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[05:00:00] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for joining us. I'm Becky Anderson in London. Welcome back to CNN special coverage of US President Donald Trump's visit to the United Kingdom. While he is participating this hour in a military display at Sandhurst Military Academy, bypassing the protest due to start soon in London, then he'll head to the prime minister's country residence, Chequers, for bilateral toll.
So let me tune will be, well, potentially very all could intense late last night in Britain just as he was wrapping a black tie dinner with Theresa May, tabloid newspaper, the Sun's publishing a saving interview in it. Mr. Trump says the UK is losing its culture as the immigration blame the mayor on London for terrorism and slams Theresa May's Brexit strategy.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The deal that she's striking is not what the people voted on. It's a much different deal that the people voted on. It was not the deal that was in the referendum.
I've been hearing this over the last three days. I guess, you've been just hearing about it over the last days. I know they have a lot of resignations. So a lot of people don't like it.
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ANDERSON: White House trying to soften that blow saying, and I quote, "The President likes and respects Prime Minister May very much as he said in his interview with the Sun. She is a very good person and he never said anything bad about her." He thought she was great on NATO today and is a really terrific person. He is thankful for the wonderful welcome from the prime minister here in the UK."
Well, International Diplomatic Editor, Nic Robertson is outside the US ambassador's residence noon wouldn't feel how. Well, Mr. Trump and the first lady stage last night and say, some mopping up, you could call it by the White House this morning. And reaction to what was said to the Suns and what is any exclusive interview. Nic, how much damage will this have done to relation ahead of what are this -- we might have said, yesterday crucial bilateral talks with Theresa May.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: They remain crucial. I mean, the relationship between the United States and Britain will endure both of these leaders. And Theresa May is quite pragmatic enough to view the situation in that way.
But yes, I mean, look what you would get the impression that despite what Sarah Sanders said that President Trump outranks her and certainly will do in Theresa May's mind. So when the pair meet today, it must be on the basis that really President Trump frankly seems to want to torpedo any chance that they could get along.
Theresa May had wanted to use this time in the UK to remind President Trump about the number of jobs that British businesses create in the United States more than a million across the whole of the united states. She wanted to get that point to cross that she was worried that President Trump might be upset in the -- while he was in the UK by seeing the protest, might be angered by that.
But this is move things to a whole another level. So I don't think that they're particularly is a comeback from this for Theresa May with President Trump.
Of course she'll put a good faith on it. Of course, she'll put forward to him what the British Brexit position is under her and why she believes that's a good position and why it could be a good position for the United States. That is no surprise for her because she was asked this question at the House of Commons on Monday and answered it that, yes, her new Brexit strategy means it will be tougher for Britain to do business in the United States independence of European Union regulations. She knows all of that already.
But the relationship, the personal one, it's hard to see how it recovers. Obviously what should be focusing is coming out of this and being at a way by the President Trump and still being able to hang on to her leadership, just as he has said.
You know, Boris Johnson who resigns from foreign secretary on Monday would make a good prime minister. Terribly, terribly unsettling, bad timing, hard to imagine that an American president would come here and do this to a British prime minister.
ANDERSON: Well, it's not the first time a US president has come to UK and gotten involved in politics and this is not the first time that a US president has gotten involve in the politics of Brexit. Obama did it here when he talks about the UK would be at the back of the queue of course.
[05:05:09] Nic, standby, I've got in Inderjeet Parmar, Professor of International Politics at City University with me. May has wrecked Brexit, US fill is off. He's right, actually, doesn't he? He's right --
INDERJEET PARMAR, PROFESSOR OF INTERNATIONAL POLITICS, CITY UNIVERSITY: Well --
ANDERSON: -- the soft Brexit plan which is what she has proposed in her white paper --
ANDERSON: -- means likely she wouldn't be cutting bilateral deals with the US.
PARMAR: Well, I think the idea of Brexit itself was a lot more complicated. And I think the referendum allowed it to be. Yes or no, they've also whatever was probably never going to be a very simple thing in any case.
But I suspect that needs that is that soft Brexit does come through and the custom's union where the arrangements remain in place that is going to be -- get more difficult with the US. On the other hand the UK has some protections as a result of having that relationship with the EU.
ANDERSON: Donald Trump's interview with the Sun newspaper is being called an extraordinary intervention in domestic British politics. Extraordinary as it may be. Have you actually said anything that isn't being said out loud by Theresa May's opponents present.
PARMAR: Well, not really but having the leader of those so called free world the most powerful state in the world. It strengthens whichever tendency. It tends to trend in those tendencies when they speak out in favor of those.
So it does add confidence to them and it suggests to them that we can now use this as lever. So when you're negotiating with the soft Brexit is you can say, well, if we don't do something more we won't going to get this trade deal, and that relationship with the United States will suffer. So that gives them a bit of more lever, I would say in how they negotiate within the conservative government.
ANDERSON: During this very same interview, he picks Boris Johnson as a future prime minister. He praise the former foreign secretary, describing him as a very talented guy adding I like him a lot. He said I was saddened to see he was believing government. I hope he goes back in at some point.
This all through of course Boris Johnson, hailing Trump as somewhat he would've caught a better deal than the prime minister ever would. That was only weeks ago. It's slightly pondering in my guess and perhaps as the reason why we've had such glowing sort of reference for --
ANDERSON: -- Boris Johnson.
PARMAR: Well, Boris Johnson is not everybody's guarantee, but I would say probably that he has writing his assessment that someone who uses the rhetorical strategies are, also that kind of President Trump, would probably get slightly better terms. But he forgets that the United States get better terms not just because of rhetoric because they have a massive economy, a powerful dollar, and a powerful military as well.
ANDERSON: What is the last time we had to caught a decent deal as a country given on membership of the EU. I mean, is there -- when I say we, obviously I'm British (INAUDIBLE). I think the UK had called a decent deal. And is there an argument that suggest that they aren't enough qualified dealmakers --
ANDERSON: -- in around this British prime minister, a person to get his Brexit deal right.
PARMAR: Right. I don't think there's any hardcore highly experience negotiators, trade negotiators for Britain since the 1970s. And that is because the EU with European Commission and so on, that will be organizing those on United States side. Of course, President Trump appointed immediately to office as his Chief Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer.
He was the one who was appointed by President Reagan in the 1980s and slap on steel tariffs and others on Japan at that time because Japan was seen as a big threat. So what --
ANDERSON: Back in the EU.
PARMAR: -- is totally a symmetrical, what is going to happen. So President Trump would want to have Brexit because that we comes Britain's hand, and that wouldn't mean it can extract a lot more concessions in the NHS opening up the drug markets and health care, the financial services sector and others. And they can sell this chlorinated chicken and things like that too.
So I think President Trump stands for America first. Well, his version of American. And that's what he's arguing for anybody else who goes along with, that has got to see that that is going to be a big problem going forward.
ANDERSON: Standby. I've got Nick Paton Walsh with us. British demonstrators set to be out in force today to protest US president's visits to the U.K. And Nick Paton Walsh, he's one of those protesters that kicks off and accompanied by or certainly very close to the Trump baby blimp behind you.
What's been reaction amongst those protesters that was blown up this morning?
[05:10:08] NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Go back when he is born to your distinction between a sort of very jovial atmosphere here that somebody asking for (inaudible) dressed as a queen, indeed, that a man in a Trump mask, in a gorilla suit carrying his own cage and escorted off the green by police earlier on. He didn't have permission to be here. But what does have permission to be here as you said is the Trump baby blimp. Now that's got another hour and 20 minutes that it's allowed to fly here. Interestingly, just before it went up we saw the 2 Osprey Military style aircraft that are helping the Trump entourage get around the outskirts of Central London that he's painstakingly avoiding a flew over parliament. They have (INAUDIBLE) between how hysterical inflatable commander in chief is allowed to Avington Green (ph) where Donald Trump himself, because the protests are about to start here, is very far away flying around the outskirts touching down briefly on outskirts of Regent's Park Winfield House. They heavily secure the area there. We saw yesterday.
But, you know, Becky, it's important to bear in mind, there are some serious issues at stake here. We just have a slight taste of the potential for travel here because about 10 police cars that sirens blazing race grounds this green most likely. I think to remind protesters that they are here in force but there could be hundreds of thousands of people potentially on the streets starting in Oxford Circus moving towards Trafalgar Square, puppet around of the occasional protest to supporting the visitor President Donald Trump and I could potentially cause flash points later on.
But you got a very mind at this place where I'm standing here is where Britain's busy making it's most seminal decision possibly since World War II about leaving the European Union. And Trump, frankly, has thrown a wrecking ball in that backing to Theresa May's key rival, and just left the cabinet, Boris Johnson.
And so really what we see this sort of joviality here. We see the blimp slowly to come down at some point later on today but it's been the reason why Donald Trump said in that Sun interview we quote, "Unwelcome in London." And then slammed London near city, he give permission for its supply saying "He was soft on crime, immigration, terrorism," all things that he has nothing to do with the local authority mayor here. There's political said by central government. But still the act of many hangs over this and as you heard back into the -- wasn't suppose to come out quite so early in the sun but it's going to frankly sour the rest of his time here.
I think the concern for police certainly is that these protests despite the severe and typically people fear. And there's key issues here racism, immigration, nationalism that Donald Trump commence to make many people here in this multi-ethnic cosmopolitan city feel very uncomfortable, if not angry that the protest pass as peacefully as possible, Becky.
ANDERSON: Yes. Nick Paton Walsh, share. Just across the river from where I am at here. Thank you for that. That's Parliament Square. We are back by the Palace of Westminster behind me. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM. An interview with Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, up next.
[05:15:18] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, I'm Becky Anderson in London for you. Just moments ago, my colleague, Christiane Amanpour spoke with the city's mayor, Sadiq Khan. He was one of President Trump's main targets in his interview with the British tabloid, The Sun. Mr. Trump said the London Mayor was doing a "terrible job" on terrorism and on immigration.
Let's listen here and then see how Sadiq Khan responded.
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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Mayor Khan welcome to the program. How unusual? How surprised were you to see that interview in the tabloid, The Sun, by the President as he was coming to Great Britain?
SADIQ KHAN, MAYOR OF LONDON: Well, all of us were surprised, relatively relation to the timing and by what he said during the interview. I went to bed last night, known this interview in the The Sun, and I woke up today to read the interview. And it must very difficult even to Prime Minister May at the dinner she had with him last night.
But I think some of things he said during interview will cause upset to the (INAUDIBLE) and will explain I suspect why many Londoners are, by the way they include Londoners who are Americans, will be protesting today against President Trump some of his policy and some of the things that he said.
AMANPOUR: Let me ask you specifically about the things he said about you in this interview that your policy of letting migrants into this city is very dangerous and very bad, that you've been very bad on anti-terror. I mean he really is continuing this feud that he's had with you for the last two years.
KHAN: Because, first to say it takes two to tango, and for feud to happen it takes two to get involve in a fight. I respond when I'm asked questions by journalist to the tweet he sends and to the interviews where he volunteers opinions and views about me. I'm not looking for a fight. I'm not looking for our feuds, not tweets and voluntarily about President Trump.
But the two key things he said during his interview which cause surprised to anybody who's an expert is issues is one, that I was somehow responsible for the terror attacks in London. We lost 14 people last year in this terror attacks last year. One of the comforting things for us was the message of support and love from friends around the world, including America. You know, Manchester Within a month lost 20 people with terror attacks; Berlin terrorist, Brussels, and Nice lost many, many people where all grappling with the evils of terrorist.
That's what President Trump to explain why singled me out as the Mayor of London or other mayors or other leaders. The second upsetting point he made during interview was to link the increase in crime across our country. Crime is (INAUDIBLE) across the country of the last 4 years. In fact in pools of Manchester by 61 -- 60% in London is, has gone up by 4 percent over the last year. And he's linking the increasing crime with increased immigration to -- he have actually no evidential basis for that. But secondly, I'm not responsible for immigration policies across Europe where even indeed in that country or city.
AMANPOUR: Who is responsible for the migration policy just to be clear here in the city?
KHAN: So in the city of London, in London and across the country, the UK government, Theresa May, is responsible for immigration and the UK. And across Europe is of course the EU individual countries that are in the European Union, and so unclear why he singled me out in relation to his concerns around immigration.
I say this, thought, immigration has been the source of huge benefits to our city and our country economically, socially and cultures. And by that I include Americans who make our city the great city in the world.
AMANPOUR: As you know the Trump administration is now completely changing its asylum policy, and you've seen the controversy over its migration policy that kids separated from families at the border. But he did make a sweeping statement in this interview that migration allowing -- I think he said "millions of Muslims or millions of people into Europe has completely changed the culture". And as he said, "Up the crime -- what do you -- how do you respond to the cultural accusation?
KHAN: Yes, (INAUDIBLE) and for the last thousand years, we let immigration to that long. And if we didn't (INAUDIBLE) people had and we (INAUDIBLE). And over the last thousand years, we've seen in London is people ideas and trade come into our city from around the world. And that's one of the reasons why we are the greatest city in the world.
I'm not going to President Trump and others who have this anti immigrant views is actually -- don't be scared diversity. Diversity is a strength, tend to be cherished not to be scared of. And if President Trump have the time to experience our great city, he would see examples of Londoners who are of Jewish faith, Christian faith, Muslim faith, Hindu faith, Buddhist faith, Sikh faith. Those members of our organize faith, those that aren't, meet members of the LGBT plus community, strong powerful women and others and see actually (inaudible).
[05:20:03] Diversity aren't to be scared of. And I'm on flare why the President of a country as brilliant as America who has in his constitution shrine some of these values is so scared in immigration. Why would tough fair rather than address in people's concerns.
AMANPOUR: So you've talked about if you would come to London, he has said again in this interview and he doesn't feel welcome here. He blames you for being behind the protest and for allowing this blimp to fly over London. What do you -- what is your answer to that that he specifically doesn't feel comfortable and welcome in London, which is why he's not in London?
KHAN: You know, one of the things not as a human rights as former human rights folk, but as somebody who loves America had done studying the US constitution. Where this speaks from Franklin Jefferson and he's driving your constitution freedom of speech, (inaudible) protest. The idea and by the way we share of any of those values and I unwrinkled this as similar of right and shrine in common law and then the documents as well.
The idea we would -- could tell (ph) freedom to protest, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble because somebody's feeling are hurt, are just laughable. Can you imagine I protest in Washington or in Europe or Chicago are being stopped where a banner being put down because somebody's feelings have been hurt.
And by the way, we've got history littered with UK prime ministers and US presidents agreed on most things, with special relationship, but agreeing to disagree other things, think of being no more. Think of the Swiss crisis, thinking of Reagan (inaudible) from the Thornton war (ph) rule to the Grenada invasion. We had historical programs ridicule in President Reagan.
Probably, President Reagan without a brain and he was something skimmed. He understood in the democracy we have comedians, we have protesters. When President Bush came in 2003, there were thousands and thousands in the street because the Iraq going to put this --
KHAN: -- little quite. And so it's unclear why this president is so worried about the rights we have in our respective countries and why he's one of the threats of, you know, suspend them during his visit. And by the way, today we have people protesting against President Trump. But tomorrow in London we got this thing far rights and pro- Trump protesters protesting. What about in those? I didn't screw them, one of the great things have been about living in the democracy is the -- as long as you're peaceful and is safe you can protest.
AMANPOUR: You know, you mention that and Steve Bannon the sort of mastermind behind the Trump election is in town meeting with those like minded nationalist. You just call them extreme far right. But those people and you've -- you haven't hinted that and what do you think of that?
KHAN: Its one of the things about in the democracy. They should have the rights to protest and express their views. That's what (inaudible) is all about.
My concern about the rise of narrow populist movements is that would then address the concerns of people how which he's been supporting. There's a reason why people are voting for these term populist parties from Hungary to Italy and other parts of the world. And what I'm concern about is when mainstream politicians normalize will give credibility or empower the far right.
So for example, when President Trump retweets the tweet from Britain first and extreme far right group banned from Facebook, the leader and deputy that ban from Twitter, not only is he amplify message of division and hatred but is given credibility as the president of USA to these far right groups. That's why those were so progressive we're going to take him on.
AMANPOUR: Now, Theresa May the prime minister is obviously not from your party in the opposition label party. Nonetheless, what do you think of president and you've just talked about the special relationship and the headline of the Sun tabloid newspaper saying, Theresa May has read Brexit, no US deal.
KHAN: So the -- let me say the irony of people like lecturing me about the our diplomacy, particularly President Trump and his supporters about it, so diplomatic the protest when the president comes to London. And what I'd like you with respect so diplomatic. When you're about to enter a country to do an interview which criticizes the prime minister and strategy that she's embarking on whether you agree or disagree with this tragedy.
And by the way, many Republican politicians criticize President Obama when three years ago he made a point. I think the value point that if you leave the European Union, don't be surprise what that you're going to get from a market up 600 million to mark up 600 million while you go towards the back of the queue in relation to trade deals with the USA. By the way, those same people are now jumping on the back of Trump and supporting.
Because Trump made the same point, what President Trump has said. President Trump has said that if the prime minister embarks with her Brexit strategy, we will go to the back of the queue in relation to the trade that the US does with the Austin, with the European Union. You will be in front of us (INAUDIBLE).
AMANPOUR: He seems to be taking talking points in your predecessors mayor of London Boris Johnson the foreign minister who's resigned after having essentially, I don't know backstab the prime minister.
KHAN: Well, it's not (INAUDIBLE) Boris Johnson's head what I -- what people here are talking about this morning is President Trump is signing up to be a campaign manager to Boris Johnson prime minister and he's (inaudible) aren't quite clear, in relation to Boris Johnson's legacy protest, the mayor of London. He leaf behind a massive mess, we're still cleaning up to two years later.
[05:25:00] But also as foreign secretary for the last two years, nobody who study there at foreign secretary would say he has demonstrated diplomatic skills or the importance of getting with the allies but also making good relationship with those who needs to do business. So with -- and I think many people with interest with diplomatic call, which is in the government. But also on the country breathing a sight of relief but we still have a sensible politician now in that job which is important.
AMANPOUR: And finally, I just want to quote from what you've written in the Evening Standard, the daily newspaper here, ahead of President Trump's vote. You said the very special -- ahead of President Trump's visit, the very special is about relationship means that we expect the highest standards from each other. And it also means speaking out when we think one side is not living up to the values we hold dear. Do you feel that you're one of the few public officials who actually does speak up for those values. I mean NATO leaders has been berated, G7 allies have been berated. None of that really speak out.
KHAN: Look, I'm quite fair. Look, I love America, I love Americans. As to many Londoners and many people of our country. Because you are a closes ally, we have a special relationship, my expectations of you are higher than they would be of leader of other country, I'll be frank about that.
So my expectations of a president of the USA say are different to my expectations of president of Turkey or another country with the name around the world. Just like best friend, the expectation to have a best friend are higher, you know, just friend or an acquaintance. So I expect with this from our close ally. I expect this from other country seemingly NATO at its call is the US relationship, the US- Canada and the European countries, Turkey as well.
And I just think, you know, we shouldn't power to people who's views, we just grew it particularly with our close friends. I wouldn't dream more being scared to express to my best friend my views about something he/she was doing that I disagree with. Similarly, I don't understand why our prime minister and others across the world are afraid to say to President Trump, you know, what, we grew many, many things, but I think you are wrong in this.
This is why we think you're wrong and nothing is important more of us are courageous.
AMANPOUR: Mayor City Khan, thank you very much, indeed.
[05:30:00] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to our special coverage of US President Donald's Trump visit to the UK. First then from page, now the recordings of President Trump's bombshell interview with Britain's The Sun Newspaper out. Take a listen to him in his words telling the newspaper how he tried to tell UK Prime Minister Theresa May how to do Brexit.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I would have done it much differently. I actually told Theresa May how to do it but she didn't agree with it, she didn't listen to me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did she say?
TRUMP: She didn't listen. No, I told her how to do it. That will be up to her to say. But I told her how to do it. She wanted to go a different route.
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ANDERSON: Well, those words could possibly be hunting British Prime Minister Theresa May today. She holds bilateral talks with the President to the official country residence, Chequers.
Let's go to Kaitlan Collins for more on what we can expect today and his hope will be hoping there will be no more surprises. But then this is Donald Trump, Kaitlan.
KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's true and there are always a lot of surprises with President Trump. Now, Becky, this sit down today with the President, this working lunch that he's going to have with the Prime Minister Theresa May was already going to be a bit awkward. And there was a fair amount of tension already that was going to be happening during those working lunches and throughout their day together where they're going to spend a significant chunk of time together.
But when this interview dropped late last night, something that caught the White House off guard, they thought it wasn't going to be published until today. That really just threw cold water on any hopes of them really making any kind of progress during that lunch today. The President criticizing Theresa May for her plan for Brexit, praising her rival and saying that a potential US-UK trade deal is essentially off the table as she goes forward with what she's proposed.
You really cannot get more politically damaging to Theresa May than what President Trump said during this interview. You're criticizing her as her rival, Boris Johnson, her foreign secretary resigned this week in protest of that plan, not saying that he wanted to pit the two of them against each other but saying that Boris Johnson would make a great Prime Minister. That is a stunning interview by the President.
The White House is trying to do some damage control. They put out a statement last night saying that the President likes Theresa May. He thinks she's a good leader, and that they had a good together while there was a NATO in Brussels. But really, you can't undo the damage that has been done here with this interview by the President. And, Becky, they are going to face a serious amount of questions about this at that press conference that they're going to be holding here in London in just a few hours.
ANDERSON: The Sun Newspaper's cover and the first and the first tweets on the interview and what is this Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid. Kaitlan, as you rightly point out while the President was finishing the formal black tie dinner hosted by Theresa May, they certainly not have thought that this was going to be out until after the bilateral talks today.
However, you know, it is important to point out that actually what this headline says is true to all intents and purposes, Theresa May has wrecked Brexit, US deal is off. The wrecked Brexit perhaps not so much, I mean that that could be argued. But the fact that Theresa May is going for the soft option in her plan to leave the EU effectively does mean that any US free trade deal certainly for this time being until everything is worked out is off the table. So to a certain extent, President Trump's supporters might say, what he's done wrong?
COLLINS: Yes, that does, it does feed into that sense, the President saying that we can't work if it's going to be this soft Brexit plan that she has proposed because then that would be a hint in doing a deal with the European Union which is why the President is saying that. Now, that's going to be bad for Theresa May because that was one of her selling points that she was hoping she could get a trade deal accomplished with the President. That is something that is going to be the top of the agenda for that working lunch today, or was going to be at least before this interview dropped.
And that is really why Theresa May has stomached a lot of the things that President Trump has said and done in the last few weeks because she was counting on a trade deal like this to happen.
Now, the potential of a deal like this was already sort of careless, but now with these comments by the President saying it's simply not going to happen if she goes forward with what she's proposed and Theresa May repeating a statement last night that they are going forward with this, you just don't see that there's any future here which is certainly going to make for a very interesting lunch. You wonder what they're going to talk about.
It's not just that he's criticizing her on her home turf. He's essentially blowing up something that she was counting on.
[05:34:59] ANDERSON: Kaitlan Collins on the stories you may hear in London. First Lady -- thank you. Melania Trump and the Prime Minister's husband, Phillip May are also out and about today. Here are some pictures just in of the two spouses visiting the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, which is not actually a hospital but it's a home for retired soldiers known as the Chelsea Pensioners. You may also know it is -- and as a sight of the Chelsea Flower Show every May if you will, any watches.
So Mr. May and Mrs. Trump at the Chelsea Hospital for you while the US President get set for his working lunch with the UK Prime Minister.
President Trump meets Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on Monday. The one on one round of this European toll which included the NATO summit of course earlier and on the weekend or working visit here to the UK. Mr. Trump has said, he expects to sit down with Mr. Putin to be possibly the easiest of his trip. He has never had any doubt that he and Putin will get along.
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TRUMP: I think I get very -- along very well with Vladimir Putin. I just think so. We will get along I think with Putin. And I will get along with others and we will have a much more stable, stable world.
Donald Trump is a friend of Putin. Well actually, Putin did call me a genius that he said I'm the future of the Republican Party. I'm not afraid of Putin. I don't know Putin. I dump that Putin. I respect Putin. He said, strong leader, I can tell you that.
But I have nothing to do with Putin. I never spoke into him. I don't know anything about him other than you will respect me. I would treat Vladimir Putin firmly, but there's nothing I can't think off that I'd rather do than have Russia friendly.
I don't know the gentleman. I hope we have a fantastic relationship that's possible and it's also possible that we won't.
I love our country. I have been Russia's worst nightmare.
You know what, Putin is fine. He's fine. We're all fine with people. Well, I'd be prepared, totally prepared. I've been preparing for this stuff my whole life.
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ANDERSON: For preview, what do we expect then from this Trump, Putin summit? Let's have the CNN's Frederik Pleitgen who is in Moscow. Donald Trump there in saying that he has been Russia's worst nightmare, has he?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well to start, it makes that maybe, but at least, he's been consistent on messaging behavioral myth from what we just heard. He certainly thinks we're looking forward to the summit. I think on the one hand, it is the case. And that the Russians are unhappy with the relations that they have with the United States. Obviously, they've had additional sanctions over the past months that President Trump has been in office, obviously also those diplomats being expelled, for instance, after the most recent.
Now we talk incidents in the United Kingdom. Also US being very, very tough on Russia in that regard as well.
You had the US also delivering new weapons to the Ukrainian militaries. So there are certainly are some things that the Russians called irritants in that relationship, but the one thing that the Russians have always been very consistent on in their messaging is that they believed that President Trump wants good relations with Russia, but it's others. And the US administration and the Congress and the media, who are holding things up and we're trying to poison those relations. So they certainly seem to believe in President Trump and seem to believe in his will to try and get these relations back on track.
And I think that the Russians certainly have very high expectations for the summit. If you ask the Kremlin, they're still holding back. They're saying, "Look, it's good that these two men are meeting but there are so many issues that are difficult between them that you shouldn't expect too much head way from one single summit."
If you look at Russian media, Becky, you look at Russian pundits, you look at other Russian politicians, they say that they believe that this meeting could be a stepping stone for better relations between the Trump White House and the Kremlin, and then ultimately may be also between the US and Russia.
Obviously, they know that there is a long way to go, but they certain believe, the current president is very sympathetic to getting those relations back on track, Becky. ANDERSON: Frederik Pleitgen is in Moscow view where it is 12:38 in the afternoon, 10:39 here in UK, good morning. Stay with us. We are tracking the US President's visits to the United Kingdom from potentially old for the talks with Theresa May in and out.
[05:39:28] So from now, is the giant baby blimp protest in London, how this visit may shape the future of US, U.K. relations?
ANDERSON: Well, an image of -- let's bring it up for you, an image of the Sandburst this morning which is a military academy here in the UK and this by Dan Scavino Jr. who was the Social Media Director for the US President. And the shout of Theresa May meeting Donald Trump as he arrives there for a Military parade.
We are told in his honor the tele image wonder what they are saying to each other because we do know that Sandburst. We do know that this newspaper headline this morning, I'm just going to pick up here, the front page of The Sun is going to make for pretty awkward relations what it seems between the UK Prime Minister and the US President.
Malcom Chalmers, Deputy Director-General within the Royal United Services Institute is with me. And this is what we've been talking about all morning. This is an exclusive entry that dropped just as the gala diner was closing out last night. We've been talking on how this is going to make relations pretty awkward for Theresa May.
We've also been discussing the fact that actually what he said in this interview with regard to Brexit is probably right and true.
MALCOLM CHALMERS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR-GENERAL, RUSI: Of course it is.
ANDERSON: There is no US deal of we go for soft Brexit. So I mean, you know.
CHALMERS: Oh I think that's right. And even with the hard Brexit, I think that US deal right now will be very hard keeping where the American are with trade. But most of all, this is a hostile act towards a close ally in a contrast with rhetoric in relation to President Putin could not be more obvious. We've got a disruptor, a revolutionary if you like in the White House and the American people --
ANDERSON: We knew that, didn't we? Yes.
CHALMERS: Well I think -- and for quite a while because all of the American official was a people from the pentagon and state department who come to Europe. Reassure the Europeans that nothing has change that they're good to manage Mr. Trump, and now he comes in dustings which make it clear where his relatives lie. We don't lie with Mrs. May or Mrs. Merkel or President Macron. He's on the side of the populist, the nationalist in Europe.
ANDERSON: So the legacy of this trip could likely that his involvement. The Prime Ministers opponent, she is ready on shaking ground so far as her plans for Brexits are concern. And that very life line as the British Prime Minister.
CHALMERS: Yes, I think it will have some effect on that. I mean that in the end I think people will give a strong views within the UK. It weakened the hard Brexit tears argument that there is a US trade deal at the end of the rainbow. But that aspiration always possible I think. It has been deal to substantial blow and it will contribute to a sense of wonderment that we are living the European Union precise with the time when in foreign policy terms and attitude towards the America. The UK is closer to France and Germany. They speak for some time.
ANDERSON: When he leaves there and, you know, spent a couple of days in Scotland and the country that you're from, Scotland.
ANDERSON: Of -- for (INAUDIBLE). And then, he goes often and meets President Putin. We were just discussing that with my colleague in Moscow.
[05:45:06] What this President Putin have to lose out of this meeting with the US President? And what does the Donald Trump have to gain?
CHALMERS: President Putin needs to be careful that President Trump is not the only American flare in all this. And yet, the Congress clearly is much more anti-Russian than the President, looking this to come up with a formula to use President Trump to his own advantage to divide NATO without mobilizing the more hawkish elements to dominate in the US Senate. But what I think people fear is something like the -- that what happened in Singapore with Kim from North Korea and Trump where he comes up with something that it atmospherically sounds specific than a great deal done even if there's not much substance to it and under cops at West community on things like sanctions.
So the American president has enormous part without this President, this senate on his side. So I think there's a lot of concern in this Capital and another European Capitals.
ANDERSON: How's deep all of the divisions? Do you believe between Washington and European Capital errs while allies, of course? How deep do these divisions go at this point? Is the President is only be sitting for some 18 months? How much damage does he done?
CHALMERS: Well, you know, I think for the first year, people will still felt, he could be a house tend of July. He could gradually be persuaded by responsible figures like that Defense Secretary Mattis that he has -- he should come more in to line with the establishment view, the deep state view if you like in American chart.
ANDERSON: That's not how he explained by on this trip, is it? It's --
CHALMERS: And that's not where he is grad dripping in his own people, and his own people who are dependent on him for their political survival. He's becoming a more, more radical President in foreign policy terms than he was when he started. He is sticking to as guns. If anything becoming more radical in this view the world and fundamentally, he doesn't believe in international institutions. He's a polls to the European Union. He's deeply skeptical of NATO. He's deeply skeptical the world trading organization.
And Europe since World War II has been built on these institutions. And most Europeans including most people in this country actually believe those institutions. In our case, NATO most of all are critical to our piece security and prosperity. So there's a fundamental challenge.
ANDERSON: Malcolm, pleasure having you on. Thank you. We stop and look at what lies ahead today for President Trump in Great Britain. We continue our special coverage of what is ready. Surprise, surprise, become controversial visit to the UK.
ANDERSON: Well, not even 24 hours have pass since the President Trump touched down in the UK and he has already insulted the Prime Minister and the London mayor. So what could be next? We'll tell to figure that out, joined by Peter Goodman, the European Economic correspondent for the New York Times. He calls himself a stable genius. Is this an example of stable genius?
PETER GOODMAN, EUROPEAN ECONOMICS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES: I mean the hallmark of stable genius is someone who tells you that he is stable genius I supposed. You know, it's a fool's game to try to guest what Trump is going to tell you about anything at any given moment in time. But he clearly has a great deal and confidence. Whatever he may do in the course of his day, he does with gusto. This is in keeping with how he operates.
ANDERSON: Does he care how much damage he does, collateral damage like?
GOODMAN: Well, you know, that's a nicely question. I mean I think the way he views it and let's, you know, let's be clear there, we're speculating. We can only judge. We know what he says. We know what he does.
[05:50:00] He seems to operate as if he's on his holy mission to disrupt this traditionally alliances. He does seem to believe that the liberal democratic order forged largely by the United States in the wake of World War II is some sort of the international conspiracy to cheat American working people, to deprived Americans of their great strength in the world. He does admire the strong men leaders who are not confined by normal diplomacy, rules, the press. And that does seems to be a consistent part of how he operates.
ANDERSON: If he were -- if you genuinely understand and believe -- and understand these institutions, understands why the alliance -- the NATO alliance for example was forged, but genuinely this doesn't buy it. What's his strategy? I mean this is -- let's just take this European toll. GOODMAN: Yes.
ANDERSON: NATO summit find some salvoes that the German leader --
ANDERSON: -- comes here, make a whole bunch sort of comments about defense spending which it seems in public there was great sort of bombastic rhetoric behind the scenes.
ANDERSON: Perhaps, it's a little bit more charming and sort of like he comes here and felts by the Prime Minister and the mayor of London.
ANDERSON: And he goes to Helsinki to -- for one on one with President Putin. What is his structure? What's the game play here?
GOODMAN: Well no one really knows. I mean again, this is the president who wins it. So there is danger in trying to connect the dots. As much as you know we journalists academics, it's very hard for us to conceive of world in which the US President is weighing it and doesn't have a strategy. That may very well be what's going on. And that's it. There does seem to be a throw line here.
In January, they goes to Davos, the World Economic Forum and he says, America is open for business. He has a dinner with Europeans CEOs. He goes around the room. He says we want your investment. He goes to NATO. He threatens to blow up NATO. He pressures his allies into promising to contribute more their economies towards defense spending. Guess what? No American presidents even been heard by ginning out business with the US defends industry. If these countries are going to spend more on defense, that's could lead to more self (INAUDIBLE) contract.
ANDERSON: It is (inaudible) can replace that defend spending with the trade surfaces that the EU is running.
GOODMAN: Well correct.
ANDERSON: I think the United States --
GOODMAN: And essentially -- I mean construed --
ANDERSON: -- and this transactional president.
GOODMAN: -- and he is just transactional president. And he access if this money that his European allies are not paying into the NATO budget is money that somehow ode to the United States and as you say, complacent with the trade balance. And he lives with this promise that we will really make good on our pledge to up our contributions with defense spending.
ANDERSON: So talking about transactional president, we get us to the front page of the newspaper. This is a Murdock.
ANDERSON: Rupert Murdock owned in this paper. We know that Rupert Murdoch has been one of his advisers.
ANDERSON: Pointing screen --
ANDERSON: -- his campaign. May has wrecked Brexit US deal is off. We've been discussing on the issue today. But actually you mean a lot would wrecked, but Theresa May would be planned for a self Brexit.
ANDERSON: Ultimately means that any US deal that he thought he might help with--
ANDERSON: -- is off, he is right.
GOODMAN: Well, let's understand something. The whole idea that a US- UK free trade deal was going to make Brexit an economic winner for Britain was always traditional.
ANDERSON: United for our setting mood.
GOODMAN: I mean the map just doesn't add up. I mean the UK sends 47 percent of its exports, the European Union is the world's largest consumer market for just about everything. There just isn't enough trade dealing that can be done to make up for whatever ahead. The UK is going to face on its exports.
ANDERSON: Perhaps link with --
GOODMAN: All right.
ANDERSON: -- everything. And thank you so much indeed for joining us.
GOODMAN: Thank you.
ANDERSON: Pleasure having you on.
US President Trump and the first lady will join Queen Elizabeth for tea in the coming hours, joining a long list of world leaders who've met with monarch during his 66-year reign. Max Foster report.
MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Meeting the queen can be intimidating, even for the most experience of world leaders. Do you bow? Do you care to sit? Do you shake her hand? Do you bring a gift? Well, Buckingham Palace insist, there are no obligatory codes of conduct. But at some instance, they chose to observe traditional norm.
The queen doesn't expect people to bow to her, but many choose to do it anyway. For men, this is a bow from the neck. Most women a small courtesy, the secret is not to overdue it. Other people prefers something to shake hands in the usual way or you can choose a combination of the two.
When waiting the queen, it's important to use the right greeting. The correct formal address is your majesty. And subsequently, it's ma'am as in ham not mom. Don't expect to be ever on first name terms with her majesty.
Tradition dictates that the queen speaks first and she initiates anybody contact which at most extends to a hand shake.
[05:55:06] According to etiquette, hugging is a big no, no. Michelle Obama famously broke this convention as first lady when she put an arm around the queen in 2009.
Kiss giving is a very important part of any official visit. Conventions of etiquette advise bringing a present that's appropriate for the occasion or reflects local culture. Official gifts belong to the crown rather than a specific Royal when they automatically become part of the Royal collection, one of the largest private art collections in the world. Previous gifts have included a golden model ship, a throne and even a silver bowl of fruits.
Although royal approach goes have relaxed in recent years, tradition does still dictate the guest over the queens lead. So you will speak to her, until she is speaking to you. You don't sit until she sat first. So you don't start eating until she starts it.
It is one hard and fast rule, you probably should follow if this. If in doubt, leave it out. Because there's one sure far away of embarrassing yourself in front of the queen is trying to follow the etiquette. Don't getting it wrong.
ANDERSON: And that's the end at the City of London. Thank you for joining us. NEW DAY starts straight after this short break, stay with us.