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Grieving Hubby Killed Missing Wife, Girls; Shayna Hubers Case; Bear Entering Liquor Store. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired August 16, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:03] (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have two kids, we live in Colorado, and he is the best thing that has ever happened to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This house is not complete without anybody here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have been able to recover a body that we`re quite sure is Shannon Watts` body.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How could a young man`s pregnant wife and their two young daughters vanish in broad daylight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wasn`t here. The kids were not here. Nobody is here. I don`t know where my kids are. I don`t know where Shannon is.

It`s not something I could ever fathom what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did they vanish because he killed them?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have strong reason to believe that we know where the bodies of the children are.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A man grieving for his missing family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`re out there, just come back. If somebody has her, please bring her back. I need to see everybody again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He even described a timeline.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I left around 5:15 just earlier, I have no information of where she is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But now, he is locked up and charge with three murders.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The husband and father who pleaded for the return of his missing wife and daughters has reportedly confess to killing them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is absolutely the worst possible outcome that any of us could imagine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he really confess to murdering his whole family.

And why on earth would he do it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you guys get into an argument before she left?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn`t like an argument. We had an emotional conversation, but I`ll leave it at that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who wouldn`t be jealous if your boyfriend is stepping out with Miss Ohio?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think there are some movies that depict women in a very positive role and then some movies that put them in a little bit more

of a negative role.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But for Shayna Hubers that jealousy may have turned to blind rage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By the end of the movie, they show that woman power that I know we all have.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When her boyfriend had eyes for a stunning beauty queen, she pumped him full of six bullets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just talked to him. He said, OK, no problem, see you there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Ryan would not see Miss Ohio that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, I`m here, where are you here? Are you coming, but he didn`t show up. So I went home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Instead, Ryan was staring down the barrel of the gun his girlfriend used to kill him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. I`m not a murderer, ma`am, I just killed him in self-defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Will her text messages be the key to a second conviction?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were only two ways he was leaving his condo that night. Either as Shayna`s boyfriend or in a body bag.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield and this is "Crime and Justice."

From the sound of it, life inside their Colorado home could not have been any better. Shannon Watts seemed to worship her husband, Chris, with whom

she had two little girls and a baby boy on the way, but tonight, almost that entire family is dead, and the sole survivor is sitting in a jail

cell. Chris Watts was arrested late last night after reports say he confessed to killing that missing wife and their daughters, the same family

he desperately begged us all to help him find, even taking that plea to the "Today" show.

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CHRIS WATTS, SUSPECT IN KILLING FAMILY: It just seems like I`m living in a nightmare and I can`t get out of it. I just want them home so bad. I have

no idea, like, where they went. And it doesn`t -- it`s just earth shattering. I don`t feel like this is even real right now. I just want

them, people to know that I want my family back. Like, I want them safe and I want them here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Your first thought might be that something must have gone terribly wrong in that home, that maybe something had been going wrong in

that home for some time now, but the picture Shannon paints of her marriage is one of total bliss, especially when she goes back to the beginning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANNON WATTS, VICTIM: I got a friend request from Chris on Facebook. And I was like, oh, what the heck? I`m never going to meet him. Except, one

thing led to another and eight years later, we have two kids, we live in Colorado, and he is the best thing that has ever happened to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But the best thing that ever happened to Shannon might now be the reason that she is dead. Which leads to more questions than answers.

Did a man kill the three people who could not have loved him more?

[18:05:05] I want to bring in my panel, Jenna Ellis is radio host for KLZ 560. Also, CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant

Director, Tom Fuentes is with me. And defense attorney, Anahita Sedaghatfar is with me as well.

Anahita, I am going to ask you to hold on for a moment and Tom, wait for a moment, I do want to get to the most recent details. We`re hearing now

about a potential bond decision for Chris Watts. What did they decide, Jenna?

JENNA ELLIS, ATTORNEY AND HOST, KLZ RADIO: Yes, so on that bond decision, we actually still don`t have the details. That just happened in Colorado,

but in terms of the bond processing, if the Judge did ultimately even allow him to post bond, he still wouldn`t have been processed through the system.

And so we`ll be getting those details shortly, but the main thing, Ashleigh, is that the return on what charges will actually be filed by the

Weld County district attorney, they have set that date for Monday the 20th at 3:30, Mountain Time local.

And so we`ll see at that point in time what the district attorney ends up deciding to charge Chris Watts with in this case. Right now, the affidavit

that was in support of his warrantless arrest has been sealed by the judge in Weld County. So we know at least through reports that he is probably

facing first-degree murder charges. That was what he was arrested on suspicion on. But, again, Weld County will decide what charges to file

come Monday.

BANFIELD: Well, we`re seeing the pending charges listed as follows. First-degree murder, three counts, one for his wife, and two for those

children, but along with that, tampering with physical evidence, also three counts. I`m going to get to that question in a moment. And what it could

mean, but Jenna, this is a far cry, the images that we`re seeing of him parading through a courtroom in an orange jumpsuit from the images that we

saw yesterday begging for all of us to help him find his missing wife and missing daughters.

This is one of those stories that just throws you, because of the desperation in the emotional swing. At one point, you`re devastated for

this man, and at the next, you`re hearing he is confessed to it and you want to kill him, if he is guilty, you want to kill him. It`s just a

natural feeling. What do we know since the arrest at 11:30 last night? What has happened since, regarding the bodies of his wife and children?

ELLIS: Yes, the Frederick Police Department and Michael Rourke, who`s the Weld County District Attorney held a press conference at 9:00 a.m. Local

time this morning and they were very hesitant to share any details that they felt might compromise the ongoing investigation, but what we do know

at this time is that they have recovered what they believe to be Shannon`s body. And interestingly, that body was recovered from Anadarko petroleum

facility, which is the former employer of Chris Watts.

And also, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation chief there also said that they have a very firm suspicion and they likely know now where the bodies

of the two little girls are.

BANFIELD: That is right, you`re talking about John Camper, right? John Camper, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. In fact, I want to play for

you if I can, exactly how he put it, because one of the biggest questions is, yes, Chris Watts at some point worked for Anadarko petroleum. They are

now say he no longer works there. They won`t say when he stopped working there, whether what`s happened has caused him to no longer be an employee,

but we heard at 5:00 in the morning. That was the last he`d seen his wife and children, because he was off to work. And now we`re hearing that the

wife`s body has been found at that location and that the children are likely there as well. It`s all very curious. This is how John Camper with

the CBI put it.

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JOHN CAMPER, DIRECTOR, COLORADO BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: At this point, we have been able to recover a body that we`re quite certain is Shannon Watts`

body. We have strong reason to believe that we know where the bodies of the children are and recovery efforts are in process on that.

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BANFIELD: It`s very curious, Tom Fuentes, to hear it put that way. If he, according to some reports, confessed and led them to the bodies, why would

it be difficult to say, we have found all three, and we`re now in the identification process. This sounds very curious. Why do you think

they`re saying it this way?

TOM FUENTES, CNN`S SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST AND FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, we don`t know, Ashleigh, what they`re referring to as far

as the children go. So if they`ve recovered Shannon and have information about where the children might be, but they haven`t located them or maybe

the bodies were handled in such a way as to not be easy to recover, we don`t know. And I`m reluctant to speculate about the possibilities of how

they know where to go and how -- and what they`re going to recover, but haven`t yet done so.

[18:10:10] BANFIELD: And I know that there`s reluctance in speculation, because, you know, just hearing that the place where he worked was a

petroleum company, and it just conjures up all sorts of terrifying possibilities as to why it`s difficult to know if, in fact, they do have

these two girls, but instead, say "strong reason to believe we know where the bodies of the children are and we are working to recover them."

Also, I want to ask about the large bags of evidence that are apparently, have been seen being removed from that home. The pickup truck that was

towed away, obviously, you know, at this point, Tom Fuentes, every single shred of that home is being looked at for any bit of evidence they can get.

FUENTES: Exactly. And they want to find article of clothing that may belong to members of the family. They may also want to look for possible

hair or fiber, other evidence that might be from somebody else and try to rule out that anybody else may have been in that home and be responsible

for this. So if they only have the DNA evidence from him and the wife and two kids, then that makes it pretty clear to the police that there isn`t

another intruder that came and it wasn`t a burglary interrupted or something along those lines.

And also, the fact, you know, what we`ve heard so far, the police may believe that they`re dealing with psychopath, that he is going to have no

remorse, no empathy, nothing for those -- the people that he killed and for whatever reason he chose to kill them --

BANFIELD: OK, this is the confusing part. I mean, there is so much about, you know, a missing mom and her two daughters that is confusing, but then

when it turns out this way, it`s bewildering. Made all the way more bewildering by Shannon`s Facebook activity, and I want to read for you what

she wrote just on August 1st. August the 1st, that is 15 days ago. This is just two weeks ago.

"You know what I love about waking up every day? It`s a brand-new day to have a fresh start, to be better than I was yesterday, to help someone feel

better and happier and make someone smile and laugh." This is Shannon just two weeks ago. And then just a few months ago, I want to play for you what

Shannon had to say about being where she was in Colorado and coming into the summer months and how much she had to look forward to and the timeline,

the timeline that she was looking forward to leading up to August. Have a look.

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S. WATTS: I feel really blessed this summer, I`m going to San Diego with Chris. We`re going, June 22nd through the 26th -- no, the 26 we come home,

at 1:30 in the morning. And then the 26th, that afternoon at 5:30 at night, Bella, Cici -- Bella, Cici, and I and my dad are flying back to

North Carolina for six weeks.

Six weeks we`re going to be in North Carolina, Cici right? And we`re going to go spend time with our families. And friends and everything else and

then we`re going to come back August 7th and then I fly to Scottsdale, Arizona, on the 11th for a mini little retreat with my team and we`re going

to have a little -- a lot of fun. What are you doing? Look at this. Bella, say hi!

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BANFIELD: I have to say, this is maybe the most distressing part of hearing this timeline is that seeing these two happy children on the floor

with their dad. Everybody seems so positive in this house. And particularly, Shannon, seems so positive. And there doesn`t seem to be any

kind of act, because her husband, Chris, is sitting right in front of her with the children. And everything is so upbeat.

The outlook for summer is just so good. She even talks about this, this last few days. I mean, coming back on August 7th and flying off to

Scottsdale on the 11, five days ago, nothing seemed to be out of the ordinary. So which Jenna, I think, it leads me to -- what on earth is

anyone hearing about what possibly could have led to this kind of evil?

ELLIS: Yes, and you know, those reports are very slim right now. The district attorney in Weld County during the press conference this morning

was very careful to say that he didn`t want to comment on the ongoing investigation, including possibly motives that they may be uncovering. And

he wouldn`t comment, as well, on any of the potential confession and was very, very clear that Chris Watts is to be presumed innocent until proven

guilty in a court of law.

[18:15:13] And so we don`t actually have any other understanding, other than what`s out in the public domain on Facebook. Some of these videos on

social media, as well as the tape of what Chris Watts said --conversation, rather than an argument. And so that is really the only indication we have

about what potentially could have been their last conversation.

BANFIELD: Ok. I`m going to ask you to stand by, Jenna, if you will. I`m also going to ask Tom and Anahita to stand by too. Chris Watts seemed to

be saying all the right things when he was pleading to all of us to help find his family, but I work in the news business, for 30 years now and it`s

certainly something I have heard time and time again, only to find out later that the panicked family member might just not be so innocent.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My objective by doing these interviews is to get people to start looking for her again. And I`m not going to waste time defending

myself. I don`t -- I don`t really care what those people out there think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where do you think Stacey might be?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stacey loves male attention. She could be --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ran off with a guy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Ran off with a guy and she could be dancing somewhere, I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She never made it in this morning. And I panicked. I called the police and raced over here and found her car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whoever has my children that they please, I mean, please bring them home?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So what do you think? Does this lack like the face of a grieving husband and father who has no idea where his family is? We`re

going to dig a lot deeper into some of the signs in these interviews, coming up next.

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BANFIELD: We`re still talking about Chris Watts. That Colorado husband and father who sounded like a real hero, if you believe what his wife had

said about him, but Shannon Watts won`t be sharing anymore thoughts about him or her children, because we just found out that she is dead and so are

those two little girls. And so is the baby boy that was growing inside of her. And we just found out about the reports that her husband confessed to

killing all of them, hours after he had given convincing interviews saying that he had no idea where they were.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

C. WATTS: She wasn`t here, the kids weren`t here. Nobody was here. Knowing that I wasn`t going to kiss them to bed tonight, it was just --

that is why last night was just horrible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: My panel is still with me. And I want to also bring in body language expert, Janine Driver. Janine, thanks for joining me. I also

wanted to bring you into this conversation, because I could not get those interviews out of my head. When I found out the news that he`d been

arrested, all I could see was his face on TV, pleading to all of us to help him in his grief. What did you see that maybe I didn`t see during those

interviews?

JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Jenna, I don`t know where to begin here. When he said, "walked in the house and nothing was there." you mean,

my family wasn`t home, they weren`t there, not "nothing." What`s nothing? You mean, evidence? So he`s language betrays him here. He does shoulder

shrugs, which is uncertainty.

Here, the most concerning part for me Jenna, that you probably pick up on this is that smile. He begins to smile and laugh when he has, I just want

them back. Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, Susan Smith, back in the early `90s. We saw this smile, it`s called duping delight. Neil --

murdered his wife and little new born baby in Massachusetts years ago. Same smile in the courtroom. So this smile, the shoulder shrugs, we see

instead of sadness, we see contempt and we see disgust and we see anger. This is incongruent with someone who has a missing family. Or as you might

call it, "Nothing was home."

BANFIELD: So, I just want to say, you`re not seeing me, but you got Ashleigh here, we also got Jenna, who is in the interview panel, as well.

And I`m going to actually ask Jenna real quickly about the reporters out in your community. I mean, three of your reporters, to my count, it was at

least three he conducted interviews with and looked straight at them, begging them eye to eye, to get that message out there. There must be a

lot of talk amongst you, Jenna, and your fellow colleagues out there in the press about how duped you were.

ELLIS: Yes, you know, it was a really sad story, Ashleigh and I think that our hearts went out to this man and his family and everyone really wanted

to see a member of our community and those two precious little girls to come home safely. And so then when the report was released late last

night, I got a notification on my phone of the alleged confession and that was just -- it was shocking and heartbreaking. And of course, with the

recovery of the body this morning, that is likely --

[18:25:04] BANFIELD: It`s that gut punch. I mean, there`s nothing short of just being a gut punch when you see this happen. Look, at this point,

he has not officially been charged, but he is facing three counts of first- degree murder, as well as tampering. And we all risk the benefit of the doubt, but this is difficult, when you get reports that he is confessing to

this and led them to the bodies, it is extremely difficult to tell this story without some semblance of anger. I want to just show you again,

Chris Watts as he was pleading with us yesterday to help us out of his grief and find his loving family.

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C. WATTS: If you`re out there, just, just come back. Like, if somebody has her, just please bring her back. I need to see everybody. I need to

see everybody again. This house is not complete without anybody here. Please bring them back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Janine, one of the things that struck me is that he said, you know, it`s lonely here. And all I could think of is that lonely wouldn`t

be my first emotion. Terror, fear, panic, all of those would be my emotions, not lonely. I would be -- crowded, I would be crowded with those

emotions. Did that stand out?

DRIVER: Ashleigh, not only does that stand out, if you pay attention, you can see him do these long eye closes and he like double blinks his eyes.

These long eye closes are called eye blocking. We saw this with Casey Anthony from the courtroom, when footage came out with Casey Anthony

talking to her parents, when they came in and say, they still haven`t found Caylee. This eye blocking is indicative of people who are withholding the

truth.

This video was sent to me two days ago, right after it was done, I went on Facebook live and I pulled these screen shots and these long blinks and

these smiles and this contempt and this anger. And there`s zero sadness. Sadness is when our inner eyebrows pull together and up, Ashleigh, and we

don`t see it one time. And I say, I hope this is one case where my prediction on body language is wrong, and unfortunately, it wasn`t wrong.

BANFIELD: At this point, it doesn`t look that way. He still has his right in court. He has his day coming at some point. Anahita, to you on this

one. You know, if your loved ones go missing, you can just ask, you know, Elizabeth Smart`s father about this. Ed Smart was under the microscope

when Elizabeth went missing and it pains me to think of what he went through, because he didn`t take her, two other people did, but for nine

months, people were suspect of the Smart family.

You always have to look inward at those closest of the missing person, but if you are that person, you`re damned if you do, and you`re damned if you

don`t. If you don`t go on TV, you`re hiding something, and if you do go on TV, you might not look as sympathetic as, you know, everyone expect you to.

SEDAGHATFAR: That is right. But when you know you are a suspect in a triple murder case, Ashleigh, the best thing is to not give media

interviews. And what`s interesting here is the authorities said what raised red flags in their minds is the fact that he gave conflicting

statements during his different interviews.

So, in one interview, he told the media, he had no idea where his family could be. And then 10 minutes later, he gave another interview, I believe

it was to Fox News, where he said that he believed that they were supposed to go over to a friends` house. And so that is what kind of made the

police suspicious of him. And I think that is one of the reasons why they went and got a search warrant on his house and they executed that search

warrant and apparently got some more evidence against him. We know they also seized his vehicle in this case.

BANFIELD: Anahita, I am going to ask you, if you will to stay with me. In the meantime, I am going to thank Janine Driver for helping us to report

through this very, very sad set of circumstances. Our thanks to Jenna Ellis, as well, and Tom Fuentes, thank you.

Imagine for a moment that you are dating a successful young attorney, only it may not be going so well. And then you find out, he is got a hot date

with a brand-new girl. And she looks like this. That is the date. With a beauty pageant title and a sash to go along with her stunning good looks.

This is the competition for Shayna Hubers, the competition she may have found herself back in in 2012, and now she finds herself facing prosecutors

who say she didn`t take it too well. She is back in a Kentucky courtroom, facing a murder charge. And she is fighting for her freedom, because the

boyfriend who liked that beauty queen, well, he didn`t fare so well. Six bullets took him down. What will take her down, if anything?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:30:01] ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CRIME AND JUSTICE SHOW HOST, HLN: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. You have heard that over and over. But you

have never heard of a woman scorned like Kentucky`s Shayna Hubers, whose boyfriend of a year had some other plans one October night, plans that did

not involve Shayna.

[18:35:01] Instead, they involved this woman, none other than Miss Ohio, possibly the most beautiful woman in the Cincinnati area, with the badge

and the sash to prove it. And why wouldn`t the Miss USA pageant on NBC make it easy to picture the average ex-girlfriend getting pretty damned

jealous. But Shayna Hubers didn`t get jealous.

Police say Shayna Hubers got even. She couldn`t compete with Miss Ohio. And police say she shot her ex-boyfriend in the face the very night he was

supposed to meet up with the beauty queen, firing five bullets into Ryan Poston`s body after the first one. Firing until he died in a thick pool of

blood on his own apartment floor

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nine one one.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ma`am, I have -- I have an -- I -- I killed my boyfriend in self defense. Ma`am, and then because he was twitching and I

knew he was going to die anyway, and he was making funny noises and I shot him a couple more times just to kill him (Inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am sorry. You said you shot him a couple more times after that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you shot him instead of calling 911?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What? Yeah, I did, because I knew he was going to die anyway. It was pretty bad, OK. He was like, he was just twitching and

he was pretty much dead and I just shot him so he`d stop twitching.

BANFIELD: Shayna was charged with Ryan`s murder, and the stories she told during her first trial landed her locked up for 40 year years. Thanks to a

pesky technicality with the jury, she`s back in court for round two, and seemingly working a Jodi Arias defense, blaming her golden boy ex for his

own death.

Little did she know an old friend would turn up, with a serious blast from the past, some text messages from the good old breakup days that Shayna --

had been long deleted. With me now, Senior Trial Host for Law and Crime Network, Aaron Keller, also Jesse Weber, Host for Law and Crime Network,

and defense attorney, Anahita Sedaghatfar.

Thank you, all. This story, you could not write to be more of a Hollywood blockbuster. I`m going to begin with you, if I can, Jesse, and the fact

that three people turned up today that Shayna Hubers probably would have preferred stayed home, number one, Audrey Bolte, none other than Miss Ohio.

JESSE WEBER, HOST, LAW AND CRIME NETWORK: Pretty incredible the fact that they were going to meet the very night that he died. So their plans were

they met up on Facebook. They never met in person. They were chatting all up on social media. They had plans to meet up that night. We know from

witness who testified that Ryan, surprisingly so, was very excited to go on a date with Miss Ohio.

BANFIELD: But before you even get to the facts.

WEBER: Right.

BANFIELD: I can`t imagine what this would have been like, watching this stunning beauty queen walking into that courtroom, probably walking right

in front of Shayna Hubers. And I couldn`t imagine if you could cut the tension with a knife.

BANFIELD: It`s pretty incredible when she looks at what could have happened. And we believe that Ryan was going to tell Shayna that he was

going to go on a date with this woman. Can you imagine.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: That sounds like a breakup conversation. Not, hey, honey, I hope it`s OK. I am going out to meet Miss Ohio.

WEBER: I will be back in a few hours.

BANFIELD: I`ll be back later. It sounds like that would be a breakup.

WEBER: And imagine for her for a moment. She shows up to the gas station where they were going to meet and he never shows up. And why does he never

show up, because he died.

BANFIELD: But first and foremost, they`re meeting at a gas station because Miss Ohio was running late. And Miss Ohio actually might have come to that

apartment to meet him and meet Shayna Hubers.

WEBER: It`s incredible.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: Does she have any idea that she might have ended up dead as well?

WEBER: She was running late because of a family funeral. So in her mind, she probably thought what an inconvenience at that moment. Looking back on

it, it was a blessing in disguise, because who knows what would have happened if she had showed up to that actual an apartment. I`m scared to

think about that.

BANFIELD: So she did an interview in 20/20, in which the reporter was asking her very pointedly about the fact that you`re Miss Ohio. You don`t

get stood up for dates. Look how the conversation went.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must have been thinking this can`t be happening to me right now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah. He was very, you know, responsive to text messages. I had just talked to him. He said, OK, no problem. I will see

you there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many text messages do you think you sent him that night?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would say I sent probably two or three to him, saying hey, I am here, where are you, are you coming? And he didn`t show

up. So I went home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:39:59] BANFIELD: It doesn`t matter whether she`s in an interview with 20/20 or on the stage or probably at the gym. She is probably one of the

more beautiful women alive, which could not have made things easy for a girlfriend who knew she might be losing her boyfriend to this bombshell

beauty queen.

So Aaron Keller, this is the notion that I`ve got in my mind as I think about that Miss Ohio walking into the courtroom to testify about where she

was in this timeline of events, all the while, Shayna knowing full well that this might have been the reason that her ire went over the edge. Let

me just remind you, what in Shayna`s mind Miss Ohio looks like.

My thought is that they`re not pals. They don`t go out together. But she would know her from the pageant on television. So this is the woman Shayna

would know would be the competition.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Audrey, 23, Ohio.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ohio.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Ohio says she`s been riding horses since she could walk. And today, she loves teaching young girls how to ride. Maybe

that`s how she got those gorgeous legs. Check those out. They look a mile long here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Aaron, I am assuming she did not walk into the courtroom like this. But I am also assuming that there would have been a lot of jealousy

or tension as she did take that stand and tell her story.

AARON KELLER, SENIOR TRIAL HOST, LAW AND CRIME NETWORK: You know I am watching this, Ashleigh, from a media room. But I had the same exact

question that you had. I really wish I could have been there to see the look on Shayna Hubers` face when that witness walked in. Ultimately,

though, I think that the defense did score a couple of points with this witness, because the defense keeps trying to play the victim like he`s a

huge womanizer.

The defense was able to get out of Miss Ohio that she knew nothing about Shayna Hubers. So what kind of guy does that make Ryan Poston look like?

That`s what the defense tried to get out of that when they said she was a little bit helpful to both sides of the case.

BANFIELD: So it`s a good defense to say I knew nothing about that beauty queen, and that TV show, and that stunning local woman who then shows up to

testify in your trial. I am just wondering if the jurors are going to believe that. And maybe they won`t. Maybe where they`ll go is the

forensics and I will tell you what. If they like forensics, I am told that this day was like forensic files in the courtroom. Is that true, Aaron?

KELLER: Yes. The morning was very, very dry from a testimony standpoint. It was ballistics. It was DNA. It was blood evidence. And we were

sitting there saying hey look. This doesn`t add a lot to the case. We certainly (Inaudible) no stone unturned. In theory, they`re supposed to

get one bite of the apple, here, they`re getting two because of the problem of the original jury.

But here, the state wanted to get all of that in. It`s really not contested, though, who shot the weapon. The question is why she did it.

Was it self defense or was it something much, much more sinister. That`s the question for the jurors. So the morning was probably not the most

critical evidence. The afternoon, the afternoon was bombshell after bombshell after bombshell.

BANFIELD: I`ve got to say. I seized on the forensic gun residue, the gunshot powder that was found on Ryan that indicated that gun was anywhere

from two feet to six inches away from him. And the fact that the forensics expert said it was pointed in a downward position, which doesn`t really

tell you that the guy`s coming at her.

It tells you that the guy`s on the ground as he`s being shot. And this is how David Fornash, the sergeant who testified, talked about this whole

argument that there was a pitched battle. She was being thrown around that room, as you look at all of the things that are not tipped over on that

table. Listen to how he put it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ms. Hubers said that she was thrown around. We noticed that there wasn`t anything knocked over. Nothing was knocked down.

Nothing knocked over on the table. Actually, if you look, the first picture there was pill bottles. There were glasses. There was a box.

There was a lot of stuff on the table. So if -- it was how Ms. Hubers said it went, there would have been things knocked over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And how about those text messages that have come to light. Shoot him. Kill him. And play like it`s an accident. You`re going to

hear the full context, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[18:45:00] BANFIELD: We`re still talking about Shayna Hubers, the woman who may have been trying to win the breakup when she instead shot her

boyfriend in the face. She was sentenced to 40 years behind bars for it. But now, she`s back in court, and she`s armed with a whole new narrative,

saying Ryan Poston was an abusive boyfriend, not the superstar young lawyer who had just found himself a better arm piece.

[18:49:58] And when we talk about better arm piece, it don`t get much better than the most beautiful girl in the state, Miss Ohio, because she

was the planned date the night that he, instead, died. And I just want to draw our attention in this story that it wasn`t just Miss Ohio that made

that courtroom stunning and stellar and headline-worthy.

Well before Miss Ohio took the stand, there was some more fashion fabulous happening, and that was in the way of something that Shayna Hubers actually

mouthed to someone in court. It`s silent, but I am going to show you. And I think what you`ll be able to make out is that she appears to mouth the

words I love your shoes or shirt, not sure which. I love your shoes or shirt. We match. Take a look.

Could be shirt, could be shoes, definitely, we match. So all I can think of is that in this story, it seems unbelievable the delight that Shayna

Hubers is taking in this extraordinarily serious moment that she`s in now and has been in before. So Aaron Keller, real quickly, when she teased

ahead that it would be a surprise if she was going to take the stand, and in fact, let me show this to you. In one of her interviews, she thought

this was kind of a game. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will leave that up to -- I will make that a surprise. We`ll put that into surprise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surprise?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Aaron, do you think it`s possible that we`re going to be surprised? I don`t think she testified in round one. Do you think she`s

actually going to take the stand in round two?

KELLER: I wouldn`t be surprised in this case. Because look, she mounted the so-called orgasm defense, and I can`t believe I am saying that. But

she said that she couldn`t orgasm. This is a huge part of the opening statements. Well, how else are they going to get that into evidence

because the victim`s dead? Who else is going to testify to it?

BANFIELD: Yeah. And the way she makes light of so much of this starts back in the interrogation room where she was arrested. Have a look at this

moment where she talks about -- I can`t even believe I am saying this, but whether somebody would even marry her now that she`s facing all of this.

Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know if anyone will ever want to marry me if they know that I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. It`s not funny, but.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: No. It`s definitely not funny, and there`s no but that follows. It`s not funny. Anahita, these are the kinds of tapes that the defense

fought viciously to keep suppressed from a jury seeing in the first round. But these are the kinds of tapes that juries do see and they do not like,

and sure don`t make you feel sympathetic towards a defendant.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Of course. I mean when you`re on the trial for murder, Ashleigh, particularly in a self-defense case, you

want to appear sympathetic to the jurors. You want to be humanized. You want them to feel sorry for you, have sympathy for you. But when you see

some of these interrogation tapes where she`s giggling and laughing and talking about herself and shooting her boyfriend in the face because he

wanted a nose job, shooting him two more times to make sure he was dead.

I think that gives the jurors, you know, any other impression other than her being a sympathetic witness.

BANFIELD: How about this. Sympathetic or not, the hard facts are that these text messages of hers were read in court. Shayna telling her friend,

when I go to the shooting range with Ryan tonight, I want to turn around, shoot, kill him, and play like it`s an accident. And that was just 11 days

before he was actually shot dead.

There`s a photo, actually, of Shayna at the shooting range. Whether the jury gets to see this and what they think of it, who knows? But she`s

smiling at the shooting range. There`s also a fine line between love and hate, a friend tells her. And she says my love has turned to hate. All of

those are not helpful. Aaron Keller, Jesse Weber, thank you so much. Anahita, I`m going to ask you to stick around, if you will for me.

A real party animal, real party animal tries to jump start the weekend with a beer run to the local liquor store. I`ve got one more thing straight

ahead.

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[18:55:00] BANFIELD: I`ve got one more thing for you tonight, and it`s almost Friday, which means it`s almost Miller Time. And not just for you

or me, but for this fellow, who happened to be at Crazy Bruce`s Liquor Store in Bristol, Connecticut. The bear actually activated the automatic

door and then just sauntered right into the entrance.

And luckily, an employee actually saw what was going on and was quick to lock the main door before the bear could get all the way in. But that

means that the customer who followed the bear into the entrance could not get into the store either. And that customer actually had no idea how

close he came to being alongside the party animal, until he was safely inside.

As for the bear, he eventually got back out. And then we`re told that he just ran off into the woods without the beer, which is a good thing. Next

hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE starts right now.

Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. Welcome to the second hour of CRIME AND JUSTICE.

We are still tracking the very latest on tonight`s big stories, like the Colorado man now facing three murder charges. All of this after grieving

yesterday for his missing wife and daughters.

My producer, Ryan Miller, is on this story.

Ryan, these precious little girls, just three and four, and there was a little brother on the way.

RYAN MILLER, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Exactly right, Ashleigh. And tonight, authorities are on the hunt to recover those little

girls` bodies.

BANFIELD: So sad. We`re going to dig into what else we know about this remarkable story.

Also tonight, did a scorned woman shoot her ex-boyfriend in the face because she was jealous that he`d moved on to none other than Miss Ohio?

Kyle Peltz is covering this case for us.

Kyle, the text messages that are coming out in court sure don`t make it look like this girl was handling the breakup well.

KYLE PELTZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: Yes. Those text messages are damning, Ashleigh. Look, this was a guy who could have any girl he wanted.

He landed a date with Miss Ohio herself. He just never made it alive.

Shayna says she shot him in self-defense, but that`s going to be a tough one to prove.

BANFIELD: Boy. We`ll look into that, as well. What courtroom fireworks that must be.

Kyle, thank you for that.

First, I want to take you to Frederick, Colorado, where we now know what happened to the pregnant mom and her two little girls who vanished

seemingly into thin air this week. But to be frank, we wish we really didn`t know.

Because 3-year-old Cissy and 4-year-old Bella, their mom, Shanann Watts, and the baby boy growing inside of her, all of them are dead. And reports

say their own father and the husband confessed to killing them.

And if that`s not enough to process, try wrapping your head around this kind of an arrest when you hear how lovingly Shanann just spoke of her

husband, taking all of that affection to Facebook.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS, MISSING WOMAN IN COLORADO: I got a friend -- so friend request from Chris on Facebook, and I was like, oh, what the heck, I`m

never going to meet him. Except, well, one thing led to another and eight years later, we have two kids, we live in Colorado, and he is the best

thing that has ever happened to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And that`s how we thought Chris felt about his wife, too. From the very moment that he stepped here into the spotlight this week,

seemingly shaken to the core by the disappearance of his wife and two little girls.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS WATTS, HUSBAND OF SHANANN WATTS: I don`t know -- I don`t know where my kids are. I don`t know where Shanann is. It`s -- it`s not something I

could ever, ever fathom would happen in my lifetime. And I -- I have no information of where she is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But just hours after that interview, the mystery of the Watts girls would go from scary to sinister because Chris seemed to have known

all along exactly where his family was. Or at least where their bodies were. Bodies that police are recovering as we speak.

I want to bring in my panel, Jenna Ellis, radio host for KLZ 560. Also, CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI Assistant Director Tom

Fuentes and defense attorney Anahita Sedaghatfar.

Jenna, let me begin with you. Let`s get right to the recovery of these three victims. It is a very unusual situation with regard to the local

police.

They say they think they have the wife. They think they actually do have the body of Shanann. They are not quite as clear when it comes to the two

girls. Can you explain?

JENNA ELLIS, HOST, 560 KLZ THE SOURCE: Yes. So the Colorado Bureau of Investigation Chief, John Camper, said in a press conference with the

Frederick Police Department this morning here in Colorado that they think that they know where the bodies of the two little girls are.

But he was very careful to not disclose anything, about speculation about the cause of death, the manner of death, or really what the shape the

bodies would be in at the point that they may recover them.

BANFIELD: Tom Fuentes, what does that say to you, given the fact that he worked at a petroleum company and that he said he left for work at 5:00 in

the morning the day all of this began to unravel?

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, to me, it says that it may be a very difficult, maybe even an impossible situation to try to recover

the bodies.

[19:04:53] At a petroleum company, you could have dangerous acids and chemicals and vats and pools and drains, all kinds of things where you`d be

able to dispose of soft tissue like a human body. And it`s just gruesome to even think what possibly happened to those children.

BANFIELD: I want to read from Shanann`s Facebook post from just August 1st. August 1st, that would be 15 days ago.

Just two weeks ago, she was writing on Facebook, do you know what I love about waking up every day? It`s a brand-new day to have a fresh start, to

be better than I was yesterday, to help someone feel better and happier, to make someone smile and laugh.

Two weeks later, police and investigators are combing through the house where she and those daughters and husband, Chris, lived and, instead, are

walking out with evidence bags. We`re told large bags of evidence and reports that Chris has made this confession.

Jenna, what else do you know about this alleged confession?

ELLIS: Yes. So reports are coming out that -- even after so many media interviews took place from the time that Shanann and the two little girls

went missing. Then late last night, the reports came out that Chris Watts did confess.

He was detained. There`s an affidavit for warrantless arrest. And he is currently being held without bail. We learned that as well.

And the Weld County District Attorney will file charges Monday, and then he`s due back in court on what will likely be at least three charges of

first-degree murder, possibly four because she was 15 weeks pregnant. It will depend on how the Weld County District Attorney looks at the pregnancy

to determine if there may be a fourth count come Tuesday.

BANFIELD: And you know what, that`s always questionable, state to state, whether someone who is killed while pregnant will actually result in an

additional murder charge.

Anahita, do you have any intelligence on the Colorado statute and if there is even a statute that allows for this?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes.

BANFIELD: And if there is, maybe where the guiding licenses are. Often times, it`s a viable fetus, but what do you know about Colorado?

SEDAGHATFAR: My understanding, Ashleigh, is that there is no state statute in Colorado that allows the prosecutor to charge someone for killing a

fetus who is not viable. So there is no state crime when it comes to the fetus, as far as I understand the law in this state.

But we do know that it could be an aggravating factor when it comes to the first-degree murder charge of the wife. The fact that she was pregnant,

that could be used.

In the state of California --

BANFIELD: An aggravator.

SEDAGHATFAR: -- here, we do have a statute as we saw in the Scott Peterson case, where you can be charged for first-degree murder of a fetus.

BANFIELD: But I`m interested that you said it`s not that it`s dismissed completely. It becomes an aggravator. And I`ll remind our audience, this

is a death penalty state. Colorado is a death penalty state. And right now, here is what Chris Watts is facing.

The list of pending charges against him likely to come forward and, you know, in some kind of an indictment on Monday, first-degree murder, doesn`t

get more serious, three counts -- one for Shanann, presumably one for Cissy, 3 years old, and one for Bella, 4 years old -- as well as tampering

with physical evidence.

Many times, different states have, within their statute, aggravators being minors. You know, when children are killed, it`s even more serious. It`s

more aggravating.

I want to play for you, if I can, right now, something from Shanann`s Facebook postings because if you listen to her voice and if you hear what

she`s saying and the way in which she says it, nothing seemed to be wrong with this family.

This is just from a couple of months ago where she outlines plans for the summer. Upcoming plans, travel plans, and just how great everything seems

to be.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. WATTS: I feel really blessed this summer. I`m going to San Diego with Chris. We`re going June 22nd through the 26th. No, the 26th, we come home

at 1:30 in the morning. And then the 26th, that afternoon, at 5:30 at night, Bella, Cissy -- Bella, Cissy, and I and my dad are flying back to

North Carolina for six weeks.

Six weeks, we`re going to be in North Carolina, Cissy, right?

And we`re going to go spend time with our families and friends and everything else. And then we`re going to come back August 7th. And then I

fly to Scottsdale, Arizona on the 11th for a mini little retreat with my team, and we`re going to have a little -- a lot of fun.

What are you doing? Look at this.

Bella, say hi!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: The timeline is so telling. Everything seems fine in that home. What`s more telling is that last picture.

[19:10:03] Let`s roll the last little bit of that again, where you see those children happily playing on the floor with their father. The father

who is now facing murder for not only his wife, but those children. Do we have that video again, just the last part of that Facebook post?

I remember as I caught it, I couldn`t believe what I was seeing, just the joy -- the utter joy in this household from Shanann Watts` Facebook post,

playing with dad, running over to Bella. There`s Cissy in the pink. There`s Bella on the floor with father, Chris.

The same man who begged us to help him find his family yesterday. And the same man who, at 11:00 last night, 11:30, was arrested and facing murder

charges for all three.

I want to also -- since we`re on the Facebook thread, I want to read for you what Shanann`s brother has posted on Facebook. This is Frankie Rzucek.

I`m not sure I`m pronouncing it right, but this is what he says.

I just want to know why. My precious family, my one and only sibling, my sister, Shanann, two adorable nieces, Bella and Celeste, and her soon to be

found out unborn son, Nico. I just want 30 seconds alone with that heartless psychopath. May Satan have mercy on his soul.

The cops drug their feet. He was the only one with them and backed his truck into the garage. Doesn`t take a genius to know who was suspect. My

blood is boiling, and the pain and anger and sadness I have in my heart, nothing, absolutely nothing, would get in my way of taking away his life

like he did mine and my entire family.

Anahita, the aggravators here, this is the kind of thing that jurors will hear. They`ll feel, they`ll see the fact that these little kids were so

young, the fact that that little brother to be wasn`t even born.

SEDAGHATFAR: Absolutely. Those are factors that are going to come into play if this case goes to trial. I will say, though, he has a presumption

of innocence. There are still a lot of unanswered questions here.

We still don`t know exactly what the circumstances surrounding this confession were, Ashleigh. Was he read his rights? Was it a voluntary

confession? Was he coerced in any way? And what exactly did he say?

We don`t know that yet. So I think we have to just wait and let the process play itself out through the court system before we go and convict

this man already of murder.

BANFIELD: I know you`re absolutely right and I -- you know, yesterday, I sat in this seat and said over and over and over again, this man is

innocent. He`s not even a suspect at this point. He is not charged in any of this. For all we know, he is just desperate at this point.

And you feel like it is such a gut punch to protect his innocence and then hear the next day he is being hauled in, reportedly having confessed to

killing his entire family.

Tom Fuentes, there are also these charges of tampering with physical evidence. We don`t know what that evidence is, but we do know that there

was a camera on his doorbell. And a camera on the doorbell would tell us a lot about someone leaving the house if they had three bodies.

FUENTES: Well, it certainly could. So maybe he removed whatever mechanism there is in that device to record video that the camera is taking. Maybe

there are items in the house that he tried to remove and take to a dump -- you know, some place, to dispose of it. You know, we just don`t know

specifically that.

But I`d like to add one other thing in terms of the confession and the police arresting him. What we don`t know is -- you know, Shanann gives a

statement on that Facebook posting that her life is just -- couldn`t be more perfect and things are so fantastic.

And it could be that a close friend or a loved one, someone that knows otherwise, may have been in a position to tell the police, wait a minute,

she says she`s so extremely happy, but I know he abuses her or abuses the children. It`s not public knowledge, but she`s confided that in me.

So those kinds of things happen in cases like this --

BANFIELD: That`s why --

FUENTES: -- especially because --

BANFIELD: You know, but I will be honest with you, Tom, I played a small portion of it in, you know, deference to the family and their suffering

where we could have put 30 minutes of that soliloquy.

And if you watch the whole thing, you really do get the sense that this is her truthful nature. He is sitting feet away from her. She`s not hiding

away somewhere and, you know, wanting us to believe something. She just truly seems to be in bliss.

FUENTES: That`s exactly right. He is --

BANFIELD: She says it over and over again how happy she is.

FUENTES: He`s a few feet from her. So is she doing that as a message to him --

BANFIELD: That`s the point.

FUENTES: -- to try to educate him that you have the perfect life.

BANFIELD: She does walk outside --

FUENTES: You know, keep that in mind for whatever reason.

[19:14:56] BANFIELD: I will say, she does walk outside at one point to -- because the kids are noisy and they`re rambunctious, and she does walk

outside. And she is by herself for quite some time and continues this vein of how happy her life is. But you know what, we don`t know the whole story

yet. That is for sure.

I`m going to ask you all three to standby for a moment, if you will, because Chris Watts seemed to be saying all the right things when he was

out there in front of those cameras, pleading for us to help him find his family.

But frankly, this is obviously something we`ve heard before, right? Time and time again. In fact, do you remember Tyler Tessier? Tyler Tessier,

sitting down with the parents of his missing pregnant girlfriend, holding the hand of that mother and begging to have us help find her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TYLER TESSIER, BOYFRIEND OF LAURA WALLEN: Laura, if you`re listening -- I don`t know where she is, that`s all. I don`t know. Myself and your

family, like, I don`t -- and I`m asking, just let us know that you`re safe. I know we`re all trying to do everything we can.

I know what she means to me. I know what she means to everybody else.

I pray that she`s safe and we just want to know if she`s OK. We just want her back. That`s all I care about right now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But were those crocodile tears? Because he convinced no one and he was quickly arrested and charged in her death and told quite a story to

the police.

So what do you think? What do you think? Does this look like the face of a grieving husband and father who has absolutely no clue where his wife and

two beautiful daughters are?

We`re going to ask someone who can read right into that video, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[19:21:26] BANFIELD: We`re still talking about the missing person`s case that`s led to three murder charges. The pregnant mom and her two little

girls who disappeared into thin air and seemed to leave a distraught dad all alone. A dad who took that story to the "Today Show" and spelled out

the timeline.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

C. WATTS: I texted her a few times, called her. I didn`t get a response, which that was a little off. And then her friend, Nicole, showed up about

a little after noon. I could see on the doorbell camera.

That`s when I was just like, all right, something`s not right if she`s not answering the door. I saw that the car was here. I was like, I`ve got to

go home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But now there are some pretty gaping holes in that story because that husband is wearing orange and behind bars. Chris Watts, arrested. In

fact, hours after that interview. Chris Watts facing murder. Not once, not twice, three times for killing his entire family.

My panel is still with me. And I also want to bring in body language expert, Janine Driver.

Janine, I want you to look, alongside our viewers and me, at this moment that Chris Watts appealed to all of us to help him. Help him find his

family.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

C. WATTS: If you`re out there, just come back. Like, if somebody has her, just please bring her back. I need to see everybody. I need to see

everybody again. This house is not complete without anybody here. Please bring her back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: This house is not complete. I hate to put myself in the shoes of anybody who is missing a family, but oftentimes, behavior is the first

thing that investigators seize on. Janine?

JANINE DRIVER, CEO, BODY LANGUAGE INSTITUTE: First of all, the house is not complete? The house misses her? How about her -- him missing her? He

also doesn`t say my wife, my kids here. He is keeping it more distancing. We call this distancing language.

The concern that I have here, Ashleigh, is this long eye close that he is showing. And we see this eye blocking often with people. And it`s a big

concern.

And also, if you`re going to pretend to be crying, your nose should run, your inner eyebrows should pull together. And there`s a reason why we have

an ear, nose, and throat doctor because it all connects together. There is no sadness in this clip.

BANFIELD: Let me go over these issues and what your science shows you. For the rest of us, we`re watching a guy talk, but you`re looking at

specific flags and I want to list those out.

The first is that his eyes move to the upper left. What does that tell you?

DRIVER: So one of two things. It depends on if he`s right-handed or left- handed. Typically, right-handed people, when they look upper left, it`s recalling an incident. A right-handed person -- I mean, a right-handed

person, upper left is I`m recalling an incident. If I look up to my right, I`m creating an answer.

So either way, here, it doesn`t matter because what he is doing is he`s going visually in an inopportune time. This should not be happening. He

should not be going visually, so this is a hot spot.

BANFIELD: So then you also note anger in his face.

DRIVER: Yes. Now, this is anger right here. We see a lot of anger and a lot of disgust. And even after anger and disgust, we then will see a smile

in a couple of seconds here.

We see this at inappropriate times. I miss my wife, we had a conversation, all we did is I`ll leave it at that, and then that anger leaks out, that

lips disappear. I say, Ashleigh, when we don`t like what we see or hear, our lips disappear.

[19:24:58] BANFIELD: You also said -- you mentioned that his eyes flutter when he speaks, but then there is this other moment that was odd. He`s

laughing -- or he`s smiling. He`s got a delightful smile at one point in the interview.

DRIVER: Thank you for pulling this and thank you for your producers. This is where he says, "I want them back" and he smiles. This is called duping

delight. This ripped my heart out.

This is what had me saying, two days ago, this guy did it. Because we saw this with Susan Smith. Susan Smith drowned her two kids. She put down the

young boys, toddlers in the seat -- their car seats, drowned them in the water.

And when the helicopters were above and she was doing a press conference, she goes, the police still haven`t found anything as she slapped the same

smile that we saw here with Chris Watts. This is duping delight.

BANFIELD: I mean, it`s fascinating to see these elements that you`re able to point out in your science.

We should remind everyone, at this point, he`s facing first-degree murder times three and tampering with evidence. But at this point, the charges

haven`t come down officially, and he is innocent until proven guilty.

I want to play this one moment, as well, about this curious argument that Chris Watts said he had with his wife the night before. Maybe not so much

an argument, but something emotional. Very unusual. Have a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you guys get into an argument before she left?

C. WATTS: It wasn`t -- it wasn`t like an argument. We had like an emotional conversation, but I`ll leave it at that. But it`s -- I just want

them back. I just want them to come back.

And if they`re not safe right now -- that`s what`s tearing me apart. Because if they are safe, they`re coming back. But if they`re not, this --

this has got to stop. Like, somebody has to come forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, Tom Fuentes, you know, with your background in the FBI, I`m assuming that there`s a lot of behavioral science that goes into when

police see those kinds of interviews and how they react to those interviews.

FUENTES: First of all, Ashleigh, when the police hear that kind of stuff, the emotion and everything that he`s trying to display, they have seen it

all before.

You`ve played clips of the most obvious cases that received a lot of publicity, but the police see this day in and day out for -- from offenders

that do a variety of crimes, not just murders, who are psychopaths, sociopaths, have no remorse, con men, con women. And they just don`t buy

it.

So it takes a lot more than a few tears and, oh, I want them back. My house misses them. That goes in one ear and out the other from the police,

other than putting them on notice that they need to take a really close look at this guys.

BANFIELD: Yes. I was astounded that he was talking about how lonely things are. And that would be the last thing I would feel, is

lonesomeness. I`d be in terror if my family was missing. Lonely wouldn`t come into it, but everybody is different.

Janine Driver, thank you.

Jenna Ellis, thank you, as well.

And Tom Fuentes, always appreciate your expertise.

Anahita, I`m going to ask you to stick around, if you can, please.

I want you to imagine for a moment that you are dating a successful young attorney, but it isn`t maybe as going as well as you`d hoped. And then he

tells you he`s got a whole new plan with a whole new girl. And that girl looks like this. A beauty pageant winner, with a title and a sash to go

with those abs.

That is the situation that a woman named Shayna Hubers found herself in back in 2012. And the prosecutors say she did not take this so well and,

instead, pumped six bullets into Ryan Poston, killing him. And now she`s back in court. And she faced d this lady in the courtroom.

[19:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HLN HOST: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. You have heard that over and over. But you have never heard of a woman scorned

like Kentucky`s Shayna Hubers, whose boyfriend of a year had some other plans one October night. Plans that did not involve Shayna. Instead, they

involved this woman. None other than Miss Ohio. Possibly the most beautiful woman in the Cincinnati area, with the badge and the sash to

prove it. And why wouldn`t the Miss USA pageant on NBC make it easy to picture the average ex-girlfriend getting pretty damned jealous. But

Shayna Hubers didn`t get jealous. Police say Shayna Hubers got even. She couldn`t compete with Miss Ohio, and police say she shot her ex-boyfriend

in the face the very night he was supposed to meet up with the beauty queen, firing five bullets into Ryan Poston`s body after the first one.

Firing until he died in a thick pool of blood on his own apartment floor.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:35:03] DISPATCHER: Campbell County 911.

SHAYNA HUBERS, DEFENDANT: Ma`am, I have -- I have an -- I have -- I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. Ma`am, and then because he was twitching and

I knew he was going to die anyway and he was making funny noises, I shot him a couple more times just to kill him because I knew he would have been

--

DISPATCHER: I`m sorry, you said you shot him a couple of more times after that?

HUBERS: Yes.

DISPATCHER: So, you shot him instead of calling 911.

HUBERS: Do what? Yes, I did because I knew he was going to die anyway.

DISPATCHER: OK.

HUBERS: He was pretty bad. He was like -- he was just twitching and he was pretty much dead and I shot him just so he`d stop twitching.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Shayna was charged with Ryan`s murder and the stories she told during her first trial landed her locked up for 40 years. Thanks to a

pesky technicality with the jury, she`s back in court for round two and seemingly working a Jodi Arias defense, blaming her golden boy ex for his

own death. Little did she know, an old friend would turn up with a serious blast from the past, some text messages from the good old breakup days that

Shayna probably wishes had been long deleted.

With me now, Senior Trial Host for Law & Crime Network, Aaron Keller. Also, Jesse Weber, host for Law & Crime Network, and Defense Attorney

Anahita Sedaghatfar. Thank you all. This story, you could not write to be more of a Hollywood blockbuster. I`m going to begin with you, if I can,

Jesse. And the fact that three people turned up today, that Shayna Hubers probably would have preferred stayed home. Number one, Audrey Bolte, none

other than Miss Ohio.

JESSE WEBER, HOST, LAW & CRIME NETWORK: Pretty incredible, the fact that they were going to meet the very night that he died. So their plans were -

- they met up on Facebook, they never met in person. They were chatting all up on social media, they had plans to meet up that night, we know from

witnesses who testified that Ryan, surprisingly so, was very excited to go on a date with Miss Ohio.

BANFIELD: But before you even get to the facts --

WEBER: Right.

BANFIELD: I can`t imagine what this would have been like, watching this stunning beauty queen walking into that courtroom, probably walking right

in front of Shayna Hubers, and I couldn`t imagine if you could cut the tension with a knife.

WEBER: It`s pretty incredible, when she looks at what could have happened. And we believe that Ryan was going to tell Shayna that he was going to go

on a date with this woman. Can you imagine what that would --

BANFIELD: That sounds like a breakup conversation.

WEBER: Right.

BANFIELD: Not, hey, honey, I hope it`s OK, I`m going out to meet Miss Ohio.

WEBER: I`ll be back in a few hours.

BANFIELD: I`ll be back later. It sounds like that would be a breakup.

WEBER: And imagine for her for a moment, she shows up to the gas station where they were going to meet up and he never shows up, and why does he

never show up? Because he died.

BANFIELD: But first and foremost, they`re meeting at a gas station because Miss Ohio was running late and Miss Ohio actually might have come to that

apartment to meet him and meet Shayna Hubers.

WEBER: It`s incredible.

BANFIELD: Does she have any idea that she might have ended up dead as well?

WEBER: She was running late for a (INAUDIBLE) because of a family funeral. So, in her mind, she probably thought, what an inconvenience at that

moment. Looking back on it, it was a blessing in disguise because who knows what would have happened if she showed up to that actual apartment.

It`s -- I`m scared to think about that.

BANFIELD: Well, she did an interview with "20/20" in which -- the reporter was asking her very pointedly about the fact that you`re Miss Ohio, you

don`t get stood up for dates. Look how the conversation went.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must have been thinking, this can`t be happening to me right now.

AUDREY BOLTE, MISS OHIO 2012: Yes, he was very, you know, responsive to text messages. I had just talked to him. He said, OK, no problem, see you

there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many text messages do you think you sent him that night?

BOLTE: I would say I sent probably two or three to him saying, hey, I`m here, where are you, are you coming? And he didn`t show up, so I went

home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: It doesn`t matter whether she`s in an interview with "20/20" or on the stage or probably at the gym, she is probably one of the more

beautiful women alive, which could not have made things easy for a girlfriend who knew she might be losing her boyfriend to this bombshell

beauty queen. So, Aaron Keller, this is the notion that I`ve got in my mind as I think about that Miss Ohio walking into the courtroom to testify

about where she was in this timeline of events. All the while, Shayna knowing full well that this might have been the reason that her ire went

over the edge. Let me just remind you what in Shayna`s mind Miss Ohio looks like. My thought is that they`re not pals, they don`t go out

together, but she would know her from the pageant on television. So, this is the woman Shayna would know would be the competition.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[19:40:02] BOLTE: Audrey Bolte, 23, Ohio.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ohio!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, Miss Ohio says that she`s been riding horses since she could walk. And today, she loves teaching young girls how to

ride. Maybe that`s how she got those gorgeous legs. Check those out. They look a mile long here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So, Aaron, I`m assuming she did not walk into the courtroom like this, but I`m also assuming that there would have been a lot of jealousy or

tension as she did take that stand and tell her story.

AARON KELLER, SENIOR TRIAL HOST, LAW & CRIME NETWORK: You know, I`m watching this, Ashleigh, from a media room, but I had the same exact

question that you had. I really wish I could have been there to see the look on Shayna Hubers` face when that witness walked in. Ultimately,

though, I think that the defense did score a couple of points with this witness, because the defense keeps trying to play the victim like he`s a

huge womanizer. The defense was able to get out of Miss Ohio that she knew nothing about Shayna Hubers, so what kind of guy does that make Ryan Poston

look like? That`s what the defense tried to get on to that when they said, hey, she was a little bit helpful to both sides of the case.

BANFIELD: So, it`s a good defense to say, I knew nothing about that beauty queen and that T.V. show and that stunning local woman who then shows up to

testify in your trial. I`m just wondering if the jurors are going to believe that? And maybe they won`t. Maybe where they`ll go is the

forensics. And I`ll tell you what, if they like forensics, I`m told that this day was like "FORENSIC FILES" in the courtroom. Is that true, Aaron?

KELLER: Yes, the morning was very, very dry from a testimony standpoint. It was ballistics, it was DNA, it was blood evidence. And we were sitting

there saying, hey, look, this hasn`t really add a lot to the case. We`ve certainly -- the state wants to leave no stone unturned. They -- in

theory, they`re supposed to get one bite at the apple, and here they`re getting two because of the problem with the original jury. But here, the

state wanted to get all of that. It`s really not contested, though, who shot the weapon. The question is, why she did it. Was it self-defense or

was it something much, much, more sinister. That`s the question for the jurors. So, the morning was probably not the most critical evidence. The

afternoon -- the afternoon was bombshell after bombshell after bombshell.

BANFIELD: Well, I got to say, I seized on the forensic gun residue, the gunshot powder that was found on Ryan that indicated that gun was anywhere

from 2 feet to 6 inches away from him. And the fact that the forensics expert said it was pointed in a downward position, which doesn`t really

tell you that the guy is coming at her. It tells you that the guy is on the ground as he`s being shot. And this is how David Fornash, the sergeant

who testified, talked about this whole argument that there was a pitched battle. She was being thrown around that room, as you look at all of the

things that are not tipped over on that table. Listen to how he put it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SGT. DAVID FORNASH, HIGHLAND HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT: Miss Hubers said that she was thrown around. We noticed that there wasn`t anything knocked

over. Nothing was knocked down. Nothing knocked over on the table. There was actually, if you would look over at the first picture, there was pill

bottles, there was glasses, there was a box, there was -- there was a lot of stuff on the table. So, if it was how Miss Hubers said it went, there

would have been things knocked over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And how about those text messages that have come to light? "Shoot him, kill him, and play like it`s an accident." You`re going to

hear the full context, next.

[19:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: We`re still talking about Shayna Hubers, the woman who may have well been trying to win the breakup when she instead shot her boyfriend in

the face. She was sentenced to 40 years behind bars for it, but now she`s back in court and she`s armed with a whole new narrative, saying Ryan

Poston was an abusive boyfriend, not the super star young lawyer who had just found himself a better arm piece. And when we talk about better arm

piece, it don`t get much better than the most beautiful girl in the state, Miss Ohio, because she was the planned date the night that he instead died.

And I just want to draw our attention in this story that it wasn`t just Miss Ohio that made that courtroom stunning and stellar and headline-

worthy. Well before Miss Ohio took the stand, there was some more fashion fabulous happening, and that was in the way of something that Shayna Hubers

actually mouthed to someone in court. It`s silent, but I am going to show you and I think what you`ll be able to make out is that she appears to

mouth the words, "I love your shoes," or "shirt," not sure which. "I love your shirt (INAUDIBLE). I love your shoes. We match." Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[19:49:57] BANFIELD: Could be shirt, could be shoes. Definitely, we match. So, I -- all I can think of is that in this story, it seems

unbelievable the delight that Shayna Hubers is taking in this extraordinarily serious moment that she`s in now and has been in before.

So, Aaron Keller, real quickly, when she teased ahead that it would be a surprise if she was going to take the stand, and in fact, let me show this

to you in one of her interview, she thought this was kind of a game. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUBERS: I`ll leave that up to -- I`ll make that as surprise. We`ll put that into surprise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surprise?

HUBERS: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Aaron, do you think it`s possible that we`re going to be surprised? I don`t think she testified in round one. Do you think she`s

actually going to take the stand in round two?

KELLER: I wouldn`t be surprised in this case because, look, she mounted this so-called orgasm defense. And I can`t believe I`m saying that because

she`s saying that she couldn`t orgasm. This is a huge part of the opening statements. Well, how else are they going to get that into evidence

because the victim is dead? Who else is going to testify to it?

BANFIELD: Yes, and the way she makes light of so much to this started right back in the interrogation room when she was arrested. Have a look at

this moment where she talks about -- I can`t even believe I`m saying this, but whether somebody would even marry her now that she`s facing all of

this. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUBERS: I don`t know if anyone will ever want to marry me if they heard that I killed my boyfriend in self-defense. It`s not funny but --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: No, it`s definitely not funny and there`s no but that follows it`s not funny. Anahita, these are the kinds of tapes that the defense

fought viciously to keep suppressed from a jury seeing in the first round. But these are the kinds of tapes that juries do see and they do not like

and they sure don`t make you feel sympathetic towards a defendant.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Of course. I mean, when you`re on trial for murder, Ashleigh, particularly in a self-defense case, you want

to appear sympathetic to the jurors. You want to be humanized, you want them to feel sorry for you, have sympathy for you, but when you see some of

these interrogation tapes where she`s giggling and laughing and talking about herself and shooting her boyfriend in the face because he wanted a

nose job, shooting him two more times to make sure he was dead, I think that gives the jurors, you know, any other impression other than her being

a sympathetic witness.

BANFIELD: How about this, sympathetic or not, the hard facts are that these text messages of hers were read in court, Shayna telling her friend,

"When I go to the shooting range with Ryan tonight, I want to turn around, shoot, kill him and play like it`s an accident," and that was just 11 days

before he was actually shot dead. There`s a photo actually of Shayna at the shooting range. Whether the jury gets to see this and what they think

of it, who knows? But she`s smiling at the shooting range. There`s also a fine line between love and hate, a friend tells her, and she says my love

has turned to hate. All of those are not helpful.

Aaron Keller, Jesse Weber, thank you so much. Anahita, I`m going to ask you to stick around, I you will for me.

A real party animal, real party animal tries to jump start the weekend with a beer run to the local liquor store. I got "ONE MORE THING" straight

ahead.

[19:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Oklahoma has more female prisoners than any other state in the union, and that`s why this week`s CNN Hero is giving some of these women a

voice and the power to heal themselves. Meet high school English teacher Ellen Stackable.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I came here when I was 20. I have a 30-year sentence. After I hit the yard and I kind of got a taste of what prison

was, it shocked me that I was here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a lot of feelings in prison and you don`t get to feel them. You`re not a person and your feelings are not valid.

ELLEN STACKABLE, CNN HERO: Many of the women that are incarcerated have been victims of some kind of abuse. We provide a safe place for them to

overcome trauma and pain. So, there`s so much more than just writing. It becomes a therapeutic way for healing to occur.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: CNN was able to get extraordinary access for this story and you can go inside Mabel Bassett Correctional Center and hear more from these

incredible voices by going to cnnheroes.com right now.

Got "ONE MORE THING" for you tonight. And we`ve always heard about party animals but this is the real deal. A brown bear wonders into Crazy Bruce`s

Liquors Store in Bristol, Connecticut. Not a joke. He actually activated the automated door and then sauntered into that entrance. Luckily, an

employee noticed what was going on and was quick to lock the main door before the bear could get in any further, but that means that a customer

who actually followed the bear into the entrance couldn`t get in the store either and the customer actually had no idea about his wildlife close

encounter until he was actually on the other side of the glass partition. As for the bear, he actually made it back outside and then took off to a

place he probably is more familiar with, the woods. Good place for him.

See you back here on Monday night. Thanks for watching, everybody. Stay tuned.