does not sound good.

Michelle Kosinski, Ryan Nobles, thank you both for your reporting.

Again, the President is on his way right now to Singapore where that historic summit with North Korea's Kim Jong-un is set for Tuesday.

President Trump today calling the summit quote "a one-time shot for Kim to ditch his nuclear weapons." My colleague, Fareed Zakaria explore the high stakes and Syria's risk on the line in his in-depth special "the two faces of Kim Jong-un" which airs tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern.

I asked Fareed, what would a successful summit look like from the U.S. perspective?


FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, FAREED ZAKARIA GPS: Well, I think to be realistic, you are not going to get a deal at this summit. And I think one of the big problems we have is that President Trump has telegraphed so often that he thinks that there is a deal to be had. He thinks it's going to be amazing. It's a very strange way to go about raising expectations on the first meeting you have.

So, I think, realistically, a conversation and a meeting where they agree to begin a process of negotiation. And with the clear understanding that that process has to end with the denuclearization of North Korea.

This is the part that I think President Trump doesn't seem to understand. The North Koreans have built and acquired their nuclear capacity over, really, 40 years. That's one of the things we go into in this documentary. This is something that has been very deep, deeply part of their DNA, their sense of insecurity, their national pride. It seems very unlikely to me that they are going to one day in Singapore just give it all up because Donald Trump is a good negotiator.

CABRERA: In your special, you examine how Kim Jong-un has changed North Korea. Let's watch.

ZAKARIA: We know North Korea is repressive and cruel. One of the darkest and most secretive societies on earth. But now there are some dramatic signs that it is changing under Kim Jong-un.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wants to show the world it's on the move, it's modern, and it's upscale.

ZAKARIA: This is a different North Korea than you've seen before. It begins in the capital city, Pyongyang. If you didn't know, you might think it was Orlando. New water parks, amusement rides, even unauthorized Disney characters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kim Jong-un did not naturally enjoy the support of his people. He had to build it.

ZAKARIA: In a very poor country, Kim Jong-un has spent billions building new luxury apartments and at astonishing speed.

CABRERA: And yet, Fareed, we also know that a lot of people in North Korea are suffering, and President Trump now says he is going to bring up human rights with Kim Jong-un. How significant is that?

ZAKARIA: I think it's significant. I'm glad he said it. It is important. I think it's important to remember that when the United States deals with the world, it has always been the champion of human rights, of individual rights, individual liberties, democracy, the rule of law, and there's been a distressing tendency in the Trump administration to back away from this entirely. I'm not saying that these issues should dominate American foreign policy, but the U.S. has always been a standard bearer. It's always been the country that didn't forget, that always brought these issues up. And if President Trump is going to do that and return to doing that in a way that really every President since Harry Truman has tried to do, I think it would be a very good thing. It fulfills America's historic role in this regard.

CABRERA: We know it makes a lot of decisions based on intuition, as he did as a businessman. He continues to do it as President. On Thursday, he was asked about his preparation for this summit, and he said, quote "I don't think I have to prepare very much. It's about attitude." And then, on Friday, he said this.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I always believe in preparation, but I have been preparing all my life. You know, these one-week preparations, they don't work. Just ask Hillary what happened to her in the debates.

CABRERA: Fareed, what do you make of those comments?

ZAKARIA: Well, by most polls, Hillary won the debates so I'm not quite sure what he means. I think that when you're up against somebody like Kim Jong-un, who is unknown, who is a bit of a black box, it just is common sense that, you know, you should try to find out everything you can about him. Historically, presidents have ordered psychological profiles to be generated by the CIA.

When Jimmy Carter did the Camp David accords, he asked the CIA to give him profiles of (INAUDIBLE), the leaders of Egypt and Israel whom he was trying to bring together to understand what motivated them, what made them tick, what were their vulnerabilities, what were their soft spots. That seems like common sense.

I think President Trump is being a little defensive there because, you know, people say he doesn't read his briefings and such. It surely can't hurt to know more about this very elusive, mysterious character who as we point out in the documentary, really has two faces, one of total repression and ruthlessness. On the other side, this reaching out to the world. Which is the real Kim? How do you bring one? How do you elicit one rather than the other?

You know, look, at some level, it's a fundamental difference in terms of the way President Trump operates. He doesn't believe in careful analysis. He does believe in gut instinct and such, and look, he's probably made some good business decisions like that. He's also gone bankrupt four times. So, let's hope that this one is a case where intuition works.


[16:10:56] CABRERA: Fareed Zakaria's in depth special, "the Two Faces of Kim Jong-un" airs tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific.

Still ahead here in the NEWSROOM, reaction from U.S. lawmakers to the President's comments today at the G7 summit. Stay with us.


[16:15:32] CABRERA: President Trump left the G7 summit early to head to Singapore. This, after showing up late to the summit on Friday. He then showed up late again to a working breakfast this morning and shortly before taking off, he slammed U.S. allies, accusing them of robbing the U.S. when asked about his relationship with other G7 leaders, this is how Trump answered.


TRUMP: The relationship that I have had with the people, the leaders of these countries has been, I would really rate it on a scale of zero to ten, I would rate it a 10. That doesn't mean I agree with what they are doing and they know very well that I don't.


CABRERA: With me to discuss where things stand after this summit, CNN political commentator Tara Setmayer and Steve Cortes. Tara is a former communications director for Republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher. And Steve is a former adviser to the Trump campaign.

So let me start with you, Steve. I want to show you the picture tweeted by German chancellor Angela Merkel's press secretary. It was apparently taken after and during negotiations. When you look at this picture, what do you see?

STEVE CORTES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I can't see the picture. Is it the one where Trump is seated and they are all kind of around him?

CABRERA: It is. Yes, indeed.

CORTES: OK. Yes. You know what I see? Quite honestly, it's somebody who knows that the globalist structure of diplomacy and global economy has been terrible for American workers. And that America has acted for far too long as though we don't hold the strong hand, whether it comes to trade deals, security deals. And so President Trump went up there, I think, in many ways -- look. He is a disrupter. He was elected to be a disrupter, a disrupter in Washington, D.C., a disrupter for the Davos crowd, which adores these G7 gatherings but has been in my view very detrimental to the safety and security and the prosperity of regular Americans. And he is disrupting their strategy. And that is true. And I get that. And I understand why Western Europe, for instance, which we have been effectively subsidizing for decades doesn't love President Trump.

CABRERA: But is it important to have good relationships with allies?

CORTES: Of course it is. But it's also time to assert our rights as America and as Americans to say that we, as the preeminent superpower in the world, who have been, again, subsidizing you, effectively, certainly through military structures but also through terrible trade agreements where we have agreed, unfortunately, to take the terrible end of bargains that should have never been agreed to, all of that is changing now.

We are hitting the reset button and saying, we want fair trade deals. We want a security situation where America doesn't shoulder everyone's burdens when they can afford to shoulder their own burdens, people like Western Europe and like NATO, like Japan.

So to me, this is exactly what he was elected to do. This is exactly the kind of populist uprising that propelled him into the oval office. And none of us should be surprised that he brought that idea and that attitude to Canada.

CABRERA: I want to put that picture back up. And Tara, let me ask you this question. Steve sort of brought it up. When you look at this picture, could you say it exemplifies that Trump voters wanted, someone who calls the shots, is willing to stand up to both enemies and allies?

TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, yes and no. I don't know that that picture personifies that. To me, it looks like he is being lectured like a child because he is behaving like one.

This is not how you treat your allies. I understand that there are legitimate concerns about trade deals and some things not being completely fair and wanting to renegotiate them. Fair point. But there's also -- there's more to it than just the dollars and cents behind, you know, the simplicity of just a trade deficit and obsessing over that. We have strategic alliances for a reason. And it goes beyond just trade deals. It also goes to defense and real national security.

When the President of the United States invokes section 232 of the -- of our trade act against Canada, that is absurd. That was not necessary. There is no national security interest in our steel and aluminum trading with Canada. The only -- there's only -- that's only been used twice. It's been used by Reagan against the Libyans when they were engaging in terrorist activity and with carter against the Iranians during the hostage crisis. So, why are we applying these bull in a China shop tactics to our

allies? He doesn't behave this way against our real enemies, like China and Russia. I mean, that's the problem that people have. If you want to have these kinds of negotiations, you don't take this kind of posture with our allies. It's unnecessary. It creates bad blood. And it's absurd to think that the relationship is at a ten. No, it's not.

[16:20:19] CABRERA: Well, after imposing the tariffs on steel and aluminum, on the allies, the President did throw this idea out today. No tariffs at all. Listen.


TRUMP: You want a tariff-free, you want no barriers, and you want no subsidies because you have some cases where countries are subsidizing industries and that's not fair. So you go tariff-free, you go barrier-free, you go subsidy. That's the way you learn at the Wharton School of finance. I mean, that would be the ultimate thing. Now, whether or not that works, but I did suggest it.


CABRERA: Steve is that realistic?

CORTES: I'm not sure it's realistic, but it still should be the goal and the goal that we work toward. And he is exactly right here, by the way, President Trump. The idea that we have had a free trade era is ridiculous. We have been in a trade war. This is a point I have tried to make over and over. We are in a trade war. Trump's not starting it. He is trying to end it and he is trying to end it on terms that are beneficial to American workers. So we have already had incredibly managed trade, incredibly unfair, un-reciprocal trade in this country, particularly with China but even with our allies and the President is saying enough. We hold the strong hand. We are the United States of America. The world needs us more than we need them. Let's negotiate and get to a point where we reduce trade barriers and hopefully at some point eliminate them.

Now, can we get to that goal? Probably not. That's probably a bit of economic nirvana. But the point is that what we should be progressing toward. And these multilateral lateral arrangements like the G7, like NATO, like the Paris agreement, like TTP, they were great for the Davos crowd. They don't work very grade for the Dayton, Ohio, crowd, who has elected Donald Trump.

SETMAYER: Here's the problem with this.

CABRERA: Can I -- I want you to respond, Tara. But before you do, let me just throw out a quick response from Senator Ben Sasse because he has been critical about Trump on this issue along with number of other Republican. But now he is applauding the latest rhetoric from the President and this idea of free trade. He says if the President is actually serious about leading the expansion of a G7 no tariff free trade agreement, that's tremendous. Tremendous news for the U.S. and the free nations of the world. I would happily carry his bag to every single meeting of those negotiations.

So do you think, Tara, there's something to this idea?

SETMAYER: Well, sure. Republicans have been free traders forever. But that's pie in the sky. Trump doesn't really mean this. He has been obsessed with the idea of tariffs and being isolationist for 30, 40 years. He has been griping about this because he looks at it as a zero sum game, it's either fair or unfair. And that's just impractical at this point.

I mean, yes, I would love to see that kind of free trade but that's not what's going to happen. He is throwing that out as a carrot here. What he is doing, though, is actually hurting the people, hurting workers in Dayton, hurting workers in Wisconsin, putting 25 percent tariffs and 10 percent tariffs on aluminum and steel is not going to have the long-term net effect that he claims. It's political to use so that people like Steve can use these kinds of political terms to make people think, oh, this is going to help the American worker.

But tell that to the regal-ware bake-ware company in Wisconsin that's had to lay people off and had to incur more costs because of these tariffs since July. Tell that to the people who are working on pipelines that have to -- that will lose their jobs because they can't get American steel because American steelworkers don't work it.

CABRERA: I hear what you are saying, Tara. But there's a steel company today that -- or this week, rather, that said they were hiring and actually bringing jobs back because of this move. So it does --


What happens is in directly in the steel and aluminum industries, it may create a couple of jobs, but the downstream jobs that it destroys is way bigger. We went through this already when George Bush did it. We've done this already. It doesn't work long-term.

CABRERA: I hear you. Guys, I have got to leave it there. Thank you.

CORTES: We are not creating a couple jobs. We are creating millions and millions of jobs.

SETMAYER: Not because of tariffs.

CABRERA: The chamber of commerce has said that there will be millions of jobs lost with implementing these tariffs.

Thank you very much, Steve Cortes and Tara Setmayer.

It's never simple. And there's never an easy answer, that's for sure.

President Trump, as he heads to Singapore, he chose to make an early exit from the G7. He is missing the discussion about the environment, about cleaning up the oceans, halting climate change. Is it too late for Australia's Great Barrier Reef? We will take you underwater for an up-close look at the desperate effort to save it. That's next.


[16:29:25] CABRERA: President Trump, who famously pulled down of the Paris climate accord, left the G7 summit early today just as America's allies are strategizing how to stop climate change and clean up the world's oceans.

The Great Barrier Reef is dying. Its survival could depend on these world leaders finding a solution, apparently without U.S. input.

Our Ivan Watson went scuba diving off the coast of Australia with the world's leading authority on this natural wonder of the world.


IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In aqua marine waters off the coast of Australia, there's a world so fantastic that words cannot do it justice. A sprawling marine habitat of coral reefs that's larger than Italy.

I'm at the Great Barrier Reef. It's one of the natural wonders of the world. And it's in trouble.

[16:30:20] CHARLIE VERON, GODFATHER OF CORAL: This is the beginning of a planetary catastrophe.

WATSON: Charlie Veron is the world's leading authority on the Great Barrier Reef. In a career spanning nearly half a century, he has discovered a quarter of the world's coral.

Do you still remember the first time you came out and saw some of this?

VERON: I will never forget the first time I did it. It made an immense impression on me. I was absolutely -- my life started.

WATSON: The 73-year-old godfather of coral gives me a guided tour. With a few short strokes, we dive into a vibrant underwater universe, a place where living coral, some of it centuries old, provides shelter and food for countless species of marine life.

But then Veron takes me to a nearby patch where the coral is dead as far as the eye can see. These coral forests cooked to death by record marine heat waves in 2016 and 2017.

VERON: It's about half of all the corals of the Great Barrier Reef, killed off.

WATSON: In just two years?

VERON: In just two years.

WATSON: Australia is now in a race to save what's left of the reef.

That's a sea turtle down there. Oh, my God.

In April, the government pledged around $400 million U.S. to come up with ways to protect it.

LINA BAY, SENIOR RESEARCH SCIENTIST: All our pilot studies are suggesting that it's all possible. Possible to help the reef help itself.

WATSON: Dr. Lina Bay is one of the scientists at a government research center trying to genetically engineer heat-resistant coral.

This is an example of plating coral from the Great Barrier Reef but born and bred here in the laboratory four years ago and you can see how much it's grown in that time.

Scientists are also experimenting with a kind of IVF treatment to boost reproduction in the wild. In this lab, they test what they call a sun shield, thinner than a human hair, it could theoretically protect coral from the sun. This inventor demonstrates a submersible drone called the ranger bot.

MATT DUNBABIN, RANGERBOT INVENTOR: When we press start the mission, it's all by itself.

WATSON: Guided by artificial intelligence, it's designed to one day patrol the reef and protect the coral from predators. So far, these are just pilot projects that could get funding from the government's new reef protection program.

BAY: There are still options available to us if we start looking at it now. We just can't wait 20 years and then start thinking about this.

WATSON: Can $400 million save this reef?


WATSON: Why not?

VERON: Because the water is warming.

WATSON: Research shows record heat is killing coral at an increasingly frequent rate all across the planet. Australia alone cannot stop global warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Scientists here warn unless that changes, this incredible reef stands little chance of surviving.

Ivan Watson, CNN, on the Great Barrier Reef.


CABRERA: Coming up, we remember the life and legacy of CNN friend and colleague, Anthony Bourdain. We will speak to one of his close friends, chef Daniel Boulud, who knew and worked with him for years.


[16:37:08] CABRERA: As you most likely know, we lost a member of our CNN family this week, Anthony Bourdain. Every weekend, he took us with him to a new part of the world to "PARTS UNKNOWN."

Having had the pleasure to sit down with him a number of times, it was striking to me what a magnetic personality he had. I would describe him to friends and family as such a cool cat. His talent as a chef, a storyteller, as a journalist, was obvious and in his show. You saw not just his passion and curiosity for food and cooking but for people as well. He truly believed we should walk in others' shoes.

And he had a way of helping us do that, of making the world feel smaller, a way of shaking up what's familiar and comfortable to help us consider someone else's experience and perspective. He once said, a willingness to eat and drink with people without fear and prejudice, they open up to you in ways that somebody visiting who is driven by a story may not get.

One thing that stands out about the conversations I had with Tony is he never talked about himself or the impact he had on people. It was always about the impact a place and people had on him. And here are a few times that came through, beginning with a behind the scenes moment before one of our interviews.


CABRERA: How long have you guys known each other?

ANTHONY BOURDAIN, CNN HOST, PARTS UNKNOWN: Since we started working on the project. I do love him, of course.

CABRERA: Yes. Because I know -- I don't want to talk too much before we get going, but I would have thought that you guys, like, go way back or something.

BOURDAIN: Oh, I never moved in the same circles or the same level, frankly.


BOURDAIN: That's -- that's just a fact.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. He is the number one cool guy. I was never that cool.

CABRERA: OK, some shotgun style. Here we go. Eight episodes.


CABRERA: Well, you start this episode right here at home. We are so used to seeing you in far flung, exotic places, but this extended episode to kick off the season is in West Virginia. Why West Virginia? And why now?

BOURDAIN: You know, I have -- I'm a New Yorker with a lot of the sort of prejudices and expected political beliefs of a born and bred New Yorker. More and more, I find myself excited and inspired and in many ways comforted and definitely fascinated by those parts of the country that are just very, very different than the country I grew up in. I can't say enough how kind people were to me.

For a New York lefty, I was really greeted and welcomed and inspired by some really, really great people who, you know, maybe they're coming from a very different place than me, but I really felt really moved by this experience.

[16:40:24] CABRERA: Let's talk about Queens. You ate Chinese dumplings, Korean food in flushing, you had (INAUDIBLE) in Jackson heights, Spanish food in the Rock ways, Jamaican patties at (INAUDIBLE). I mean, this all within Queens. Which neighborhood had the best food?

BOURDAIN: Sunnyside and I love the Chinese and Korean neighborhoods. It's so much better than Manhattan's Chinatown.

CABRERA: Really?

BOURDAIN: It's just spectacular out there.

CABRERA: So for somebody who has never had Korean food, what's the one thing they have to try?

BOURDAIN: Well, start, you know, put your toe in the water with Korean barbecue because that's pretty accessible. But where you want to be is you want to get to the point that you love kimchi as much as I do.

CABRERA: Sam Sebastian Spain is actually one of my favorite places I have ever been in.

BOURDAIN: Me too. Pound for pound, that region in my experience might have the best or the highest concentration of great food of anywhere on earth. It's absolutely -- they're food crazy. They demand absolutely the best ingredients. And it's one of the most exciting places to eat in the world, and it's one of those shows I did because I could and because I knew it would be fun. Any excuse to go to San Sebastian or Basque territory is a good one.

CABRERA: And Antarctica is not exactly a place that has all the staples you typically visit culture, people, restaurant. So why did you choose Antarctica?

BOURDAIN: Well, first, I wanted to see the last, you know, unspoiled continent on earth. The South Pole was pretty amazing, like living in outer space in a lot of ways. Maybe colder. One of the most incredible experiences of my life.

CABRERA: Bhutan.


CABRERA: A remote kingdom in the Himalayas.

BOURDAIN: Bhutan is sort of the storybook enchanted kingdom in the Himalayas that not many people have been to and, you know, few people know much about it. They are statistically claimed to be very, very happy.

CABRERA: What makes them so happy?

BOURDAIN: Maybe that they have been protected from the outside world.

CABRERA: And as a father, I know, you know, this takes away a lot of the time that you could be spending with your family. Why did you do it? Why do you do these shows?

BOURDAIN: You know, I came back from a long trip about a year ago, and I went to my daughter and I said, honey, you know, I'm tired and it really bothers me that I'm not spending more time with you. I'm really thinking maybe after this year, I'm really thinking about giving it up. She burst into tears. She said, no, daddy, your job is so interesting. What do I tell my friends?

CABRERA: Every season with you is an adventure.

BOURDAIN: It's a mix.

CABRERA: It never gets old. Thank you so much, Tony.

BOURDAIN: My pleasure. It was fun.


CABRERA: Tony was just 61 years old when he took his own life. If you know someone who is struggling with thoughts of self-harm, please call the number on your screen. Encourage them to call that number, the suicide prevention hotline. There are people that want to talk with you.

Do not think this world will be a better place without you. It is certainly not better without Anthony Bourdain.

Let's talk to someone else who was thinking about his friend Tony today. I want to bring in renowned chef Daniel Boulud.

Daniel, thank you for taking the time. I know this can't be easy for you today. You and Tony were close.


CABRERA: Hello. I understand you've also been in touch with the friend and the fellow chef who found Bourdain unresponsive in France on Friday morning, Eric Ripert. What did he tell you?

BOULUD: Well, Tony was a friend, but he was a friend of the chef community around the world. I think Tony has touched so many people. He was a force of nature. And he was certainly the only authority who could talk about any kind of food from the three star chef to the streetcar cooks. He could really relate to everything. And the food had to speak to him in order for him to be able to feel engaged.

And I had chances to experience Tony in front of me eating food and understanding who Tony is, and how, you know, he started as a chef and he knew every twist and every rope and every move to do in the kitchen. And he could tell right away a chef, a cook, even a home cook, how good they were from -- and how authentic they were.

I think he loved tradition. He loved culture. He tried to search in the world everywhere, you know, what could give him something -- who could give him something new he didn't have yet.

[16:45:15] CABRERA: Yes. He always, in our interviews, and talks, would talk about the simple foods and the joy he got in eating the simplest cuisine as well as the exotic cuisine.

And as you mentioned, I mean, you were friends with him. He made friends with people so easily, it seemed. And sadly, it was his best friend or someone who considered him their best friend, another chef, Eric Ripert, who found him on Friday. You talked with Eric, I understand. How's he doing?

BOULUD: Eric is fine. I think Eric just wanted to come back home and be with his family and you know -- and find peace. I think we are so emotionally disturbed by what happened. But I think we all want to make sure that we can honor Tony the best way possible and for decades to come, for what he did for our industry, for who we represent, chef in this industry.

I think Eric will speak one day and be able to tell wonderful things also about Tony. I mean, we had occasion to spend time together in the Cayman for the food and wine festival there, which was a tradition for Tony to go to that festival every year in the Cayman with Eric and Jose Andres and many other chefs and friends. And it was always an intimate moment with Tony. And a moment where tony and Eric could, you know, kind of challenge each other, challenge each other in cooking or in conversation or playing as well. Tony was such a bon vivant but he always wanted to be surrounded by people who spoke loud to him about their passion, I think.

CABRERA: He is always so pumped when he gets to have a friend in his episodes of "Parts Unknown" and you were in one of those episodes, the one in Lyon, France, where he visited with you and your family in your hometown. Let's play a quick clip.


BOULUD: I mean, Tony wanted --

BOURDAIN: Meeting Daniel's dad, one begins to understand the roots of his perfectionism. His mom, dad, wife, Catherine, and Daniel collaborate. With some debate. On a super old school farmhouse classic, the sort of thing that good times, bad times, a family could make with stuff that's always readily available on the farm.


CABRERA: Daniel, I know you knew tony as a chef very well, but this time, you got to see him in his element as a storyteller. What was it like to see him in that role? BOULUD: Well, when he asked me to do Lyon with him, I right away

thought of the greatest chef of Lyon. And yes, of course, he wanted to be with barbecues and share a moment with them and we had amazing meal there. But he also wanted to go through the school where I grew up and eat the food of the kids of the cafeteria of the school where I grew up in my small village outside of Lyon. And that was, to me, the most touching moment. Then he wanted to go and see what my mother cook and my parents cook, and so we had dinner at home, and all these show how much Tony was not about just the glamorous side of cooking. It was just about the authenticity in people's life with food.

CABRERA: No doubt about it. Well, Daniel Boulud, thank you very much for joining us.

BOULUD: We miss him.

CABRERA: For sharing your memories.

BOULUD: We miss him greatly, and pray for him.

CABRERA: Absolutely. For him and his family and his loved ones and friends. Again, thank you.

BOULUD: His daughter and his family, absolutely. Very sad.

CABRERA: Yes. There was nobody like Anthony Bourdain. There was no show like "PARTS UNKNOWN." CNN pays tribute to Bourdain with a special night of episodes. It begins tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern only on CNN.

We will be right back.


[16:54:19] CABRERA: Meghan Markle had a big moment today, the new duchess of Sussex looking relaxed as she made her first royal balcony appearance in Buckingham palace.

CNN's Nina Dos Santos was there in London.

NINA DOS SANTOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Meghan Markle took part in her first major royal engagement just three weeks after tying the knot with her new husband, Prince Harry. This ceremony was the trooping of the colors.

Since 1748, the UK monarchs can have the chance of having two birthday celebrations, one unofficial and one official. Well, the Queen turned 92 back in April, but this was the official ceremony to mark her birthday. The so-called trooping of the color is actual an opportunity for the sovereign to inspect her troops. More than a thousand soldiers took part in this event, 200 expert cavalrymen and about 400 soldiers as part of the marching band as well.

One of the highlights of the day was when the royal family gathered upon the balcony of Buckingham palace to wave to the crowd but also to inspect the fly-by of Lancaster bombers, helicopters, fighter jets, and also those famous RAF red arrows, as they flew by with the characteristic trails of red, white, and blue smoke.

Just as there was one new member of the royal family present at these celebrations in the form of the new duchess of Sussex, there was also somebody else who was notably absent. The Queen traveled back and forth on her own because the duke of Edinburgh who will turned 97 on Sunday has retired from royal duties.

Nina Dos Santos, CNN, outside Buckingham palace in London.

[16:55:56] CABRERA: Coming up, President Trump says his relationship with some of America's allies is at a ten. He calls reports of fights with allies, fake news. But how do they see it? That's ahead.