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Donald Trump Holds a News Conference. Aired 5-6p ET
Aired September 26, 2018 - 17:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
[17:00:00] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: But it's got to be a two-way street, and for 25 years, or longer, was not. And trillions and trillions of dollars was taken out of the United States for the benefit of China, and we just can't have that. We have to make it fair. So we're at $250 billion now, at 25 percent interest, and a lot of money is coming into our coffers.
And it's had no impact on our - absolutely, by the way, no impact on our economy, which I said it wouldn't. In fact, steel is like the hottest industry there is. If you look at what happened with steel, we're charging a 25 percent tariff for the dumpers. They dump massive amounts of steel. They want to put the steel companies out of business, and after they're out of business, they're come in and charge five times more than you ever thought possible.
And we need steel, and we need aluminum. And those industries are doing well, but steel is incredible. U.S. steel is opening up a minimum of eight plants, Nucor is opening up plants, and these are big plants - $750 million and $1 billion plants, in some cases. So what's happening with the steel industry is very exciting to me. It's being rebuilt, over night.
If you look at the miners and coal, if you look at energy, LNG, Japan just gave us some numbers that are incredible. They're doubling the amount that they are going to be buying for Japan. They're taking the LNG and they're doubling it up.
I said, "You have to do me a favor. We don't want these big deficits. You're going to have to buy more." They're buying massive amounts of equipment military equipment, and other countries are doing the same thing, because we have trade imbalances with almost everybody. It's a rare exception that we don't.
So we are doing great, as a country. Unfortunately, they just raised interest rates a little bit, because we are doing so well. I'm not happy about that, because I know it's going to be a question. I am not happy about it. I'd rather pay down debt or do other things, create more jobs. So I'm worried about the fact that they seem to like raising interest rates. We can do other things with the money.
And - but they raised them, and they're raising them because we're doing so well, you know. We're doing much better than I had projected, in terms of when I was campaigning. I said, "We were going to do this. And we're doing much better than - than anybody ever thought possible." And I will say, if others got in, it would've been just the opposite because they were going to put restrictions on, they were going to put regulations on. They were going to choke the economy, as it was already choking, but it would've been worse, and they were going to raise your taxes. That's what they want to do now, if they ever got control, which I don't think they'll have control for a long time.
So with that being said, we'll take some questions and - yes, please.
John, go ahead. We have plenty of time.
QUESTION: Mr. President, thank you very much. But of course, what you're looking forward to tomorrow is the hearings with Judge Kavanaugh ...
QUESTION: ... before the Judiciary Committee.
QUESTION: In 1991, when Joe Biden passed along to the Bush 41 White House, the allegations that Anita Hill had raised against Clarence Thomas, the Bush White House asked the FBI to look into it, as part of Judge Thomas' background investigation, not a criminal investigation ...
TRUMP: Right, right.
QUESTION: ... but a background investigation. When these allegations were raised, why didn't this White House do the same thing? And with all of the allegations that are coming out now about Judge Kavanaugh, was there an opportunity missed here to have investigators look in to this and get some sort of clarity one way or the other?
TRUMP: Well, the FBI told us they've investigated Judge Kavanaugh six times, five times -- many times over the years. They know him very well. But here there was nothing to investigate from at least one standpoint -- they didn't know the location, they didn't know the time, they didn't know the year -- they didn't know anything. And it's like, where do you go?
Also it's not for the FBI, if you look at what Joe Biden said, he said, "They don't do this," and he said it very clearly. So I think when you really look at it all, it's not going to change any of the Democrats' minds; their obstructionists. They're actually con artists, because they know how quality this man is and they've destroyed a man's reputation, and they want to destroy it even more.
And I think people are going to see that in the midterms. What they've done to this family, what they've done to these children -- these beautiful children of his, and what they've done to his wife. And they know it's a big, fat con job. And they go in to a room, and I guarantee you, they laugh like hell on what they pulled off on you and on the public, they laugh like hell.
[17:05:00] So it wouldn't have mattered if the FBI came back with the cleanest score, and you understand that very well, John. If they would have come back with a most perfect, we found everything and he's perfectly innocent of everything, it wouldn't have made a difference; you wouldn't have gotten one vote.
Now, we will get votes from the democrats if we win. You'll have three, four or five Democrats giving us votes, because they're in states that I won by 30 and 40 points, and they're going to give us votes. But other than that you probably won't get any, John.
Yes, go ahead, please?
QUESTION: Mr. President, there are now three women accusing Judge Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct. Are you saying that all three of those women are liars? Is there anything that could be said...
QUESTION: ...tomorrow that could cause you to withdraw the nomination? Anything at all that...
TRUMP: I won't get in to that game. I only tell you this -- this is one of the highest quality people that I've ever met. And everybody that knows him says the same thing, and these are all false to me. These are false accusations in certain cases, and certain cases even the media agrees with that. I can only say that what they've done to this man is incredible.
You know, it's very interesting I pick a lot of judges -- I have a 145 judges I will be picking by the end of a fairly short period of time, because President Obama wasn't big on picking judges. When I got there I said, how is this possible? I have 145, including Court of Appeals, judges. And they just didn't do it, you know why? They got tired, they got complacent -- something happened. I have 145 judges. Everybody wants to be a federal judge, not just a Supreme Court Judge. I'm talking about Court of Appeals. I'm talking about District Court. I don't think they're going to want to so much. I'll be calling people, and we'll have people calling people that do this.
And people are going to be scared, because we could say it about you. Thirty-five years ago you -- and you might not know what's going on. What is going on? Why did they wait so long? Why did Senator Feinstein wait until the hearings were over, and make this case? Why didn't she bring it right at the beginning?
When you ask about, as an example, the FBI -- why didn't they bring this right at the beginning during the hearing? You would have had all the time in the world for the FBI. It would have been fine. Now, the FBI as you know did investigate this time, as they have five or six other times, and they did a very thorough investigation. But this is a big con job.
And I would love to be in the room with the Democrats, close the door, you guys are all away, outside waiting and Schumer and his buddies are in there laughing. How they fooled you all. Let's just stop them. A big, fat con.
Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: But -- but, Mr. President, if I could follow-up, you have daughters. Can you understand why a victim of sexual assault would not report it at the time? Don't you understand?
TRUMP: By the way, I only say this, 36 years. No charge. No nothing. Everybody...
QUESTION: But -- but that -- that happens often. I mean...
TRUMP: ... People are going to have to make a decision. Thirty-six years, there's no charge. All of a sudden, the hearings are over and the rumors start coming out. And then you have this other con artist, Avenatti, coming out with another beauty today. I only say that you have to look at the facts.
The senators are very capable people. They're very good people. I know many of them, they're friends of mine. These are very talented, very good people and they're going to vote. They're going to have to believe what they believe.
I can -- when I look at what's happened to the reputation of a great gentleman -- a great intellect, a brilliant man, somebody that has a chance to be one of our great Supreme Court justices in history -- intellectually, I think it's a shame.
QUESTION: Yes, Mr. President. My name is Tomas Regalado (ph) from Radio and TV Marti.
QUESTION: Mr. President, yesterday at the speech at the U.N., you spoke about how Venezuela's problem was because of Cuba and the Castros, how they went in there and they brought socialism and communism to Venezuela, and now to Nicaragua as well. Mr. President, are you going to be more proactive now against Cuba as well? And...
TRUMP: I've been very proactive against Cuba. I don't like what's happening in Cuba. As you know, President Obama gave them a pass and I didn't like it, neither do Cuban people based in Miami, and based in our country that came from Cuba and suffered in Cuba.
I don't like what he did I've ended much of it, most of it. I don't like what's happening in Cuba and I certainly don't like what's happening in Venezuela.
QUESTION: Mr. President...
TRUMP: Yes, please. Go ahead. QUESTION: ... Mr. President, just to finish really fast, you said also that you had a call to action to ask the leaders around the world to also end socialism. Would you like to be recognized as a (inaudible)...
TRUMP: Well, I wouldn't say that socialism has been working really well around the world, OK? You can take a look at Venezuela as your number one -- your number one -- I guess, the one that's most obvious. But you take a look around the world; socialism is not exactly riding high.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
TRUMP: ... Go ahead.
QUESTION: Thank you very much. If you don't mind, after I'm finished, if Wegener (ph), or Halley (ph), or -- or Vivian (ph) or one of our female colleagues could go after me, that would be great. Mr. President, just to follow-up on these allegations against Brett Kavanaugh...
TRUMP: What -- what does he mean by that? Explain. What -- what does -- what does that mean?
QUESTION: I think it would be -- I think it would be great if a -- if a female reporter got...
TRUMP: What does it mean? No, what does it mean?
QUESTION: ... I think it'd be great if a female reporter would ask you a question about the -- this issue. So, if you don't mind, I'd like to pass...
TRUMP: I wouldn't mind that at all, no.
QUESTION: ... All right.
TRUMP: Wouldn't mind it at all.
QUESTION: All right, well, let me -- if I could...
TRUMP: Wouldn't make any difference to me.
QUESTION: ... All right.
TRUMP: Go ahead.
QUESTION: If I could follow-up on John (ph) and John's (ph) question, why is it, Mr. President, that you always seem to side with the accused and not the not the accuser? You have three women here who are all making allegations, who are all asking that their stories be heard.
QUESTION: And you know, if you look at the case of Roy Moore, if you look at the case of one of your staffers, you seem to, time and again, side with the accused and not the accuser. Is that because of the many allegations that you've had made against you over the years?
TRUMP: Well first of all, I wasn't happy with Roy Moore, let's get that straight. But Roy Moore was in a Republican candidate and I would've rather had a Republican candidate win. I was very happy with Luther Strange, who was a terrific man from Alabama, but Luther Strange had a lot of things going against him as far as women -- whether it's a man or a woman, these are, you know, it can happen the other way.
Allegations can go the other way also, you understand that. And whether it was a man or woman 30 years ago, 36 years ago, in fact I don't even know how many years ago because nobody knows what the time is. That's a long time and I could pick, as an example, hopefully I won't have to do it as a replacement, because hopefully this is going to go very well on Thursday. It's going to go very well on Monday or Saturday or Sunday or whenever they vote, but I could pick a woman and she could have charges made from many years ago also.
TRUMP: And I would look at the character -- no. What I have to do...
QUESTION: Or reluctant to come forward. You've raised doubts about these accusers. Many of them...
TRUMP: I don't think people are reluctant to come forward. They're going to have a chance to speak -- they have a major chance -- excuse me, excuse me. They have major chance to speak and it will be tomorrow, I assume. We've delayed this, meaning the Republican senators, not me, the Republican senators have delayed this for weeks now. They're giving the women a major chance to speak. Now it's possible I'll hear that and I'll say hey I'm changing my mind. That is possible. We want to give them a chance to speak and they're given...
QUESTION: Giving all three a chance? All three should have a chance.
TRUMP: Well, whoever is given a chance. We've delayed it a long time, but they're going to have a big shot at speaking and making their case. And you know what? I can be persuaded also. OK? Yes, please. Please, go ahead. Go ahead. I'd like to go -- yes, go ahead, please.
QUESTION: Thank you Mr. President. And a couple of questions for you to follow up on some answers that I didn't quite hear from you, if you would allow me a couple of questions. First of all, do you think these women, all three of them, are liars, yes or no?
TRUMP: Have they been what?
QUESTION: Are they liars?
TRUMP: I can't tell you, I have to watch tomorrow, I have to read. I just heard about one a little while ago. I can tell you her lawyer is a low-life, OK. So I can't tell you whether or not they're liars until I hear them. I don't know what happened today because I've been very busy with Japan, with South Korea, with China and about seven other countries, as you know, and I chaired the Security Council. So I don't know about today's person that came forward. I do know about the lawyer and -- and you don't get much worse -- bad reputation, to take a look at his past.
So as far as the other women are concerned, I'm going to see what happens tomorrow. I'm going to be watching. You know, believe it or not I'm going to see what's said. It's possible that they will be convincing. Now with all of that being said, Judge Brett Kavanaugh has been for many years, one of the most respected people in Washington. He's been on, I guess you'd call it the second highest court. And every single person knows him, a lot of people know him well and those people don't believe what's going on. I can always be convinced. I have to hear it.
QUESTION: It sounds like what you're saying is there is a situation, there is a scenario under which you would withdraw Brett Kavanaugh's nomination. Is that correct?
TRUMP: If I thought he was -- if I thought he was guilty of something like this, yes sure.
QUESTION: And you will wait until tomorrow to make up your mind?
TRUMP: I want to watch. I want to see. I hope I can watch. I'm meeting with a lot of countries tomorrow. But I will certain in some form be able to watch, and I'll also rely on some very fair and talented Republican senators who -- look, if we brought George Washington here and we said, we have George Washington, the Democrats would vote against him. Just so you understand. And he may have had a bad past. Who knows, you know?
He may have had some, I think, acquisitions made. Didn't he have a couple things in his past? George Washington would be voted against 100 percent by Schumer and the con artists. I mean, 100 percent, 100 percent. So it really doesn't matter from their stand point.
That's when John asked about the FBI, if the FBI did the most thorough investigation of the history of the FBI and they found him to be 100 percent perfect, he would lose every single vote.
Now, if the Republicans win tomorrow, I think you're going to get some votes from the Democrats. You know why? Because we all know why. Because it's called politics. Then you'll probably get some votes.
TRUMP: OK. Let's go. One more question. Yes. She stands up, I'd like to ask about three questions. It's not really fair to everyone else. Should I let her ask another question? QUESTION: To follow up on ...
TRUMP: Go ahead. See?
QUESTION: To follow up on a question that a colleague asked as well about the benefit of the doubt that you have given to people like Roy Moore, to Roger Ailes, to Bill O'Reilly, to Brett Kavanaugh. They're all men. Why is that?
TRUMP: It's not a benefit of the doubt. I ...
QUESTION: Has there ever been an instance when you've given the benefit of the doubt to a woman?
TRUMP: I've known them -- Hallie (ph), I've known them for a long time and a lot of these people. A lot of people. And some I've been disappointed with. I have been disappointed with some others like -- you know, there are charges that are pretty weak. But I've known people for a long time. I never saw them do anything wrong. I never saw them do anything wrong. And there's some that probably I agree. I can tell you there's some that I -- I've been watching for a long time. And in a couple of cases they weren't Republicans, and a lot of cases they were not. They were exactly the opposite. But I've been watching them for a long time and I knew for a long time these were not good people, and they were never brought up.
OK. Yes ma'am, go ahead.
Thank you very much, by the way. Thank you.
QUESTION: Thank you very much ...
TRUMP: Thank you.
QUESTION: ... Mr. President.
When the allegations first surfaced, you initially said how important it was for Dr. Ford to testify and that you wanted to hear from her.
TRUMP: I do.
QUESTION: But ...
TRUMP: I wish it could have gone quicker.
QUESTION: Well, you also said that if what she said was bad as she claims, surely her or her parents would have reported it. And just today you said you ...
(CROSSTALK) TRUMP: Well, there is a truth. I mean there is a chance that her parents could have reported 36 years ago.
QUESTION: So -- so my question is ...
TRUMP: It doesn't mean they had to report it, because in some instances people keep it quiet. It's a very tough situation for a woman, there's no question about it. And in some cases, they do report it.
Frankly, had they reported it, it would have been pretty amazing, wouldn't it? But I guess they didn't, and that's OK. I'm not saying they had to report it because it's a very personal thing; it's a very big problem. There's no question about it.
QUESTION: Do you want to hear her story before ...
TRUMP: I'd like to hear her story, yes. Well, we're giving her time.
QUESTION: ... have you already made up your mind.
RUMP: They would have given her time last week. This is the United State Senate. This is the most important position that a president can give out, I think we can say, by far. I've actually heard it's the most important decision a president can make. I disagree with that. War and peace. I always say, war and peace, and after that Supreme Court justice, right.
I look forward to hearing from her. We could have heard from her last week. We could have heard from her for a long time. It'll be interesting to hear what she has to say. OK.
QUESTION: Let me follow up on Jim's question. Mr. President, let me follow up on Jim's question that I don't think we got an answer to.
TRUMP: Which one? Which question? Who?
QUESTION: How have your personal experiences being accused by more than --
TRUMP: I've been accused. I've been accused.
QUESTION: -- a dozen women of sexual --
TRUMP: False accusations.
QUESTION: -- misconduct. Right.
TRUMP: Excuse me.
QUESTION: How have those --
TRUMP: I've been accused. And I was accused by -- I believe it was four women. You can check with Sean Hannity, you can check with Fox because they covered it very strongly.
QUESTION: And how have --
[17:20:00] TRUMP: Who got paid. Excuse me. Excuse me. I was accused by four or five women who got paid a lot of money to make up stories about me. We caught them and the mainstream media refused to put it on television. They refused to even write about it. There were four women, and maybe more. I think the number's four or five. But one had her mortgage paid off her house, $52,000. Another one had other things happen. And the one that reported it I believe was offered $750,000 to say bad things about me.
And she's the one that reported it. This woman is incredible. She reported instead of taking the money. So I've had numerous accusations about me.
TRUMP: I mean, they made false statements about me knowing they were false. I never met them. I never met these people. And what did they do? What did they do? They took money in order to say bad things. I've had stories written in the New York Times, front page, about four women -- the whole top center front page of the New York Times. I think it was four big pictures. I said wow, that's a big thing, what's that.
These were women that were quoted saying bad things about me. Not the worst things about me, but bad things. And I said gee, that's too bad. I knew them a long time ago. 15 years ago, 20 years ago. I said that's too bad, I'm surprised at them. And then all of a sudden, I see them on television, nothing to do with me. The next day or day later, they were incensed. They said Donald Trump is a nice guy, we never said this. The New York Times did false reporting.
They're fake news. And you know what? The New York Times would not report that their story was fake. These women said great things. Not only did they not say the bad stuff, they said great things about me. Front page. And those woman -- they're incredible women. They went on television -- and they didn't want to and I didn't ask them -- and they said the New York Times made it up. They gave false quotes.
And they went on a lot of shows. They were really incensed and they couldn't believe it. That's why -- people know that a lot of the news is fake and a lot of the people sitting here are fake. But 20 percent of them are wonderful, OK?
QUESTION: If I could just actually ask --
TRUMP: Go ahead, please.
QUESTION: -- my question, Mr. Trump. You didn't let me ask my question. TRUMP: You've been asking a question for 10 minutes.
QUESTION: No, you interrupted my question.
TRUMP: Please sit down. Please.
QUESTION: I'm asking how did those impact your opinions on the allegations --
TRUMP: Well it does impact my opinion and --
QUESTION: -- against Judge Kavanaugh.
TRUMP: -- you know why? Because I've had a lot of false charges made against me. I'm a very famous person, unfortunately. I've been a famous person for a long time. But I've had a lot of false charges made against me, really false charges. I know friends that have had false charges. People want fame, they want money, they want whatever. So when I see it, I view it differently than somebody sitting home watching television where they say oh, Judge Kavanaugh this or that.
It's happened to me many times. I've had many false charges. I had a woman sitting in an airplane and I attacked her while people were coming onto the plane and I have a number one best seller out. I mean, it was a total phony story. There are many of them. So when you say does it effect me in terms of my thinking with respect to Judge Kavanaugh, absolutely, because I've had it many times.
And if the news would have reported these four people -- I couldn't believe it. When I heard that they caught these four people, I said wow, that's a big story. And it was, for Fox. OK.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. Earlier today and just now, you made a significant allegation against the Chinese Government, you suggested that --
TRUMP: I did.
QUESTION: The Chinese had meddled in, or are meddling in --
TRUMP: That's right, that's what I hear.
QUESTION: The 2018 mid-term election --
TRUMP: That's what I hear.
QUESTION: What evidence do you have of that, sir? Is there analysis, (inaudible) --
TRUMP: We have evidence, we have evidence -- it'll come out. Yeah, I can't tell you now, but it came -- it didn't come out of nowhere, that I can tell you. Now they've actually admitted that they're going after farmers, I mean, I think most of you can cover that. I like that you're shaking your head yes, I'm going to ask you the next question because of that, OK? It's probably going to be the killer of all questions. But let me just explain, let me --
QUESTION: If you're not going to come forward with the evidence, sir.
TRUMP: China now, put on $250 billion, and they're paying 25 percent on that. They're paying billions and billions -- this has never happened to China, and I like China and I like President Xi a lot. I think he's a friend of mine, he may not be a friend of mine anymore, but I think he probably respects -- from what I hear, if you look at Mr. Pillsbury, the leading authority on China.
He was on a good show, I won't mention the name of the show, recently, and he was saying that China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain. He said Donald Trump, they don't know what to do -- never happened.
Well one thing they are trying to do is they're trying to convince people to go against Donald Trump, because a normal, regular political person that has no concept of what the hell he's doing -- would let China continue to take $500 billion a year out of our country and rebuild their country. I mean, they were building 29 massive bridges like the George Washington Bridge.
They're building things that we don't build anymore, but we're starting to build them again. And our economy now is hotter than it's ever been. I don't know if you saw the confidence levels this morning that just came in, fantastic. And in all fairness to the FED raising rates, they're raising rates because we've never done like we're doing now.
And one of the things that is nice about their rates, the people that were hurt the worst by these zero interest rates and -- when President Obama had an economy that was -- it was the worst comeback since the Great Depression and all that, you've all heard that. But remember, he was playing with zero interest money. He was playing with funny money, that's easy.
I'm playing with fairly expensive money -- so when he does that the people that benefit are people that actually, in their whole life they would save 10, 15, 20 percent of their salary -- those people got killed. Because they put their money in the bank they're going to live off the interest and there was no interest.
Now, those people are starting to get interest and those are the people, frankly, that deserve -- you know, they did a great job. The people that did it right, the people that did the best job got hurt the most. So in one sense I like it, but basically I'm low interest rate person, I hate to tell you.
Yes ma'am? Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: Mr. President --
TRUMP: Yes? QUESTION: You have another meeting tomorrow with Rod Rosenstein --
QUESTION: Are you planning to fire Rod Rosenstein?
TRUMP: I'm talking to him, we've had a good talk. He said he never said it, he said he doesn't believe it. He said he has a lot of respect for me, and he was very nice and we'll see. And he's a member of the Trump Administration, in that sense it's the Justice Department.
I would certainly prefer not doing that, there was no collusion, there was no obstruction. I mean, unless you call obstruction the fact that I fight back -- I do fight back, I really fight back. I mean, if you call that obstruction that's fine. But there's no obstruction, there's no collusion -- I'm going to meet with him tomorrow. I may call Rod tonight or tomorrow and ask for a little bit of a delay to the meeting, because I don't want to do anything that gets in the way of this very important Supreme Court pick. So I don't want it competing and hurting the decision, one way or the other, decision.
Again, I want to hear what she has to say, but I don't want to do so -- I may delay that. I'm going to see. I don't want to do anything that's going to conflict with that. But my preference would be to keep them and to let him finish up. You know, I call it a "witch hunt," and it is a witch hunt.
If you look at the FBI statements with Strzok and his lover, Lisa Page, if you look at all of the things that have gone on in the FBI, if you look at McCabe taking $700,000 from a Hillary Clinton PAC, essentially run by Terry McAuliffe who's our best friend in the world and he gives them hundreds of thousands of dollars -- and he's in charge of her campaign, and his wife is getting all of this money to run -- she lost -- to run.
I mean what's going on? If you look at the horrible statements like, "Way to go, Page, great story you put into a newspaper," essentially, now we'll go and investigate that group. It's terrible. We have caught people doing things that are terrible. I would much prefer keeping Rod Rosenstein, much prefer.
Many people say I have the right to, absolutely, fire him. He said he did not say it, he said he does not believe, and nobody in this room believes it. By the way, I deal with the people in this room. I was with Mike Pompeo before. We were dealing, at a very high level, with Japan.
And I was saying things that nobody in the room even understood, and I said them a long time ago. And I was right. He said, "That's not the 25th Amendment that I'm looking at." I think I can say that from Mike.
QUESTION: So you don't think anyone in your administration has ever discussed the -- using the 25th Amendment against you?
TRUMP: I don't think so -- well, yes, enemies, sure. You use anything you can.
QUESTION: ... in your administration or your Cabinet?
TRUMP: Hey, you use anything they can. They're not in love with me. They're not going to beat me in the election. They know that. They're not going to beat me. The people that I'm looking at are total lightweights. I -- I dream of running against those people. Maybe I'll come up with somebody ...
QUESTION: But with your administration ...
TRUMP: ... that's not -- they're not going to beat me. I'm against what they want to do. I'm in favor of law enforcement. I'm in favor of safety and security and low taxes. I want low taxes. I want borders.
e're getting another $1.6 billion in borders. I want borders. We've spent $3.2 billion, and we're getting another $1.6 billion. And then, eventually, we're getting the whole thing, and we'll complete the wall.
They don't want that -- they don't want that. They don't want the things that I have. Now I must say. I know many of the democrats. They'll say things and then wink at me. And again, it's the same old story. They'll say things, they don't mean it. It's politics.
The reason they don't want me is because they want to run the show. They want it. It's power, it's whatever you want to call it. But what they've done here is a disgrace, a total disgrace, and what they do -- I know it's sort of interesting.
In one case, they say, "He's a fascist. He's taking over the government. He's the most powerful president ever. He's a horrible human being. He wants to take over the entire government, and he's going to do it. We can't stop him."
That didn't work. The next week, he said, "He's incompetent." I said, "Well, wait a minute." In one case, I'm taking over the world, and the other case, he's incompetent. They tried that for a week, that didn't work.
Look, these are very dishonest people. These are con artists, and the press now said -- but the press doesn't write it.
Wow, that's a lot of hands. That's a lot -- Steve, go ahead. He is a very high-quality person, this man. But he'll probably...
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
TRUMP: ... hit me with a bad one.
QUESTION: Why -- why...
TRUMP: Go ahead.
QUESTION: ... You're...
TRUMP: Give to me.
QUESTION: ... You're getting -- you're getting...
TRUMP: Give it to me, Steve.
QUESTION: ... You're getting ...
QUESTION: ... You're getting letters from Chairman Kim. Why do you need a second summit so soon and what do...
TRUMP: Because he'd like it.
QUESTION: ... what would it be for?
TRUMP: So I've received two letters from Chairman Kim. At some point, I'll -- you know, give these letters. They're incredible letters. They're -- they're letters that are magnificent in the sense of his feeling for wanting to get this done. I really believe he wants to get it done. I may be wrong.
I heard somebody on a certain network last night, I won't mention which one, say why has President Trump given so much to North Korea? I said wait a minute. I asked Sarah Huckabee, please call this person. I gave him nothing other than I met. What did I give him?
I didn't do what Obama did; give him $1.8 billion in cash to get back four hostages. I got back our hostages, I never paid them anything. I haven't paid him $0.10. But he wants to make a deal and I'd like to make a deal. We actually have a very good relationship together, a lot different than the last time I was at the United Nations. That was a little bit rough. Don't forget, that time they said, oh, Trump is saying these horrible things. He's going to get us into a war.
You were going to have a war -- if I wasn't elected, you'd be in a war. And President Obama essentially said the same thing; he was ready to go to war. You would have had a war and you would have lost millions, not thousands, you would have lost millions of people. Seoul has millions of people, 40 miles and 30 miles from this very dangerous border.
If I wasn't elected, you would have had a war. President Obama thought you had to go to war. You know how close he was to pressing the trigger for war? Millions of people. With me, nobody's talking about that. Nobody's talking about that.
We have a very good relationship. He likes me. I like him. We get along. He wrote me two of the most beautiful letters. When I showed one of the letters, just one, to Prime Minister Abe, he said this is actually a groundbreaking letter. This is an incredible -- this is a historic letter. And it is a historic letter. It's a beautiful -- it's a beautiful piece of art.
And I think we're going to make a deal. Will we make a deal, Steve? I don't really know. But I think we're going to. In the meantime -- and, I've said a -- I don't want to bore you, no rockets, no missiles, no nuclear tests, you know, for over a year we -- you haven't seen.
Before I got here, everybody in this room thought you were going to war. And then what happened? It was funny. They said he was terrible. He was so rough with Chairman Kim, Kim Jong-Un. He was so rough, it's terrible. He's going to cause -- well, I had a great meeting with President Putin.
And on that one, they said he was too soft with President Putin. I had a great meeting with -- it lasted for two hours. We discussed everything, Ukraine, Syria, Israel and Israel's protection, we had a great meeting. They wanted me to end up in a boxing match.
And you know what? If I was killer tough with President Putin, they would have said he was too tough. You can't win with these people but you just keep going. In the meantime, we're doing well.
QUESTION: So how do you -- how long -- how long do you...
TRUMP: Wait. One second.
[17:35:00] QUESTION: ... how long do you think it should take North Korea to denuclearize?
TRUMP: I don't know. I don't want to get into...
QUESTION: We've seen estimates of one year, two year...
TRUMP: ... Steve, I don't want to get into the time game. You know why? I told Mike Pompeo -- I said, Mike, don't get into the time game. We stopped them. They're taking down plants. They're taking down a lot of different testing areas. They're going to take down some more, you'll be hearing about that very soon. I don't want to go ahead of myself but you'll be hearing about it soon.
They have no interest right now in testing nuclear. You know, we had a case -- just about -- when I was coming into office, you'll (ph) remember it, where there was a massive -- they thought it was an earthquake. A mountain moved over an inch and a half. We're talking about mountains. You know, North Korea's very mountainous. Beautiful land, beautiful.
This mountain actually shifted. It shifted. And somebody thought it was an earthquake, and then they found out no, this was nuclear testing. Shifted a mountain. I'm talking about serious stuff, serious size. When I came in and certainly before I came in -- and even at the beginning of mine, because when I was having rhetorical -- you know, contests, really, I guess you could call it, with Chairman Kim, which we both smile at now and we laugh at, but everybody thought that was a horrible thing.
We've had many presidents were unable to do anything. Anything at all with North Korea. We now have a good relationship. We have a good relationship. And most importantly, all of the things that you've been hearing about, the horror stories, in my opinion, they're gone. Now, could they start up again? Yes. I'm a deal guy. Could they start? Yes. Could be that we don't work it out. I think -- I have it right here. I think that what we've done behind the scenes -- which nobody really knows about and I don't blame you for not knowing about.
You know, personal letters, private letters. But saying they want to get it done. We know much more than the media for a change. Much more. But if you saw what's going on behind the scenes, I think you'd be very impressed. We were a country going to war. I really believe that President Obama would admit that he said it's by far his biggest problem. When I sat with him prior to going to office -- going into office, he said to me that's by far the biggest problem.
And he said to me that he was very close to going into war. And millions of people -- not -- you know, I -- I -- they say oh, thousands of people -- no, no, not thousands. Millions of people would have been killed. And that could have left -- you're right next to China, you're right -- that could have been a world war very easily. Right now we're in a great position. I don't want to play the time game. I told Mike Pompeo, don't let them do that to you. I haven't given anything.
And all of a sudden we got back -- it was a few weeks ago. I think we were back, like two and a half months from the summit, which was a great success. And people are screaming what's taking so long. I said oh, I get it. You got to understand the media. I've been dealing with the media all my life. Too much. Too much. They're screaming and I saw that. And our guys were -- and not Mike, but our guys were being -- oh, well, we're working as fast.
I said I got all the time in the world. I don't have to rush it. There's no, you know, cessation (ph) of sanctions. We got the sanctions on. I didn't take any sanctions off. I did see a reporter last night, a guy I like personally a lot. And he asked a question to President Moon of South Korea. He said why did the president give so much. I didn't give anything. I gave nothing.
What have I given other than some time. Yes, I flew to Singapore. We had a meeting. Now, giving would be if I took the sanctions off. I didn't want to do -- if you ask General Mattis for a year and a half, I said why don't we stop these ridiculous, in my opinion, the military games. I call them the military games. If I told you how much those games cost -- and frankly I told South Korea you should be paying for these games. We pay for them. They say, well, we fly the planes in from a short distance away.
I said where is that. Guam. Oh. Huh. How long a trip is that? Seven hours. Oh, great. We're flying these massive bombers and (inaudible). I've wanted to stop this for a long time. I consider that an asset. But we've done -- we're saving, by the way, just for the taxpayer (ph), we're saving a fortune. And if we need them we can start them up immediately.
If I think we need them, I'll start them before the generals will start them. The fact is this reporter said that. I said, what have we done? I haven't given anything. And we're really onto the cusp -- I think we're really going to do something that's going to be very important.
But we're not playing the time game. If it takes two years, three years, or five months, it doesn't matter. There's no nuclear testing and there's no testing of rockets.
Yes ma'am, go ahead. Go ahead please. This is the one that was nodding with every nice thing I said. So watch this question.
QUESTION: It's a habit of mine. (Inaudible).
TRUMP: You're with who?
QUESTION: Hannah Thomas Peter (ph) from Sky News.
TRUMP: OK. Good. Sky News. Congratulations on the purchase.
QUESTION: Nothing to do with me.
TRUMP: I hope you benefited.
QUESTION: Are you at all concerned at the message that has been sending -- being sent to the women who are watching this when you use language like "con job" in relation to allegations to sexual assault?
TRUMP: I've used much worse language in my life than "con job." That's like probably the nicest phrase I've ever used. I mean con job -- it is. It's a con job. You know confidence. It's a confidence job, but they -- it's a con job by the Democrats. They know it.
QUESTION: What about the message that's being sent to women who are watching?
TRUMP: They did the same thing with the Russia investigation. They tried to convince people that I had something to do with Russia. There was no collusion. Think of it. I'm in Wisconsin. I'm in Michigan. I say, gee, we're not doing well. I won both those states. We're not doing well. Ah, let me call the Russians to help. Does anybody really believe that? It's a con job.
And I watch these guys, little Adam Schiff and all of the guys, he takes a call from a Russian who turned out to be a faker, you know, he was a comedian or something. This is so and so calling for -- he took the call. Why is he taking a call from a Russian? Senator Warner took a call from a Russian. He was a comedian or something, but he said, "We have pictures of President Trump.? "Whoa, where can I get them?" If we ever did that it would be like a big deal. Yes, it's a con job. And it's not a bad term. It's not a bad term at all.
TRUMP: I'll tell you one thing I can say. I've had a lot of people talking about this to me with respect to what's happening, because it's a horrible precedent. I'm going to have to get other judges and other Supreme Court judges possibly. I could have a lot of Supreme Court judges, more than two.
And when I called up Brett Kavanaugh, spoke to him and his family and told them that I chose them, they were so happy and so honored it was as though -- I mean the biggest thing that's ever happened. And I understand that. U.S. Supreme Court.
I don't want to be in a position where people say, no thanks, no thanks, I don't want it; you know, I spoke to somebody 38 years ago, and it may not be good.
We have a country to run. We want the best talent in the world. But I'll tell you this, the people that have complained to me about it the most about what's happening are women. Women are very angry.
You know I got 52 percent with women. Everyone said this couldn't happen -- 52 percent. Women are so angry, and I, frankly, think that -- I think they like what the Republicans are doing, but I think they would have like to have seen it go a lot faster.
TRUMP: But give them their day in court. Let her have her day in court. Let somebody else have a day in court. But the ones that I find -- I mean, I have men that don't like it, but I have women that are incensed at what's going on. I've always said women are smarter than men. I've said that a lot, and I mean it. But women -- women are incensed at what's going on.
Yes, go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead in the back. Who are you, or where you're from? Yeah, you. Guy looks like he's shocked. This is going to be, not good. Guy looks totally like, stunned that I've -- have you ever been picked before for a question?
QUESTION: Yes sir, but not from President of United States.
TRUMP: Go ahead, go ahead and give me a question.
QUESTION: Thank you very much, my name's Magid Galee (ph) from (inaudible) Network (ph). I want to, sir, ask you -- you always talk about --
TRUMP: Excuse me, you said where -- from where?
QUESTION: Hudami Direct Network from Kudasa Region, Northern Iraq (ph) --
QUESTION: I'm a Kurd.
TRUMP: Good. Good, great people.
QUESTION: Sir -- thank you, sir.
TRUMP: Great people.
QUESTION: Mr. President --
UNIDENTIFIED: You are.
TRUMP: Thank you. Are you a Kurd?
QUESTION: Mr. President --
QUESTION: Mr. President --
TRUMP: They're great people, they're great fighters. I like them a lot, let's go I like this question so far.
QUESTION: Mr. President, Mr. President -- you always say you support your allies, Kurds right now after the defeat of ISIS are under a lot of pressure in Syria and in Iraq by many adversaries --
TRUMP: It's true.
QUESTION: What will do to alleviate their position to support them, after they helped the United States to defeat ISIS?
TRUMP: Well we are helping them a lot, and we've been very friendly with them. And as you know we've fought side-by-side and we have defeated ISIS, essentially very short while ago in the Middle East and we did it with a lot of help from the Kurds. And they are, they're great fighters. You know, some people are great fighters and some people aren't -- the Kurds are great fighters. And they're great, great people. And we're going to be -- we're discussing that situation exactly right now.
QUESTION: What will you do to support them, sir?
TRUMP: Well I'm just telling you, we're going to be discussing that situation. We have already started discussing that situation. But we have had tremendous support from the Kurds in supporting ISIS, OK?
QUESTION: What about Syria, sir -- in your speech you did not mention --
TRUMP: Yes, go. You don't need it.
QUESTION: Mr. President, Susan Lee from FOX Business. Did you reject a one-on-one meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau?
TRUMP: Yes, I did.
TRUMP: Because his tariffs are too high, he doesn't seem to want to move and I've told him forget about it. And frankly we're thinking about just taxing cars coming in from Canada, that's the mother load, that's the big one. We're very unhappy with the negotiations and the negotiating style of Canada.
We don't like their representative very much, they're taken -- I love Canada by the way, I have so many friends -- I have everybody, so many friends. But that has nothing to do with this -- I'm representing the United States. Mexico was totally -- I mean, they were great. By the way, the new president has been great.
The deal is done, now it has to go through Congress, and you know, a lot of things have to happen. But we've done -- Bob Lighthizer, whose here someplace -- where's Bob? Bob Lighthizer's done a great job of negotiating, as they have, but the deal is done except for Congress --
QUESTION: Mr. President --
TRUMP: But Canada has treated us very badly, they've treated our farmers in Wisconsin and New York state, and a lot of other states -- very badly. Dairy products, 300 percent -- 300 percent. How do you sell a dairy product at 300 percent?
The answer is, you don't. What it is is a barrier. It's basically they're saying, we don't have any barriers -- by the way it's 300 percent so you don't send any because you can't compete. So Canada has a long way to go, I must be honest with you, we're not getting along at all with their negotiators -- we think they're negotiators have taken advantage of our country for a long time.
We had people that didn't know what they were doing, and that's why we had over the last five or six years -- if you average it out, we had $800 billion a year in trade losses, it's ridiculous it's not going to happen.
QUESTION: What after NAFTA? Sir, Mr. President, NAFTA --
TRUMP: Go ahead.
QUESTION: What does that mean for NAFTA, will you be pulling out of NAFTA?
TRUMP: I don't like NAFTA, I never liked it. It's been very bad for the United States, it's been great for Canada, it's been great for Mexico -- very bad for us. QUESTION: Will you pull out of the --
TRUMP: I'm not going to use the name NAFTA. I refuse to use it. I've seen thousands of plants and factories close. I've seen millions of jobs lost to auto companies that moved. Remember, Mexico has 25 percent of our auto business now because of NAFTA. Under our deal, not going to happen anymore. Hate to tell you it's not. We're going to keep companies and I -- we -- I told the Mexicans, I said we have to keep companies.
But they're getting a lot also. They're getting other things. They're getting a lot of good things. Mexico made a very good deal. But with Canada, it's very tough. What we're doing is if we made a deal with Canada -- which is a, you know, good chance still, but I'm not making anything near what they want to do. Wouldn't be fair.
QUESTION: But you're going to -- are you going to notify Congress of pulling out of NAFTA?
TRUMP: What we're probably going to do is go with the USMC, like the United States Marine Corps, which I love. General Kelly likes it even more. Where's General Kelly? He likes that USMC, which would be U.S. Mexico Canada. But it'll probably or possibly be just USM. It'll be United States and Mexico.
QUESTION: Yes or no, are you going to --
TRUMP: Canada will come along. Now, if Canada doesn't make a deal with us, we're going to make a much better deal. We're going to tax the cars that come in. We will put billions and billions of dollars into our treasury and frankly, we'll be very happy. Because it's actually more money than you can make under any circumstance with making a deal. OK? Good job, too. You do a -- you do a very good job. Really.
Yes, please. Mr. Kurd (ph). Go ahead.
QUESTION: Thank you very much for your time, Mr. President. Two quickly questions. What will be the USA relations with the Kurds --
TRUMP: Oh, I thought --
QUESTION: -- post ISIS -- post ISIS? And --
TRUMP: OK. We're trying to get along very well -- we do get along great with the Kurds. We're trying to help them a lot. Don't forget, that's their territory. We have to help them. I want to help them. Go ahead, what's next. They fought with us. They fought with us. They died with us. They died. We lost -- tens of thousands of Kurds died fighting ISIS. They died for us and with us and for themselves. They died for themselves. But they're great people. And we have not forget -- we don't forget -- I don't forget what happens someday later, but I can tell you that I don't forget. These are great people. OK. Yes, ma'am. Please. QUESTION: About -- Mr. President, about Iran, one question. What is
your clear plan to stop Iranian influence in Iraq, in Syria and especially in --
TRUMP: Well, I think you've seen that. I must tell you, it's a -- I don't mind your question --
QUESTION: -- thank you.
TRUMP: I think there's been no greater change -- other than maybe China, because China, unfortunately their markets have dropped -- would you say 30 percent in the last four months, right? I think I watched you recently when you said that. I said I think she's wrong, I think it's actually 32. But that's OK. But a lot. There's been no -- other than maybe that, but even that, because China is a very special place. And Iran is a very special place.
But I think there's been no country that's changed so much as Iran. In the last six months, since I took off the horrible, horrible Iran nuclear deal, as they called, one of the dumbest deals ever made -- as an example, why didn't they take care of Yemen in the deal? Why didn't they take care of Syria in the deal? You know what Kerry said the reason? It was too complicated. We're giving $150 billion, we paid $1.8 billion in cash. Cash. This whole room would be filled up with hundred dollar bills.
And you'd need probably five rooms like this. We gave $1.8 billion in cash. Why didn't we take care of Yemen? Why didn't we take care of Syria and other -- and he said because it was too complicated. Well, you just gave all your cards. You gave them $150 billion. And now Yemen's a mess, but it's getting better. And Syria's a mess, and I was responsible, and I hope it stays that way.
When I put out on social media, a few weeks ago, about Idlib Province, I said, "Don't do it." And I'll tell you. It happened where I was at a meeting with a lot of supporters, and a woman stood up and she said, "There's a province in Syria with 3 million people. Right now, the Iranians, the Russians and the Syrians are surrounding their province, and they're going to kill my sister and they're going to kill millions of people in order to get rid of 25,000 - or 35,000 terrorists, or enemies of theirs, but I think we can call them terrorists."
And I said, "That's not going to happen. I didn't hear of Idlib Province." And I came back to New York, and I picked up the failing New York Times. I hate to admit it was the New York - but it was the failing New York Times. And opened it up, not on the front page, but there was a very big story. I said, "Wow, that's the same story that the woman told me that I found hard to believe, because why would - how would anyone do that with 3 million people?" And it said that they were being surrounded, and they were going in
and starting, literally, the next day, they were going to drop bombs all over the place and perhaps kill millions of people, in order to get 35,000 terrorists.
And I put out on social media and elsewhere, I gave Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, everybody these orders, "Don't let it happen." I said, "Don't let it happen." That doesn't mean they can't be selective, they can't be - you know, go in, and they've got to do what they've got to do, with terrorists - I assume the terrorist - but don't kill millions of people.
And it stopped. You saw that. No one's going to give me credit, but that's OK - that's OK, because the people know. I have had more Syrians thank me for that - this was about four weeks ago, I put that out. I said, "They're surrounding a city of 3 million people, they're going to start bombing the city. Don't let it happen."
And I meant it, too. I meant it. And millions of people have been saved, and I - I gave, today, great credit to Iran. I don't know if you heard that. I gave great credit to Iran, to Russia and to Syria for not doing it. Now I hope it's going to be surgical, meaning, go in and do - it's lengthy and everything else. And they possibly have to do it. But I think millions of people would've been killed, and that would've been a shame.
And hopefully - and I have to tell you. Turkey has been big help. Turkey has been great. Turkey's helped us very much with that whole situation.
QUESTION: Mr. President?
TRUMP: Yes, yes.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
TRUMP: Good, thank you very much.
QUESTION: Touching back on Iran. Of course, this week, you've put out a call-to-action to other countries to rally with America, to put pressure on Iran. Rouhani's still calling for the U.S. to come back into the old deal. But after meeting with world leaders this week, did you make any progress towards a potential new deal?
TRUMP: It doesn't matter what world leaders think on Iran. Iran's going to come back to me, and they're going to make a good deal, I think, maybe not - deals, you never know. But they're suffering greatly. They're having riots in every city, far greater than they were during the green period with President Obama, far greater.
When President Obama stuck up for government, not the people, he probably would've had a much different Iran, had he not done that. But I'm sticking up for the people. I am with the people of Iran. But here's the thing -- they have rampant inflation. Their money is worthless. Everything is going wrong. They have riots in the street. You can't buy bread. You can't do anything. It's a disaster.
At some point, I think they're going to want to come back and they're going to say, hey, can we do something? And I -- very simple, I -- I just don't want them to have nuclear weapons. That's all. Is that too much to ask? I don't want them to have nuclear weapons. I want them to have a great economy.
I want them to sell so much oil so that the oil prices -- I'm not happy with OPEC. I told them, I'm not happy with OPEC. We take care of all these people, we defend them. They wouldn't be there for two weeks if it wasn't for me, and the United States and our much stronger armed forces than it was -- because our armed forces was depleted. We had old equipment.
Now, we have -- hey, you know better than anybody, $700 billion and $716 billion, we have the most incredible new jets and everything. We need it. Not that I want to spend it; although, it is jobs. It's all made in the United States.
But Iran has to come back and they have to talk. And I'm not doing this from strength or weakness. I'm just saying at some point they're going to have to have to come back. If you look at what's going on, companies are leaving left and right. Mercedes Benz just left. They're all leaving. They don't want to be in Iran. Because they have a choice, do they want to be with Iran or do they want to be with us, and we have -- we picked up $10 trillion since my election.
We were being caught by China, now it's going the other way. People can't believe it. People have never seen this situation with China. Everything's always been -- for 20 years, oh, China's so great. China's so great. You don't hear that so much anymore.
I love China. I think they're great. But you don't hear that so much anymore. You know who's great now? We're great now.
OK, how about just a couple more. Now, I could be doing -- I could be doing this all day long. I could be doing this all day long. Should we continue for a little while? It doesn't matter to me. A couple more, I don't care. New York Times, come on. New York Times, the failing New York Times, stand up. Go ahead.
TRUMP: No, I'm talking about the Times is failing. You are far from failing. Go ahead.
QUESTION: OK, but you're not -- you were pointing to me, so you meant me. But I...
TRUMP: The Times are very interesting though. The Times, I think they're going to endorse me.
QUESTION: ... Yes...
TRUMP: I think that ABC, I -- well, Fox -- I like Fox, I really do. QUESTION: ... Just to be sure...
TRUMP: But I think ABC, CBS, NBC, the Times, the -- they're all going to endorse me because, if they don't, they're going out of business. Can you imagine if you didn't have me?
Go ahead. What would you like to say?
QUESTION: ... Just to be sure, I know you were pointing to me but I work for PBS NewsHour right now...
TRUMP: I know that. No, I know that.
QUESTION: ... OK. So I want to ask you, yesterday you were talking about your administration's accomplishments at the United Nations and a lot of the leaders laughed. Why do you think they were laughing?
TRUMP: Well, that's fake news.
QUESTION: And what was that experience like?
TRUMP: Yes, it's fake news and it was covered that way.
OK. So I said that since my election our economy has become the hottest in the world, tax reductions, regulations, confidence levels are the highest in 18 years -- really soon to be historic, unemployment is the lowest in the history of our country. You look at black unemployment, you look at Asian unemployment, you look at women -- 65 years the unemployment numbers are the best we've ever had ever. The numbers pouring into our country, which nobody thought was possible, and I said this.
And I was in front of a large group of highly professional people, most of whom are from either other countries or the United Nations, people that aren't big into clapping, applauding, smiling. And I heard a little rustle, as I said our country is now stronger than ever before -- it's true. I mean, it is true. And I heard a little rustle and I said it's true.
And I heard smiles -- and I said, oh, I didn't know that's be like a -- they weren't laughing at me. They were laughing with me. We had fun. That was not laughing at me.
So the fake news said people laughed at President Trump. They didn't laugh at me. People had a good time with me. We were doing it together. We had a good time. They respect what I've done. The United States is respected again.
The United States was not respected. Everybody was taking advantage of us, from jobs and taking our companies and not paying the price, to so many other things. Even military protection.