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North Korea building fresh missiles; Aid organizations widespread sexual abuse; Donald Trump willing to meet with Iran's president without pre-conditions; "Collusion is not a crime."; Paul Manafort goes on trial; A car bomb explodes in the southern Philippines; Four million people in Assam loose citizenship; California's seventh most destructive fire in history; Stranded hikers on Mount Rinjani rescued. Aired at 8--a ET

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[08:00:00] KRISTIE LOU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream."

Rocket fears. A new report indicates that North Korea maybe building fresh missiles.

Endemic sexual exploitation. Aid organizations in the U.K. respond to a report detailing widespread abuse by charity groups.

And move over cats. Why dogs have become the new kings of the internet.

And we begin with the U.S. president's jaw dropping u-turn over his earlier threats against Iran. Donald Trump now says he is willing to meet with

Iran's president without pre-conditions and whenever they want, but just last week he was promising to crush Iran's economy with sanctions and when

the nation should be cautious in dealing with the U.S. We are going to have more from Tehran in just minute.

But first, the president's latest olive branch that echoes that about-face meeting with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, but the issue of

denuclearization, that still is not resolved. Now, the "Washington Post" reports that Pyongyang may be building new missiles.

And joining us now with more on the story is CNN's Will Ripley, and Will, walk us through these new indicators including the satellite images cited

by the "Washington Post." Is North Korea working on new missiles?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is something that U.S. intelligence including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and others have

actually been talking about for quite some time, but yes, these are images from Sanumdong. This is a missile production facility. We've seen in North

Korean state media, Kim Jong-un inspecting this facility. They produce ICBMs and also mid range missiles as well.

And this is where, according to the "Washington Post," North Korea has been producing one or two new types of missiles, liquid-fueled missiles, and we

will talk more about that in a moment, but I want to show you another satellite image because it is not just the missiles that U.S. intelligence

officials are keeping an eye on. It's also the uranium enrichment, what would go in the nuclear warheads themselves.

And they have seen stepped-up activity at this facility in Kangson, North Korea as well. Now, let's go back for a moment because we talked before

about liquid fuel missiles versus solid fuel. Solid fuel is much more concerning to the United States than liquid fuel because solid fuel

missiles are produced and the fuel is already in the missile. What that means is that it can be rolled out and launched very quickly and very

easily.

Liquid fuel missiles actually have the potential to work a little bit more efficiently, but it also means that you have to fuel up the missile first.

It is labor-intensive, it takes time, and it's very easy to spot from spy satellites, which is why liquid fuel missiles that are being observed right

now not as concerning to U.S. intelligence as a solid fuel missile production.

LU STOUT: So, it appears that North Korea is continuing to work on its weapons program unabated. Does that go against the spirit of the agreement

that was signed between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un in Singapore?

RIPLEY: It depends on how you look at it because we have seen so many images of missile launches prior to the Singapore Summit, but North Korean

leader Kim Jong-un has not launched a missile or conducted a nuclear test since last November.

Now, the agreement that he signed with President Trump right there in Singapore talked about working towards the complete denuclearization of the

Korean Peninsula. But we've said time and time again there is no timeline, no specifics, no demands for North Korea to be fully transparent in terms

of where their facilities are, how many warheads they have, how many missiles they have.

And so as of right now, one would expect that North Korea would continue to produce weapons because it's business as usual until they make an agreement

with the United States to do something differently. And just imagine the massive size of North Korea's defense industry when you look at its entire

economy, which is relatively small. That is so many jobs, so much money invested and so many people who are working.

Imagine a country like the United States being told that you have to basically dismantle a huge portion of your defense industry and layoff all

those people in a matter of months. It's simply not feasible. So until North Korea has some sort of signed agreement, these people are going to

keep working.

But what's crucial here is that we're not seeing this. We're not seeing missiles being launched, not seeing the kind of provocative behavior that

has frightened the international community and it pushed North Korea into this kind of corner in the first place.

LU STOUT: Got it. So, the weapons development, it cannot grind to a stop but at least no test for the time being. Will Ripley reporting. Thank you.

RIPLEY: Thanks.

LU STOUT: Back now to Iran and President Trump's announcement that he is willing to meet with Tehran without any preconditions. Here's what he said

on Monday.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I would certainly meet with Iran if they wanted to meet. I don't know that they're ready yet. They're

having a hard time right now, but I ended the Iran deal. It was a ridiculous deal. I do believe that they will probably end up wanting to

meet and I'm ready to meet anytime they want to.

And I don't do that from strengths or from weakness. I think it's an appropriate thing to do. If we could work something out that's meaningful

not the waste of paper that the other deal was, I would certainly be willing to meet.

[08:05:09] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you have preconditions for that meeting?

TRUMP: No preconditions, no. They want to meet, I'll meet.

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LU STOUT: That's what Trump said. Now, Ramin Mostaghim is a reporter with the "Los Angeles Times." He joins me now live from Tehran. Thank you so

much for joining us here on the program. You heard just then from President Trump saying he's open to a meeting, but what are the prospects for such a

meeting? Is Tehran at all open to meeting with President Trump at this moment?

RAMIN MOSTAGHIM, REPORTER, LOS ANGELES TIMES: It depends who you ask about it. In the streets I ask, you know, walk stopping (ph) just a few minutes

ago. Out of 15 people that I tried to talk only three or four are ready to talk and have some -- they have heard the news. It seems that the majority

of the people according to my assessment are ignoring and they are not paying attention because they have their -- already they have their own

daily routine problems on economy ordeals.

But those who are ready to talk, in the streets, they say we welcome and precondition -- no precondition. Let's talk. And Iranian officials should

welcome the (inaudible) Mr. Trump. But on official level, we have no official statement yet, but the president adviser, President Rouhani's

adviser, Mr. Aboutalebi put precondition that is stopping hostile wording, hostile relations, and also the reversing the pull out of the nuclear deal.

I mean, Trump should come back, return to nuclear deal and then talk about everything. So, that is sort of semi-official reactions to the quotes of

Mr. Trump. Let's see what will be --

LU STOUT: So, sort of a mixed reaction there in Tehran.

MOSTAGHIM: -- what will unfold I think in the coming days.

LU STOUT: Yeah. It's an interesting mixed reaction that we're getting there.

MOSTAGHIM: That's true and all there is -- they know that Tehran is not monolithic.

LU STOUT: I just want to hear, when you talked to people there, are -- you're right, there is a multiplicity of viewpoints there in Iran, and when

you talked to people more about their viewpoints, what's the thinking there about why Donald Trump made this offer to meet? Was he just thinking

speaking off the cuff or was this is a serious offer that somehow represents Trump's style diplomacy?

MOSTAGHIM: They don't -- they don't care about it. They just want job. They just want their purchasing power back. They just want no volatile

economic situation. They don't care about Syria. They don't care about Yemen. They don't care what's behind -- what's the reason behind Mr. Trump

-- what is the motivation. They just say this is opportunity, let's seize the moment and talk.

That is the people who are ready to talk to us told me, and that is usually the main concern. So, economic issue is main concern of them. They don't

care about the motivation of both sides or what politician want to do. They just want to talk.

LU STOUT: Got it. And they want to talk about you said pockets of issues (ph). It is about the economy. So, unfortunately, Mostaghim, can you hear

me? I think we just lost the connection with Mostaghim there in Tehran.

MOSTAGHIM: I can hear you. Yes. Yes.

LU STOUT: -- is on the line. Sorry, Mostaghim, one last question before we go. I'm glad that you can hear us. I just want to ask you, you talked about

pockets (ph) of issues, the economy being of utmost importance. We know that the Trump administration, they're going to reinstate sanctions on

Iran. It's going to start next month, which is just around the corner. How badly is that going to hurt Iran, quickly?

MOSTAGHIM: Yes. It's going to be very bad, detrimental to the economy and more and more reduction of purchasing power, more volatile situation, no

predictable future for economy. So, everything goes back if the sanction comes. Even before the sanctions, the threats of the sanction, the risk of

the sanction means detrimental to the Iranian economy and that will be more problems expecting people.

LU STOUT: Got it. Ramin Mostaghim with the view from Tehran. Thank you so much. Take care.

Now to the Russia probe and what seems to be the newest talking point for the U.S. president and some of his inner circle. Now, the president

tweeting today that, "collusion is not a crime, but that doesn't matter because there was no collusion except by crooked Hillary and the

Democrats."

Those comments echoed those of his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who was once again trying to make the case for his client in the court of public opinion

and once again, Giuliani seems to be making that if a mess after a series of interviews, leaves heads scratching. Abby Phillip has more.

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ABBY PHILLIP, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A White House official distancing the president's press team from its outside lawyer,

Rudy Giuliani, telling CNN they are not coordinating after Giuliani's aggressive and confusing media blitz.

[08:10:05] Since the start of the investigation into potential coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia to interfere in the 2016 election,

the message from the president's team has been the same.

TRUMP: There is absolutely no collusion.

There was no collusion.

There is no collusion. No collusion.

PHILLIP (voice-over): But Monday, Giuliani appeared to open the door to a different line of defense.

RUDY GIULIANI, ATTORNEY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about Russians.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: OK.

GIULIANI: You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. The hacking is the crime.

CAMEROTA: That certainly is the original crime.

GIULIANI: The president didn't hack.

CAMEROTA: Of course not. That's the original crime.

GIULIANI: He didn't pay them for hacking.

PHILLIP (voice-over): Giuliani also pushing back on allegations that then candidate Trump knew in advance and approved his campaign's 2016 Trump

Tower meeting with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton. A claim sources tell CNN that Mr. Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen is willing to

tell special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators.

GIULIANI: We said there was a one-on-one meeting that Donald, Jr. came in and told him about the meeting was about to take place. Well, there are two

witnesses who say it didn't happen.

CAMEROTA: The president and his son.

PHILLIP (voice-over): The president's lawyer also bringing up the possibility of another previously undisclosed meeting before then saying it

did not happen either.

GIULIANI (via telephone): There was another meeting that has been leaked that hasn't been public yet. That was a meeting -- an alleged meeting --

three days before. He says there was a meeting with Donald, Jr. with Jared Kushner, with Paul Manafort, with Gates and possibly two others, in which

they, out of the presence of the president, discussed the meeting with the Russians.

We checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, which was four of the six. That meeting never, ever took place. It didn't happen. It's a

figment of his imagination or he's lying.

PHILLIP (Voice-over): Giuliani telling CNN that reporters have been asking him questions about this alleged second meeting and he was trying to get

ahead of the story.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Cohen, how are you today?

MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER PERSONAL ATTORNEY FOR DONALD TRUMP: Doing great. Yourself?

PHILLIP (voice-over): President Trump ignoring multiple questions about Cohen and the Russia investigation.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, do you feel betrayed by Michael Cohen, sir?

PHILLIP (voice-over): Despite lashing out at Mueller over alleged conflicts of interest over the weekend, Giuliani conceding that he was unaware of

what the president was referencing.

GIULIANI: I can't tell you. I'm not sure I know exactly what the conflict is. I have a good idea what it is. It's one that would have kept me out of

the investigation.

PHILLIP (on-camera): And as the public defense by his lawyers continues to shift for President Trump, we'll be looking to see what more today brings

on that front. Meanwhile, President Trump is leaving Washington today, heading down to Tampa Bay, Florida for workforce development event, and

then later a campaign rally, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Abby Phillip there. Thank you. Now, a critical day lies ahead for another man who was at the center of Trump world. It is the trial of

Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman. That trial kicks off today, the very first trial in Robert Mueller's special counsel probe.

Manafort faces a slew of tax evasion and big fraud charges, charges that could put in behind bars for the rest of his life. Now, let's bring in

CNN's Joe Johns. He is outside the courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia. Joe, thank you for joining us. Tells more about what is happening there at the

courthouse today and these financial crimes that are the heart of this trial.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIRO WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Kristie, jury selection today ain Alexandria, Virginia federal court. It's known

here in the states as the rocket docket because justice tends to move very swiftly here in this court. Manafort is facing 18 charges, financial

crimes, is essentially accused of receiving about $60 million from political consulting work for the government of Ukraine, parking that money

in offshore foreign bank accounts and not telling the tax collectors, the Internal Revenue Service.

So, he could face up to 30 years if he is convicted on these charges. The trial is expected to go on for about three weeks. Of course, the reason why

there is so much attention placed on this trial is one simple fact, Manafort was the former campaign chairman for Donald Trump, and as you

said, this is the first case that's been brought to trial by the special counsel in the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016

elections.

LU STOUT: Yes, and the trail, it all begins today. Joe Johns reporting live from outside the courthouse there in Alexandria, Virginia. Joe, thank

you. You are watching "News Stream." Still ahead right here on the program, living in limbo. The Indian state of Assam strips four million people of

citizenship. What next for the newly stateless?

Plus, the horrifying report revealing endemic abuse in international aid. The world's most vulnerable people are being taken advantage of.

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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong. Welcome back. This is "News Stream." We are learning new details about the suicide bomber who killed 22

people at an Ariana Garnde concert in Manchester, England last year. A British government spokesperson says that Salman Abedi spent time in Libya

during its Civil War and in fact he was evacuated from Libya by the British Royal Navy in 2014.

At the time, the British government advised all British nationals to leave Libya following heavy violence in Tripoli and large-scale military

offensives against Islamist groups.

At least 10 people are dead and five others wounded after a car bomb exploded in the southern Philippines. Officials say the attack, which

occurred at a military checkpoint stopped by troops and civilians was carried out by militants linked to the Abu Sayyaf terror group. The group

pledge of allegiance to Isis in 2014.

And security is tight in Northeast India after a controversial list appears to obstruct four million people of citizenship. The publication of the

registrants in the city of Assam comes amid an uproar over illegal migration across the poorest border at Bangladesh. Amara Walker reports.

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AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): More than four million people in the Indian state of Assam are now unsure if they are citizens,

sparking new fears for their future. On Monday, the government published a controversial list called the National Registry of Citizens, and out of the

32.9 million people who submitted documents, only 28.9 million people made the list as legal citizens.

The move comes amid popular anger over a legal migration into Assam, which shares a porous border with Bangladesh. Opposition leaders say four million

is just too high.

RIPUN BORA, LEADER, INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS: This figure is very high figure. It is -- it is very surprising. It is unbelievable because there is

no such number of illegal infiltrators in Assam.

WALKER (voice-over): Still, the move has prompted fears of possible deportation among Assam's hundreds of thousands of Bengali speaking

Muslims. Authorities say no one will be deported until an appeals process is clear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Every person will get enough opportunities to claim or put up an objection. There is a provision of this

in the law and everyone will get full opportunity to get their case heard.

WALKER (voice-over): Security has been tightened across the state in anticipation of potential anti-immigration violence, a long simmering

problem. In 1983, hundreds of people were killed in Assam by mobs intent on driving out Muslim immigrants. And in 2012, riots broke out between

indigenous tribal groups and Bengali speaking Muslims.

[08:20:02] Many of the state's Bengali community have lived in India for decades crossing the border into Assam during the bloody Bangladesh

independence struggle in 1971.

To be recognized as citizens, all residents of Assam have to produce documents proving that they or their families lived in India before March

24, 1971. The final list will be published in December. Amara Walker, CNN.

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LU STOUT: Earlier today we spoke to the director of the Center for Equity Studies from New Delhi about how this controversy in Assam fits into the

bigger political picture.

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HARSH MANDER, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR EQUITY STUDIES: India has never been as divided since its independence than it has been in the last four years

because we have a government which has a strongly majority in Hindu nationalist ideology and perspective. And so there is a sense of fear. We

have increasing incidence of lynching across the country. I have been visiting families affected by lynching in across 12 states.

And there is a sense of (inaudible) which is ideologically hostile to Muslim citizens. And Muslims -- and India has the second largest population

of Muslim people in the world and so we're talking about a really large, something like 180 million people who belong to India, to whom India

belongs as much as it does to each (inaudible) other residents.

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LU STOUT: So many people's futures at stake here. That was Harsh Mander, director of the Center for Equity Studies there on the controversy over

citizenship in India's Assam state.

A new report is out and it is condemning international aid groups for failing to tackle endemic sexual abuse carried out by their own workers.

This report by British lawmaker says that the response by humanitarian organizations was so sluggish, it was, "verging on complicity."

Oxfam U.K. they have responded to the report saying that it makes painful reading. Erin McLaughlin is covering this for us. She joins us now, and

Erin, let's first talk about this, of course, the report. The abuse allegations are shocking and the support it just goes through the horrific

scope and scale of this abuse. What more have you learned?

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well we've learned, Kristie, that this -- that more abuse has been endemic. We learned that it's been the result

of a, "collective failure," but I think that it's important to point out here as the report does, that this is nothing new to people inside the aid

industry.

That the individuals had known about this for at least 16 years and was most recently brought to light as a result of a scandal from six months ago

here in the U.K. Now, British parliament say they're going to lead the charge for change, but that change could take decades.

(voice-over): Out of one of the greatest natural disasters, one of the worst scandals in the history of global philanthropy. The revelation that

Oxfam's county director in Haiti hosted sex parties with prostitutes while the country reeled from a devastating earthquake, triggers headlines around

the world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, sexual abuse allegations --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A growing scandal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) denies covering up accusations.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): And further revelations of sexual exploitation and abuse across the global charity sector. Six months on, a new damning

report by the British Parliament warning the scandal is far from over.

STEPHEN TWIGG, CHAIR, INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE: What our report sets out is a collective failure over a period of at least 16 years by the

aid sector to address sexual exploitation and abuse. But organizations have often put their own reputation ahead of the protection of children, women

and other victims and survivors of sexual exploitation abuse.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Stephen Twigg chaired the parliamentary committee which found sexual exploitation in the aid sector to be, "open secret"

noting, "outrage is appropriate but the prize is not." And that the aid sector has been aware of sexual exploitation and abuse by its own personnel

for years. And that the reactive patchy and sluggish response of the sector has created an impression of complacency verging on complicity.

TWIGG: One of the most disturbing pieces of evidence we took was the suggestion that because very often humanitarian crises are chaotic

situations with little regulation, predators will be attracted to working in the aid sector.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): The report calls out British charities including Oxfam and Save the Children. Oxfam acknowledges the report makes for,

"painful reading." In a statement saying, "We know we failed to protect vulnerable women in Haiti and we accept we should have reported more

clearly at the time. For that, we are truly sorry. We've made improvement since 2011 but recognize we have further to go." In a statement, Save the

Children says, "Along with other charities, we heard the wake-up call for the entire aid sector loud and clear."

[08:25:04] A wake up call that the problem is global. For example, it sites a 2018 report looking at abuse in Syria, which found that, "sexual

exploitation by humanitarian workers at distribution was commonly cited by participants as a risk faced by women and girls trying to access aid.

TWIGG: They can't be left to one country. There's got to be buy-in from other countries. That's --

MCLAUGHLIN: Do you see that buy-in?

TWIGG: I think there are some encouraging signs but it's very early, it's very early. And if this is going to change, it's not going to change in

weeks or months or even years. It is going to take decades to really establish a system the works in every part of the world.

MCLAUGHLIN: And it is important to point out here, Kristie, that the true extent of this problem is not known. Instances of abuse according to the

report are massively under reported and some organization is saying that this parliamentary report simply does not go far enough. We heard from the

organization here. Their cry (ph), they submitted written testimony to the inquiry.

They released a statement saying, "The report is welcomed as a good foundation to start, but perpetrators and enablers may still go free as a

prosecution not yet a priority," Kristie.

LU STOUT: International aid groups exploiting the very people that they are supposed to be helping. A horrifying report as you point out, this

could very well be just the beginning. Erin McLaughlin, reporting live for us in London. Thank you so much.

Now, the Carr wildfire that we've been reporting on, it's been raging northern California. It is now the seventh most destructive fire in the

state's history, with over 1,100 structures burned. It's even overtaken the Thomas fire from last December. So far, it has been blamed for at least six

deaths including a firefighter and bulldozer operator working to extinguish this inferno.

By now, it is nearly one-fourth contained. It is so large and so hot, it is creating its own localized weather system making it even harder to predict

where it will spread next.

Now, to the devastating earthquake in Indonesia. The last six hikers stranded on a volcano following Sunday's deadly earthquake, they've been

rescued. There were evacuated off the mountain by helicopter earlier this morning. The 6.4 magnitude tremor unleashed landslides that trapped more

than 600 hikers on Mount Rinjani.

The quake on the island of Lombok killed 16 people and left hundreds of people homeless. You're watching "News Stream," and still come.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not going out of here some beautiful woman with no wrinkles.

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LU STOUT: This superwoman shows us all how exercise can give us longer and better lives. That story is next.

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN NEWS STREAM SHOW HOST: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching "News Stream" and these are your world headlines.

The Washington Post reports new information including satellite images showing North Korea could be building one or possibly two liquid-fueled

intercontinental ballistic missiles. If true, the news could be a serious blow to President Trump's diplomatic efforts with dictator Kim Jong-un.

U.S. President Donald Trump says he is willing to be with the Iran's leaders whenever they want without preconditions. It is a stark of reversal

from his all caps tweet last week when he said that Iran would suffer severe consequences if it ever threaten the U.S. again.

Lawmakers in the U.K. say international aid groups are failing to tackle widespread sexual abuse and harassment carried up by their own workers. The

report by committee of MPs says the slow response by humanitarian organizations was "merging on complicity." Oxfam U.K. has responded, saying

that the report makes a painful reading.

At least 19 people are missing in Northern California as the wildfires there continue to burn across the region. The so called Carr wildfire has

claimed six lives in the last week. This fire is so large and so hot it has created its own weather system making it even more difficult to control and

predict.

Now, we all know that exercise is a good thing, but we may not have known just how good it could be for us. It turns out it can help us live up to 10

years longer. Dr. Sanjay Gupta introduces us to a woman who doesn't let age slow her down.

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SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Meet Jeanne Daprano. She is 81 years old and she is still running races. Why?

JEANNE DAPRANO, WORLD RECORD SETTING AMERICAN MASTERS TRACK AND FIELD ATHLETE: I like being competitive.

GUPTA: More like, why not?

DAPRANO: The thing I'm learning about aging, the bottom line is it's inevitable. I am not going to escape it. There is two ways to go. You can

either press on or give up. Do I want to go back to be 50, 40? No, because I think the best is yet to come.

GUPTA: Jeanne didn't start running seriously until her 30s. As a third- grade teacher, she simply want to keep up with her students. Now, she is the current world record holder in the women 70-mile and the women 75-mile,

as well as the 400 meter and 800 meter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got this, Jeanne, focus.

DAPRANO: I would encourage people not to give up any kind of fitness (ph). I fount out I have a greater passion now than never because I'm

understanding who I am.

GUPTA: Exercise is one of the factors proven to have a big impact on our longevity. It reduces the risk of heart disease, the number one killer in

the United States. And the recent study shows that healthy habits which prevent heart disease can add as much as a decade to your life, if not

more. And it's not just adding years but quality years that count.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exercise first 20 minutes a day probably buys you two years life expectancy. Clearly a win. Second 20 minutes a day probably buys

you about one more year.

GUPTA: For the past decade, Jeanne has come here to work out with owner and trainer David Buer. He has tailored the workouts to meet Jeanne's aging

body.

DAPRANO: I'm still doing a lot of strength training. I make sure my body is well, like workouts. They're changing to meet my aging process. Is it

easy? Absolutely not.

GUPTA: This past February, Jeanne took on a new challenge. Her first ever indoor rowing competition, and in classic fashion, she broke the world

record in the 80 to 84 age group.

DAPRANO: When I get to the final finish line here on earth, I want this body to be worn out. There is not a thing left in it.

(LAUGHTER)

DAPRANO: I'm not going out of here some beautiful woman with no wrinkle. I'm not doing this to live to be 100. I'm doing this to be the best I can

be today, period.

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LU STOUT: Wow! She is 81 years old, she is beautiful, and she has amazing respect. You're watching "News Stream." After the break, a story perhaps

for those of us still sitting down staring the screen. Data shows over the last two years that people are googling dog videos, more often the cat

videos. But what does that reveal? What does that say about us humans? New York Times' critic-at-large Amanda Hess has a theory.

[08:35:00] We are going to speak with her, next.

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LU STOUT: It is an age-old question that can divide us as much as politics at the dinner table. Which are better, dogs or cats? Right now in the

internet, dogs appear to have bumped cats for the top spot in our hearts.

The other question is, does that reveal something about us? Now, let's take a look at Google Trends here, just one of many barometers out there. Dog

video searches caught up with cat video searches in late 2012. They battled it out for the top spot but dogs have since outpaced cats.

New York Times' critic-at-large Amanda Hess believes that the trend really says something about us humans. Dogs are known to be loyal and compliant.

Cats, well, they're not.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Did you (INAUDIBLE) to the pillow?

AMANDA HESS, CRITIC-AT-LARGE, THE NEW YORK TIMES: One pet turns its owner into prey and the other towers (ph) to authority, looking guilty as if

exhibiting a kind of human moral compass. (INAUDIBLE) clearer than in the differences between two of Japan's most incredible (ph) pets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): (UNTRANSLATED).

HESS: Maru (ph) the dog.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): (UNTRANSLATED).

HESS: And Mario (ph) the cat. One of them is a happy go lucky man out of town (ph) and the other is a sullen weirdo who lives out his days

attempting to sit his body into a series of impractical containers.

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LU STOUT: Now, that was New York Times' critic-at-large Amanda Hess. She joins me now. Amanda, thank you for joining us here in the program to talk

about this very significant issue here.

HESS: Thank you so much.

LU STOUT: Is it true? Have dogs taken over the internet? Where is the evidence? How have you seen this?

HESS: So, dogs are becoming more popular on Instagram. They are outpacing cats in Google searches and in YouTube searches. And they are also just

kind of having like a viral moment online right now. If you've seen the Twitter account WeRateDogs, the Facebook group Dogspotting, dogs just

seemed to be ascended (ph) online.

LU STOUT: For a while, the internet was ruled by cat names. You know, I remember the glory days of (INAUDIBLE) cat, you know, Grump Cat, et cetera.

Dogs are now, as you point, they're trending hard on the internet. Why are dogs winning this online power struggle?

HESS: I mean, in our culture, we see cats and dogs as representing really distinct things. So, dogs are obedient and cats are lawless. And dogs are

loyal and cats are independent. And we see dogs as being basically all really good boys and cats as being basically evil, like harmless but evil.

And I think that says something about how the internet itself is changing. So one thing that is happening is that the internet is becoming more

professionalized. It is starting to look more like old media, like movies and TV.

[08:39:59] And that really prioritizes dogs who can be trained unlike cats who are doing whatever they want.

LU STOUT: Does that also explain the phenomena (ph) that we have also seen, the popularity of videos that show cats that act like dogs?

HESS: Yeah, we are starting to see these adventure cats which I think is like a little bit of a sad as like a cat lady, a little bit of a sad trend

because it is taking cats but like taking all the cat out of them and having -- and showing them being obedient and hiking and swimming.

And I think the other thing that this trend shows is that the parts of the internet that are still lawless, you know, we used to see them as kind of

fun and harmless. And now, we have a lot of anxiety and skepticism about the parts of the internet that are out of our control.

We are seeing them cause damage. We are seeing harassment come from the internet. We are seeing the political process disrupted by the internet.

And I think this evil that harmless cats no longer seen quite so harmless.

LU STOUT: You know, it's interesting social theories that you are putting out there while we are seeing this online preference for dog videos as

opposed to cat videos. This desire for order as opposed to chaos in this tumultuous world and also now the internet is basically growing up. You

know, it wasn't that long ago when the internet was the wild west.

Are those days effectively over? You know, has internet culture fundamentally and irreversibly changed into something professional,

traditional, and safe?

HESS: I mean, I think it's both. I think the story of the internet is this collusion between, you know, highly corporate interest putting money into

it and this sort of lawless grassroots movement of unrelated people.

And I think, you know, it is still going to be that way for a long time. So, even though dogs are centered (ph) on the internet, cats aren't going

away. The battle continues.

LU STOUT: Yeah, for the record, dogs rule. I know you're a cat person, (INAUDIBLE). Amanda Hess.

HESS: I like dogs and I respect cats.

LU STOUT: Mutual respect. There we go. I like that. Amanda, really enjoyed reaping (ph) on internet culture with you. Thank you so much and take care.

Now, before we go, we got some good news from the San Antonio Aquarium. A shark named Miss Helen has been returned home after police say that she was

stolen in this brazen heist. You could see here two men and a woman with a baby hanging around the exhibit with a baby stroller.

One of the men uses a net he allegedly brought with him to grab the shark. He then dumps it into a bucket, stashes it into stroller, and then they

take off. The search for the shark led police to the home of a man who maintains an extensive collection of marine life.

This young 16-inch horn shark is being held in quarantine. Staff will test the water that she was held in and aquameter (ph) back into the aquarium.

One of the suspects is charged with theft. Charges are still pending for the other two. What a story.

That is it for "News Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout. Don't go anywhere. We got "World Sport" with Don Riddell, next.

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