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Harley-Davidson Taking Hit in Trump Trade Fight with E.U.; Trump: Deport Immigrants Without Judges or Court Cases; Parents Speak Out as Funeral Begins for Teen Shot by Police; U.S. Fine-Tunes Wish List for North Korea. Aired 11:30a-12n ET
Aired June 25, 2018 - 11:30 ET
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[11:33:14] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We want to make it easier for businesses to create more jobs and more factories of the United States. You're a great example of it.
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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: "You're a great example of it." That was just last year at the White House. The president holding a big quintessential American-brand motorcycle maker, Harley-Davidson, as just the type of company he wants to help. Check your inbox, Mr. President. Harley-Davidson now announcing it plans to move some operation out of the U.S. because of the tariffs. So is this America First trade policy going exactly as planned?
Joining me now, CNN correspondent, Alison Kosik, with much more on this.
Alison, what is Harley-Davidson doing?
ALISON KOSIK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In this SEC, filing from today, we're learning about what Harley-Davidson is doing. It is going ahead and shifting production of its motorcycles it makes for European customers, literally moving it out of the United States and setting up shop overseas to avoid the tariff and ultimately save money and customers.
Now, we learned that Harley-Davidson is making this drastic move to literally hold on to its second-biggest sales market. That's Europe. This is after the E.U. raised tariffs from 6 percent to 31 percent on motorcycles that are exported from the U.S. Harley says the tariff raises the price by about $2200 on every motorcycle that's sold in Europe. That cuts its competitive strength in Europe if their motorcycles are more than what is already on the market. So you look at the security filing, Harley-Davidson said this, it said it "believes the tremendous cost increase, if it is passed on to its dealers and retail customers, it would wind up having an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region."
Instead of raising prices, which Harley says it is not going to do, the company has decided, you know what, we're betting off over the next 18 months moving our production facilities of the motorcycles to avoid the tariffs. The way Harley sees it, Europe is a critical market for the company. Look at last year, it did 15 percent of business there, 40,000 motorcycles were sold. For now, Harley is basically going to eat the higher tariff cost. The company says it is going to take a hit of $30 million to $45 million for the rest of the year. And if you look at the full year, the impact could be as high as $100 million. So those kinds of losses, Kate, are expected to eat into profit for the company. And it is the reason we're seeing shares of Harley-Davidson tanking 5 percent because they're going to be struggling to literally move that facility and try and pay for this tax that is going to be placed on the motorcycles overseas.
[11:35:45] BOLDUAN: This can't be what the administration was hoping for when the president put this in place. Is the administration saying -- are you getting any word from them?
KOSIK: We did reach out to the White House. We haven't heard back. If this is any indication of what is going on, they are unlikely to reverse course. If you look at what happened last week, President Trump even threatened that if the E.U. steps up its retaliation, even more, than the U.S. is going to go ahead and slap tariffs on cars exported from the E.U. here to the United States.
So the reality is this is what a trade wore looks like. One country hitting, the other country hitting back. But the way the administration sees it is the short-term pain is worth long-term gain to kind of level the playing field when it comes to trade and our trade relationships around the world.
BOLDUAN: Tell that to Harley-Davidson.
And, let's throw up the big board, the markets have been having a rough go of it already today. Alison, is this what it is all about?
KOSIK: This is part of it, too. It's part of the big red bow package of trade tensions that continue to escalate. Every day, there seems to be a new headline, but the latest new headline is that, you know, the Trump administration may go ahead and ramp up even more trouble for China in trying to get these Chinese companies to buy into American technology companies. The U.S. may block Chinese companies from investing in American technology companies. So that's kind of rattling the market as well.
News about Harley-Davidson definitely hitting the market. It is the reality. It's the reality where we see customers could actually be hurt in their own pocketbooks.
BOLDUAN: Alison, thanks so much. A lot going on here. Talk about trade policy more, though.
Still ahead, it is not just a wall now. President Trump has a new plan for the southern border, no due process, we're going cut through the noise next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [11:41:50] BOLDUAN: A border wall seems so 2017 these days. Now the president is calling for a new change at the border. Forget due process, no judge, no court, just out. Here is a tweet from the president: "We could not allow all the people to invade our country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately with no judges or court cases bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy, and law and order."
What is the president really calling for here? Does he have the power to do it? Let's cut through the noise?
Joining me now, immigration attorney, David Leopold, the former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
David, thank you for coming in.
DAVID LEOPOLD, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: Thank you for having me, Kate.
BOLDUAN: So what are the rights of illegal immigrants? How are those rights different from an American citizen when it comes to the court system?
LEOPOLD: Generally, everybody has the right in this country to due process, to go to court and to make their case and to be heard by the judge. When the Congress wrote the law, they wrote it thinking the president would apply the law in good faith and, you know, to protect the country. But the problem right now is that we have a president who appears to be applying the law in a way that, you know, separates families and now he wants to gut due process. There are nooks and crannies, provisions in that law which could conceivably give the president the opportunity to take away, to take away the right to a judge. If you can imagine that, if you can take away --
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BOLDUAN: That's very interesting because, potentially, the president is saying you come here illegally, you should get sent out immediately.
LEOPOLD: Right.
BOLDUAN: And the first thing I thought is, is this within the president's powers?
LEOPOLD: Well, you know, there are certain interpretations. I would argue no. The idea is that the president is supposed to enforce the law in good faith, with an idea toward national security and border security. And locking up kids and then gutting due process, taking away the right to go to a hearing before a judge does not serve border security, does not serve any of those interests. This is a country, Kate, where we were founded on fairness and freedom. Americans are all about fairness and freedom. The immigration law is harsh. It is true. And used in the wrong hands, as it is right now, by the president of the United States, Donald Trump, you know it can be used as a battering ram. I think we have to be mindful this administration -- this is an administration that tried to ban entire religions. This is an administration that has --
BOLDUAN: They say that's not what the policy ended up being and the 3.0 version of it. Continue, please.
LEOPOLD: OK. It also is an administration that has threatened our local community that want to enforce the laws they see fit, for not enforcing immigration law. I have no doubt that this administration, Donald Trump, who advised by a white nationalist, Stephen Miller, in the White House, that the secretary of Homeland Security --
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BOLDUAN: I don't know if you want to go as far as -- I mean, let's not -- just an entire segment about civility here. I don't know if you want to call Stephen Miller a white nationalist.
LEOPOLD: Well, it's not an uncivil thing. I would argue that it's a fact. But, OK, look --
[11:45:04] BOLDUAN: Honestly, I have not seen that. I mean, where is the fact on that?
LEOPOLD: Well, look at what the types of policies that we have seen from this administration. Look who is being targeted by this administration.
The point is that the law, Kate, should be used fairly. The point is that, you know, Americans love due process. America is all about due process. And when we see a tweet from the president on a Sunday decrying judges, saying that there should be no judges, that people shouldn't have a chance -- immigration laws is complicated, Kate. If somebody comes into the United States, right, they may have been trafficked here. They may have the right to asylum, to stay here. They may be the victim in the United States, if somebody is encountered, who never entered. He or she may be the victim of domestic violence or trafficking or some other crime and they have the right to stay here, they have the right to a visa. That's why we have judges. That's why we have, you know, courts. And to say, willie nilly, we won't use the courts or shouldn't have courts, that's throwing out -- prejudging people who really need, you know, need due process. And if it starts with immigrants, how far does it go? This is an administration that has talked about denaturalizing American citizens recently.
BOLDUAN: Well, let's first see if the White House wants to explain what the president is throwing out there, and starting with the tweet, and see if they want to walk back his discussion now of due process.
David Leopold, thank you for coming in.
LEOPOLD: Thanks for having me, Kate.
BOLDUAN: Coming up right now, in Pennsylvania, family and friends are gathering at the funeral for an unarmed teenager who was shot and killed by police. His parents are speaking out for the first time. Their message to the officer who pulled the trigger, that's next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[11:51:25] BOLDUAN: Right now, in Pennsylvania, grieving parents are laying their teenage son to rest after he was shot and killed by police, 17-year-old Antwon Rose. He was unarmed when he was shot by a Pittsburgh police officer last week. Cell phone shows him running away from police when an officer opened fire. His death has sparked days of protests. Now Antwon's parents are speaking out for the first time.
CNN national correspondent, Athena Jones, is in Swissvale, Pennsylvania, where the funeral is taking place.
Athena, what are his parents saying?
ATHENA JONES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kate. His parents are expressing the pain they're feeling and the anger. They do not believe this shooting of their son in the back was justified.
Listen to what they said -- Antwon's mother, Michelle Kenney, said.
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MICHELLE KENNEY, MOTHER OF ANTWON ROSE: He murdered my son in cold blood. If he has a son, I pray his heart never has to hurt the way mines does.
My son was truly a beautiful soul. Everyone has stood up, and I'm hoping that it changes the world.
ANTOWN ROSE SR, FATHER OF ANTWON ROSE: Don't be frightened. Do it peacefully.
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JONES: So there you heard from both Antwon Rose's parents, Michelle Kenney and Antwon Rose Sr., his father, talking about how they want to make sure protests are kept peaceful.
I should mention that protesters have been held off for a few days because they want to honor the family's wishes. They're coming out here to mourn the death of Antwon Rose and celebrate the life of Antwon Rose.
One more thing I want to mention. The poem written by Antwon Rose, "I'm not what you think," features prominently in the funeral program. This is a young man who was confused and afraid and concerned about his future -- Kate?
BOLDUAN: Athena Jones thanks so very much. Appreciate it.
Coming up for us, the Trump administration is now preparing a list of, quote, unquote, "specific asks" to North Korea. What's on the list and will Kim Jong-Un agree? Any word there? That's next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [11:57:42] BOLDUAN: Remember when the president said there's no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea? Well, the administration is now trying to get more detail and a handle on that. A senior Defense official says they're working on a timeline outlining, quote, unquote, "specific asks" for Pyongyang. The White House want reassurances that Kim Jong-Un is committed to denuclearization of the Korean peninsula. This comes a little less than two weeks after President Trump and the North Korean leader shook on it in Singapore.
CNN Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr, joins me now with the very latest.
Barbara, what are these "asks," do we know?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's the big problem, right? We don't know. What the U.S. wants is to present North Korea essentially with a to-do list. Here's what denuclearization means, here's what you have to do, here's what we need to know about it so we can verify that you're doing it. Now the hard work begins. The U.S. will have more discussions with the North Koreans, we know that. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo expected to talk to them again. The Pentagon advisers will be part of that. They have been in the past. But now it's really beyond the rhetoric of both Mr. Trump and Chairman Kim, if you will. Now the experts have to sit down and work out the details.
So they're going to give them this list. They're going to give them some timelines. And this will be, according to Defense officials, one of the key indicators about whether the North Koreans are really serious about this, if they are really committed to full denuclearization. No matter what the president has said over the last couple of weeks, there's absolutely no indication yet that they have dismantled anything significant -- Kate?
BOLDUAN: And real quick, Barbara, any indication on the one concrete thing that the North Koreans promised, which was to return the remains of U.S. servicemen from the Korean War?
STARR: The North Koreans have long said they have about 200 sets of remains believed to be U.S. servicemembers. Those are now supposed to be returned within the coming days, the U.S. and the United Nations making preparations for it all at the DMZ -- Kate?
BOLDUAN: All right, Barbara. Great to see you. Thanks you so much.
And thank you all so much for joining me.
"INSIDE POLITICS" with John King starts right now.
[12:00:03] JOHN KING, CNN HOST: Thank you, Kate.
And welcome to INSIDE POLITICS. I'm John King. Thank you for sharing your day with us.
The president ratchets up his anti-immigration rhetoric. Does he really plan to deny due process to those crossing the border or --
