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[19:01:15] ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. 7:00 eastern here.
President Trump right now on the world stage. It is 12 hours forward in South Korea and North Korea where he is having the summit in Singapore. He is about to become the first U.S. President to shake hands with any North Korean leader, aged right now we have no way to predict what will happen because there is absolutely no precedent for what we have just witnessed over the last 24 hours following the G7 summit.
The economic world order being offended and what you are about to watch is two top White House advisers attacking one of the United States' closest allies, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau this morning.
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LARRY KUDLOW, CHIEF ECONOMIC ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: He really kind of stabbed us in the back. He really actually, you know what, he did a great disservice to the whole G7. He betrayed.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Trudeau did.
KUDLOW: Yes, he did, because they were united in the G7. They came together.
PETER NAVARRO, WHITE HOUSE TRADE ADVISER: There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stop him in the back on the way out the door. And that's what bad faith Justin Trudeau did with that stunt press conference. That's what weak dishonest Justin Trudeau did and that comes right from air force one.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: Probably wondering how we got here. Let's start from the beginning. Yesterday. The next clip is President Trump shortly before he left the G7 summit denying reports that his relationship with U.S. allies is anything less than perfect.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The relationship that I have had with the people, the leaders of these countries, has been I would really rate it on a scale of zero to 10, I would rate it a 10.
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CABRERA: Minutes later President Trump hopped on his plane and headed to Singapore. And then Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau came out and said this about retaliatory tariffs.
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JUSTIN TRUDEAU, CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER: I have made it very clear to the President that it is not something we relish doing, but it is something that we absolutely will do, because Canadians are polite, we are reasonable, but we also will not be pushed around.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: And, again, the President who just earlier said this.
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TRUMP: On a scale of zero to 10, I would rate it a 10.
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CABRERA: Began furiously tweeting from air force one. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that U.S. tariffs were kind of insulting, and he will not be pushed around. Very dishonest and weak. Our tariffs are in response to his of 270 percent on dairy.
So in retrospect this picture of negotiations seems to have been a lot more telling about the state of the U.S. relationship with allies than the President originally led on. The President who again had advisers reinforcing his attacks on Canada.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NAVARRO: There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donnell J. Trump, and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: Again, these unprecedented attacks on a U.S. ally are happening on the eve of a historic meeting that could be the difference between nuclear war and peace. Right now President Trump and Kim Jong-un are both in Singapore putting these two leaders who just a few months ago were calling each other little rocket man and a doter just a couple of blocks apart as we speak. Take a look. These are their hotels just half a mile from each other.
CNN senior White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny live in Singapore and CNN's diplomatic correspondent Michelle Kosinski is live in our nation's capital.
So Jeff, let me start to you. It's hard to overstate the chaos playing out right now on the eve of this meeting. What impact could it have?
[19:05:12] JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: No question. I mean, this is an extraordinary series of events over the weekend, the President and his advisers talking in this language about close U.S. allies. It's something that we have not heard before but it does frame the mindset of the President as he is waking up here this morning. It is morning here in Singapore. The sun is rising.
And you are right. Kim Jong-un and President Trump finally in the same city at the same time. A little over 24 hours or so away from their meeting. Now the President certainly I'm hesitant playing hardball with the U.S. allies, no question. So that is one thing the White House is trying to send a signal to Kim Jong-un perhaps who watches every move the President makes exactly what his mindset is going into this. If he can be a rough on U.S. friend, how can he be on U.S. friends how can he be on U.S. foes?
But when we saw the President speaking over the weekend specifically about how he wants to use his personal relationship and his art of the deal-making style to sit down with Kim Jong-un, this is what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I think within the first minute I will know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How?
TRUMP: Just my touch, my feel. That's what I do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZELENY: So I can tell you, Ana, the city is alive with anticipation for this meeting.
The morning newspaper here has just come out this (INAUDIBLE), "road to Singapore" here with a drawing of Kim Jong-un and President Trump. So certainly this is going to be, you know, focusing entirely on the President's ask and demands of North Korea, even as the controversy at the G7 will be waiting for the President. This certainly isn't going away. President Trump is going to be meeting with the Singapore prime minister who is essentially hosting these world leaders here. And then he will be planning all day with his aides before that big summit here tomorrow -- Ana.
CABRERA: Thank you, Jeff.
Michelle, these attacks against an ally as close as the U.S. and Canada are unprecedented. How are other G7 allies reacting? MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN SENIOR DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT: With shock, I
think in a word, but there have been some statements today from French President Emanuel macron, international cooperation cannot be dictated by fits of anger and throw away remarks.
And from German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The withdrawal so to speak via tweet is, of course, sobering and a bit depressing.
She is referring to the U.S. not signing on to the statement of G7 which is normally what would happen. And also, the French government put out a statement today too saying international cooperation can't depend on anger and small words. Let's be serious and worthy of our people.
So I think as we are looking at this and debating why the President and his aides would go to route, you know, you could say perhaps that is there some kind of show of toughness going into this Kim Jong-un meeting? Is the President trying to convey something like, you know, he is willing to do what it takes to get what he wants, but then you have to look at that press conference from the President yesterday where he seemed to react emotionally and very personally to a question that he called fake news even though it was demonstrably true then and is even more real now. It just seemed like a very personal reaction.
Is that a conveyance of strength? And is the way in which he decided to do this with the name-calling and the tweets, and by the way, these are names that he called and descriptions of the Canadian prime minister that this administration has never used for the likes of say Vladimir Putin, is that really showing strength or as some would put it is this just a weakness and taking things personally when it's not really necessary or potentially productive, Ana.
CABRERA: All right. Michelle Kosinski and Jeff Zeleny, thank you both.
President Trump told reporters that he just needs a few seconds with Kim Jong-un to know if the North Korean leader is serious about making peace. The words he used, it's my touch, my feel. That's what I do.
But after the pleasantries on Tuesday officials are concerned about just how much trust any promises ordeals made by Kim Jong-un.
CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr is joining us now.
Barbara, North Korea has a history of going back on its word. It got to be in the lot of minds heading into these negotiations.
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely. You know, the President thinks he may need just a moment or two. But I can tell you that the U.S. intelligence community want a lot more than that because after all the showmanship, after all the drama and stagecraft, it is really boiling down to this.
What will Kim Jong-un be willing to give up? And will he be willing to tell Donald Trump the full scope of his nuclear program? (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
[19:10:08] STARR (voice-over): Cameras captured the moments North Korea said it blew up underground test tunnels. Satellite imagery shows another test site appearing to be dismantled. Was this the beginning of Kim getting rid of his nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that could hit the U.S., or was it all for show? President Trump demanding denuclearization.
TRUMP: It means they get rid of their nukes, very simple. They get rid of their nukes and nobody else would say it.
STARR: Dismantling ballistic missiles is one thing, but there is no guarantee Kim Jong-un will tell Donald Trump his nuclear secrets, including covert sites buried deep in mountains.
TONY BLINKEN, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: What's even more important is this vast complex they have in place spread throughout the country that's able by current estimates to produce enough material for six to seven nuclear weapons every year. Getting a grip on that, the entire supply chain that feeds that complex.
RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Mr. General Secretary, those my pronunciation may give you difficulty, the maxim is (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE), trust by verify.
STARR: Thirty years after Ronald Reagan and the Soviets, it's still complicated. Just one example. Kim's nuclear warheads may be so unstable they can't be moved.
DAVID ALBRIGHT, INSTITUTE FOR SCIENCE AND INTERNATIONAL SECURITY: We don't know the safety margins that North Korea uses. I mean, nuclear weapons involve a lot of high explosives, at least the ones the North Koreans are building. And I'm not sure I would want to see that put on an American ship or plane.
STARR: But if there is an agreement, first, North Korea would have to declare both known and secret locations and its inventories of ballistic missiles, nuclear warheads and plutonium and uranium. Weapons and equipment would have to be disabled or destroyed. Experts envision international inspectors on the ground plus U.S. satellites and aircraft overhead keeping secret watch. Those international nuclear inspectors already are getting ready.
YUKUYA ARMANO, IAEA DIRECTOR GENERAL: We will be ready to act promptly and play an essential role in verifying North Korea's nuclear program if an agreement is reached.
STARR: Defense secretary James Mattis is already predicting that all of this could be in his words a bumpy road -- Ana.
CABRERA: Barbara Starr at the Pentagon. Thank you.
My next guest has high hopes for the summit. We I talk with Australia's former prime minister about whether he feels that way, that optimism, after what has happened at the G7 after a quick break.
[19:16:56] CABRERA: On the eve of this historic summit in Singapore, I want to bring in Australia's former prime minister Kevin Rudd. He is now the President of the Asia society policy institute.
Mr. Rudd, thank you for being with us. A few days ago you expressed some cautious optimism about this planned summit in Singapore. Let me show our viewers what you wrote on twitter.
The U.S. is heading in the right direction on the North Korean summit but much hinges on how denuclearization is define.
And you said to CNBC let's see what falls out of Trump owes shake the tree policy.
So now, after seeing what has fallen out of that shake the tree policy at the G7, do you still have high hopes?
KEVIN RUDD, FORMER AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER: I think we ought to look at these two meetings in different contexts. Kim Jong-un is vastly different from having a spat with Justin Trudeau. From a geopolitical point of view, geo-economic point of view the only two countries happy with the G7 outcome will be Russia and China. Now, the Russians will be happy because Trump said they should be able to rejoin the G7.
The Chinese will be happy because essentially you have China now lining up with America's major allies against the United States on international trade policy and both Russia and China will be happy to have seen this great fracturing occurring at the Canadian summit.
But traveling to Singapore I think it's a different box of tricks and let's see what happens. As I said on our last discussion, Trump's approach is shake the tree and see what falls out of it in terms of denuclearization, and we are still 24, 36 hours away from seeing how that unfolds.
CABRERA: I don't have to remind you the first international quarrel President Trump started was with Australia just eight days into his presidency. He had that contentious phone call with Malcolm Turnbull. Did you think then that the Trump administration was maybe different than what you were used to?
RUDD: The bottom line is President Trump is not from the classical diplomatic or political playbook. No one in the United States predicted he would be elected President and no one in the international diplomatic community, including myself, predicted that he would become President.
But he is. And as I keep saying to folks around the world it is what it is. We just have to live with it. None of us expected that he would unilaterally announce his preparedness to have a summit with Kim Jong-un. That was a departure from the classic American playbook which sets up a whole lot of preconditions first. But now that it's happening, I think what we have got to be attentive
to in the 36 hours ahead is how they define four key leaders, CVIB, comprehensive, verifiable, irreversible dismantling of North Korea's nuclear capability. And I think the one encouraging thing so far, which has emerged in the last several days, perhaps several weeks, is the emerging American language that this will not just take a single meeting. It will take a series of meetings over time. That I think reflects the reality.
CABRERA: So you think they are going into this level-headed. I'm curious what you think about what the President has said about his preparation about the importance of attitude and sort of feeling out Kim Jong-un, and when he says he'll be able to know whether Kim Jong- un is serious in the first few seconds.
[19:20:21] RUDD: Well, again, that's uniquely President Trump. I don't know about the political leaders internationally which would take that view, but President Trump, as I've said on your program before, is not a graduate of the Georgetown school of international diplomacy. He is a gut instinct politician. And he will form a judgment about whether he can do business with Kim Jong-un.
So my overall approach to this is, I think all fair-mined people would have this view, that lets give this diplomacy a shot. Let's see what happens and see whether in fact a basis for at least stage one trust can be built and then the professional negotiators and diplomats take over on what will be an exhausting process of working out each element of the North Korean nuclear supply chain, the research capabilities, the rocket forces, the intercontinental, short range and medium range and then the already accumulated stockpile of 60 or so nuclear weapons. That will come as the meet in the summit at subsequent meetings.
CABRERA: Kevin Rudd, we appreciate your expertise and your perspective. We will talk to you on the back side of this summit, I sure hope.
RUDD: Good to be with you.
CABRERA: Good have to you.
Coming up, all eyes on Singapore as Trump and Kim Jong-un prepare for their historic summit tomorrow. What should the President know before going into this meeting? We'll bring you the weekend Presidential brief next.
It's daylight on Monday morning in Singapore as we give you the live pictures.
We are back in a moment.
[19:26:19] CABRERA: It has been a contentious couple of days for President Trump's diplomacy after what happened at the G7 summit, a spat between U.S. and Canada all happening just before Trump meets with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore. And you can be sure Kim and his delegation have been watching this rift and Trump's behavior closely as they prepare.
Right now, Trump and Kim are both in Singapore staying at hotels about half a mile away from each other. They are set to meet in about 24 hours from now. And that brings us to your weekend Presidential brief, a segment we bring to you every Sunday night highlighting some of the most pressing national security information the President will need when he wakes up tomorrow.
And joining us now is CNN national security analyst and former National Security Council adviser Sam Vinograd. She spent two years in the Obama administration helping to prep for the President's daily brief.
So Trump obviously had a rough time at the G7 summit or at least following the summit. He has also talked sort of downplaying his preparations talking very lightly about the preparations. What do you see is the impacts of all of this?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, I think going into the summit, we just have to be honest. And it isn't a level playing field. Kim knows a lot about Trump than Trump knows about Kim. We have very limited intelligence on Kim Jong-un. But President Trump wears his heart on his twitter sleeve so I think Kim knows what makes the President upset and what makes him happy. And Ana, Kim also knows the President has a disastrous time in Canada. So Kim may think that President Trump is over eager for a win, however we define that in Singapore.
CABRERA: What do you think Kim will use as tactics on this face-to- face?
VINOGRAD: I think he is going to rely on body language in the first instance. How Kim Jong-un and President Trump greet each other is going to be really key here. They could say hello. They could have a handshake. Or they could hug it out. And I think Kim is going to go in for the hug because he wants to be seen as literally embracing.
President Trump, he also knows as President made a statement about how he is going to seize up Kim the first minute based on the feeling. So Kim could just packed in a lot of really nice sayings in the first minute that they are together. And Kim also knows the President has this weird obsession with size, the size of crowd, and these superlative he uses to describe his accomplishments. So I would expect Kim to make some literally and figuratively big gestures that the President can say he did things bigger and better than anyone else.
CABRERA: And we have talked about the President's preparation, we talk -- talking about, you know, the attitude being a big part of this.
But Kim, as you point out, has been preparing. He sent Kim Yong-Chol (ph) his (INAUDIBLE) to Washington to meet with the President where he delivered that huge envelop, a letter from Kim. How much do you think the North Korean leader is relying on an
adviser, Kim and his intel community?
VINOGRAD: I think probably a lot. And if I was Kim's intelligence service, I would be telling him to rely on PSYOP (ph) or psychological operations with President Trump. It is no secret that President Trump like flattering. He likes compliment. And that is why we have seen leaders like President Putin compliment the President to really get into his mind and to manipulate him. So Kim could use flattering to try to throw the President off-guard. And Kim could also try to bond over deep states. Kim is really paranoid about internal threats. And if just looks at the President's twitter feeds, the spygates, witch- hunt, 13 angry Democrats, he may think that deep states may provide common ground.
CABRERA: Well, we will see and know soon enough.
VINOGRAD: Here we go.
CABRERA: Thank you, Sam Vinograd. Good to have you on.
As the President and his allies bash one of America's closest ally, Canada. We will ask Mr. Wonderful from the hit show "Shrank Tank" what he thinks about this interaction next.
[19:34:16] CABRERA: He is a reality TV star, wealthy investor and even former conservative populist candidate for prime minister. No wonder Kevin O'Leary has been called Canada's Donald Trump. But you probably know him best as Mr. Wonderful from the hit show "Shark Tank."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He made be a greedy savage but you may make a big mistake.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not worried about it. If I decide to go in on this, can I do it myself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what are you doing?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will make you an offer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then I may have to bid you up. I will make you pay more. I'm telling you
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not afraid.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't mess with Mr. Wonderful.
CABRERA: Mr. Wonderful himself, Kevin O'Leary is joining us live from Toronto. Kevin, thank you for joining us. I want you to hear to what President
Trump's chief economic adviser Larry Kudlow said this morning about Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in the wake of that G7 meeting.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
[19:35:12] He was polarizing. You know, here is the thing. I mean, he really kind of stabbed us in the back. He really actually you know what, he did a great disservice to the whole G7. It was --
TAPPER: Trudeau did?
KUDLOW: Yes, he did.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: As a Canadian, what's your reaction to hearing that from the U.S. administration?
KEVIN O'LEARY, SHARK INVESTOR ON ABC'S SHARK TANK: I know Larry Kudlow very well and we have known each other for a long time. And Kudlow called out Trudeau in a rather difficult situation. You have got to understand the politics of Canada. In Canada supply-side management which is the dairy industry is very important. That's a protected industry. It has tariffs as high as 300 percent of dairy coming in from the U.S., for example, milk powder out of Wisconsin can't come into Ontario or Quebec. And so there's 78 seats out of the 338 seats in Canadian politics that are now sequestered in Quebec.
Trudeau is just doing what any politician would do. He is trying to protect his outcome in 16 months when he goes to a federal election. He doesn't care what Kudlow is saying. He is saying I got to protect myself. I have got to survive. He is protecting himself in front of what he has been called out on.
Trump came up to Canada and said you have got to give up the protectionist 300 percent on dairy products and Trudeau is saying no, I want to be reelected.
This is nasty, nasty politics. And Trudeau has big problems because on Thursday while the G7 was going on, his party goes decimated in the Ontario elections, one of the provinces in Canada, where it was such a bad outcome that they lost political status, wiped out. So this is --
CABRERA: What you're saying --
O'LEARY: This is a big forerunner from him.
CABRERA: So what I'm hearing you saying what Trudeau is saying is sort of politics as usual. You see the administration spinning it to their favor, whatever the interactions are. And yet you have the American President who is calling out in a very public way an American ally. Are you surprised to have this spat so public? Does it benefit either of them really?
O'LEARY: No. It's really remarkable because Trudeau's administration, the liberal government in Canada, did not see Trump coming. They didn't assume he would win. And in January when he lowered corporate taxes to 21 percent and reduced the capital cost allowance, in other words, accelerated capital cost reductions to 12 months, it wiped out Canada's foreign capital.
In other words, in Canada in the last two years, foreign investments dropped by 52 percent because Trump made America a much more favorable place to address capital. So this week, Kinder Morgan pulled out of Canada. Shell pulled out of Canada. Conoco Phillips pulled out of Canada.
Billions of dollars are leaving, Trump knows this and he has got a big problem on his hands. Canada is not competitive anymore of what the Canadian did in side-swing the Canadian tax legislation. Canada used to be the lowest cost of capital of North America. Now, it's the most expensive personal tax, the highest federal tax and it is the only federal carbon tax in North America. And all of a sudden Trump has to just come up here and say, look, I want to wipe you out on supply-side management on dairy.
This is horrible for Trudeau. And he is doing the right thing. He is trying to survive. And it's not looking good right now. But he is got to do what he has got to do. People should not misunderstand what he is trying to do. Any politician understands politics is local, and he's getting smeared now. He is getting wiped out by capital leaving Canada by the billions.
CABRERA: So, if you were Trudeau, would you have said the very same thing as he did after this G7 summit?
O'LEARY: You know, Trudeau is in a horrible place right now. He didn't see this happening, and you have got to understand, this week on June 7th his party got annihilated in the most populace province in the country. He didn't see that coming. He is negotiating the G7 while his party gets wiped off the map in Ontario.
I think he's in a difficult place. If I were him and, you know, you have got to understand he has got to represent Canada. The dairy --
CABRERA: Sounds like that's what he's doing. I mean, as you point out.
O'LEARY: But the dairy -- the dairy industry is a fraction of what manufacturing and aluminum and steel is, and yet it's worth 78 seats out of 338. So he is in a horrible situation. He knows dairy isn't worth anything economically, but he will lose his base in Quebec which is where he got elected. So Quebec is the Florida of Canada. It determines the outcome of the election. It's just like Florida, just how Trump got elected. He can't lose his 78 seats there and that's all about dairy farmers, but they are a fraction of the economy.
I think right now the liberal party is scratching their head saying what the hell happened this weekend. It's not good, but I think -- think about this. Canada and the United States are the biggest trading partners. Thirty-eight states and Canada representing the largest economies of each other. We have got to work this thing out, but Trump has been very disruptive this weekend in Canada and caused chaos here.
[19:40:33] CABRERA: Kevin O'Leary, thanks so much for joining us.
CABRERA: It has been three days since the world lost Anthony Bourdain. Up next we will talk to one chef who got to travel with Tony.
[19:45:11] CABRERA: Fans and admirers all over the world are mourning the death of celebrity chef, author and host Anthony Bourdain. Chef Andy Ricker knew Bourdain as a fellow foodie and fellow traveler. He tweeted this picture of himself with the "PARTS UNKNOWN" host shortly after learning of Bourdain's death. It shows a picture of the two of them sharing a meal in Thailand. It reads rest in peace, Uncle Tony. It was your world. We just lived in it.
Chef Andy Ricker is joining me now from Thailand.
Andy, it's sad to have these circumstances for us to speak. I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. What did you mean in that tweet saying it was your world, we just lived in it?
ANDY RICKER, CHEF/OWNER, POK POK ENTERPRISES: Well, Anthony Bourdain was somebody who came from the world that I came from, the kitchen of the '70s and '80s, and he kind of broke out of that. He wrote this iconic book that shed a light on what happened in the kitchen and then he went from there and created this career for himself where he basically had this world that he lived in. He brought it to us. He shared it with us. And as outside observers and some of us who were lucky enough to be inside that whole process, it really was a whole world that you could watch from your TV set.
CABRERA: No doubt about it. You, I know, contacted Bourdain to ask for some help on a book you were writing. You mentioned what you thought about his book and now that kind of helped launch his career, so naturally you would reach out to somebody like that, but he had another idea, right?
RICKER: Yes. He -- I said would you mind, you know, maybe coming or having a meal with me sometime in Thailand at one of these roadside drinking stalls. I was working on a book about the drinking food in Thailand. And he said sure, why don't we just make an episode out of it, and that's how the "PARTS UNKNOWN, Thailand" came about.
CABRERA: What was it like to travel with him?
RICKER: Traveling with Tony was great. I mean, he really -- he was very, very comfortable in any situation. One thing that was really -- I don't know if people who watched the TV show know this, but he really was pretty much the same on camera as he was off camera. What you saw was what you got. He was very genuine. Very real. He spoke off the cuff. There wasn't any rehearsal about the things that he said. You know, everything that he conveyed on camera was something that just came directly from him, from his heart, from his mind. There wasn't -- there was no scripting.
CABRERA: You have called him a champion of people like you. Explain.
RICKER: In the food world, a lot of us refer to Tony as Uncle Tony. He's kind of like the patron saint of chefs and cooks and travelers. And, you know, it just really -- he was a champion for the people who he came from, for the cooks, and more importantly than that he was a champion for the folks who didn't have a voice, like the immigrant cooks, restaurateurs in the United States and all over the world. And I think that that was an incredibly important service.
CABRERA: That's part of what he brought us through his show through "PARTS UNKNOWN," the opportunity for us to see from a different perspective, to learn about cultures and food and people that we may not have a direct connection with or be able to meet in person. Do you have a favorite memory of Tony?
RICKER: I think probably my favorite moment that I can remember would have been here in Shangmi just traveling around in a little tuck-tuck. And while we are shooting this episode for "PARTS UNKNOWN" and just, you know, we had a quiet sort of -- I mean, as quiet can be on the back of a tuck-tuck, just a personal conversation, you know, where we both kind of told each other where we were at in our life. And you know, I shared with him that I was, you know, wanting to be here living in Shangmi full time and that, you know, I saw my life her. And he told me about how he was happy about his life at the time, a daughter that he loved and family that he adored and this incredible career that he had. He woke up every day, you know, thankful for what he had.
CABRERA: So sad to know where it ended.
Thank you, Andy Ricker, for sharing with us.
RICKER: Thanks for having me.
[19:50:01] CABRERA: We'll be right back.
[19:54:31] CABRERA: President Trump now just a day away from a historic face to face summit with North Korea's Kim Jong-un. Fareed Zakaria takes a closer look at the risk of leaving those nukes in Kim's hands.
FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, FAREED ZAKARIA GPS (voice-over): There is just one reason North Korea now stands at the center of the world stage. The penniless, isolated, totalitarian state could start a nuclear war.
[19:55:03] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would explode quickly.
ZAKARIA: A deadly scenario haunts the greatest military minds. Two unpredictable nuclear armed leaders. Just one terrible mistake. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is just crazy enough from my perspective and
unpredictable enough that he might use those weapons.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The scenarios I worry about are not ones where leaders deliberately choose to start a nuclear war but it is where they stumble into one through incompetence or shear miscalculation.
CABRERA: I asked Fareed what he thinks North Korea is hoping to gain from the summit.
ZAKARIA: First of all, let's understand why they are doing it. They have achieved what they wanted to which is robust, nuclear deterrent. They have probably 60 nuclear bombs. They have intercontinental ballistic missiles. They can pretty much reach any corner of the earth right now. So from that position they are now saying now we are willing to talk and we are willing to talk about freezes and test bans and historically what they have meant by denuclearization is the following.
Well, let's denuclearize the entire Korean peninsula. By which, we mean, you get rid of the nuclear guarantee to South Korea which the United States always had because it's always wanted to protect South Korea and Japan. If you get rid of that nuclear guarantee, if you end the alliance, if you withdraw 30,000 American troops from South Korea, maybe the American troops from Osaka in Japan, then we won't feel threatened and we will give up our nukes. So you have got -- understand what they mean by that term. It's, of course, we mean something very different.
ZAKARIA: As I say, it's very, very puzzling that Donald Trump has signaled so often that he believes that this is going to be a great success. I mean, he should re-read "the art of the deal." You know, there are people say that while he wrote the book he hasn't actually read it. The co-author of the book makes that point. But it says in that, you know, the big rookie mistake you can make is wanting the deal too much, wanting the success of the negotiation too much.
ZAKARIA: And that seems to be the situation he is in right now.
CABRERA: Although "the art of the deal" there's something in there I recall walking away, being willing to walk away.
Fareed, I have to ask, though, a lot of people have said just taking this and having this summit is giving Kim some credibility, giving him something. Should the U.S. be willing to compromise on something as part of whatever's maybe negotiated?
ZAKARIA: Well, you raise a very good point which is historically the North Koreans have always wanted these meetings. And the U.S. has always said, a meeting with the President is a great prize. It puts you on the same footing at the President of the United States. We will give that to you in return for concrete steps that you take.
So President Trump in a sense made the first big concession. Now maybe it's the right one. I'm not, you know, theologically opposed to it. It would be nice if he got something in return but, you know, better to start the negotiations, better to talk.
What we could compromise on and what concessions we could make is something I think that really should be negotiated at a lower level than the President but sure, there are things we can do. The Korean War is not formally over. We could sign on the, you know, formal end of the Korean War.
The United States does not recognize North Korea. Neither does it recognize the United States. There's that. There's aid. And there's finally security guarantees by which I mean just North Koreans feel threatened and insecure. And if there are ways to make them feel less threatened and that is insecure, the United States could put out a statement saying we don't intend regime change in North Korea. All those are reasonable concessions in return for the denuclearization of the nuclear arsenal.
CABRERA: However, unconventional, foreign policy approach may be, the summit is on. Does the fact we have even reached this point holding a summit prove Trump's unconventional approach has some merit?
ZAKARIA: No. What it proves is that if you make a big enough concession, you can get a deal. As I say, the North Koreans have wanted a meeting with the President of the United States at least since the Clinton administration. We know that. They have repeatedly asked for it.
It was the Clinton administration that said we want something verifiable and concrete in return for that. And even then maybe we'll do it. It was seen as a prize that was not to be given away easily.
The Bush administration was so tough on North Korea there was no real question that the President would meet with them. Obama felt that they were being too hardline in terms of ramping up the nuclear production. So you have had three Presidents who have had that opportunity who have said no. President Trump said yes. It's -- I don't mean to belittle the issue but it's easy to get a summit if you make the concession.
CABRERA: That is going to do it for me. I'm Ana Cabrera. Thank you for watching. The Two Faces of Kim Jong-un starts right now.