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Hundreds From California And From Los Angeles Have Gathered To Demand Action, To Demand That Families Separated At The Border Be Reunited; Cases Of Alleged Migrant Child Abuse At The Border Revealed; A Comedian Claims He Pulled Off A Prank Call On The President On Board Air Force One; Roe v. Wade Is At Risk On The Retirement Of Justice Anthony Kennedy. Aired 7-8p ET
Aired June 30, 2018 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:14] ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: It is 7:00 eastern. 4:00 in the afternoon out west. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. And you are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
Across the United States, all day today, thousands of people showing their faces, raising their voices. They are demanding immigrant people, families and children be treated better, more humanely on the southern U.S. border. They started early today along the east coast and spread westward at the day went on.
In New York and Washington, D.C., people of all ages, citizens and celebrity, gathers to vent their frustration and share stories.
LEAH, DAUGHTER OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS: It makes me sad to know this children can't be with their parents. I don't understand why they are being so mean to us children. Don't they know how much we love our families? Don't they have a family, too?
ALICIA KEYS, SINGER: My 7-year-old son is here with me today. His name is Egypt. And I couldn't even imagine not being able to find him. I couldn't even imagine being separated from him or scared about how he's being treated. So this is all of our fight.
AMERICA FERRERA, ACTRESS: I am here not only as a brand-new mother, as the child, the proud child of Honduran immigrants. And not only as an American who sees it as her duty to be here defending justice, I am here as a human being. With a beating heart who can feel pain, who understands compassion and who can easily imagine what it must feel like to struggle the way families are struggling right now.
CABRERA: The star of Hamilton also performed a song from his hit Broadway show, a lullaby he dedicated to parents who are separated from their kids.
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CABRERA: To Chicago, where the sweltering heat matched the passion of protesters marching on scorching pavement. Thousands of demonstrators braving the hottest day of the year. This crowd stretching for more than a mile.
In attendance, Democratic senator Dick Durbin, who spoke to CNN's Ryan Young about the need for action going into the midterm elections.
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SEN. DICK DURBIN (D), ILLINOIS: I'm asking people across the United States voters participate. Be part of this election. Don't stay home and curse the television. Sorry. But come on out. Use your citizen's right to vote. That's the most important thing.
I think the American people are going to speak loudly. They are sick and tired of what's happening in terms of this immigration policy. Look at ICE what a group of incompetence. At this point, they are focused more on toddlers than terrorists. Instead of deporting felon, they want to deport families being persecuted by gangs. We are in the middle of the worst drug epidemic in history and instead of focusing on stopping bad drugs from coming in and stopping dirty drug money from going out, they are focusing on separating kids from their families.
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CABRERA: Despite the sweater in summer heat, more protests played out across the nation. In the Midwest in cities like Milwaukee, on the east coast, in New York, also on the west coast in San Francisco. Crowds filled the streets in Portland, Oregon, too. Some making their way to the immigrations enforcement building. Activists have then occupying a tent city outside the ICE headquarters there since the middle of June in protests of the immigration policies.
These nationwide protests were set to music in Los Angeles.
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[19:05:38] CABRERA: California lawmakers who attended the rally took aimed at the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy and even put themselves in the center of the immigration storm.
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SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D), CALIFORNIA: We are better than this. We are better than having these detention facilities that are prisons where we house mothers who have been ripped from their breast-feeding children behind barbed wires. We are better than this. When we have children being housed in cages, crying for their mommies and daddies, we know we are better than this. REP. MAXINE WATERS (D), CALIFORNIA: I know that there are those who
are talking about censuring (ph) me, talking about kicking me out of Congress, talking about shooting me, talking about hanging me. All I have to say is this. If you shoot me, you better shoot straight, there's nothing like a wounded animal.
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CABRERA: Joining us now, former Democratic senator from California, Barbara Boxer.
So, senator, thanks for being with us. These protesters, they want change, but the reality remains that Republicans control the White House and congress, so to all these people, Democrats offer what in term of action?
BARBARA BOXER (D), FORMER CALIFORNIA SENATOR: We offer change. We offer a fighting spirit. We say we are going to fight for the heart and soul of this country. And that means we fight for our families. We lift up our children. We lift up all children. We don't grab them out of the arms of their mothers or fathers. We don't believe in this. And frankly, I never thought the Republicans did until now. Because they have a voice. And they are silent and all they do is pander to this President who is cruel. And this is not a cruel country. And we off that change. And it is a few months in November when people can march to the polls. That's key.
CABRERA: So is that what it comes down to, people have to work if they want change. They have to wait until the election in order to make the change to address what is happening in the situation after the border currently?
BOXER: No, the Republicans could do it tomorrow. They should in fact continue to not get fatigued and to keep it will telling these Republicans to change thing, but what have they done? They had a hearing on Hillary's emails instead of a hearing on how quickly we are going to reunite moms and dads with their children. And how it is that they still stick to zero tolerance, which means that families and children will be incarcerated in camps on military bases. But they go back to yell about Hillary Clinton.
The election is over. There's a new one coming. People should keep pushing. The Republicans run everything. You made the point. But if they don't move forward, which they won't, we have an election coming and change is coming.
CABRERA: Senator Elizabeth Warren is among the Democrats now calling for ICE to be abolished. We have also heard similar calls from Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, but listen to what Elizabeth Warren said today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: President's deeply immoral actions have made it obvious we need to rebuild our immigration system from top to bottom. Starting by replacing ICE with something that reflects our morality and values. (END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: Meantime, the President is pushing back, saying this is a radical idea, tweeting in part that ICE is doing a fantastic job keeping us safe, his words.
Is this an issue that Democrats can win on or is there danger here that they will play right into Trump's hands?
BOXER: I think they are smart. You heard Elizabeth. What she said is we need to replace ICE with something that makes sense. Something that senator Durbin said on your show, which is that they should be going after the criminals, not the babies. They should be going against the people who bring drugs in here, not the babies, not the moms. And the fact of the matter is they are not doing it.
Now here is the thing about ICE. Officers within ICE say ICE has such a terrible reputation. They want out. Those are the officers that are going after those criminals I talked about. So if they want out of ICE, you could be sure there's a reason to reform this.
Look, the President's going to say whatever, oh, there they go, they want open borders. Of course we don't want open borders. We want an immigration system that works for everybody. And that does not mean focusing on babies, 2,000 of whom have been ordered by a judge to be reunited and don't see it happening.
[19:10:48] CABRERA: Right. Some are as young as babies but others are a little older. Some of them are teenagers. I want to pivot though to the Supreme Court vacancy.
BOXER: Well, those came on their own. That's a separate -- that's a different issue.
CABRERA: Well, some of them came on their own. Others haven't. I know what you are saying though. But to your point.
BOXER: Go ahead.
CABRERA: There are some that ages, the age range of these separated children from their parents does vary. But let me talk about the Supreme Court thing.
BOXER: Well, what's the difference? When you were 13 years old and you were ripped away from your parents at that age, please. This is ridiculous. Parents and children belong together. And to argue that, that's a sad day in America.
CABRERA: Can we talk about the Supreme Court for a moment?
BOXER: Yes, we can.
CABRERA: Justice Kennedy's retirement, just announced this week. This gives President Trump now the power to change the make-up of the court for a generation. Perhaps longer. What is the Democrat's best play here? BOXER: That's great question. As you pointed out, we don't control
the majority of the Senate. The Senate has to advise consent, but this is an issue that has to be looked on by every single person in the Senate, Republican or Democratic. We can't turn the clock back.
You know, Justice Kennedy was not a progressive, but he was an independent thinker. A pragmatic conservative and there's no doubt in my mind because has said it, he's going to pull someone off the list of ideologues. And when you have an ideology on the court, they don't follow the constitution. They don't protect our freedoms. They follow a very rigid agenda, that they have adopted whether it's to take away a woman's right to choose or basically say business should Trump, I hate to use that word, labor in every case. And that we have no right to protect the air and the water because that's ideology. It's not the constitution.
So everyone has a stake. And I think the Democrats should slow this baby down as much as they can. Believe me, they are deciding how to do that, to engage the American people in all of this. Because we can have a set of judges that say, oh, it's fine to incarcerate moms and children. By the way, indefinitely, which is what Trump wants to do. The other thing is Trump has conflict of interest. He is under investigation. And this should be put off because there's a clear conflict here.
CABRERA: I want to get to this question because this is one of the keys of inviting you on to the talk with me. This is a year where we are potentially going to see a record number of women get into positions of being in office. Right now, take a look at these numbers. That's of this month. Around 50 women running for Senate. Nearly 400 are running for the house and 56 are running for governor. You have been there. You have been part of the quote-unquote boys club. If a solid number of these women win, how do you see Congress changing?
BOXER: Well, it becomes better because it becomes more representative. You know, if we just look at the House of Representatives, it's supposed to be representative of vote of the population. And when I got elected to the House so long ago, 1982, there were about 28 women out of 435. When I got to the Senate with senator Feinstein, it was called the year of the woman. We went from two to six and people said, oh, it's the year of women. We tripled our numbers.
We have a long way to go to become representative of this country. And I can guarantee you and I'm sure you would agree, whether it's in the news room or anywhere else. If you're selecting a story to look at, it's important to have men and women there. No one's better than anyone else, but we have a different lens through which we see life. And therefore, it speaks to different people whether you are a news organization or you are in the Senate or the House. It's very exciting.
Women do represent change still. It's too bad. I thought we would be there by now. We have had half the Senate, but we have got 20 percent. We have got about 20 percent or more. CABRERA: Yes, I can't agree more, though. Diverse perspectives make
a huge, huge difference in serving the public.
Thank you so much, former senator Barbara Boxer of California. We appreciate your time tonight.
And straight ahead here in the NEWSROOM, the retirement of Justice Kennedy leaves many landmark Supreme Court cases on a bit of shaky ground. Gloria Allred, the attorney who has represented Norma McCorvey, better known as Jane Roe joins me live and what she thinks about so many now declaring Roe v. Wade doomed.
[19:19:28] CABRERA: The Supreme Court shake up putting abortion rights supporters in panic mode over Roe versus Wade. Justice Anthony Kennedy is looming retirement may put at risk the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion rights.
Now, the case centered on Jane Roe, an unwed 21-year-old in Texas desperate to end an unwanted pregnancy. Her real name, Norma McCorvey, a high school dropout living in poverty. Jane Roe and her lawyers finally winning for all U.S. women the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy.
My next guest represented the woman known as Jane Roe in the years following. That landmark decision and joining us now, Gloria Allred, former attorney for Norma McCorvey.
Gloria, can you still believe that this is still a question, still under threat for a potential new Supreme Court in 2018.
[19:20:16] GLORIA ALLRED, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR NORMA MCCORVEY (JANE ROE): Yes, I can, Ana, and it has been under threat. Ever since the 1973 United States Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade, in which the United States Supreme Court found that a woman has a constitutional right to choose abortion at certain stages of her pregnancy, and that that right cannot be interfered with by the state. Because a woman has a constitutional right to personal liberty and that -- and to decisions for example about her family life, about procreation and ultimately about contraception and other personal decisions, and that personal liberty, which is guaranteed by the 14th amendment, cannot be interfered with by the state. And it has been challenged and challenged again, ever since 1973. But the court has upheld Roe v. Wade against many challenges.
So now, President Trump, who wants to perhaps appoint or nominate a Supreme Court justice who would be anti-choice, in his words pro-life, who would interfere with that Roe v. Wade decision which has been upheld time and time again by Republicans and by Democrats who have been appointed to the court. It is now threatened in a way that it's never been threatened before.
CABRERA: I'm curious how you got involved with Norma McCorvey a.k.a. Jane Roe. ALLRED: Well, I met her and she was very upset that she felt that she
had been an important part of the Roe v. Wade decision but that she was not being provided with a voice by the pro-choice movement and she was pro-choice at that time. And I felt that she had a right to have a voice, that that was an important decision by the Supreme Court and we should be able to hear from her.
And so I was helping her to have a voice. Of course ultimately, after a number of years, she became anti-choice. But we still maintain contact. She always indicated she had a very positive feeling towards me. And I understood she had her reasons, which I won't disclose for becoming anti-choice. But I remain pro-choice, because I myself had to have an abortion when it was before Roe v. Wade, when it was not legal for a doctor to perform it. But it was legal for a woman to have it. I almost died from an illegal abortion. That's why I remain committed to legal, safe, affordable abortions for women.
CABRERA: I mean, that's what they called a back alley abortion at that time.
CABRERA: I mean, do you worry about history repeating itself?
ALLRED: Yes, I do. And that's what is getting lost in this discussion. While we talk about the academic issue of Roe v. Wade, whether it will remain the law to have land with the appointment of the next Supreme Court justice, if the Senate confirms President Trump's choice, I worry about the real life impact it will have, especially on poor women, on young women, on rural women, on women who do not have these funds and young women to go out of the their states, to go try to find a state where abortion may be legal and safe.
Those are the real women who today still don't really have a voice and who will be heard and who may die as I almost did when I had to have that abortion by a back alley abortionist and was left hemorrhaging and almost dead and had to be taken to the hospital and packed in ice with a 106 degree fever.
These are the young women and the poor women who will be hurt. If there are more -- if there's more chipping away or even overturning of Roe v. Wade because it won't be abortion or no abortion. It will be abortion or illegal abortion. We cannot afford to have that dangerous impact on women ever again.
CABRERA: Gloria, I want you to listen to moderate GOP senator, Susan Collins of Maine.
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SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (R), MAINE: I view Roe v. Wade as being settled law. It's clearly precedent. And I always look for judges who respect precedent. When I evaluate judges, I always look at judicial temperament, qualifications, experience, the ABA rating and their respect for the rule of law and the constitution. Those are exactly the same criteria that I will apply to whomever the president nominates.
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[19:25:15] CABRERA: Gloria, how important are Senators Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, also a pro-abortion rights advocate, for the future of abortion rights in this country?
ALLRED: Well, I think the votes have Senator Murkowski and Senator Collins are absolutely crucial because we do know that the Republicans are the majority in the United States Senate. And so their voices are important. Their votes are important. And they understand the consequences. I'm sure they wouldn't call themselves pro-abortion. I'm sure they would call themselves pro-choice, because you know, as pro-choice people, we are not saying that women should have abortions or should not have abortions. We are saying they should have that choice. They should have the liberty to make the choice for themselves and not have the government, not have senators sitting in the United States Senate in Washington or legislators in state legislatures make that choice.
So their votes are crucial. We are going to be watching them very carefully. And the concept that, let the decision stand. It's a legal concept called stare decisis. The United States Supreme Court has made that decision about Roe v. Wade time and time again. Let the decision stand.
CABRERA: All right. Gloria Allred, thank you very much for your perspective and expertise. We enjoy having you always.
ALLRED: Thank you very much, Ana.
CABRERA: Coming up, travel ban. Kennedy retirement. Trump back candidate come out on top. For the President, this was a week of wins, so it's no surprise. Trump is bragging a little. Trump's biographer Michael D'Antonio joins us live next.
[19:31:20] CABRERA: We have watched massive protests play out in cities across the country today over President Trump's immigration policy, but you wouldn't know there's unrest by looking at the President. His poll numbers are better than ever. He has a chance to cement his legacy and change the makeup of the Supreme Court for a generation. Republicans refuse to publicly go against him in any way. The President is in a powerful position and he knows it.
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TRUMP: You know, a year-and-a-half ago, they said I was an interloper. How bad is that, AN interloper? And now they say you will admit, a thing comes out, a couple of poll, a number of polls, that he is the most powerful, most popular Republican in the history of the party and a little while ago, I was an interloper.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: That Trump is very different from the one we heard a little over a year ago just a few months into his term.
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TRUMP: I love my previous life. I loved my previous life. I had so many things going. I actually, this is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier. I thought it was more of a -- I'm a details oriented person. I think you would say that. But I do miss my old life.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: I do miss my old life.
Let's bring in someone who knows President Trump and his old life well, CNN contributor, Michael D'Antonio. His book is called "the Truth about Trump."
Michael, good to see you. And congratulations. I understand you have a new grand baby in your family. That's so exciting.
MICHAEL D'ANTONIO, TRUMP BIOGRAPHER: Thank you.
CABRERA: So does it seem to you that the President has gone from missing his old life to now reveling in his power?
D'ANTONIO: I think when he is not considering Robert Mueller that he is happy in this new role. The trouble is at that shadow of investigation is always over him. And I think that is why we see him wavering, you know, sort of toggling between crowing about his successes and then throwing out angry remarks. This week, he was going after Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Fallon and Maxine Waters. So it almost at times looked like he wasn't doing all the winning that he was doing. And it was a very good week if you were Donald Trump because I think he has this latent anxiety about what's ahead.
CABRERA: About this new Supreme Court vacancy, the Donald Trump you knew in New York City was never this evangelical pro-life conservative. Do you feel like he's going to be comfortable being the guy that casts the person who reverses Roe v. Wade? Because that will be his legacy.
D'ANTONIO: Well, I think he will be comfortable doing that. The President made a bargain when he chose Mike Pence as his running mate. There's no one in American politics who is more adamantly opposed to Roe v. Wade. More determine to overturn it than vice President Pence. And he delivered to Donald Trump the evangelical base that he needed to win. And really, it's that base that is so enthusiastic. I think it's stuck with him. It embraced him despite his awfulness. You know, you have got these divorces in his background. The way he treated women. All the accusations against him.
They are willing to trade all of that for a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe. And I think that the President's not so committed on a moral level to any issue. He is transactional as we know. And if this is what is required then he is looking toward reelection already, he will do it. [19:35:06] CABRERA: Now, this is the first time you and I have talked
since Trump ended the family separation policy with his executive order. Were you surprised to see him back down from something?
D'ANTONIO: I was. Although we are now discovering I think that the fine print doesn't deliver the reversal in conduct that we were expecting at the border. There's still more than 2,000 children separated from their families. I think there was mother presented on CNN earlier today who was given a list of children who were supposedly hers as she was released and none of them were her kids.
So it's clear that, you know, he may have had second thoughts based on the politics and the, what he calls the pictures of all of this. But I'm not sure he is regretting the policy. And actually, this is what scares me a great deal. I think that he is willing to scapegoat and demonize immigrants and make people afraid in a way that would then justify a backlash if people protest.
So this isn't the playbook Steve Bannon has win written. He wants to provoke those of us who are morally concerned and outraged by this to go further than is reasonable and then be a justification for the President cracking down in ways that are even more disturbing.
CABRERA: Michael D'Antonio, thank you very much for joining us.
D'ANTONIO: Thank you, Ana.
CABRERA: Still to come, dramatic scenes continue to play out along the border, even as President Trump's immigration policy plays out in border patrol facilities. CNN rides along with border patrol for a look at what happens when people attempt to cross the United States between the border check points.
You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
[19:42:24] CABRERA: Thousands marched nationwide today calling for humanity to guide decisions in Washington to end separation of families at the border, to stop the zero-tolerance policy, to reunite children and parents.
Now I want you to hear directly from one immigrant family as to why they were willing to risk everything to come to America.
CNN's Nick Valencia was there on the U.S. Mexico border as smugglers brought them across the Rio Grande.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Through the tree brush, border patrol agent Robert Rodriguez spots what he says are three smugglers, preparing to launch a raft filled with migrants.
He says they are filming us he says. Along with agent Rodriguez, we followed the raft downstream. It is
there we see this, six Central American migrants, some of those who were on the raft, one of them traveling with his father is just three years old.
What are you looking for here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
VALENCIA: He is asking for asylum. Strangers would show up to his house, they would ask for money. And they would threaten him in front of his child, threatening to kill him and they were even -- he said they would even kill the 3-year-old.
You know there is people here that are very much against illegal immigration. They don't want people like you in the United States. What do you say to them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
VALENCIA: He says those people don't know what I have been through. They don't know what I go through nightly. They don't know what it is like to fear death.
This mother and her 13-year-old were also in a group holding back tears, she says she never wanted to leave Honduras. If it wasn't for MS-13, her son says they would have never left.
Why are you crying?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
VALENCIA: He said he didn't want to leave Honduras. That is why he is crying. He is really sorry for putting his mom in this position.
She said of course I would never let my son be captured there. So she is saying even though there is zero tolerance still in place, she said they would still cross. That's how much they have.
From here, the group would be taken to a processing center joining hundreds of others just like them. Even still, they are the lucky ones. Had they crossed just last week, the parents and children would have assuredly been torn apart by the U.S. government.
The scenes give a sense of what border patrol agents are up against every single day here along the U.S. Mexico border. It also gives us an understanding of what families are willing to put themselves through to keep from being killed in their homeland.
Nick Valencia, CNN, McAllen, Texas.
CABRERA: Coming up, a comedian makes a prank call and ends up talking to President Trump. And that's not even the craziest part of the story. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
[19:49:41] CABRERA: Call it a mile high security breach. A comedian pulls off a prank call on the President while he is onboard air force one. The comedian is John Melendez, a.k.a. stuttering John. He managed to convince the White House switchboard he was New Jersey senator Bob Melendez. Melendez, Menendez, so you see what is going on there. Well, before long he got a call back from the President.
[19:50:07] TRUMP: You know, I have a good relationship with the party. You have a good relationship with the party. And I think we can do a real immigration bill. We have to have security at the border. We have to have it. I mean, look, you got 60 percent of the country says you have to have security at the border. And that is good for the Democrats too. It is not like it is good for you or good for me. It is good for both of us. I'm tired of, you know, of the problems.
JOHN MELENDEZ, COMEDIAN: No, I understand that, but --
TRUMP: Go ahead.
MELENDEZ: No but -- I'm Hispanic, so I have to -- I'm sure you understand. I have to, you know, I have to look into my, you know, my people as well. You understand.
TRUMP: I agree, I agree.
CABRERA: Here is comedian stuttering John Melendez as himself describing how his Presidential prank call went down.
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MELENDEZ: I get a call from air force one and it is Jared Kushner. And I know it is Jared. I'm a political news junky. I actually do watch CNN all the time. And I know Jared's voice and it was definitely him. And he said to me I'm going in and out of my English accent. I'm like -- I answer, hey, hello. And then I go, oh, yes, hello, how you doing Jared. And then he says, well, I can get the President out of a meeting now or I can have him call you back in a few minutes. I said, oh, no, please have him call me back, you know, because I knew I had to call my friend in New York to record it. He said no problem. We will call you back.
Now I'm getting nervous. Now, I'm like this can't be happening. And sure enough, 20 minutes later, I get a call. It is from, you know, again I answer with my bad Long Island accent. And hello. And then, oh, yes, let me get the senator on the phone and I call my friend in New York. I get on the phone with Trump and Trump is just like Bob, I want to congratulate you. I didn't even know that Senator Menendez was in any legal problems. And really if they would have just screened me and asked me what party affiliation senator Menendez had or what state he represented, I would have been stumped because I had no idea anything about senator Menendez.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CABRERA: Can you even believe this?
I want to bring in CNN national security analyst Samantha Vinograd.
Sam, you worked for President Obama. I know you have been the person that has to patch through these calls to air force one. I mean, is it easier for something like this to happen than we may think?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: No. Tons of prank calls coming to the White House every day. And every day, the White House goes through a process to determine their authenticity and if they are worth the President's time to take. He typically has important work to do.
But what is important to note here is this was not a break down in White House process. We now know that White House staff called Menendez's office to ask why this call was happening. They said they were tracking it. They asked questioned about why there was an L.A. area code for this call when the sender is from New Jersey. They didn't feel that Jared Kushner didn't check with the legislative affairs team and made a rogue decision to put the President on this call. And what (INAUDIBLE) that hacking the President at this point is just child's play (ph).
CABRERA: So what is proper protocol?
VINOGRAD: Proper protocol is to contact a staffer that has the lead, so in this case it was a U.S. senator. So you would speak with your legislative affairs director. The call the senator's office which is sounds like they did to day what is the call about, why is he calling from a different number. And to make sure that everything was accurate. Then you call the plane. And whomever is traveling with the President says this call is coming through, this is our recommendation. In this case the recommendation is no and then it is over with. In this case, again, Kushner stepped in, went around White House protocol and really exposed the president to a lot of security risks.
CABRERA: What are those security risks?
VINOGRAD: Well, hacking and surveillance. I mean, normally, we worry about really been intelligence services like China or Russia going through what really advance processes to hack in to the President's phone. But we know on the ground, the President uses his personal cell phone. And at 50,000 feet, again, he could himself on with someone who could have been, let's say, a foreign intelligence officer. What would they possibly be kept talking and start talking about decisions that he was thinking about. He would have shared unnecessary information and sets himself up as a surveillance and hacking target. CABRERA: Sam, always good to have your advice and your expertise and
who would have thought. Thank you. See you soon.
All right, and of course, you have your weekend presidential brief tomorrow night here on Sunday around 6:45.
Up next on CNN, her story captivated the nation. And ten years after toddler Caylee Anthony was last seen alive, CNN searches for new answers. CNN special Report "Casey Anthony and the Summer of Lies" is next here on CNN.
I'm Ana Cabrera in New York. Thank you for spending part of your day with us. I will see you back here tomorrow night at 5:00 eastern.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm mad. I'm really mad.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, this was the summer of 2008.
[20:00:00] BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You need a president who is going to be fighting for you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You had a Presidential election coming up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People were losing their jobs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are angry and upset, frustrated.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From people who are in a bad way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So many extraordinarily important things were happening.