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Aired October 7, 2018 - 06:00   ET




MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The ayes are 50, the nays are 48.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I stand before you today on the heels of a tremendous victory for our nation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Brett Kavanaugh has been sworn in. Brett Kavanaugh is now a justice on the Supreme Court.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are the very doors of Supreme Court. There are hundreds of protesters who have now come up on to the stairs.

TRUMP: You don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left wing mob.

SEN. CORY BOOKER (D), NEW JERSEY: I will never let him pull me so low as to hate him.


KATE MCKINNON AS LINDSEY GRAHAM: How amazing is this, huh? We made a lot of women real worried today.

CECILY STRONG AS SUSAN COLLINS: Now we are going to party like it's 2020 when Susan Rice takes my seat.


ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you. So glad to have you with us here. From Judge Brett Kavanaugh to Justice Brett Kavanaugh that is who he is this morning.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes. The newest member of the Supreme Court has now been sworn in shifting the balance of the power on the high court toward conservatives. Protesters they were shouting on the Supreme Court steps. Republicans though are taking a victory lap led by President Trump at a rally in Kansas last night.


TRUMP: I stand before you today on the heels of a tremendous victory for our nation, our people, and our beloved constitution.


Just a few hours ago, the U.S. Senate confirmed Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the United States Supreme Court.


PAUL: Now both parties are taking this fight straight to the midterms here which are less than a month away at this point. Here is CNN congressional correspondent Phil Mattingly.


PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed. Brett Kavanaugh has been sworn in. Brett Kavanaugh is now a justice in the Supreme Court. It's what is lying in the wake of this confirmation battle one of the most bitter I've ever seen maybe in a nomination ever and what happens next -- what happens next in the Senate, what happens next in the Supreme Court, what happens next politically?

You get a gauge of that in just about a month with the midterm elections. And the big question is what kind of impact if any will this have?

There's no question that it is rallied both sides, the bases of both sides. Will it help one side or the other? Well, it's something that Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell weighed in on.

Take a listen.


SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: Our base is fired up. We finally discovered the one thing that would fire up the Republican base and we didn't think of it.

I was talking to two of my political advisers yesterday about the advantage that these guys by their tactics have given to us going into these red state competitive races. And we are pretty excited.

They managed to deliver the only thing we had not been able to figure out how to do which was to get our folks fired up. The other side is obviously fired up. They have been all year.


MATTINGLY: Now if you listened closely to that last point McConnell points out something that has been very clear now for more than a year. The Democratic base is very riled up. The Democratic base is very motivated. Will the Democratic base come out in the midterms election where they traditionally struggle and not just help them perhaps put flip the House to the Democratic side but also perhaps give them a chance in the Senate? That is what is the open question right now.

There is also a broader question here of, what happens next beyond just the politics? What happens next for the institutions, the United States Senate, the United States Supreme Court and, frankly, the country? I don't know anybody that came out of this feeling good about the process that just occurred.

You can talk to senators in both parties who acknowledge they were angry, who acknowledge they were disappointed, who acknowledged that they aren't very happy with one another right now. It's a question I asked McConnell. He said the country has been through worse times and the country will certainly move forward through this.

The Senate will as well. But it is a question that people are asking right now, is this a rock bottom moment, is this a moment where people take a step back and figure that cooling down might be the better option? Right now it seems unlikely.

One senior GOP aide I talked to towards the end of the day yesterday said bluntly, it's only going to get worse from here. Not a lot of optimism but I think the baseline here is nobody really has an answer of what is next. Everybody can agree that what just happened probably wasn't the best thing.

Phil Mattingly, CNN, Capitol Hill.


PAUL: Now President Trump says there's going to be an event tomorrow at the White House for the now Justice Kavanaugh.

BLACKWELL: Yes. The president is also praising the way he handle the nomination saying his criticism of Kavanaugh's accuser Christine Blasey Ford had great impact. For more we turn to senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns live at the White House.

The president said that that was actually a turning point in getting the nomination to get to fruition -- Joe.


JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, a turning point the president has said. But also, as you just mentioned, here at the White House is all about the midterms. And interestingly enough, it is the perspective of the White House and the president that this Kavanaugh nomination, which initially looked like a great burden for the Republican Party, may have actually turned out to be quite a gift. It's about gender wars, it's about culture wars, it's about character assassination, they say, of Justice Kavanaugh.

And then there is this, this notion of fears of mob rule, which is something the president emphasized last night when he was in Kansas. Concerns about law and order almost.

Now we did see here in Washington, D.C. hundreds and hundreds of arrests, many of those liberal and progressive women being locked up on the streets of Washington, D.C., protesting what they said was allegations of sexual assault involving this nominee now justice to the Supreme Court. The president answers that by saying, on the right, there were many women, conservative women who were also fired up in support of Kavanaugh. Listen.


TRUMP: I feel we are, in many ways, stronger than the men in his favor. So you have a lot of women that are extremely happy. A tremendous number of women.

Because they are thinking of their sons, they are thinking of their husbands and their brothers and their uncles and others.


JOHNS: So besides the event here in the White House, tomorrow we are expecting the president to continue his upbeat travels around the country and then in anticipation of the midterms he is going to Orlando to address the international association of police chiefs.

Victor and Christi, back to you.

PAUL: All right. Joe Johns from the White House there. Joe, thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: Now the protests against Kavanaugh's nomination led up to Supreme Court steps. They continued protesting after then Justice Kavanaugh was officially confirmed as the newest member of the court. He was sworn in.

The protests were banging on the doors of Supreme Court. The building there you see them. They issue pushed back by Supreme Court police. GOP leaders responded to the protesters by calling them a mob.


TRUMP: In their quest for power, the radical Democrats have turned into an angry mob.

MCCONNELL: We refuse to be intimidated by the mob of people that were coming after Republican members at their homes, in the halls.

SEN. CHUCK GRASSLEY (R-IA), CHAIRMAN, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: What we have learned is the resistance that has existed since the day after the November 16th 2016 election is centered right here on Capitol Hill. They have are encouraged mob rule.

TRUMP: You don't hand matches to an arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left wing mob and that is what they have become.

MCCONNELL: The tactics that have employed both by Judiciary Committee, Democratic senators and by the, you know, the virtual mob that has assaulted all of us in the course of this process, has turned our base on fire.


BLACKWELL: Joining me is political reporter Daniel Lippman and April Ryan, CNN political analyst, White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Networks and author of the new book "Under Fire."

Welcome back to both of you.

Daniel, let me start with you. What we heard here, you know, not believing in coincidences, all of these men talking about the mob, the mob on the left, the Democratic mob. Is this essentially what -- we are 31 days out now from the midterm elections, what should be expected? ? Or is this something different? Is this now the line from Republicans about the Democrats and their chances in November?

DANIEL LIPPMAN, REPORTER & CO-AUTHOR OF PLAYBOOK, POLITICO: I think Republicans are trying to use those images you saw on Capitol Hill of protesters and of women who have talked about their own sexual assault experiences to Republican members.

Remember the one in that elevator with Senator Flake? They are trying to use it on the head and say, well, these people are just part of a mob, they are uncontrollable masses. We shouldn't listen to them.

And, you know, Democrats are going to respond and say, you know, these are real people who felt like Kavanaugh was not the right man for the Supreme Court and they echo what Lisa Murkowski said. Maybe he is a good man and a smart man, but not the man for the moment.

And you saw that reflect in the polls where the majority of Americans, they were very skeptical of the nomination after these weeks of attacks on the guy's character.

BLACKWELL: April, let's remind people, as the president said last night that, "You don't hand matches to an arsonist, you don't give power to an angry left wing mob," they become too extreme, too dangerous to govern Republicans and believe in the rule of law and not the rule of mob.


Let's just remind people of President Trump's campaign and what we saw in 2015 and 2016. We have got just a few examples here and then I want to come to you out of it -- out of the richness of President Trump now referring to a mob. Let's watch.


TRUMP: I was nice. Oh, take your time. The second group, I was pretty nice. The third group, I'll be a little more violent and the fourth group, I'll say get the hell out of here!

(on the phone): Rough up? He should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.

(on camera): If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously.

OK? Just knock the hell. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise.

Do you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They would be carried out on stretcher, folks. Guards are very gentle with him. He is walking out like with big high fives, smiling, laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you.

In good old days, they would rip him out of that seat so fast. Yes, get him out. Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court. Don't worry about it.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Do you believe you've done anything to create a tone where this kind of violence would be encouraged?

TRUMP: I hope not. I truly hope not.

We have to be politically correct. Oh, please don't hurt him. They are allowed to get up and interrupt us horribly and we have to be very, very gentle, very gentle. They can swing, they can hit people, but if we hit them back, it's a terrible, terrible thing. Right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you regret saying any of those things, especially the things that you have said about punching protesters, sending them out on stretchers?

TRUMP (on the phone): You know, I don't regret it at all. Some of these protesters were violent. Yes, I'm not happy about that and I would always express my feelings about that.


BLACKWELL: So this president who we all saw in the last 90 seconds there, is now calling these protesters a mob. The context here is important.

APRIL RYAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, Victor, you got to remember, the president is not the only one saying it. These are Republicans talking points, this mob issue or this mob, the word mob is a talking point in this moment.

But what this president and those who are supporting him in the midst of their victory are Kavanaugh is the fact that no matter the win or a loss, this is still the United States of America. And this nation was built on protesters.

We, the people, who are still forming a more perfect union. And these protests are a part of growing pains, you know? There is one group that says we don't want it. There's another group who says, yes.

The last I checked, we are allowed as Americans to be able to -- and have the freedom to do that. And to change the dynamic to call them mob, that does put an ugly context on who these people are. And, you know, this president likes to talk about Dr. King. He celebrated Dr. King in January.

And what we know about Dr. King is that he wanted to make the comfortable uncomfortable with demonstrations and if it weren't for demonstrations like the civil rights movement or the women's movements and all these other great movements of the nation we would not have progressed thus far.

So when the president doesn't like it, unfortunately, it's a mob. But when it goes his way, he embraces it.

But we are a nation that is divided. We are a nation of different trains of thought. You have a group of people who believe that judge -- well, Justice Kavanaugh now --


RYAN: -- was unfairly treated in this process and you have another group of people who feel that women have not been heard and that Christine Ford did get her voice heard and the fact --


RYAN: -- that there was a limited scope of an FBI investigation. You have you a divided nation. And instead of dividing it by calling it mob, where is the healing? There is a lot of people out here who need healing.

BLACKWELL: Certainly. And, you know, Daniel, the Republicans have a lot to celebrate and they did that last night. The president talked about the new deal with Canada and Mexico, and the unemployment rate, and Justice Kavanaugh now.

Senator Rubio tweeted this. "I'm as pleased as anyone that we successfully confirmed a conservative to the court and I too want to keep the GOP majority. But in the long run we all lose if tribalism permanently disfigures America and leaves us a nation of people who hate each other."

Is he or anyone doing more than tweeting about this?


I mean, from either side. If there are people who believe that members of the Democratic Party are going too far that are Democrats or Republicans, doing anything to try to roll this back in?

LIPPMAN: I think there is a clip I saw of Senator Cory Booker yesterday in Iowa saying that it was below him to hate Trump. And so he didn't want to stoop down to that level. And so, you know, Rubio's tweet, you know, you want someone to not just speak out on Twitter, but also make alliances with Democrats, you know, try to push the ball forward with a bipartisan agenda and I think as long as you have President Trump up there trying to sew division and what he has done since he announced for president, that is going to be very tough and you're going to see the country almost split in two.

And so it's also, you know, interesting how they, you know, the Supreme Court has become this very partisan institution and also you have two, you know, one-third of the, you know, male Republican members have been accused of sexual harassment and assault.


LIPPMAN: And so that is kind of noteworthy. You don't usually see that.

BLACKWELL: April, take us into White House. The president said that he believes women are happy with the confirmation, women across the country are happy with the confirmation of now Justice Kavanaugh. Is that just putting a good face on what the others in the White House fear will be a backlash or do they really believe this is would be great -- this is great for bringing women into the Republican fold?

RYAN: This president always is a winner no matter what. But he did win. This was a win for him.

And for women it all depends on what side of the aisle you're in. And I think back to Gloria Steinem and how we had a conversation in my book about women. This president received 53 percent of women -- white women who voted for him, 51 percent of white married women voted for him. And she believes it's from the president's -- not the president's, but the husband, their husband's ideology and their economy that they voted for -- what their husbands voted for.

So let's see how this plays out in November. But what I will tell you, Victor, is I talked to Steve Bannon this week. Believe it or not. And he said this is beyond the Supreme Court.

This is beyond Kavanaugh. He said this is about solidifying the presidency. He said, because if we win the Supreme Court nomination it will solidify the Senate to make sure that they have the Senate and they are hopeful that they'll -- they'll -- they'll keep the House. We will see.

This has bigger ramifications and implications on the presidency versus justice Supreme Court.

BLACKWELL: Yes. We are just 31 days out now from the midterm elections and we will see if this passion, from both sides, from either side continues into the next month. April Ryan and Daniel Lippman, thank you both.

RYAN: Thank you.

LIPPMAN: Thank you.

PAUL: Now the pivotal senator in the Kavanaugh confirmation process Senator Susan Collins sat down in a one-on-one interview with CNN's Dana Bash. And Senator Collins says she does not believe that Judge Kavanaugh is the one who assaulted Dr. Christine Blasey Ford.


SEN. SUSAN COLLINS (R), MAINE: I found Dr. Ford's testimony to be heart-wrenching, painful, compelling, and I believe that she believes what she testified to.

I do not believe that Brett Kavanaugh was her assailant. So I do believe that she was assaulted. I don't know by whom. And I'm not certain when.


PAUL: See the full interview with Dana and Senator Collins on "STATE OF THE UNION" this morning at 9:00 only on CNN.

BLACKWELL: A Chicago community is searching for some answers this morning after two men were shot and killed. Seemingly at random. Why police believe this man here in the surveillance video is responsible.

PAUL: And Turkish officials are trying to determine if a Saudi journalist who mysterious disappeared has actually been killed.



PAUL: Well, right now secretary of state Mike Pompeo is in South Korea after he finished his fourth trip to Pyongyang where he met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

BLACKWELL: Pompeo is on a four-country Asia trip which started in Japan, will end in China. CNN's Alexandra Field is live from Seoul. Alexandra, what do we know about what Secretary Pompeo will discuss in this meeting with Kim Jong-un? What are they trying to accomplish at this chapter?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, one official who is travelling with the secretary of state said that the visit is better than the last time but there is still a long haul here. Probably pretty apt words to discuss this.

This was, of course, the secretary of state's fourth visit to Pyongyang. There were pleasantries that were exchanged between the secretary of state and the North Korean dictator in front of the cameras. There was even a lunch that was attended by Kim Jong-un as well as his sister and North Korea's former top spy chief.

Of course, the real work happened behind closed doors in a two-hour long meeting. We know that the two men were set to discuss the logistics of another summit between Kim Jong-un and President Trump. They were also set to discuss what steps could be taken to work to bring to fulfillment the agreement that was struck in Singapore, to work toward denuclearization.

In the four months since that Singapore summit we haven't seen North Korea taking any concrete steps toward denuclearization. Certainly the secretary of state is hoping to advance the talks in North Korea as he was just there over the course of the last day. This visit seems to have been more successful than the last on that happened in July. After that North Korean officials blasted him for his for his -- quote -- unquote -- "gangster-like" behavior. He was supposed to return to North Korea in August but the president scrapped that trip at the last minute saying, there hadn't been enough progress on talks about denuclearization.


Since then, of course, the president has been speaking about the North Korean dictator in much more glowing terms talking recently about the very beautiful letter that he received from Kim Jong-un and also talking about how he and the North Korean dictator fell in love.

Certainly he is relying on the personal relationship he is trying to cultivate with Kim Jong-un to keep tensions low on the Korean Peninsula. The question is whether or not that relationship will bring about the actual stated goal here, denuclearization -- Christi, Victor.

PAUL: No doubt. All right. Alexandra, thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: Haiti's president is asking for people to stay calm this is after a 5.9 magnitude earthquake hit overnight. We'll have more on that ahead.


PAUL: Thirty minutes past the hour. So good to have you here.

We want to tell you about a deadly earthquake that hit near Haiti overnight. We know that at least 10 people have been killed a 135 are injured.

BLACKWELL: The 5.9 magnitude quake it was felt across the country but most of the damage is on the northwest coast. Haiti's president tweeted that he is mobilizing all national resources to help. So far, there is no threat of a tsunami.

Official in Indonesia say at least 5,000 people are still missing potentially after a devastating earthquake and the tsunami there. The latest death toll up to over 1,700 people almost of those people have been buried in mass graves.

PAUL: And more than 450 aftershocks have been reported since the earthquake hit. That was more than a week ago. Officials say it's obviously going to take months to rebuild.

And a prominent Saudi journalist turned critic has mysteriously disappeared. Jamal Khashoggi writes for "The Washington Post" and was last seen entering the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul.

BLACKWELL: And now Turkish officials are telling "The Washington Post" and "Reuters" they believe that he has been killed in the consulate but Saudi Arabia is dismissing those claims. CNN has not been able to independently confirm the reports. Jomana Karadsheh is live from Istanbul. Jomana, hello to you. What do we know about the disappearance of this journalist?

JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, Victor, this has been such a mystery since his disappearance on Tuesday. What everyone seems to agree on is that Jamal Khashoggi disappeared around lunch time on Tuesday after entering this building behind me. This is the Saudi consulate here in Istanbul.

He was quite reluctant about going in. This is a man who left Saudi Arabia in the midst of that crackdown on critics and human rights, activist, and he really did not feel comfortable going in but his fiance -- his Turkish fiance told us he felt he had go to the consulate because he needed to obtain documents that will allow him to get married and settle down here in Turkey.

Now for the past week we've heard from Turkish officials insisting that he did not leave the consulate after entering. The Saudis have come out saying and he was in the consulate for a short period of time but then he left. They never offered any evidence to back that up as, you know, we have been able to see here.

There is a lot of CCTV cameras and surveillance cameras around this area that the Saudis could release to show him leaving that building and, overnight, this very worrying development, you mentioned these reports that CNN has not been able to independently verify. We are hearing from the "The Washington Post," of course, Khashoggi was a contributor to their global opinions section and also from the "Reuters" news agency.

They are quoting two Turkish officials saying that Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate but we have not yet seen any evidence of this, no details of how they believe he was killed inside the consulate.

And since then, Saudi Arabia, through their state news agency, quoting an official here at the consulate saying that these reports are baseless allegations and denying this and saying they have dispatched an investigator, team of investigators here to Istanbul to assist Turkey with this investigation. All eyes are on the President Erdogan who is set to speak in a preplanned event in about half an hour's time from now waiting to see if he will discuss this issue, the disappearance of this Jamal Khashoggi -- Victor, Christi.

PAUL: All right. Jomana Karadsheh, thank you so much.

And two men were shot. It seemed to be according to authorities randomly in what is normally a safe Chicago neighborhood. We will tell you what we are learning.



BLACKWELL: Two men seemingly chosen at random were shot in Chicago this was just two days ago. And police think the same shooter was behind both of them.

PAUL: Yes. People in the community, in fact, they are so desperate for answers that they are putting up their own money just to form a reward. CNN's Scott McLean has more.


SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With quiet tree-lined streets, a direct link to downtown and sweeping views of Lake Michigan, Chicago's Rogers Park is a safe desirable neighborhood by almost every measure. But lately, people here have been on high alert after two separate murders in a span of just 36 hours. The victim seemingly chosen at random.

The first happened in broad daylight. Neighbors heard the shot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I couldn't believe that was happening.

MCLEAN: Seventy-three year old Douglas Watts was out walking his dogs when a masked man in a dark track suit shot him in the head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guy was such a nice guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was a sweet old man. He could barely walk. I mean, what kind of enemies could he have?

MCLEAN: Surveillance footage caught the suspect taking off down in a nearby alley. But the video reveals almost nothing identifiable except, police say, for a distinctive walk. His feet point noticeably outward.

Ladi Ogunnubi says he saw the suspect moments before the shooting.

LADI OGUNNUBI, WITNESS: As I was stepping out, my complex, he started like to walk further away from me. But I forgot something in the house on my way to church and so I went -- I ran back in to go get that.


And when I had come back out like, within a minute or two, I started to see cops and a bit of chaos. It could have been me.

MCLEAN: Just a day later, 24-year-old Eliyahu Moscowitz was killed along the lake front path just a few blocks away, also shot in the head.

CLEVELAND HUGHES, AREA RESIDENT: It just made me really sad.

MCLEAN: Did it make you think twice to even jog down here today?

HUGHES: Yes. It definitely makes me think twice. And if you guys saw me running, I'm trying to get it in and out as fast as I can.

MCLEAN: This week, police held a packed community meeting to calm fears and also advise caution. Some people wondered if these were hate crimes. The first victim was gay. The second, an orthodox Jew.

Others think that white people were the target. Police are not talking about potential motives, but they are stepping up patrols. They think the suspect is a local.

FIRST DEPUTY SUPT. ANTHONY RICCO, CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT (ph): He is not a ghost. He shops in stores around there. He walks the neighborhood around there.

MCLEAN: Police have dozens of leads, but still no suspects. Little comfort for a neighborhood praying he is caught before he kills again.

Scott McLean, CNN, Chicago.


BLACKWELL: October is domestic violence awareness month but not all abuse leaves bruises. We know that. Next, financial adviser and author Suze Orman breaks down the key signs of financial abuse.



PAUL: Having a lot of conversations lately about sexual abuse, but we can't forgot abuse comes in many forms. We're talking about physical, emotional, and one that's often overlooked is financial.

Well, financial expert and author of "Women and Money" Suze Orman joins forces with the national domestic violence hotline and Avon and Avon's Foundation for Women to talk with seven different women who did suffer through financial abuse.

One is Shaundre. She was living independently with her young son. She had a home of her own in Ohio. She had a job. She fell in love and got married. And when she was driving with her new husband to Florida to get on a cruise for their honeymoon, she noticed something wasn't right.


SHAUNDRE, FINANCIAL ABUSE SURVIVOR: We are on the road going to Miami and he was buying gifts and souvenirs and, you know, we were stopping to eat. I'm like, oh, OK. Well, maybe he didn't put the allotment to the side but maybe saved that money so that we can really enjoy the honeymoon. Until we finally hit the border of Florida and he tells me that his card that he had, his credit card was maxed out. And he did not have any cash money at the next gas stop.

And I ask him, I said, oh, but you've been buying stuff on the road the whole time. What happened to the money? And he said, oh, I've been going in your purse in your wallet and spending that money.


PAUL: This isn't easy to talk about let alone reveal it public but I talks to Suze about this earlier. Listen to this.


SUZE ORMAN, AUTHOR, "WOMEN AND MONEY": First of all, I was in shock. Because it's like here you are. This really vital brilliant woman who has been so independent on your own and now you could very easily see how this is going to tumble into total financially fiasco.

But want to know what is so fascinating? Throughout this entire interview, until the very end, she had no idea that she was being financially abused, because it wasn't a black and blue mark. It wasn't a slap. It wasn't verbal abuse.

And I looked at her and I said, but this wasn't right. And she had, "why not?" So you'll see as you see this video and many of the other videos that none of the women had a clue that they were besides being physically mentally, emotionally, psychology abused if they were being financially abused as well. It was so sad -- so sad to me.

PAUL: Yes. And you asked her another really important question I want to get to. Let's listen to this when you asked her, why did you stay?


SHAUNDRE: At the time, I didn't have a job. And he was the primary bread winner for the home. And then it just -- the bottom fell out all over again.

Well, when he would get paid, all of a sudden, at 8:00, your deposit hits and 8:15 you're broke. Your account is in the negative. And I could not figure out for the life of me where is your money going?


PAUL: What do you say to women who stay for that reason? You know, they are married and they want to honor those vows.

ORMAN: It's not until death do you part, it's until debt do you part. And this is a typical sign of being financially abused, where, all of a sudden, you're finding yourself in a situation where the money is gone. You have no access to the money. You don't have credit cards anymore because they won't allow you to or if you do, they have been maxed out by your partner.

They are watching every move that you make and, all of a sudden, you have this feeling of, wait, I'm not understanding this. So it is a essential that every single woman has their own credit cards, they have their own bank account, they have a fund where if they need to leave, they want to leave, they can. Do not become financially trapped because once you're trapped there, now you're in big trouble.

PAUL: I wanted to ask you about something else that she said. Because you mentioned she was so independent and she, you know, was on her own and then it almost became -- she became child-like, she said. And that has got to be a really hard place to be. ORMAN: What is interesting, out of all the seven women that I interviewed, what shocked me the most was that every single one of them entered the relationship in the same way and everyone of them, little by little, the first thing was they started to be cut off from their parents and their family and their friends.


And then the man started to control all of the money. Everyone, the steps were identical. So it's a trade that all of us need to look at.

You know, one out of four of us suffer abuse and there is like -- that is not just a few thousand people. It's like millions of people and financial abuse now is prevalent in almost every one of those situations.

So it's not just are you being physically abused. Women that are watching this right now, I am telling you, you need to know, are you in a financially abused relationship? Because if you're afraid to ask for money, if you're afraid when you go and buy something, what are you doing with it? Do you have to hide it?

If you're not allowed to see where your money is going or where their money is going, if you can't have your own credit cards, you are in danger. So please come to us. Come to us and let us help you.


PAUL: If you are in an abusive situation and you need help, you can contact the National Domestic Violence hotline at You can also live chat with an advocate or you can call 1-800-799-SAFE. And you can talk to an advocate there.

To see more of Suze and the stories of Shaundre and all the other women, that full series is called "Women Breaking Free." It starts this morning online at

BLACKWELL: I think you too have just opened some eyes this morning, because there a lot of people who don't think what she described is actually abuse.

PAUL: They don't realize. You don't realize it when you're in it.


PAUL: I mean, I was like that. I was in kind of an emotionally and physical. And you just don't realize it when you're in the middle of it. But if you are being denied access to accounts that are you are contributing to --

BLACKWELL: Yes, yes.

PAUL: -- if you are being so closely watched with your money and you're not able to spend it or if you don't have a job and you're given an allowance and you have to show where you're using that, I mean, all of that contributes to -- there is no freedom there. BLACKWELL: Yes.

PAUL: There is no freedom there. It contributes to abuse. You just don't recognize it or characterize it as such.

BLACKWELL: That certainly was eye opening.

Tonight at 10:00, learning more. Lisa Ling explores the revolution underway on how people think about gender. Here's a quick preview looking at how a new generation is rewriting the rules.


LISA LING, CNN HOST: Neutral (ph) pride?

MICKEY, GROUP LEADER: Neutrois (ph).

LING: Neutrois (ph).

(voice-over): Pansexual, demigirl, aromantic.

Twenty-seven year old Mickey, one of the group's leaders, introduces me to some of the new terms being used to described gender and sexual preference.

(on camera): Why is it important for kids to be able to come here and identify with one of these flags or emblems?

MICKEY: It can be really isolating being a different gender. So having flags shows not just I am feeling this, that so many other people are too.

LING (voice-over): These identities are considered non-binary an umbrella term for genders in between or outside the traditional binary of male and female.

(on camera): Do you think people have always felt kind of in between or outside of the two genders that we have all been assigned?

MICKEY: I definitely think so. I think that now the language has been developed for people to really understand what that means. But people have been existing outside of genders like for, I don't know, thousands of years, honestly.

LING: So let me find your sticker.


BLACKWELL: Don't miss "This Is Life" tonight at 10:00 only on CNN.

And SNL, "Saturday Night Live" takes on the Kavanaugh confirmation. We have that for you coming up.


KENAN THOMPSON AS DON LEMON: Quite the display, Dana. HEIDI GARDNER AS DANA BASH: That's right, Don. There are a lot of pacemakers being put to the test tonight. And I see Mitch McConnell here. Mitch --




BLACKWELL: Well, after being tortured as a child and coming to the U.S. nearly penniless, she is tackling the rampant homelessness problem in her own backyard.

PAUL: Yes. You have got to meet Betty Chin here.


BETTY CHINN, CNN HERO: In China, my family is a target for the government. I separate with my family and I live on the street by myself. This all happened in a very young age. I had nothing to eat. Inside my heart I don't want anybody suffer what I suffer.

I don't sleep a lot. I get up at 2:07. Not 2:08, not 2:06. I tell myself time to go. Somebody needs your help.


BLACKWELL: To see Betty in action, go to

PAUL: Well, Republicans are justified in celebrating Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the Supreme Court. A lot of people will say, it has been a good week for President Trump at the end of the day.

BLACKWELL: It has been. The comedians at "Saturday Night Live," they took no time. They got right to it, addressing that excitement.


GARDNER: Do you feel like this is a win you can be proud of?

BECK BENNETT AS MITCH MCCONNELL: Oh, hell yes, Dana. Republicans are ready to move the country and we could tell the people really wanted Kavanaugh. Everyone is pumped from white men over 60 to white men over 70.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Senator Schumer, what went wrong?

ALEX MOFFATT AS CHUCK SCHUMER: Well, my doctor thinks it might be sciatica.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I meant with the Kavanaugh vote.

MOFFATT: Oh, right. Yes. Well, the Dems lost another one.


Yes, that's what we do now. Look, we thought this time would be better than the Anita Hill hearing because Dr. Ford was white but -- then it turned out Brett Kavanaugh was white too and, you know, we were completely blindsided by that.