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Trump Defends Controversial Family Separations; Merkel Pushes for Europe-Wide Immigration Policy; Head of European Union Slams Trump; China Promises to Strike Back at U.S. tariffs; Who Wins, Who Loses in a Trade Fight; Trump's Hill Meeting 'Didn't Move The Ball' On Immigration Bill; World Cup Host Team Russia Defeats Egypt 3-1; Fans In Tokyo Take To Street To Celebrate Teams Win; Somali Refugee Beating The Odds Inside The Boxing Ring. Aired 2-3a ET
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't want children taken away from parents. And when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away.
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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): President Trump tries to justify the zero tolerance immigration policy that's separating children from their parents.
Meantime, the president's latest threats to slap more tariffs on China are spooking the markets and angering Beijing.
Plus why the U.S. is pulling out from the U.N. Human Rights Council.
Hello and welcome to our viewers joining us all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church and this is CNN NEWSROOM.
CHURCH: Republican lawmakers hoping to end the separation of immigrant families at the U.S. border with Mexico are getting mixed signals from President Trump. Outrage over the policy is growing, even within the president's own party.
Rulemakers who met with the president on Tuesday night say he told them the images of crying babies don't look good politically. And his daughter, Ivanka, urged him to end this. But many say they aren't sure exactly which of their bills he supports. Still the president seemed upbeat after the meeting.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: We had a great meeting. These are laws that have been broken for many years, decades. But we had a great meeting. Thank you very much.
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CHURCH: Democrats from the Congressional Hispanic Caucus were there when the president left the Capitol.
They shouted, "Stop separating our families," and "We won't go away."
Now earlier in the day the president was in a much more confrontational mood, blaming Democrats for the family separations and the media for how it's portraying the situation. CNN's senior White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny reports.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): President Trump is still pointing the finger at Democrats over the crisis at the border.
TRUMP: Democrats love open borders. Let the whole world come in. Let the whole world, MS-13, gang members from all over the place. Come on in.
ZELENY: But it is his fellow Republicans who are giving him an earful. They're imploring his administration to overturn the zero tolerance policy of separating children from their parents when apprehended at the border.
SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), UTAH: We ought to be doing everything in our power to bring the children together with their parents. So I'm -- I want to pause, so we can really approach these things intelligently.
ZELENY: Senator Orrin Hatch, often one of the most loyal Trump supporters, said, in the case of family separations, he's wrong. But the president is showing no signs of backing down, telling Congress to fix the impasse on immigration.
TRUMP: We can't let people pour in. They have got to go through the process. And maybe it is politically correct or maybe it's not. We have got to stop separation of the families.
ZELENY: The White House has presented conflicting, confusing and misleading questions on what type of bill the president would sign.
TRUMP: I don't want children taken away from parents. And when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away.
ZELENY: These scarring images broadcast across the country and the world showing children being pulled away from their parents at border.
The Department of Homeland Security now saying more than 2,300 children have been detained. It has prompted a near revolt among Republicans.
SEN. MIKE ROUNDS (R), SOUTH DAKOTA: Only Congress can change the law. I also recognize that if the president wanted to, he could make modifications.
SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI (R), ALASKA: The secretary, the attorney general, the president, they could move on this tomorrow.
SEN. JAMES LANKFORD (R), OKLAHOMA: I think they are scrambling to try to figure out how to be able to handle this. I think they were legitimately surprised at the pushback that they've had.
ZELENY: Senator Ted Cruz facing reelection in Texas also pushing for immediate action.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: All of us who are seeing these images of children being pulled away from moms and dads in tears, we're horrified. This has to stop.
ZELENY: The conservative editorial page at "The Wall Street Journal" weighing in with a scolding message.
"Are Republicans trying to lose their majorities in Congress this November? We assume not. But you can't tell from the party's internal feuding over immigration that is fast becoming an election year nightmare over separating immigrant children from their parents."
The president is blaming nearly everyone except his own administration for a policy he could instantly reverse, blasting the media today.
TRUMP: They are helping these smugglers and these traffickers like nobody would believe.
TRUMP: They know it. They know exactly what they're doing. And it should be stopped.
ZELENY: Of course, there's plenty blame to go around on this immigration impasse, Republicans blaming Democrats, some Democrats blaming Republicans; President Trump blaming everyone. But the reality here is there is no immediate path forward.
What type of bill would President Trump sign that would immediately address these family separation issues?
The White House says he wants to sign a bigger bill that would include funding for the $25 billion border wall. That, of course, unlikely to pass either the House or the Senate. So for now, this impasse, those images of children on the border, continue -- Jeff Zeleny, CNN, the White House.
CHURCH: Joining me now to talk more about this is CNN political analyst David Drucker. He is also the senior political correspondent for the "Washington Examiner."
Good to have you with us.
DAVID DRUCKER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Good to be here.
CHURCH: Of course, the controversial zero tolerance policy of the Trump administration has generated these heartbreaking images and audio of children being separated from their families. And many Republicans are now speaking out, calling the policy wrong, inhumane, trying to distance themselves from it.
What impact could this have on President Trump and the outcome of the midterm elections?
DRUCKER: Well, it's a really interesting question because so much of what's been happening with the president over the course of his presidency moves so quickly. And it was just one week ago we were all focused on North Korea and the summit in Singapore.
And all of a sudden, it's like that's forgotten and we're now dealing with a new controversy. Republicans are very concerned that, when you take the pictures with the audio, this has the potential to really upset things for the midterm elections here in the United States.
Where Republicans were feeling a lot better about their position in the midterm elections, especially compared to just months ago, they're worried that this is the kind of story that could get out of control.
And I think that's why you've seen so many Republicans urging the president and the administration to do something about this, not to wait for congressional action; although, congressional action is in the works, but to use the power that they believe the administration has, to put an end to this zero tolerance policy.
CHURCH: And President Trump apparently told GOP lawmakers Tuesday that the crying babies doesn't look good politically. So he is admitting the optics are bad but appears determined to push on in order to get the immigration reforms he wants and funds for his border wall.
How likely is it that he will continue with this family separation policy until he gets what he wants?
And if he does this, how politically damaging could this prove to be for the president and ultimately the party?
DRUCKER: So on how damaging it's going to be, it sort of depends on how much legs this story has. As we've seen with the president, there is a sort of new controversy every couple of weeks and we think it's the end-all, be-all. And then a few days later, there's something new and completely overshadows what came before.
So part of it depends on how much the story lingers and how much voters absorb this, especially as we head into the summer vacation season here in the United States and voters tend to tune out a little bit until we hit around Labor Day and the beginning of the fall. The president and his administration have not backed away from the
zero tolerance policy. I think a lot of Republicans, some people thought, that the president, after a couple of days would back down, would start to massage this.
But this president, if there's anything consistent about him, it's been the issue of trade and the issue of immigration enforcement.
And he seems determined to use this to put an end to a particular policy called catch and release, where basically you get into the United States by crossing the border illegally. And because you're requesting asylum or because you have children, you're then sort of released on your own recognizance and you're not immediately sent back.
And I think the president is trying to send a message to possible illegal immigrants, who were thinking about coming to the United States, that, if you have children, this is not something you want to do.
And the point here is -- and there are many different opinions about the policy and how effective it is and whether it's humane or not.
But the point here is I think the president is comfortable with this policy. I don't think he believes, as many other Republicans do, that it's a political risk for his party. And he's using it to try and effect some of the changes in immigration policy that, until now, he's been unable to bring about.
CHURCH: David Drucker, thank you so much for your analysis. We appreciate it.
DRUCKER: Any time.
CHURCH: President Trump has made some questionable claims about the connection between immigrants and the crime rate in Germany. German chancellor Angela Merkel set the record straight on Tuesday. Atika Shubert --
CHURCH: -- reports from Berlin.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Germany does seem to be in the crosshairs of President Trump's Twitter feed yet again. On Monday he said that the people of Germany were turning against their leadership.
And on Tuesday he said that crime here had jumped by 10 percent, blaming it on the more than a million asylum seekers that entered the country since 2015.
In fact, however, total crime is at its lowest in 30 years. That's according to the federal police. And in 2017, that number actually dropped by 10 percent.
And as for Chancellor Angela Merkel, according to an ARD media poll over the weekend, she remains the country's most popular politician, with an approval rating of 50 percent.
So what did the chancellor have to say to all this?
Frankly, it barely registered with her. At a press conference she did tell reporters that the crime statistics speak for themselves. She was too busy having discussions with French president Emmanuel Macron. They discussed Eurozone finance reform as well as trying to consolidate migration policy.
Both leaders said they were opening a new chapter for the E.U. and that they had agreed on a joint E.U. budget. And that budget would include strengthening the external borders of the E.U. to reduce irregular migration. That is something particularly important to Chancellor Merkel. Here's what she said.
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ANGELA MERKEL, CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY (through translator): Those who flee war and terror can ask for asylum in Europe. But asylum standards have to be brought on a common level. And it has to be possible to do this in all Schengen countries and not to be able to pick the country where the asylum is requested.
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SHUBERT: Now why is that so important to her?
Well, she has two weeks to quell a mutiny that is brewing within her own political party. Her critics say she has to crack down on immigration or face a possible collapse of her governing coalition. So she has set herself a deadline of July 1st to try and set up a deal with the E.U. to improve migration policy -- Atika Shubert, CNN, Berlin.
CHURCH: The head of the European Union had some harsh words for President Trump on his comments about Angela Merkel and Germany. Take a listen.
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JEAN-CLAUDE JUNCKER, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COMMISSION: The American president is always prickly when we dare to harshly criticize American politics. But this massive meddling in German domestic politics, I feel that we have to strongly condemn it.
It is not the American president's job to speculate and this is what he expressed yesterday, that the German population will be marching on the chancellery to replace Ms. Merkel. Ms. Merkel won't be replaced by Mr. Trump. If she is replaced at all, which would not be desirable, by German voters, not Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump may govern the United States. He does not govern Europe.
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CHURCH: Calling it a cesspool of political bias, the U.S. is withdrawing from the U.N.'s Human Rights Council. The announcement was made one day after the U.N. slammed Washington for separating children from their parents at the southern border. Richard Roth has the details.
RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley said the U.N. Human Rights Council is not even worthy of its name. And she had a lot more to say in criticizing the Geneva- based agency.
Haley said having the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cuba and Venezuela as human rights violators sitting on the council is preposterous. But she focused her criticism and the reason for the U.S. withdrawal is the chronic focus on Israel by the Human Rights Council.
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NIKKI HALEY, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: Last year the United States made it clear we could not accept the continued existence of agenda item 7, which singles out Israel in a way that no other country is singled out.
Earlier this year, as it has in previous years, the Human Rights Council passed five resolutions against Israel, more than the number passed against North Korea, Iran and Syria combined.
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ROTH: The U.N. secretary-general's office said he was disappointed that the United States withdrew. Human rights and aid organizations blasted the decision, Oxfam saying how can the U.S. lecture the Human Rights Council while taking children away from their parents at the border?
The U.N. Human Rights Council used to be called the U.N. Human Rights Commission and was allegedly reformed but not enough for the United States to stay in the group -- Richard Roth, CNN, New York.
CHURCH: This is the latest U.S. move away from --
CHURCH: -- international agreements and entanglements, following its exit from the Paris climate accord, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Iran nuclear deal. The European Union's diplomatic service says this, "Today's decision
risks undermining the role of the U.S. as a champion and supporter of democracy on the world stage.
"The European Union remains steadfastly and reliably committed to the Human Rights Council as the United Nations' main body for upholding human rights and fundamental freedoms worldwide."
We'll take a short break here. But still to come, China and the U.S. have been trading tariff threats.
But does Beijing have other economic weapons at its disposal?
We'll take a look.
And if an all-out trade war does develop, who will get caught in the middle?
We'll look at that. We're back in a moment.
CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone.
Well, the U.S. is threatening to impose more tariffs on China. Beijing's response: do it and face the consequences. The Chinese government is promising to strike back if the Trump administration slaps tariffs on an additional $200 billion of Chinese goods.
It's part of an escalating tit-for-tat between the two countries. The White House furious ever since Beijing said it would retaliate against an earlier round of U.S. tariffs.
The tensions rattled U.S. markets. After sinking more than 400 points in Tuesday's early trading, the Dow crawled back but was down almost 300 at the close.
So let's take a look now at how Asia markets are doing and look at that, all in positive territory. Japan's Nikkei up 1.25 percent, the Seoul KOSPI up 1.37 percent and the other markets are up in positive territory as well.
So CNN's Nic Robertson joins us now from Beijing.
It doesn't seem to have spooked the Asian markets. Of course, Nic, we are watching all these tit-for-tat threats of tariffs from the U.S., first the $50 billion round and now this $200 billion threat. And China's promising to strike back in kind.
What's been the impact so far to all of this?
What are you reading when you look at those numbers for Asia markets? NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, you look at Boeing yesterday --
ROBERTSON: -- closing 3.8 percent of their value down, Caterpillar another major company that does big business here in China, down 3.6 percent.
So I think what they heard, what companies heard yesterday and what the markets heard yesterday, was unnerving and rattling. But clearly it does seem certainly in the Asia markets that's being taken in stride.
The reality is, although China has said it will respond qualitatively and quantitatively, that it will strike back hard, that it doesn't want this trade war but is willing to have one if that's what the United States wants, these effects, if the United States, if President Trump and the United States were to take this position to have tariffs on another $200 billion worth of goods, that wouldn't come into effect immediately.
It could be months away. So the markets would be aware of this. The $50 billion business that is going to get these increased tariffs to the United States, the set is going to happen, that doesn't begin until the first week in July for about $34 billion worth. The rest will follow on from that.
So between the rhetoric and the actual -- the rhetoric and the sort of when these things go into effect, there's a gap. So I think perhaps what we're seeing right now in the Asia markets is a response to that, is them now factoring in that there's a concern. But it's not today's concern; it's going forward.
CHURCH: Nic, going forward, how bad could this get and at what point is it officially considered to be a trade war?
ROBERTSON: Well, China's using that term already. It feels that the United States is stepping into territory that's not bound by normal international business convention. So in that respect, I think it's genuinely accepted now that if these $200 billion of trade gets these additional tariffs, then you're in that arena of a war, $50 billion, $50 billion that's already coming down the pike, if you will.
The $200 billion is yet to happen. It's threatened to happen. So it's beginning to look like a trade war and that's certainly China's perspective. And it certainly could have a huge impact on some major companies.
And it's not quite clear how China would fully respond. China buys in about $130 billion worth of goods from the United States. So that $200 billion figure is significantly above that.
But they could target, for example, services in the education and tourism sector. They could do what they did with South Korea, which is, you know, change people's perception about doing business in that country, which had an effect last year when they did that with South Korea.
They could also impose measures such as additional safety checks and measures like that that could crimp companies' ability to do business in China. So there's a lot of uncertainties out there.
But the certainty at the moment is the course that the two countries are on at the moment certainly looks like it will be a trade war, perhaps not quite into it. But it certainly seems to be on that very slippery slope -- Rosemary.
CHURCH: Let's see if either one or both back off on this. Our Nic Robertson, joining us live from Beijing, where it's very close to 2:30 in the afternoon. Thanks so much.
The White House says any trade battle with China will have relatively small effects. But the head of the U.S. National Retail Federation warns that a trade war could mean higher prices, lost jobs and could sap the energy out of the U.S. economy. More now from CNN's Tom Foreman.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the front line of the rapidly escalating trade war, American companies are bracing for battle as the Chinese accuse the White House of extreme pressure and blackmailing over the latest talk of more tariffs. And President Trump sounds the charge.
TRUMP: We're going to take care of our manufacturers and our manufacturing jobs.
FOREMAN (voice-over): The president says the Chinese are stealing American intellectual property, using it to create cheap knockoffs of industrial components and then selling them back to U.S. manufacturers. A list of 800 items covered by the new tariff, which officially goes into effect on July 6th, is heavy with transistors, circuits, touchscreens and more. Some analysts say that could help American companies that make such components but it could hurt others that rely on importing them.
And while few consumer goods are on the list, American shoppers could suffer, too, as manufacturers pass on --
FOREMAN: -- costs and jobs come under fire. In 2002, President George W. Bush tried to help the steel industry with steep tariffs on imports, only to see, by one estimate, 200,000 jobs lost when other companies that needed that material cut back.
Some in President Trump's corner are betting against that, even as the Chinese say they're ready for an all-out trade war if it comes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think China will back down. They will lower their tariffs. That's going to mean more jobs for America and that's the end game here. FOREMAN (voice-over): And hanging over it all is the effort to dial down North Korea's nuclear program. China is critical to that effort. But now North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has once again met with China's President Xi Jinping. And questions are rising about how much China even wants to help America now amid such tough talk from Trump.
TRUMP: We need protection. Everybody's taken advantage of us.
FOREMAN: So this move toward such strongly protectionist measures is a very big bet by the president, with American businesses, jobs and security on the table -- Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
CHURCH: A border story with a happy ending. Just ahead, one family reunited after a very short time apart. What they say made their case different.
Plus we will hear from Trump supporters, who say the president is doing nothing wrong in separating migrant children from their parents.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Quit trying to make us feel teary-eyed for the children. Yes, I love children a great deal. But, to me, it's up to the parents to do things rightfully and legally.
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CHURCH: A very warm welcome back to our viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church. Want to update you now on the main stories we've been following.
[02:30:10] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Well, there are some stories from along the U.S.-Mexico border that have happier endings. A 38-year-old fisherman from El Salvador was reunited with his 7-year-old son Tuesday after being separated for about a day and a half. CNN's Polo Sandoval reports.
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We met Edward Alexander Gonzalez here in McAllen after he was released by the Department of Homeland Security promising to come back for a court date. We accompanied him to a bus station here in downtown McAllen as he heads to Florida. He was not subjected to the zero-tolerance policy which is raising many questions exactly who is and why was he among the lucky ones? He seems to believe that it was because he did not have a criminal record. This was his first time he entered the U.S. illegally. But in the meantime though, Mr. Gonzalez telling us about the situation back in the State of El Salvador saying that there are many people there, many parents there preparing to make the journey to the United States who have no idea about this policy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): In my country, I wasn't notified of this policy. Had I known, I would not have risked my son's life. I would have stayed in my country.
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SANDOVAL: And Gonzalez separated from his 7-year-old son who you saw there by his side for a day and a half. It was certainly extremely painful. However, he was certainly grateful that he at least has that child with him today. They also told us a little bit about the situation there inside these shelters. These are places that we have seen through hand out video and pictures released by the government and also heard from some of our lawmakers who have toured these facilities as well. These two individuals who we spoke to here on the streets describing some of the conditions there as inhumane before they were finally released and now head to Florida. It just goes to show you after the living and working on this border for many years, I can tell you that there are very different dynamics here in play. There are some of those that are subjected to short-term separation and those who are criminally charged that are then subjected to long- term separation, but those children certainly don't know the difference.
CHURCH: Polo Sandoval with that report. Well, the images of children being separated from their parents at the U.S. border with Mexico are heart wrenching of course, and perhaps, none has come to symbolize the crisis more than this picture of a 2-year-old toddler from Honduras. She was taken from her mother after they rafted across the Rio Grande from Mexico. Getty photographer John Moore took the picture, and now we are hearing from the little girl's father.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): My heart broke. My heart broke because it's my little girl. I mean the first time I said that's my little girl right when I saw the report. I said that's my little girl. My heart broke.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you cry?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): Of course, it's really hard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It still moves you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): Oh, yes, of course.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does it give you a lot of pain to remember the way she was crying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): I don't think so, no. She didn't deserve that situation. My little girl doesn't deserve that situation. It breaks my heart.
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CHURCH: According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, almost 2,000 minors were separated from their guardians while traveling to the United States. And several Central American countries are urging an end to family separations and the Trump administration's zero- tolerance policy on immigrants. The President of Honduras called on U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to end the practice. El Salvador's government says separating children from their parents will have consequences on their physician and psychological health. And take a listen to Mexico's foreign minister.
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LUIS VIDEGARAY, MEXICAN SECRETARY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS (via translator): It is a cruel policy. It is an inhuman policy, and we call on it to stop regardless of the judicial or political motivation, and in that sense our position is clear. It is not up to us to elucidate the causes of this situation. We condemn it categorically and clearly.
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CHURCH: But President Trump is thinking about retaliation despite the fact that the vast majority of migrants are fleeing drugs and gang violence in Central America. Mr. Trump says he'd like to punish countries for sending immigrants to the U.S.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hundreds of millions of dollars we give to some of these countries and they send them up. Well, I'm going to go very shortly for authorization that when countries abuse us by sending their people up, not their best, we're not going to give any more aid to those countries. Why the hell should we?
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CHURCH: Now, as much outrage and condemnation as we've seen or the families separated at the border, a majority of Republicans say they support the president's policy. CNN's Martin Savidge reports.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: At Nana Dees Diner in Mesa, Arizona, you can find plenty of good food. What you won't find especially among Trump fans is sympathy for immigrant families separated at the border.
[02:35:10] CARL BIER, TRUMP VOTER: These people that we have coming across the border illegally are breaking the rules. I have no feelings for them at all.
SAVIDGE: Despite the images of children torn from their parents or the sounds of kids crying in a detention center folks here back the president completely.
SONYA COPPA, TRUMP VOTER: It's not about Mexicans. That's what everybody is so angry about. It's not. I don't care if you're from Canada. I don't care if you're from where. You just can't come into this state and read, you know what I'm saying? Like I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.
SAVIDGE: Do you think that people are living off of the state and doing it illegally?
COPPA: Absolutely. And I think it's --
SAVIDGE: You hear a lot of anger and a lot of the president's own arguments especially that many of the immigrants are actually criminals posing as parents.
BIER: Now, when you have a bad guy coming across kidnapping a kid and trying to come across, I don't buy that.
SAVIDGE: How many of these you think would be bad parents?
BIER: I don't really know. But there are a lot of people being hurt by bad guys coming into this country, a lot of people.
SAVIDGE: Actually, that isn't true. But it is what these Trump voters believe. Madeline Carroll doesn't like CNN and she doesn't like the media as she says is trying to make her feel guilty.
MADELINE CARROLL, TRUMP VOTER: Quit trying to make us feel teary-eyed for the children. Yes, I love children a great deal. But to me, it's up to the parents to do things rightfully and legally.
SAVIDGE: You support the president 100 percent?
SAVIDGE: Not all Trump supporters feel that way. In a trendy watering hole in Scottsdale, I meet up with four conservative friends. Despite the stereo typical image of Trump supporters, they're not old, angry, or altogether white. They're young highly educated professionals with immigrant histories in their families.
PASCAL KROPF, BANKER: At the end of the day, the zero-tolerance is about enforcing the law.
SAVIDGE: They all like Trump's tougher stand on border protection, but all feel it's going too far.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm definitely not for separating families.
BRIAN SHIAU, VP OF PRIVATE EQUITY COMPANY: It wasn't well-thought out of kind of the human aspect of how this plays out both, you know, for the families and for everyone involved.
JESSICA LYCOS, POLITICAL CONSULTANT: Politics aside, there are real families involved here. And, you know, the Statue of Liberty says give us your huddled masses, and so I want to remain a country that that's our motto.
SAVIDGE: They all don't believe Trump likes taking kids from their parents. Instead, they see what's happening as an unintended consequence of a stricter policy. Shouldn't we somehow end it immediately?
KROPF: I think that's what they need to do, but it's politics. That's the side part. Common sense is now taken out of the equation.
SAVIDGE: They hope Congress and the White House can make a deal this week ending family separations. In their minds unlike some other Trump voters, zero-tolerance should not mean zero compassion. Martin Savidge, CNN Phoenix.
CHURCH: In Europe, a top Italian minister is being accused of racism. It's all because of a census that's raising fears among the Roma community in Italy. Their story still to come.
[02:41:08] CHURCH: Welcome back everyone. Well, Italy's interior minister is dismissing accusations of racism and pushing ahead with his proposal to conduct a census of the Roma population. The opposition and Jewish organizations are outraged comparing the plan to race laws under Benito Mussolini. Matteo Salvini wants to expel anyone living in Italy illegally.
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MATTEO SALVINI, DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF ITALY (via translator): We will try to understand how we can intervene regarding doing what years ago was called the census. We can now call it a registry or a picture of the situation to understand what we're dealing with. As for the Italian Roma, unfortunately, we have to keep them in Italy.
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CHURCH: Thousands of Roma live in Italy, many in rundown camps outside major cities. The government's move to conduct a census and shutdown the camps is raging fears of World War II-era discrimination. Delia Gallagher visited one Roma camp.
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These are some of the Roma people living in camps setup by the Italian government. Italy's new Interior Minister Matteo Salvini has accused them of being thieves, not sending their children to school and introducing them into a life of crime. His government plans to close many of these camps. 33-year-old Darius Maliska born in Romania says the camps are full of young strong kids willing to work, but they feel trapped by conditions created by the government. They say we steal, sell drugs, create problems, he says, right? They created this. They put us on this road. Minister Salvini says he's ordered a census of the Roma minority words that sound alarming Europe or a census of the Jewish minority was conducted before the holocaust, a time in Italy when the Roma were also expelled. In a precedent warning at the confirmation hearing for Italy's new government holocaust survivor and Italian Senator Liliana Segre recalled being in Auschwitz with Roma and 70 people.
I refused to think that today our democratic society could be dirtied by projects of special laws against nomadic people she said. Should that happen, I will oppose it with all my strength. Minister Salvini has not gone as far as prosing special laws, but here is his recent Facebook post boasting of the tearing down of a Sinti house, another minority population. From words to action, he writes. The Roma are aware of being at the center of a political debate. Gordana Salmanovich from Bosnia lives in this house with her husband and 11 children. She says they can't find their own housing because Italians won't rent to Roma. We all have documents, she says. There are people with Italian citizenship, many are legal. It's not right that Salvini goes against us. We are not animals. Minister Salvini says Italians first and their security. He also recognized that some Roma are Italians. Those, unfortunately, he said we have to keep. Delia Gallagher, CNN Rome.
[02:44:52] CHURCH: And we'll take a short break here. Still to come, World Cup host Russia lands a huge win and virtually seals their place in the last 16. We'll have the highlights for you.
Plus, people across the globe. A marking World Refugee Day, Wednesday with the number of displaced people at a record high. We will meet a refugee with a success story, back in a moment.
CHURCH: Now, to the World Cup, where host team Russia, defeated Egypt 3-1, Tuesday. Virtually sealing their place in the last 16. Our Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow, surrounded by a crowd of very happy Russian fans.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And Team Russia have done it once again. After dismantling the Saudi Squad, they've handily beaten the Egyptians and their star player, Mo Salah by 3-1.
Now, the atmosphere in Saint Petersburg obviously was electric. But also here in Moscow at the fan zone which was packed with Russia bands who were keen to see their side before once again. And Russia's team did not disappoint their followers.
Now, we always have to keep in mind that very few people here even in Russia believed in this team before the World Cup's started. They had some games ahead of the World Cup, friendly matches that didn't go well at all. But now that things have kicked off, the Russians have six points out of two games that are all but qualified for the next round which is something that hasn't happened to a Russian or Soviet team since 1986. Now, that, of course, --
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[02:50:37] PATRICK SNELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL SPORTS ANCHOR: As now, I think expectations in a way, Rosemary. Are going to be even more elevated until they get be confirmed into the round of 16.
CHURCH: Amazing. What a turn around. What about Japan? I mean, after four years of waiting since revenge, they did well.
SNELL: They did another surprise when against Colombia, or as well, you've got to the quarterfinals of the tournament four years ago in Brazil. And they actually beat the Japanese on that occasion, 4-1 in the group stage. As a result, that eliminated the Japanese from the tournament. So you could say revenge was in the air, a dream starts with Japan.
He (INAUDIBLE) really leading to their own downfall. Carlos Sanchez dismissed for deliberate handball. And then, cool is you like Borussia Dortmund Shinji Kagawa, just caressing home the resulting spot-kick there.
Now, the Columbians did get back into it even though they were down to 10-men. Juan Quintero with a goal there, really nicely taken. The free kick going under the wall, love that technique when it happens.
But the South Americans couldn't stand the game because Japan wanted to win this desperately and they did, and it is a goal from the corner. Yuya Osako powering home ahead, it was just over 15 minutes to go, and these are scenes from the Japanese capital, Tokyo.
Now, I was actually there when they co-hosted the 2002 World Cup. First time it was ever in Asia. I tell you firsthand just how passionate they are about seeing the national team, the Blue Samurai do well.
This is now the first time, by the way, in 18 attempts that an Asian team has ever beaten a South American side at the World Cup that really is a terrific accomplishment. And once again, I'm going to say, Rosemary, their expectations now are going to be soaring, as well.
CHURCH: Wow. Now, expectations that are soaring, Brazil, unfortunately, I mean, they lost their opener and now they've got some pretty bad news about their self-play.
SNELL: Yes. They actually got frustrated, they drew 1-1 with Switzerland on Sunday. In that only game with Neymar, their star player got really man mark shall we say during that game. And he is now a cause for concern for the national team. You can see the video here limping off a training session earlier. And we'll wait to find out more information on this later, Wednesday. We really do need to find out more.
Our indications -- are it's not too serious. Remember he had foot surgery earlier in 2018. He only played his first competitive game on Sunday against Switzerland, the first competitive game since much earlier this year. So, he is hugely crucial to his chances for Brazil. Can they go on and win a sixth title? We shall see about that.
All right, what else is on the slate for Wednesday? Let's show you some of those games. In Group A, we have that big one, it's Uruguay against Saudi Arabia. Win for Uruguay, we'll put them through. And of course, confirmed Russia as well in the round of 16. Group B, has Cristiano Ronaldo's Portugal taking on Morocco, Iran, are playing Spain as when the 2010 World Champions.
Before you let me go, Rosemary, I do want to get to something another really good storyline for Senegal, had a surprise win over Poland, as well on Tuesday. But is their head coach Aliou Cisse, who's actually making a bit of a name for himself, who we say this is a gift -- look at this gift from him. Straight into cameras, he celebrates one of the -- one of the goals that his team scored the victory there over Poland. Really impressive.
He, of course, was part of that 2002 team that went all the way to the quarterfinals. He's doing great, Senegal really surprising. It's been a fascinating World Cup so far. And the storyline are only just getting going.
CHURCH: All the storylines, all the upsets, all the surprises, unbelievable. Patrick Snell, thanks so much. Let's chat again next --
SNELL: OK. Let's do it again, yes.
CHURCH: OK, thank you. Well, now to the incredible backstory of a woman who beat the odds to become one of the U.K.'s top boxers. CNN's Salma Abdelaziz met her.
RAMLA ALI, AMATEUR BOXER, ENGLAND: I just want to train harder so you can win another fight and be better than what you were yesterday.
SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN INTERNATIONAL FIELD PRODUCER: Ramla Ali's expressions are fierce, her drills, relentless. And the afternoons are even punchier.
ALI: It's a little bit of an addiction. I don't -- I don't -- I can't explain it.
ABDELAZIZ: The 27-year-old is a champion boxer.
ANNOUNCER: Ramla Ali.
ABDELAZIZ: Winning the British title in 2016. The glory of her victories in the U.K. are a far cry from her birthplace, Somalia. [02:55:08] ALI: The reason why we came here is because my eldest brother died in the war. And so, he was struck by a grenade as he played outside in the house.
ABDELAZIZ: Ali's family was forced to flee the country Civil War when she was just 2 years old.
ALI: When we packed up, we went on a boat to Kenya. A lot of people died along the way.
ABDELAZIZ: After a harrowing journey, the family found refugee status in the U.K. As a child, she struggled to fit in until she started punching the bag.
ALI: Everyone is equal in boxing and you don't see yourself like that, that make sense. You're in the ring and it's just one boxer versus another boxer.
ABDELAZIZ: But the athlete's conservative Muslim parents pushed her to quit. Seeing the sport was inappropriate for a girl. She kept fighting.
ALI: I remember sneaking out, you know. Telling them I was just going to the center for a run or I was going to the park for run but really and truly, I was -- you know, going to train in the boxing gym.
ABDELAZIZ: Ali has never been back to Somalia. It's too dangerous. Still, she dreams of becoming the country's first ever boxer, male or female to compete in the Olympics.
ALI: A lot of people accepting because I'm bringing hope to Somalia. So, I think that's why a lot of people are proud.
ABDELAZIZ: Seeing their daughter sweat and spar for her homeland, Ali's parents had a change of heart and now stand in her corner.
ALI: My mom has always drilled it into us -- you know, be proud of your heritage, and you know, London is your home but your first home is Somalia. And more than anything, it makes her proud and that's ultimately what you want and that just to make your parents proud.
ABDELAZIZ: Determined to honor and represent her homeland in the ring even she can never return. Salma Abdelaziz, CNN, London.
CHURCH: And Salma's report is part is part of our coverage on this World Refugee Day. We will have a live report on the state of displaced people around the world. That is coming up next hour. Do stay with us.
[02:59:56] REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS (D-MD), HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: In the United States of America, we will not intentionally separate children from their parents. We will not do that, we are better than that.