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BIANCA NOBILO, CNN HOST (voice-over): Welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Bianca Nobilo in London.
More than six days after a prominent Saudi journalist seemingly disappeared without a trace, pressure is mounting on Saudi Arabia to provide answers on
his whereabouts. Jamal Khashoggi has been missing since a visit to the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul. Khashoggi an outspoken critic of the
Saudi government, especially its crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.
Turkey's foreign ministry is investigating his disappearance and according to Turkish media has asked Saudi Arabia for permission to search its
consulate. CNN's international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson has more.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Last Tuesday Jamal Khashoggi walked through these doors into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul,
a simple visit to collect marriage papers for his wedding in a few days. It was the last time he was seen.
According to Turkish officials, Khashoggi's fiance waiting for him outside raised the alarm nearly four hours later. The Saudis insist he left the
"My understanding is he entered and got out after a few minutes or one hour. I'm not sure."
That despite all the cameras around the consulate there is no video footage of him.
On Saturday Saudi diplomats allowed journalists into the consulate to show he wasn't there but at the same time, unnamed Turkish officials were
claiming Khashoggi had been killed at the consulate and his body removed.
Official Turkish media also report at the very same day that Khashoggi vanished, some 15 Saudis arrived in Turkey and had gone to the consulate.
Turkish prosecutors have opened a criminal investigation.
RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, PRESIDENT OF TURKEY (through translator): Everything including entries and exits to the consulate are being investigated and
departures and arrivals to airports are also under investigation.
The Turkish president who knows Khashoggi well says he hopes Khashoggi will resurface. But friends of the Saudi journalists in Istanbul say they are
making funeral preparations.
TURAN KISLAK, TURKISH-ARAB MEDIA ASSOCIATION (through translator): Today we were meant to meet. It should have been today that he had his papers
this week either today or next Sunday he was planning to get married but this never happened.
ROBERTSON: Jamal Khashoggi was not a Saudi dissident but a powerful critic, an insider who had fallen out with the all-powerful crown prince
Mohammed bin Salman over the war in Yemen, the crisis in Qatar and the way he thought debate at home was being suffocated.
He always pushed the envelope. Religious conservatives loathed him. Last year he moved to Washington, a self-imposed exile, telling CNN that
reformers in the kingdom were being stifled. He said he, too, was under pressure.
Khashoggi's colleagues at "The Washington Post" say they won't let this drop, raising the specter of increased scrutiny of Saudis already closely
watched leader in waiting.
KAREN ATTIAH, "THE WASHINGTON POST": We're not going to shut up. We're going to keep his name out there and we're going to again if anything
anybody who would want to silence him they've only made us want to present who he is, who was to the world even more strongly.
ROBERTSON: As the mystery deepens and Saudi Arabia violently denies knowing anything about Khashoggi's disappearance, some in Saudi even
suggest that Turkey, which sided with Qatar and is to speak with the kingdom, is exploiting the situation.
But if, as some Turkish officials insist, evidence emerges that Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate, the repercussions will be profound. And
the vision that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman wants for Project Saudi Arabia will be severely tarnished -- Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
NOBILO: Jomana Karadsheh is tracking the story from outside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul where Jamal Khashoggi was last seen.
Jomana, what's the latest on this fast-moving investigation?
JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's been nearly a week since he disappeared. It doesn't seem we're any closer to figuring out where he is
or what happened to him.
KARADSHEH: Turkey did launch this criminal instigation into his disappearance. We know they're going through everything. They're combing
through footage on security cameras.
Just to give you an idea, this is not an isolated or remote part of Istanbul. This is a busy and commercial area. There's some other
diplomatic missions around here. There's no shortage of security cameras in addition to the multiple cameras outside the consulate.
We know that investigators are looking at who went into the consulate, who left the consulate. Arrivals and departures at the airport around that
time, too. One thing of interest for investigators, as we understand from state media, is a group of 15 Saudis they say including officials who
arrived in the city on Tuesday, they were in the consulate at the same time that the journalist was in there and they left the country at the same
So this is something that they're looking very closely at. In the past few hours, we also heard that Turkey has requested permission to search the
consulate. Some are really skeptical, Bianca, about what that's going to accomplish days after his disappearance.
NOBILO: Jomana, the Turkish president is speaking now.
What have we heard from him or his government?
They've asked Saudi Arabia for some permissions to search the consulate.
What else have we heard from them?
KARADSHEH: Bianca, over the weekend, reports, allegations coming out from unnamed Turkish officials and also an adviser to President Erdogan all
saying that they believe that he may have been killed inside the consulate.
They did not provide any evidence. They didn't say how they reached that conclusion. And Saudi Arabia obviously dismissed this, saying these were
baseless allegations. So everyone was waiting to hear from President Erdogan to see if he was going to confirm any of these reports.
When he finally spoke on Sunday, he did not confirm that; he actually sounded a bit more hopeful, a bit more optimistic about the situation,
saying we have to wait and see what comes out of this investigation, saying that he is personally following this, that he has known him for years and
he described him as a friend.
So it did seem at that point that Turkey was not yet ready to take this to the next level of a full-blown diplomatic crisis. Right now, it seems we
have to just wait and see the next move from either side, from Saudi Arabia, from Turkey.
Is anyone going to produce any evidence to back these allegations and these claims that we've heard from both sides?
NOBILO: Jomana Karadsheh in Istanbul, Turkey, thank you.
The top police officer in the world is in trouble with the law. China announced Monday it's arrested the head of Interpol for taking bribes and
other crimes. This as Interpol has received his resignation. It's the latest high-profile arrest in China's wide-ranging corruption crackdown.
CNN's Sam Kiley has the latest.
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The last communication to a wife, "Wait for my call."
Then four minutes later, the image of a knife.
Her husband had been president of Interpol. Now Grace Meng says she fears for her life and will not show her face. She's had death threats since her
husband disappeared in China. She appealed for help from the Chinese people but not the government.
As head of the organization that links police forces around the world, not even Meng Hongwei, who was also a vice minister of public security in
China, was above suspicion in China's crackdown against allegedly corrupt officials. He vanished in China at the end of September. Two weeks later,
his detention confirmed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Since Meng Hongwei has allegedly taken bribes and violated laws, he's handed over his resignation as
KILEY (voice-over): The move by authorities had been kept a secret. Earlier reporting by CNN on his disappearance was blacked out in China.
Interpol accepting the resignation of its president with a meek tweet, replaced him without apparent protest. This is a nation that has executed
government officials convicted of corruption and jailed many senior figures.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It certainly sends a message that no person, whatever their position, I mean, this was a leading member of the Communist Party,
is immune from the campaign again corruption.
KILEY (voice-over): His detention comes soon after China's most famous actress and Hollywood star, Fan Bingbing, also vanished for several months.
She's been asked to settle $130 million debt she's told that she allegedly owes in back taxes.
KILEY (voice-over): For now, Meng faces detention and possible torture. If he's convicted on corruption charges, the odds are that China will want
to make an example of the man who was once the world's top cop -- Sam Kiley, CNN, Hong Kong.
NOBILO: Interpol's headquarters are in Lyons, France. That's where our Melissa Bell is right now.
Melissa, we've now heard from the Chinese authorities and Interpol. You're there at the headquarters.
What has the response been from people he worked with and knows about the credibility of these allegations and what's happening to him?
MELISSA BELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, of course, as you've been reporting, Bianca, we now know that it's on corruption charges that he's
being held. That is what the Chinese government is accusing him of.
Here in Lyons, we've been speaking to his wife, who, you remember, raised the alarm about his disappearance at the end of last week after she
received that text message. She waited several days to see whether that call would come and that had gone to French police authorities.
That was when the mystery was made public. Since then, they're accusing him of corruption.
She is accusing them of political persecution. That's what she's told CNN exclusively for the time being.
As for Interpol, they're remaining tight-lipped. We've seen two statements over the weekend, the first one after his disappearance had emerged about
the fact that they were pressing Chinese authorities for further information and they were concerned about his whereabouts and his welfare.
That second one yesterday, is saying they received word of his resignation and so would be appointing an interim head. And it is next month only that
Interpol will be meeting in Dubai to choose the next head of this world policing agency.
So still a great deal of mystery, lots of questions. Not a great deal of information coming out here in Lyons. But many questions for Chinese
When we will know more about the charges he was facing?
When we're likely to hear from him again and to get an idea of his precise whereabouts and his safety. That's something his wife is keen to get to
the bottom of.
NOBILO: Melissa Bell in Lyons, France, outside the Interpol headquarters, thank you very much.
NOBILO: Now let's get you up to speed on some other stories that are on our radar at the moment.
An investigative journalist was found raped and murdered in Northern Bulgaria Saturday. According to Bulgarian media, the 30-year-old Victoria
Maranova (ph) was looking into alleged corruption involving European Union funds for the broadcast at TVN before her murder. She's the third
journalist killed in the E.U. this year.
Police in New York State are trying to figure out why a limousine plowed into a parked SUV, causing the deadliest U.S. automobile accident in nearly
a decade. Twenty people were killed, including two bystanders. Authorities are looking into whether the limo driver was speeding or if
there may have been a problem with the brakes.
U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo met with North Korean leader Kim Jong- un on Sunday. Afterward, Pompeo said plans are moving forward for another summit between President Trump and Kim. Pompeo also stopped in Beijing for
talks about the strained U.S. relationship with China. CNN's Alexandra Field has more on that.
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo wraps up his latest swing through Asia with a stop in Beijing, where he had
a somewhat chilly reception. The visit comes as we've seen tensions mount between the United States and China.
It also comes on the heels of a speech made the U.S vice president Mike Pence. He blasted China on a number of fronts, everything from military
aggression to trade practices, to allegations that China was working to undermine the Trump presidency.
Pompeo was meeting his counterpart, China's foreign minister Wang Yi, who said that the U.S.' recent remarks and actions has a shadow cast on
bilateral ties. It also eroded trust between the two countries.
Pompeo said there are fundamental disagreements between China and the U.S. But those at the table in Beijing agreed they could work together on North
Pompeo's trip through Asia also included a stop on Sunday in Pyongyang, where he met directly with Kim Jong-un. The two discussed details for a
second summit between Kim Jong-un and U.S. President Donald Trump. They continued with talks about taking steps towards denuclearization and North
Korea said that it would invite inspectors in to see the Punggye-ri nuclear test facility.
That's the same facility that North Korea said it destroyed over the summer months. At the time, they invited foreign media in to observe the
FIELD: But they didn't allow any experts or inspectors on the ground. Pompeo summarized the trip saying it represented a step forward and he
indicated there were a number of steps ahead -- in Seoul, Alexandra Field, CNN
NOBILO: Still to come on CONNECT THE WORLD, a journalist's mysterious disappearance rattling the Middle East and beyond. I speak to CNN chief
international anchor, Christiane Amanpour, next.
NOBILO: And welcome back.
Going back to the top story. The mysterious disappearance of a well-known journalist rattling the Middle East. Jamal Khashoggi, a vocal critic of
the Saudi government, was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week. His fiancee, who was waiting for him outside, says he
One Turkish official told CNN he personally believes Khashoggi was killed in the consulate. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia strongly denies any involvement
in his disappearance.
I want to bring in Christiane Amanpour, CNN chief international anchor and UNESCO's goodwill ambassador for freedom of expression and journalist
safely and a friend of Jamal Khashoggi.
Thank you very much for being with us. You've called Khashoggi a friend to many journalists here at CNN.
Could you tell us about him as a man and the work that he does?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN HOST: Well, look, I've known him for a long time and so have many of my colleagues. It's not just here at CNN. It's around
Europe, around the United States. He became a voice first of the Saudi government. He was sort of an independent voice connected to the
government, connected to the royal family but not actually inside it.
I first met him and talked to him during the first Gulf War, which was back in 1990. Then I interviewed him again many times over the years and I even
interviewed him and spoke to him and met up with him when he was actually working for the Saudi government in Washington as an assistant, an adviser
to then ambassador Prince Turki bin Faisal, who was previously the Saudi intelligence --
AMANPOUR: -- minister. He also was a previous ambassador for Saudi Arabia to Great Britain.
So just to say that Jamal was incredibly well-connected with the government of Saudi Arabia and with the royal family. It turned out that over the
years he did several different things. He started to -- he was part of setting up, obviously, under the aegis of Saudi Arabia, a new so-called
independent television station in Bahrain.
This was around 2015. And it was Saudi-owned.
But practically a day after it went on the air, it was closed down because he had invited some Bahraini dissidents to appear on television. This was
in the middle of all this Arab Spring that was going on and Bahrain was not exempt from that. But of course it went against the grain of both Saudi
Arabia and Bahrain.
Then, with this Prince Mohammed bin Salman, taking over as increasingly powerful and clearly now the crown prince and the leader in waiting, Jamal
started to write more independently, talk about some of the risks inherent of this incredibly powerful person.
He talked about the war in Yemen, which he started off by supporting but then realized it was kind of out of control, according to his perspective
and it was causing the kind of humanitarian disaster without any strategy to get out.
And he was told to shut up by the Saudis.
So he did. He stopped tweeting, he stopped talking publicly. And all the time he was thinking, what do I do?
What is my responsibility?
That's when he decided to leave Saudi Arabia, go to the United States under a visa program and work, as you know, as a columnist and for "The
Washington Post" particularly.
NOBILO: If the allegations we heard from the Turkish government do prove to be correct, what sort of impact will that have on relations between
Turkey and Saudi Arabia already strained?
AMANPOUR: This could be a real watershed moment. First and foremost, the Turkish government is playing footsie with the press. It's not really
officially saying anything. It's some people on background and et cetera, saying what they think and obviously they've been empowered to do that
because they wouldn't do that under an equally autocratic President Erdogan. He's an autocrat.
And he's not going to let his government officials run around, telling things against the international press. I mean, I don't think so, unless
it was cleared by the presidency. He himself has been public in saying Jamal was a friend of mine, I'm closely following this investigation. I
hope that the worst we're hearing hasn't happened.
But the worst are incredibly gory details. It is unimaginable that that could happen to a human being in a consulate in a foreign country with
these two players, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. It would mark a huge escalation in a country's bid to silence a critic. Jamal never called
himself a dissident. He was an outspoken voice for what he believed was independent reportage.
If the worst of the worst is confirmed, it could have a very negative impact between Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
And the other big question is, where is the United States?
We understand the U.S. officials are telling CNN behind the scenes that they're pursuing questions, they're looking for answers because he was
living in the U.S. at the time. His congressman in the district where he was living has also raised the alarm on Twitter.
The question is why hasn't the U.S. said something publicly yet?
OK, maybe they're working behind the scenes.
But how long will it take them to make a stance?
Because as you know, traditionally the United States' position is to stand up for human rights and for free press and stand up for all of that.
However, under the Trump administration, that's sort of changed a lot.
Plus, the Trump administration has forged an even closer link with the current Saudi government and royals than previous administrations had. It
was always a close link but this is almost like a carte blanche and so far they've been able to do whatever they want. The Saudi government denies
heavily anything to do with this.
NOBILO: Christiane Amanpour, our chief international anchor, thank you so much for giving your insight into him as a man well as a journalist.
Here's a question.
Would you quit your job, trash your house, flood it and even set it on fire?
Well, of course, you wouldn't. That would be silly. But right now, we're all pretty much doing exactly that.
This hour, the smartest climate minds in the world putting out a brand new landmark report from the United Nations with a warning in plain English:
we have just 12 years to change so much of how we live, shopping, living our lives and everything that we do --
NOBILO: -- pumping out so many greenhouse gases or we're really going to get into a catastrophic climate disaster. Think of extreme droughts,
wildfires, floods hurting all of us.
NOBILO: Live from London, this is CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up, Brazil's far right presidential candidate takes a commanding lead after the first
round in the country's presidential election. We're live from Sao Paulo next.
And later, Israeli soldiers are hunting for a gunman on the loose in the West Bank. We'll tell you about a shooting at an industrial park that left
two Israelis dead.
NOBILO: You're watching CNN. This is CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Bianca Nobilo, sitting in for Becky Anderson. Welcome back.
U.S. President Donald Trump is defending his newly sworn in Supreme Court justice, calling the sexual allegations against Kavanaugh a hoax made up by
Democrats. He spoke moments ago on the White House lawn.
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TRUMP: I thought that the way they conducted themselves, the way they dealt with a high-level brilliant, going to be a great justice of the
Supreme Court, the way they tortured him and his family, I thought it was a disgrace. I thought it was one of the most ever seen.
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NOBILO: On another matter, Mr. Trump said he has no plans to fire Rod Rosenstein despite speculation to the contrary. He's the deputy attorney
general in charge of the Russia investigation.
The populist surge has reached Brazil as far-right presidential candidate secured a stunning lead ahead of a runoff vote. Known as the Trump of the
tropics, Jair Bolsonaro campaigned as an anti-establishment candidate and secured 46 percent of the vote.
Leftist candidate Fernando Haddad came in a distant second with about 29 percent. A runoff vote is scheduled for October 28th.
Journalist Shasta Darlington joins us from Sao Paulo in Brazil.
Thank you very much, Shasta.
Was this victory to be expected for Bolsonaro?
He didn't quite make the margin he needed to win outright. He was a marginal figure not that long ago.
What's behind this surge in support for him?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Bianca. He was expected to come out ahead. He was the front-runner but the numbers
did surprise. Brazil sent out a message loud and clear on Sunday that they are fed up with politics as usual, that they're fed up with the crime and
violence that are running --
DARLINGTON: -- out of control in Brazil. That translated into this huge vote for Jair Bolsonaro, who's a former army captain. He's been in
congress since 1991, where he's best known for these outrageous outbursts, where he would defend Brazil's military dictatorship, attack women and
Over the last year or two he's managed to reposition himself as this massive investigation into political corruption engulfed all of the top
parties in Brazil, sending many people to jail. He was able to sell himself as yes, a rude and crude politician but an honest one.
He said he'll drain the swamp. Not only that, he'll tackle the crime and violence, that he's the only candidate who is tough enough. He'll give the
police the firepower they need to shoot and kill criminals -- Bianca.
NOBILO: Shasta, some commentators have described the last election campaign as one of the most divisive and polarized that they've seen in
Is that likely to get worse and that divisions will deepen in the final few weeks before the election on the 28th?
DARLINGTON: Bianca, I really do think it will deepen. Already, we have Jair Bolsonaro with 46 percent of the vote and, on the other hand, the
Fernando Haddad represents the left wing Workers Party. These clearly are the most popular candidates. They came ahead out of this field of 13
candidates. But they're also the most unpopular. They have the highest projection rates.
And when you talk to voters, they often will say, it's not that I'm voting for Bolsonaro but I'm voting against the Workers Party -- or the opposite.
A week before elections, tens of thousands of Brazilians took to the streets in these massive protests organized by women against Bolsonaro,
with the slogan, "Not him," encouraging Brazilians to vote for anyone but Bolsonaro.
This antagonism and deep divisions is expected to deepen as we get closer to the October 28th runoff date. And the two candidates try and attract
the voters who didn't vote for them in the first round. But clearly, Brazilians are very angry at this moment and I don't see it improving in
the near term, Bianca.
NOBILO: Shasta Darlington in Sao Paulo. Thank you very much.
A manhunt in the West Bank is underway as Israeli security forces search for a gunman behind the deadly shooting. They say a Palestinian man
entered a factory where he worked and fatally shot two Israeli employees. Another Israeli was also wounded.
And prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu calls it a very severe terror attack and is promising justice.
Let's get the latest from Oren Liebermann. He's following developments from Jerusalem.
Oren, what can you tell us about the latest developments in this manhunt for the shooter?
OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bianca, this is still a large scale manhunt nearing 36 hours since the attack which happened early Sunday
morning. The Israeli military working with the security agency, like an FBI of Israel, as well as Israeli police to catch this suspect here, 23-
year-old Palestinian Ashraf Neloah.
This manhunt started shortly after the attack took place in the Barkan industrial park in the northern West Bank and has continued up until this
point. The focus still being near the area where the suspect is from the Palestinian city of Shuwaykah in the northern West Bank.
At this point, there won't be that much more information being put out by authorities as this search continues. Meanwhile, the two victims here, the
first 29-year-old Kim Yehezkel was laid to rest yesterday in her hometown. The second, 35-year-old Ziv Hajbi was laid to rest this afternoon.
As the country mourns, this manhunt continues as well as the investigation into what happened here.
NOBILO: Oren, another big headline in Israel today is the fact that that wife of Benjamin Netanyahu is now on trial. Sara Netanyahu accused of
misusing taxpayer funds and allegedly ordering some $100,000 of catered meals at their official residence. She says though, that she's done
What can you tell us about the trial?
LIEBERMANN: The trial will proceed very, very slowly. There was a 45- minute hearing yesterday. It was officially the beginning of a trial. But it's not like, for example, a U.S. or a British trial where there's now
continued day by day until the conclusion.
In fact, the next date of the trial isn't for more than a month from this point. Discussed during those 45 minutes was, for example, the number of
judges and whether the defense had all the evidence.
So essentially procedural details that timelines, rules for how this will proceed from this point. It does mark the beginning of Sara Netanyahu's
corruption trial. She's on trial for fraud and breach of trust. Prosecutors say she ordered more than $100,000 in meals to the prime
minister's official residence.
That's illegal under Israeli law where the residence itself already has a chef. This all going on --
LIEBERMANN: -- Bianca, as the prime minister faces his own corruption investigations.
NOBILO: Oren Liebermann in Jerusalem. Thank you for bringing us the latest.
Still to come on CONNECT THE WORLD, obviously none of us want climate change destroying our planet.
But did you know when you eat a beef burger, you're actually part of the problem in a big way?
We'll tell you why coming up.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at the before and after contrast of coral gone from healthy to bleached.
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NOBILO: You're looking at some of the first signs that we can actually see right now of the incredible destruction we're inviting upon ourselves with
climate change. Once vibrant marine life perishing in the heat.
At this hour, a new study from the U.N. spelling out the incredible changes we, each one of us, needs to make to pull a hard turn away from sparking a
climate meltdown across our planet in 2030.
Remember, we're already seeing terrible consequences of this. So to help us walk through it all, with me now is Bob Ward, a climate expert and the
policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and Environment.
Bob, first of all, your take on this incredibly comprehensive study and what you think are the most important takeaways.
BOB WARD, CLIMATE EXPERT: Well, the report spells out that there are going to be very grave consequences if we allow global warming to go on more than
a half-degree than we already have.
We've already seen one degree of warming so far. But this report says if we move towards 2 degrees of warming, we'll increasingly see impacts such
as more extreme weather events around the world, droughts, floods, heat waves.
And they will have very dire impacts, particularly on poor people and poor regions, where it's already very difficult through water scarcity, through
shortages. But it says that we know how we can do this, if we can reduce emissions to zero by the middle of the century.
Then we have a chance of not allowing global warming to go beyond that 1.5 degrees of warming.
NOBILO: You've said in an article that you've written for "The Guardian" that you think in some ways this report is actually conservative, as
shocking as it seems to all of us.
WARD: When I was a reviewer on the earlier drafts of the report -- and I've seen the underlying chapters and the summary, the summary for
policymaking was pored through last week, line by line by all the world's governments.
And it includes many very important risks but it excludes some of the bigger risks, such as the chances that all these impacts will lead to
population displacement and potentially conflict.
WARD: It also doesn't talk very much about tipping points in our climate system. It talks about the possibility of destabilizing the Western
Antarctica ice sheet, which could lead to several meters of sea level rise. But it doesn't talk about the possibility of the Gulf Stream being shut
down in the Atlantic, which could have severe consequences for Northern Europe.
NOBILO: I want to get into the things people in government could potentially do to mitigate this. America is the world's second largest
polluter of greenhouse gases. Keep that in mind as you listen to this.
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TRUMP: As president, I can put no other consideration before the well- being of American citizens. The Paris climate accord is simply the latest example of Washington entering into an agreement that disadvantages the
United States to the exclusive benefit of other countries.
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NOBILO: So with the United States out of such deals like the climate accord, how can these sorts of issues be addressed with any real momentum?
We're talking about just a matter of years to try and avert this disaster.
WARD: Donald Trump has signaled that he wants to leave the Paris agreement. He can't complete that process until the day after the next
presidential election. But I think a lot of Americans are beginning to wake up to the fact that they're just as vulnerable to both the impacts of
climate change as everybody else.
In fact, there's a hurricane at the moment developing in the Gulf of Mexico, which is going to hit the Gulf States later on this week. The
storm surge associated with that is going to be worse because of sea level rise.
I think Americans are going to start saying to the president, look, Mr. President, you have to do something about this. You can't pretend that
it's not happening. The scientists are clear. It is real and we have to do something about it.
NOBILO: That's what I wanted to talk to you about finally. The individual responsibility about this and what people can do apart from put pressure on
the government. Let's look at some ways that people can slam the brakes on rushing towards this climate disaster.
We have to stop eating so much red meat. Drive a car that's easy on gas. Use LED bulbs and a big one is averting overpopulation. Stop making
people, really, having fewer children.
What else can you recommend that people can do?
Or so you think it's feasible that people will be able to make the extensive changes needed to avert this?
WARD: Government and businesses need to lead but people can make their own difference in their life. They can choose electricity provided by getting
clean sources of energy. You can usually choose now providing energy generator by renewable energy for instance.
We need to look at saving energy. That actually cuts down on your bills. So that makes a lot of sense. You can start looking at more fuel efficient
cars and look at whether you can afford an electric car. That would solve a problem.
The big issue here is about meat. Meat is a very inefficient way of producing food and it causes a lot of greenhouse gases. Cutting down on
meat, many people would also give them healthier lifestyles.
The choice is, we make those changes, it's not just about our lives but about the lives of our children, our grandchildren and future generations.
I think most people will see that that's an effort worth making.
NOBILO: We've talked about what government can do and what people can do individually.
Are you optimistic that there are encouraging signs from business on all issues we just spoke about, even on people changing their diet, making sure
there are different food options, more options for green transport?
Do you see a shift happening there as well?
WARD: Well, what's been very surprising is since Donald Trump announced he's no longer interested in being part of the Paris agreement, there's
been a big response from American businesses in American states and American cities, all saying we understand the science, we're all going to
California in particular leading the way, setting itself very ambitious targets. I think those who understand and have seen the signs are acting
and showing they know how to do this. I think that sooner or later, Donald Trump is going to have to change his mind because it will be impossible for
him to ignore it.
NOBILO: Bob Ward, climate expert at the Grantham Research Institute. Thanks so much for talking with us. Appreciate it.
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Coming up, it's the end of an era in Tokyo. We'll tell you why the city's world-renowned fish market is closing its doors.
NOBILO: Now to our "Parting Shots."
It wasn't originally intended to be one of Tokyo's most popular tourist attractions. But for decades, people from all over the world have come to
witness the pre-dawn frenzy of the city's iconic fish market. Alexandra Field tells us why the beloved landmark has now closed its doors after 83
FIELD (voice-over): It is 5:30 am at Tokyo's Tsukiji fish market. A thousand colossal tuna fish have come off the boat. The prize catch is
inspected, then a flurry of movements. The bell rings, the auctioneer begins his rhythmic chants. Deals are done by the flash of a hand.
The best fish sells for nearly 40,000 U.S.
YUKUTAKA YAMAGUCHI, TUNA WHOLESALER (through translator): I wake up 2:30 am every day. I come to the market at 3:30 am. When I walked through the
market this morning, all my memories came up to me.
FIELD: Yukutaka Yamaguchi joined his father's business here 35 years. He buys certain fish on Saturday. It will be the last he'll take away from
Tsukiji. The catch of the day has come into the biggest fish market on earth for the last time.
YAMAGUCHI (through translator): I entered the auction for the first time in my 20s and sold raw tuna for the first time. All these memories and
emotions now overwhelmingly pours into my heart.
FIELD (voice-over): The metaphorical bang of Tsukiji auctioneers' gavel has long been the beating heart of the Tokyo food scene. 40,000 people
come here every day, buying a total of very 400,000 tons of seafood each year. For many of them, Tsukiji feels like the antithesis to Tokyo's
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love this chaotic fear. This is the real market. I will miss it here tremendously.
FIELD: In Tsukiji's place will be Toyosu Market, a modernized venue not far from here. This week Toyosu will become a provider for restaurants
from nearby Ginza and Shinjuku and all across Japan.
The new look has been controversial. The discovery of polluted soil at the new site still fears over public safety. City planners say chemicals at
Toyosu have been sealed up and that Tsukiji's aging facilities mean the market has to move.
But many people don't want to give up their piece of history. Yukutaka is proud of the city icon that he has helped to make.
YAMAGUCHI (through translator): My work is tough but I want to become a tuna man even if I was a bit worn for the next flight. I think this market
is wonderful. And I want to work here.
FIELD: One city government idea is to pave this over for a parking lot as Tokyo plans to host the Olympics in 2020. In a city that is forever
looking forward, Tsukiji will be remembered by many as a part of --
FIELD (voice-over): -- Tokyo's old soul -- Alexandra Field, CNN.
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