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HALA GORANI TONIGHT
Thai Youth Football Team Found Alive In Cave; Trump, Lopez Obrador Talk Border Security And Trade; Interior Minister Meets Merkel To Try To Resolve Row. Aired 3-3:30p ET
Aired July 2, 2018 - 15:00 ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Hala Gorani. Tonight, we begin with what is being called a miracle. They were trapped
for nine days in a flooded cave in Thailand with no word on their welfare. Twelve boys, very young teens and their football coach have been found
I want to show you the first dramatic moments when rescuers found them inside the cave. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What you hearing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many of you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen? Brilliant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two of us --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Many people are coming.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many, many people. We are the first. Many people come. What day?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What day is it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Monday. One week and Monday. You have been here ten days, ten days. You are very strong. Very strong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We come.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. I understand. We come. OK? We come.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Unbelievable. This is the first time I'm actually seeing this video of these kids all 12 of them and their coach found alive inside that
cave after ten days. It sounded to me like the rescuer who is shooting this cell phone video was British. He actually was asked by the kids and
the coach, will you get us out today?
He said, no, not today. Not to worry, though. There are many, many people who will come for you. You can see he's training his flashlight on them
and the poor kids, you know, they obviously -- this is a terrifying and traumatizing experience for them.
No telling how much food they've been able to eat, whether they took some snacks with them inside the cave, whether or not they had enough water. I
mean, presumably in the cave and because there was flooding that prevented rescuers from reaching them, they had access to water.
International teams have joined the desperate search for days. They battled these dangerous floodwaters before eventually as you can see there
reaching the team. For the loved ones of those trapped, the news is nothing sure of joyous, obviously, but it's almost impossible to imagine
what it must have been like.
Trapped with no lights, by the way. No flashlights that we could see, barely any food or clean water and what about the psychological trauma of
perhaps never being reached in time. Now these are happier times for these kids. This is a team photo.
The youngest of them, by the way, 11, just a little kid. Medical experts will now be sent in to examine the health of their coach and the enormous
challenge of getting them out can finally begin.
Let's get the very latest from Chang Rai in Thailand, CNN photojournalist, Mark Phillips is there. Mark, first of all, when can those kids be pulled
MARK PHILLIPS, CNN PHOTOJOURNALIST: that's the big question at the moment, Hala. They're being in the cave for ten days. We've had stories, rumors
that may take them 12 hours to get out. The problem is, the cave is we think still flooded.
So, they have to figure out a way of bringing the boys out through the flooded section and back to the main entrance and that's a bit hike about
five kilometers. It's not a short distance they have to travel.
So, that's the thing and also you have to be concerned about their health, how healthy are they? They've been in that cave for ten days. They
haven't eaten. We don't know what water they've had, if any. So, you know, it's big questions of how they're going to get them out and how long
it's going to take -- Hala.
[15:05:13] GORANI: I guess the question most people would have at this stage is if they can send nurses and doctors, if these two rescuers made it
to them, why can't they pull them out on their way back up?
PHILLIPS: Well, it is a treacherous journey. I mean, to get down there took them ten days to get down there and those caves, where they've gone to
are so narrow that they had to chip away at the side, so they can bring the divers through.
So, bringing them back -- you got to remember the water is not stagnant, this is running water and it's just difficult to get down there. It is --
Thai's have sent in a doctor and nurse and assess the boys and assess their health and see how they go and how they fare.
The families here are desperately waiting for them to come out and they're overjoyed with the news that they've been found -- Hala.
GORANI: Are they able to get water and food to them at this stage since now they pinpointed where they are?
PHILLIPS: I assume they would. They know where they are. They should be able to bring food and water up to them. But I think they want to be
assessed by the doctor first before what they take because they've been starving for ten days. I'm sure their bodies have to adapt to whatever
they're being given. But at the moment we're just waiting$, for any kind of news to see when they will be brought out and on what schedule they
GORANI: So, here in this video that we showed our viewers, we heard the rescuers voice and we heard I believe the assistant coach as well, the 25-
year-old who was with them. What did the children say? Did they relay the news of what the kids said when they finally realized that someone had
gotten to them to save their lives?
PHILLIPS: Well, I think the families found out fairly quickly. They -- the Thai authorities have been very good in dealing with the families and
given them information as soon as they get it, so we saw video of the families receiving the information and tears of joy coming from the
families after so long of not knowing what was happening, tears of joy.
The one funny thing about this is, the reason why it's British divers are the best in the world of actually cave diving. The Thai Navy SEALs here,
they're good, we're good with open water, we're not good with caves.
So that's why the Brits went in there first. That is amazing video because I feel that, you know, if it had gone much beyond day ten, then it may have
been a different story -- Hala.
GORANI: Well, as I was telling our viewers on Twitter before coming on air, for once, we have a breaking news story, a happy breaking news story.
We hope these kids get out as quickly as possible. Mark Phillips there near the cave site.
Let's get some perspective on the harrowing conditions faced by not only the boys and their coach, but also the rescue workers who themselves are in
a race against time. Butch Hendrick is a rescue diver who's worked all over the world. He joins me now from New York. So, Butch, talk to me
about your thoughts. Were you able to see this video?
BUTCH HENDRICK, RESCUE DIVER: No, I'm sorry, I was not able to, but I certainly was able to hear it. It's just incredibly wonderful.
GORANI: So essentially, if I can describe it, there are British rescuers who made it down or up, I mean, if you look at the map but into the cave,
deep enough to reach the kids. It doesn't appear they have their flashlights on them.
It doesn't appear that the kids or the coach have any light on them and they're basically saying to them, you're not going back out tonight. It
will take a few days. What -- talk to us a little bit about the process involved here in this case in getting to these children?
HENDRICK: First of all, as we said a couple of times. If you just think of picking up a glass coffee cup and trying to look through it, the water
was muddy, no visibility. They were going in in braille.
Using lights was basically almost a waste of time because it would have been like being in a snow blizzard. They had to lay lines in order to be
able to find their way in, keeping in mind the entire time the rescuers have to continuously preplan how they're going to get back out.
GORANI: Yes. And it took them all this time -- I'm not exactly clear, did it take them these rescuers ten days to get down there or did they go in
and back out through another passage way and then back in again or was this a ten-day continuous hike for them?
[15:10:07] HENDRICK: I think it's been a multiple of days. I'm not sure if it was a total of ten. But certainly, it has been a multiple of days
where they had to lay their way in, plan their way in. They had to move air stations so that they could continue to get deeper into the caves and
be able to get our rescuers back out.
So, as mentioned, the SEALs have been chipping away at the walls inside in order to make a larger space so that the divers with their equipment could
move forward. It's miraculously that all of the children are alive and the coach.
And now they're plan is going to have to be to medically stabilize them and basically start to plan which one gets to go out first. If they have to
come out underwater, my assumption would be as a commander that every one of these individuals cannot swim.
So, we have to make a plan on how we're going to get an air system on them, a full-face mask and then they'll be coming out holding on to someone else
who has to have a guide to help them out.
So, it's probably at least a two to three-person operation for each child once they get them mobile and ready to come out of the cave passing them
off through those narrow passages.
GORANI: So, first they have to stabilize them and assess them medically, then how long would it take to extract, I mean, in your estimation, I know
you're not part of this rescue, but would it take to extract 13 people from this deep inside a cave?
HENDRICK: I'm thinking that it could take if they were to work at operation, they'd have to make sure that each one was successfully out
before they started with the next one.
HENDRICK: Because if they suddenly had a problem they don't want to be halfway through the exit and realize they have to go back.
GORANI: I see. So, it could take a few days per person or --
HENDRICK: It could be multiple hours per person for sure based on the distance interior they are in the cave.
GORANI: That's unbelievable. So, right now, they have eyes them. They have video of the team and their coach, what is happening at the command
center? What's going on now?
HENDRICK: I would think that the command center, one, is congratulating their people for staying positive the entire time. Next is how are they
going to get the medical supplies and medical personnel in there and even though some of the medical individuals are scuba divers that doesn't mean
are they cave divers or necessarily capable of diving in water you can't see in. So, each one of those medical personnel are going to require a
guide of their own in order to get along the lines that they laid to get in there.
GORANI: Well, as the rescuer we heard on that video, you told the kids you are very strong. They didn't know what day it was. They were in the dark
the whole time. Figuring it had been a while, but they weren't quite sure how many days and the rescuer told them you were very strong. The youngest
Butch, thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. We'll speak again hopefully when the kids start coming out.
For more, I want to cross over to Bangkok. Jonathan Miller, journalist, Jonathan Millers, joins us now live. What are you hearing from where --
from your vantage point, from your position now on what happens next?
JONATHAN MILLER, JOURNALIST: Well, I've got a very bad line here. If the question is about what happens next, that is the real dilemma because the
governor of this province said today the boys are safe, which is great, but now this huge challenge faces them, how on earth to get these boys out.
You know, we know that they're down there about two miles down into this caving -- cave complex. It's a series of chambers linked by these very
narrow passage ways which dive one way down the other, up and down.
The divers have been going through this coffee colored zero visibility water, through these flooded submerged passage ways. You can't take a
bunch of teenagers out who haven't had the experience of that sort of diving.
So, they're hoping that you know with the aid of pumps and a bit of luck with dry weather that hopefully it'll create enough space to get them out.
But at the moment it looks like they're probably being treated in situ.
They'll have a medical evaluation. They'll be given food and checked over. It seems that they are all OK, which is great. This country is in agony
for the past nine days and now it's turned to ecstasy, but the problem isn't over, and that is exactly what the governor have warned tonight.
It's dangerous and the danger isn't over yet.
[15:15:06] GORANI: And can they drain the water? I read reports it's possible to drain the water to help the rescuers?
MILLER: Well, until now the rain has been coming down like torrentially. In monsoon season here in Thailand, anybody who's been here, will know what
it's like. It is absolutely nonstop rain when it starts.
They had a little reprieve here of about three days and tomorrow is going to be dry then more rain comes on Wednesday. The pumps that they've been
bringing in, some of the pumps they had to bring up from Bangkok, which they've used in the past to relief flooded areas of the city.
They've been pumping out the water as fast as they possibly can, but they haven't really managed to pump out enough, fast enough and they've managed
to sort of get out about 10,000 litters an hour and the water level has come down very slowly like a centimeter an hour or something. That's not
They deployed everything. They've gone from the scientific to the supernatural here. They've got their Navy SEAL divers and their pumps.
They've got geologists and they've got drones with infrared cameras trying to find fissures in the rocks they can drill down and that's been done
They've even got Buddhist monks and the supreme patriarch or the Buddhist Sanga here in Thailand held national prayers yesterday and it's been a
tremendously cathartic experience a country riddled with political differences.
It's a military dictatorship and here is something to tie all of them together. They were united together in wanting these kids out. They're
not out yet, but it's so far so good.
GORANI: Well, whatever they did if it was prayer, if you believe in that or science or the international rescue effort, it worked. They've been
located, and we hope they get out very soon. Jonathan Miller, thanks so much joining us in Bangkok.
We'll have more on this story later this hour, because, of course, it's all about getting these kids medically stabilized. I'll be speaking to a
doctor about issues these kids and their coach will be dealing with.
And we also have other headlines we're following including the fire brand populist who says his country won't be pushed around. The new president-
elect of Mexico is laying out his agenda and relations with the U.S. could get even more interesting.
In Germany, a single meeting could determine the country's future. We're live in Berlin with details after the break.
GORANI: I want to turn now to a big election that happened over the weekend. Mexico's president-elect, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, talked
with the American president, Donald Trump, today. Afterward, Trump said the U.S. and Mexico could negotiate their own trade deal outside of NAFTA.
[15:20:08] Lopez Obrador says he touted development projects that would mean more jobs and fewer migrants. He is a leftist populist who campaigned
against corruption and crime. On the campaign trail, Lopez Obrador said Mexico wouldn't be the pinyata of foreign government apparently meaning the
country wouldn't be beaten up. So, can they find common ground?
Patrick Oppmann joins me live from Mexico City. So, talk to us about Lopez Obrador. He's on the left of the political spectrum, but he rode this
antiestablishment populist wave.
We've been seeing it in so many elections. Whether it's on the left or on the right, these politicians, and this isn't his first run. These
politicians are successful when they fight, when they portray themselves as going against the established class.
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There's a slogan in this election it's about the corruption, stupid, Lopez Obrador was able to tackle the subject
better than anybody else because he's somebody who lives frugally.
He says he will sell the fleet of the very expensive jets the Mexican president has had and use the presidential palace not as his home but as a
place where citizens can come and use it as a public park and continue to live frugally.
He's called on his relatives and people who came and helped him achieve power to not strike deals as so many do in the past when somebody who is in
their orbit becomes president. The people around him need to be cleaner than clean and that is a big change for Mexicans.
Let's go back to this phone call. It's so interesting because one thing that came out from the White House when President trump spoke to reporters,
but AMLO as he's known just tweeted out that he suggested President Trump should consider investing in Mexico and it's kind of a dig at the idea of a
And he said, if you invest in Mexico, that would be less people would need jobs, less people would be crossing the border, despite that it seems like
it was a very civil call at least for the time being -- Hala.
GORANI: Interesting. So, did they discuss the wall or any of those contentious, you know, these issues, these controversies that the president
of the United States has eve on the campaign trail sort of whipped up against Mexico, certainly the insults with certain Mexicans?
OPPMANN: Exactly. Every time he talked to the current president, President Enrique Pena Nieto, it does not appear because certainly Lopez
Obrador is not somebody who liked the current president is kind of taken this issue lying down or is trying to keep it behind closed doors, he said
the wall is a human rights violation.
Last night when he accepted the presidency, he said that he wanted to have a good relationship with the U.S. and that he would try to seek common
issues. There's a bit of a honeymoon. How long if that last, I'm sure if the wall gets brought up, again, Lopez Obrador will have to fire back
because this is an issue that came up.
When it did come on the campaign trail that he said he was dead against and that he would defend Mexico with dignity saying the current president had
not and that he would be more vocal about that.
GORANI: Patrick Oppmann live in Mexico City, thanks very much.
There are new charges against the disgraced movie mogul, Harvey Weinstein. They relayed to an alleged forcible sex act as well as two counts of,
quote, "predatory sexual assault."
His attorney says Weinstein will plead not guilty to these new charges. Weinstein already faced earlier charges including two counts of rape. He
pleaded not guilty to those charges last month.
A single meeting could decide the fate of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel's fragile government. Her coalition is hanging in the balance. Her
interior minister says he may quit, not only that rule, but also his position as leader of the Conservative Christian Social Union.
The two have clashed over her policy on migrants. They met just hours ago in a final attempt to resolve it. This comes days after a notable win for
Ms. Merkel. On Friday, the European Union reached a deal of sorts on how to handle its migrant crisis.
Atika Shubert is live for us in Berlin. So, is Angela Merkel going to survive here? Are her coalition partners satisfied That she's come close
enough to their position on migrants?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, her other coalition partner support her completely. The only one that doesn't seem
to support her at this point is the interior minister. Even members within his own party have openly supported Merkel's position on migration.
[15:25:07] Saying that at this point it's about the unity of the government meaning intact and the union between the Christian Social Union and
Merkel's party, the Christian Democrats, a union that has been going on for the last 70 years.
It seems to be a spat between the two-party leaders that has become deeply bitter and personal at this point. In fact, just a short while ago, the
local newspaper here actually quoted the interior minister as saying, I will not be dismissed by chancellor, who is only chancellor because of me.
Which is quite a dubious claim given both parties lost quite a few votes over the last election, but just goes to show how deeply personal this
GORANI: So, it's only the individual, not the party clashing with Angela Merkel?
SHUBERT: Not at this point, but I think what's key here is that if the minister resigns, he may be expecting his party to pull out with him. Now
whether or not that will happen or whether or not that's the dispute that's currently happening within the CSU is other matter.
And that's what Merkel is looking for, whether or not the CSU will go with him or if they will stay and simply come up with an alternative interior
minister then her coalition government will be safe for now.
GORANI: So, how vulnerable is she? I mean, could her coalition disintegrate? Could Merkel fall, essentially?
SHUBERT: I think it's a long shot that she would fall at this point. What we know for now is that so far, she's in a stronger position than she was
two weeks ago. She does seem to have at least nominally the support of some members of the CSU. She has the full backing of her own party as well
as the social Democrats in the coalition.
And if the coalition should for some reason or the other fall apart, she could even pick up another partner to replace the Christian social union.
So, there are alternatives for Merkel to explore if he resigns and if he should take the party with him. But at this point it's not clear that
either possibility will turn out that way.
GORANI: All right. Safe for now. Atika Shubert, thanks so much joining us from Berlin.
Still to come tonight, all eyes are on Thailand as teenage football players and their coach are found alive in a cave after almost ten days. Now, they
have to be rescued. We'll have an update.
GORANI: A reminder of our incredible breaking news this hour. After being trapped for nine days in a flooded cave in Thailand, 12 boys and their
football coach have been found alive. This was the moment rescuers first reached the boys.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Brilliant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many of you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirteen?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brilliant.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: Well, teams from China and Australia had joined the operation. These were British rescuers who first got to the boys. They battled tight
spaces and dangerous floodwaters and while the boys and their coach are remarkably alive, they are understandably said to be in a very weakened
condition. The youngest boy is just 11. Medical experts will be sent in before the enormous challenge of getting everyone out again and that that
operation can begin.
Let's get the latest from the scene. Reuters journalist, Panu Wongcha-um is on the line with me. So, Panu, talk to us about -- because everyone
wants to know when can we start pulling the boys out. What are you hearing?
PANU WONGCHA-UM, JOURNALIST, REUTERS: Exactly. This is the next step and this is what everyone is anticipating right now and wondering what would be
the medical assessment from the Thai medical team that went into the cave to assess the boys and their coach to see what sort of condition they are.
Now, there's already indication outside the cave from prime minister officials saying that despite this discovery, the draining operation that
you can actually hear behind my background, the draining operation of water from the cave continues because part of the cave is still very much flooded
and it took elite diver teams from around the world, from Thailand, from Australia, from the U.K., from the U.S. and China, this long to get to
them, so it's also very difficult for them to get out as well especially if they are in a weakened state. So we actually have to hear first what their
condition is medically, but already there's indication that there'll be some time to wait before they can be reunited with their families.
GORANI: And did the boys say anything? I mean, I didn't understand. I know the rescuers were British. I heard some of the boys say -- I mean
respond to the rescuer. Do we know what they said, these boys, they must be so terrified.
WONGCHA-UM: We can hear in English they asked where they from and the rest speaking in Thai dialect amongst themselves. One kid may have been saying
something along the line of, you know, how long has it been or when can we go home, but, of course, the diver has said that, you know, it'll be some
time before they can leave the cave.
The key -- the key thing now is, of course, this draining of water operation but at the same time the preparation, the medical preparation
outside of it -- rehabilitation and already throughout the last few days there has been medical drills conducted by Thai authorities as well as
hospital being allocated to look after the boys. So, we'll have to see, but it seems that all over the past few days, the team here with a massive
amount of people have been really preparing for this moment and when this unbelievable moment arrived, everyone is kind of very happy and then now
they're getting back to work.
GORANI: All right. Certainly. And we would like that to happen as quickly as possible. Thanks very much, Panu Wongcha-um. The Reuters
journalist who's there on the scene who's been covering this story there outside that cave.
We still don't know the condition of those trapped but medical teams are trying to assess that right now to help rescuers devise a strategy for
getting them out. Medical analyst Dr. Seema Yasmin is a fellow at Stanford University. Thanks for joining us, doctor.
So first of all, they've been in that cave for close to 10 days now in the dark, no sense of time, it appears. They even asked the rescuers what day
is it, how long they've been in. What happens to people when they're trapped for so long in these -- under these conditions?
SEEMA YASMIN, CNN MEDICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Right, Hala, and it's great to talk to you about a miraculous discovery and some good news. And one thing we
know is the psychological impact on them can occur in different stages. So first, we know that they've been trapped underground in these incredibly
deep and dark large chambers. So there's a fear of being, 11, 12, 13 and not knowing if you're going to make it or if anyone will ever find you.
But we also know that there is a psychological impact of then being discovered and just having that fear and anxiety and wondering when, how,
or even if you'll ever be rescued because we know here that there are rising water levels and rising mud levels that do pose an impediment to
those wanting to rescue those children and their coach and they might also have an understanding that it might be tricky to get them out of there. So
there's still that trauma.
[15:35:16] And so much of what we've learned about awful situations like this actually come from 2010 with the Chilean mining disaster. Thirty-
three adult miners were trapped for two months which was an unprecedented amount of time, but we learned that once they were rescued, we wanted them
to go back to having a normal, healthy life and they couldn't because they'd become the subject of national and even international news and so
that's something we need to anticipate with this soccer team as well.
GORANI: And it's just heartbreaking, the ages. I mean, these are small kids. I mean, when you say teenager you might think 17, 18. The youngest
is 11. It's a child, really, and to imagine them, they're in the dark, huddled, terrified not knowing if anyone would find them is heartbreaking.
Physically, what's the impact of being in the dark for nine, 10 days like this?
YASMIN: So one of the impacts is a loss of your circadian rhythm because you can't differentiate between night and day, which sounds like a really
trivial thing but it's so important to many of our biological functioning. That can impact sleep patterns. Of course, they haven't had much food or
water either and those become actually pressing medical concerns even once they are rescued. There's a thing called refeeding syndrome. So if
someone hasn't had food or water for a while, the temptation is to give them as much as possible but that can backfire and cause more problems. So
there's a lot to contend with here, both physically but also psychologically.
GORANI: So I mean, I'm presuming that because they were in a cave that was flooded that they had access to water, but as far as food is concerned,
they may have just a few snacks on them. What happens when you spend 10 days without any food at all?
YASMIN: Absolutely. So you can start to go into a starvation mode and they may have had water, but I don't know if it was potable water and if
they were able to drink it. And then of course there might be health concerns associated with them drinking water that wasn't suitable for
consumption, but them just needing to try and stay hydrated. So there are many impacts of that of not having food, not having water and those will
have to be really carefully monitored.
One of my concerns though is looking back to that Chilean mining disaster and seeing that when those men were followed up even a year or two later,
and these are adults we're talking about, they were depressed, they were anxious, they were broke. They were having trouble forming relationships
and a lot of that can occur if you don't get the right physical and psychological support straight after. So we really need to emphasize that
they do get that.
GORANI: And so they're going to send a doctor and a nurse, I believe, at least one nurse who have diving certificates to them. If you're a doctor
and you examine someone who's been nine, 10 days trapped in a cave like this, what is your first priority?
YASMIN: So you're doing triage and you're trying to different between the 12 and 13 of them who needs what kind of medical attention. At first, you
were just doing quite basic things like measuring heart rate and breathing rate and blood pressure. I don't know if any of those children have
diabetes, for example, or if they asthma and they need access to regular medications but really at that point when it's just you, one doctor with
one nurse it's quite a preliminary medical exam and your priority is to get them out of there. I really hope that those water levels and mud levels
don't impede the rescue mission from happening really soon.
GORANI: Right. We certainly hope so and we were hearing from an expert that they would have to pull each one out individually, that they couldn't
pull them out altogether, that they'd have to get one all the way out and then get another one, so they couldn't do these at the same time or one
after the other.
YASMIN: Yes, tricky.
GORANI: I wonder the psychological impact of seeing one go and then the second and third to those left behind.
YASMIN: Right. And then being perhaps the last one and not knowing if something is going to happen that prevents the rescue mission from
continuing. So all of that impacts mental health, not just being last and then not knowing how many days you've been there that even during the
rescue missions, there are concerns and then afterwards for a long time, you know, we know that there can be flashbacks and post-traumatic stress
disorder that can even be triggered in an instant like this from a kid then going into a dark room or a pantry or a basement and all these emotions and
that fear can come flooding back. So it's really important that we put all that science into action because we know the mental health intervention
that can really help people thrive after traumatic events like this. We just have to make sure that everybody gets them.
GORANI: Yes. Well, we had the whole country pulling for them and so many people waiting for them on the other side. But as you said with the
Chilean miners, a year later they all weren't doing so great. Dr. Yasmin, thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.
YASMIN: Thank you, Hala.
GORANI: Now to U.S. Politics. The attorney long known as Donald Trump's fixer is breaking his silence with some eyebrow raising remarks. You'll
remember this face. We covered the news surrounding Michael Cohen many days. He's under criminal investigation for his business dealings by
federal authorities in New York. His case was a referral from the special counsel investigating the Trump campaign's alleged ties to Russia. Now,
Cohen tells ABC News his first loyalty is to family and country, signaling he may be willing to cooperate with prosecutors. He also dramatically
broke from President Trump's attacks on the FBI saying, I don't agree with those who demonize or vilify the FBI. I respect the FBI as an institution
as well as their agents.
[15:40:43] Mr. Trump hasn't said anything publicly about Cohen's remarks. Today, the president is hosting the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte at the
White House. They briefly talked to reporters a short time ago. Mr. Trump denied reports he's looking to exit the World Trade Organization but did
warn some changes could be coming.
Let's bring in CNN White House reporter Stephen Collinson for more. He is live in Washington. Let's talk about what Michael Cohen said and the
implications potentially on the investigation.
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Hala, that's really fascinating, the fact that Michael Cohen has broken his silence at this
moment. A lot of people are now trying to decipher what exactly his motivation is. Is he sending a message to the prosecutors in New York that
he's now ready to testify to the government, potentially flip and testify against the president, let federal authorities into some detail about what
he knows not just about what took place in the 2016 election, but about that payment that was made to the adult film actress Stormy Daniels to buy
her silence about her alleged affair with the president and potentially about the dealings of the Trump administration over many years with which
he was very familiar before Donald Trump even went into politics, so that's a really fascinating development.
Some people are even questioning whether Cohen is actually sending a message to the president himself, perhaps even fishing for a pardon. We
don't know exactly what Cohen knows and what the government authorities believe they have on him. But the fact that this was a raid, this case
started with a raid on the personal attorney of the president of the United States suggests that the president may have something to worry about if he
does indeed agree to cooperate with prosecutors.
GORANI: The president is also talking about reports that he may be considering exiting the world trade organization, which a year ago would
have sounded preposterous, but after the president has pulled the U.S. from so many international deals doesn't sound so far-fetched anymore.
COLLINSON: Right. And especially in the wake of that G7 summit in Canada which was a debacle and it appears to have accelerated the president's
attacks on international organizations. It's no secret that Trump believes that the international trading system is setup and is bias against the
United States. Effectively he says, basically all of the U.S. trading partners are ripping the United States off and raiding its piggy bank, but
the reports this week kind of the United States was considering pulling out of the World Trade Organization. I mean, that takes it, as you say, to
another level. It doesn't seem very likely in practice that the U.S. would pull out simply because it would need a vote in the senate and the house on
a resolution to exit that doesn't seem very likely to pass. But it's a clear sign this discussion that the president is trying to get more
unilateral powers over managing U.S. trade relationships around the world. We've seen escalating tariffs against the European Union. We're going to
see more tariffs against China this week and I think is all part of the mix that's coming to a head before the president heads to his next trip abroad
which is to Europe in about 10 days which would include a meeting with those same leaders that he clashed with in Canada. The NATO summit in
GORANI: Right. And he'll be coming our way as well, though avoiding central London, so he'll meet with the queen, he'll meet with the prime
minister, all of that outside of central London where there will be big protests against the American president.
Thanks very much Stephen Collinson.
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[15:45:35] GORANI: It looks like something out of a movie. Near Paris, France justice ministry says a prison escape yesterday in a helicopter was
planned using drones that observed the premises beforehand. The jailbreak saw one of the country's most notorious criminals escaped, not for the
first time, but the second time in five years. Nearly 3,000 cops are now hunting for him and his gang. Melissa Bell has more.
MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, tonight, Redoine Faid remains at large and the subject of a massive police hunt here in France. There's
also an investigation that's been open to try and workout precisely how this most brazen of prison breaks might have been allowed to happen.
BELL: Apparently filmed from behind bars, CNN cannot independently verify this video but these shaky images appear to show the moment's gunman
arrived to free this man, Redoine Faid, France's most notorious gangster. France's justice minister says that drones were likely used for recognizant
by what she described as an extremely well-prepared command of groups. On Sunday, the group hijacked a helicopter and forced the pilot to fly to a
prison near Paris. There, they staged diversion then smuggled the 46-year- old out of a visiting room before fleeing by air. Police later found the burnout chopper in an area northwest of Paris. The pilot was released
unharmed but in shock. The fugitive and his men were nowhere to be found.
Sunday's spectacular escape is shockingly not the first for this criminal mastermind. In 2013, Faid held four guards at gunpoint at a detention
center in the northern city of Lille. He then burst his way to freedom detonating explosives to destroy five fortified doors, a witness described
the dramatic scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I first saw a prison guard walk by followed by someone dressed in civilian clothes. He was holding a gun
to the guard's head.
BELL: At the time, Faid's lawyer said he was not surprised that his client had broken out.
JEAN-LOUIS PELLETIER (through translator): It is also a young man remarkably intelligent and he is using his intellect to serve his ambitions
and I think he has so many years in prison behind him that he thought it was one too many.
BELL: The Frenchman is a self-styled modern-day gangster often taking inspiration, he says, from Hollywood movies. He once wore a hockey mask
during a heist like Robert De Niro's character in "Heat" then brazenly attacked armored trucks and other targets. But for those who suffered his
bravado, he is a real life villain. The parents of a French policewoman who was killed in one of Faid's robbery attempts, say they're devastated by
the news, according to CNN affiliate BFM. Now that Redoine Faid is free and once again the subject of an international manhunt, his victims will
have to wait for justice.
BELL: And that wait for justice, Hala, might last some time. The last time Redoine Faid escaped from prison, it took authorities a month and a
half to get their hands on him once again. Tonight, nearly 3,000 police officers are out searching for the man who was already France's most
notorious criminal, but who's now become that bit more notorious still.
[15:50:05] GORANI: Thank you, Melissa.
Let's stay in France and move from the bad guys to one of the good guys. You'll remember this. France's so-called Spiderman in May, Mamoudou
Gassama's remarkable rescue of a child dangling from a balcony won him French citizenship overnight. Internet stardom and a job as a firefighter.
Well, on Sunday, he began his new role with the Paris fire brigade. There he is in the group picture among -- he is one of 24 new recruits. Good for
More to come including Brazil avoids an upset with a win over Mexico at the World Cup. But Japan is giving big guns Belgium a scare and there's only
1:30 left in extra time. We'll be right back.
GORANI: It's been a tournament of giant upsets, but five-time World Cup winners Brazil avoids going the way of Germany, Argentina, Portugal and
Spain at the World Cup. Brazil beat Mexico two nail, thanks to goals from Neymar and Firmino and that sets up a quarterfinal meeting with either
Belgium -- well, it will be Belgium, right? Because Belgium just scored in the last minute beating Japan three-two. The final second round games take
place tomorrow when Switzerland plays Sweden and England takes on Colombia. The knockout games have been brilliant so far but perhaps the biggest
surprise came on Sunday when Russia eliminated Spain. Hard to believe, but they did it and this was the scene in Moscow the moment the Russians won a
penalty shootout. A victory all the more extraordinary because they started the tournament as the lowest ranked team and the players can't
believe it either. Here they are celebrating in the locker room after making the last point. This is the furthest that the Russians have gone in
the World Cup since the days of the Soviet Union.
Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow. So Fred, we've all had kind of half an eye on the Belgium/Japan game and yet another just, you know, just incredibly
FRED PLEITGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hala, I always wonder whether you guys just call me on when there's crazy games going on because that seems to be
the case every time that I talk about the World Cup. And it's again, the case this time. I mean, watching that game was just absolutely insane.
The Belgians came out with this barrage. I think one of our sports guys was saying right now, the Japanese were just surviving in the first half
because there was this massive onslaught by the Belgians which of course we know, are one of the best teams in this tournament, who were picked by many
to possibly win this tournament.
But then in the second half, the Japanese came out and just suckered punched the Belgians twice insanely quick. Right after halftime and then
right again shortly afterward, scoring two really quick goals and that's when you could see that Belgian machine just go into action. They scored
two goals pretty quickly and just now that crazy finish with, I think it was the 94th or 95th minute that Belgian then scored the go-ahead goal and
now the game is done. So we know that Belgium has advanced but they certainly got a good game and a good scare though from the Japanese.
Really, really sad for them because they really fought their hearts out.
[15:55:00] GORANI: And the goalkeeper, the Japanese goalkeeper was making some amazing saves as well.
Let's talk about Russia. That's where you are, the host nation and they -- I imagine partied like crazy after that win, even though they were the
lowest ranked team starting out.
PLEITGEN: Well, I think because they were the lowest ranked team starting out and I think no one in Russia believed that their team was going to get
this far. I mean, let me put just it this way, Hala, I -- after this match -- first of all, I watched it, it was absolutely exciting. I was in the
stadium. I watched the penalty shootout. The Russian goalkeeper, Akinfeev, I think is going to get free beer at any pub he walks into here
in Russia for the rest of his life just because of that last save. We went on to the streets of Moscow and we were there until past 1:00 a.m. and the
whole streets, I mean, it was just an absolute party zone and that's not something that regularly happens here. It was a really positive vibe just
people absolutely insanely happy because on the one hand, I mean, we keep talking about the fact they were the lowest ranked team, but we keep having
to mention that they played against Spain and Spain certainly were better as far as possession was concerned but just couldn't finish it for the
largest part of the game and the Russians just swooped in and somehow made it to the penalties, really defended all they could and then managed to
take that game, certainly by far, the biggest achievement for a Russian or soviet team in a very, very longtime, maybe forever and having the World
Cup here in this country, having the Russian team still in it, certainly, is amazing for the vibe that we've been getting from the Russians. I think
foreigners who are here rooting for their teams are getting as well. It's a massive party and it's a very, very good vibe that's going on here, Hala.
GORANI: And we didn't see Vladimir Putin in the -- we saw the Spanish king, Dmitry Medvedev. Where was Putin in all this?
PLEITGEN: We saw Dmitry Medvedev, but the one who was really cheering was actually Dmitry Medvedev wife who got up when the Russia scored the
penalty. I think she jumped over him and was in the mainframe. He wasn't there. He wasn't at the game. Not sure of why he didn't turn up, whether
or not he wanted sports to be a first and not have politics sort of interfere with it. I think Gianni Infantino that the FIFA was at the --
was at the match as well. So it was quite star-studded. But Vladimir Putin not there and yet the nation is celebrating.
GORANI: Thank you, Fred Pleitgen. Quickly, this is the video of what, of Belgium winning.
PLEITGEN: It looks like. Let me see. I got a little bit of a delay here. Yes, yes. There we go. Yes. That's definitely the last goal. Wow. What
GORANI: Well, we're going to leave you with that. Thanks, Fred, and we're going to talk to you tomorrow. We'll see if England pulls it off.
I'm Hala Gorani. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is next.