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Shocking Vids Unearth From Mom`s Facebook; Mom`s Chilling Post, I Couldn`t Ask For A better Man. Aired 6-8p ET

Aired October 08, 2018 - 18:00   ET

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[18:00:00] HILL HARPER, HOW IT REALLY HAPPENED SHOW HOST: Thanks for watching.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You thought you`d seen every side of the Watts family.

Before the girls all wound up dead and daddy wound up behind bars.

CHRISTIAN WATTS, HUSBAND OF SHANANN WATTS, SUSPECT: Just come back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But tonight, they continue to speak from the grave.

SHANANN WATTS, VICTIM, WIFE OF CHRIS WATTS: Hey, guys.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Saying things that may surprise you.

S. WATTS: I met someone, you guys are seeing this live.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dozens of videos just unearthed from Shanann Watts` Facebook.

S. WATTS: Here comes another one of Shanann`s posts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where Shanann loved to share that life was good.

S. WATTS: Have an amazing relationship. We get each other.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But could the new videos contain more clues.

S. WATTS: I`m definitely the dominant one in the relationship. All my stuff. He does whatever I tell him to.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How their relationship was shifting.

S. WATTS: We haven`t done as much as we have done this past year.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ll go through it, frame by frame.

S. WATTS: It brought back flashback of how Chris and I were just over a year ago.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does it inch us any closer to any answers.

S. WATTS: We`re just exhausted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Plus, Chris Watts` growing fan club.

S. WATTS: You`re wanted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hear from some women who think of this suspected murderer as a dream date.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield, this is "Crime and Justice." Tonight, there is more

to the Watts family than we ever knew. More clues from inside those walls where Chris Watts lived with his family before police say he killed his

whole family.

Because tonight, we have over four hours of never before seen video just unearthed from Shanann Watts Facebook page. A treasure-trove that we just

discovered as we dig deeper and deeper into their day-to-day dynamics. It is video that just might explain why the Watts girls are dead and why their

dad is charged with murder and it is video that exposes the unequal parts of Chris and Shanann`s relationship. Just as much as it punches up their

love story.

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S. WATTS: At that same time, I was in this bad place. I met my Chris. My husband now. And he is been the best thing besides my children, that has

ever happened to me. I couldn`t have asked god for a better man in my life. He is sexy, he is good looking and he does takes care of our girls.

Like he is probably the best father I could have asked for my children.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So what does it tell us, where does it lead us and does it get us closer to the question that needs to be answered? Did he kill them all?

Did he murder three of his family members? Will he actually be convicted of those crimes? Alexis Tereszcuk, is a senior reporter with radar online,

she joins me live now. Alexis, I thought I had seen just about everything. Shanann Watts was so prolific on Facebook and most of that had been mined

and aired. In fact, over and over again and then comes this trove of new signals and new dynamics and new things we hadn`t seen before. I want to

ask you about something. That perhaps you may see differently once you see this particular video. This is from November of 2016, so almost two full

years ago. And it is a -- I guess the best way to describe it Alexis, is a makeup tutorial by Shanann Watts, but Chris Watts maybe for the first time

plays a very integral role in the video and the dynamic between them really is the shining star of the this picture. Have a look.

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S. WATTS: When I take my make up off, you always want to do two things first. Wash your hands and two, wash your make up off first. Always wash

your make up off first before washing with cleanser. Hey, Chris, can you go get my charger, please? I`m going to wash my make up off. Again, guys,

no judgment after this video here. I`m really surprised, Chris is like I`m surprised you`re doing it. I was like, I know. He knows me. I should

make Chris go pour me a glass of wine. Hey, Chris. He is doing laundry. I hear him in the laundry room. He needs to get me my wine. So --

[18:05:08] WATTS: What do you need?

S. WATTS: (Inaudible) wants to know where my wine is.

Doing laundry chores.

WATTS: Yes, laundry.

S. WATTS: We don`t dry the kid clothes. So he is hanging them. He is being a good dad, and help me out. He just say a word, I`ll make him wash

his face, and I`ll throw another video on here of him doing his face. He does whatever I tell him to. So, he will do it. Give me five minutes

Jody, and I`ll go get him in the laundry room and have him wash his face. Hey, Chris.

WATTS: Yes.

S. WATTS: You`re wanted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Alexis, there is so much being said online in the dozens of Facebook groups and the tens of thousands of followers of these Facebook

groups. These members, everyone is tearing each piece of interaction between this couples apart. And a scribing some kind of an attitude to it.

What do you see in that video?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, SENIOR REPORTER, RADARONLINE.COM: I see a dad who was so cute. He is hanging up his daughter`s little purple pajamas. And he is

doing exactly what is by fun, what women does not want a husband that does all of that for her right. He is going to get her a glass of wine, he gets

her charger. He just smiles nicely. And she said, he is going to do whatever I want, I want to wash his face. What a good guy. He obviously

is a big football fan. He got a Steelers shirt on. She loves getting a facial from his wife. Super cute. But you can see that perhaps what

critics might catch on there is that perhaps that his wife when she says, he does whatever I say. Fast forward to what happens years later. She is

not alive. Their children are gone. He is been accused of murdering all three of them. Perhaps this shows a crack in their relationship.

BANFIELD: I mean, it is so difficult for the surviving family members to you know, to see everything that is happened since the murders. Bad enough

they`ve lost their loved ones. But then to hear, so the armchair quarterbacking of Shanann being somehow at fault. There are plenty of

people online who say this. When in fact, I think anybody who`s ever done a selfie video, could say, they do the same thing, if they`re performing,

they ask someone off camera to go grab something for them or do something for them.

Let me bring in Dr. Greg Cason, if I can, psychologist -- you know, I am frustrated by the idea that Facebook followers can beat up on a person

who`s already been victimized and her children, but at the same time, I don`t have a trained eye. I can`t really look into that video the way you

could.

GREG CASON PH.D., PSYCHOLIGIST: Yes, well, you know, I hate to even side with those Facebook viewers. I think there are some problems here in the

video. I think it reveals more than a crack. I do think Shanann is truly the victim here, but in this video, in this video alone, you see that her

style is more of a domineering style, so that she tells her husband what to do and I think that lends a little bit more to the narrative of how this

could have all gone down. She could have been the leader in the relationship and he could have been the follower in the relationship and

one day, he did finally crack and that is where the crack probably happen in the relationship, but I don`t see her as the perpetrator at all. It`s

just the nature of the relationship they had together.

BANFIELD: And what he was capable of coping with perhaps if what I`m hearing from you is what I think I`m hearing from you.

CASON: Ashleigh, I see he is coping was his coping might have been a little bit deeper. Like he might have really buried quite a bit. A man

who is that complacent and that much of a supplicant to his wife, sometimes is burying a great deal more. And that he might have put his own needs

aside in order to be with her and she very happily allowed that to be considering her history of being in bad relationships and others in the

past, that she finally found a guy who is a great guy until he wasn`t.

BANFIELD: Until he wasn`t. In fact, the fact that you mentioned this domineering aspect that some people have ascribed to her, she actually

admits it. In one of the videos, she talks about him being sweet and she talks about her being dominant. I`m going to ask the control room if they

can to just grab that one video, that we looked at, that was number three. And play that. Because I think it speaks exactly to what you just said,

doctor. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) S. WATTS: Chris and I think have an amazing relationship. We get each

other. I`m definitely the dominant one in the relationship. He is very sweet. He is very calm. I`m the high strung one in the relationship. So

it`s been a really good relationship. We get along really well and so I`m grateful for that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

[18:10:03] BANFIELD: So doc, weigh in on that. If you acknowledge the fact that is the relationship you both understand, should that be more of a

stressor than it is?

CASON: I don`t think it`s quite the stressor. I think in some ways, he really liked that. In some ways, he really liked a woman that was in

charge that allowed him to sort of do his own thing and that he could just follow along. Like I said, I think there`s something darker going on with

him. That he buried something very deep inside and by going with her, by going with Shanann, who is more dominating that could wear the pants in the

family, that could kind of say what goes where, that he could just kind of let go and go with her and have the kind of picture perfect life that he

always wanted to have, but unfortunately, there might have been a darker side again that started to emerge later that ended in what we all came to

know.

BANFIELD: So Alexis Tereszcuk, I want you to come back into the picture here. We had heard about a prior marriage. That Shanann had prior to

Chris Watts. There had been intimations that it was not a good marriage. Clearly ended in divorce and remarriage and now we are finding videos that

speak directly to that and the difficulties that Shanann Watts had with her former husband and former relationships. I want you to just listen to this

and I want to talk to you about it on the other side. Have a look.

TERESZCUK: Sure.

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S. WATTS: I believe god works in mysterious ways. I believe he places people in your life at the right time. Six months meeting Chris, I did

ignored his friend request. My friend send us -- both a friend suggestion for each other and I deleted it. Fast forward six months. I was in a bad

relationship before. I was married. Went through a really awful divorce. And that relationship really took a lot from me. It took my confidence. I

had to start all over and when I say financially all over, that was one of the big things with me. I`ve always felt like a failure, because I was

never -- I never completed college. I started into a bad relationship.

Quit college to take care of him so he could go to college and never started back. I was brought down for so many years that I believed it. I

believed I was this awful person. I believed that I didn`t look good. I believed that I didn`t have the right shape or body. I believe all those

things, because that is what people made me believe. Or person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Alexis, I found that to be one of the most telling Facebook live clips that I had seen, because she talked about the awful relationship she

had been in and also the financial difficulties she had been in. And it seems as though that followed her even though she wasn`t admitting it in

her newer videos.

TERESZCUK: And it`s true. The financial problems. This is a woman who built her own house. When she was 25 years old. So she had been very

successful, then she had financial troubles. And in fact, she and Chris had a lot of financial troubles, too, that is why she changed careers to

try to make some money to try to be successful.

And this is very telling, because their relationship, her relationship with Chris seemed perfect, but she knew what a bad relationship was like. She

had been in one before, so from the other videos, she was so happy and so thankful. Thanking god repeatedly that she found somebody who was the

complete opposite of her ex.

BANFIELD: So, if I can, I want to bring in Kenya Johnson. As a defense attorney, I sort of go back and forth as to whether these videos are

helpful to the prosecution or if they are helpful to the defense, because a prosecutor always wants to bring a victim to life in a courtroom and a

defense attorney always wants to see something in the video that might give a reason for the defense. How do you see it?

KENYA JOHNSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Ashleigh, you`re absolutely right. It can go both ways depending upon the themes and the narratives from both the

prosecution and the defense. I can visualize the defense using these videos to show that Mr. Watts was happy. He was in a relationship. He was

serving his wife and family. He was a good father. So I can see the benefit to taking away any motive from the defendant, but I can also see

that these videos can be used by the prosecution to humanize the victim, so to show how much she was in love with her husband and how great their

relationship was. We have to keep in mind that people post great things on Facebook. The best parts of their life. Very rarely do you see troubling

times on Facebook. And so to hear her narrative that she had her own internal struggles with her past, it`s really going to go either way

depending upon what the prosecution and defense and the themes that they want to promote.

[18:15:00] BANFIELD: I`ll tell you what, in any motion to suppress any of these videos, one of the things that I think will be most enlightening is

in the hundreds of hours we`ve watched, it is nearly impossible if not completely impossible to imagine this mom on Facebook or social media or

otherwise, strangling her children because her husband wants to split.

It`s very, very hard to be reasonable as a juror. And come to that conclusion. If you watch those videos, it is very, very hard to feel like

that is a possible outcome. So who knows this where this will go, but it will be an uphill climb, right? To get these videos introduce?

JOHNSON: Yes, definitely they`ll have to lay the foundation that these are reliable videos and they haven`t been tampered with in any way, however,

it`s up to the defense now to take a look at Mr. Watts` videos. Let`s see what he posted online.

BANFIELD: Well, I`m so glad you mentioned Kenya, because he deleted his Facebook, so we can`t show you those, but we are told that he was very

prolific, just like Shanann and had all sorts of material, but he deleted it. Who knows why, but I`m going to just put a pin in that for a moment,

because the hours following the death of Shanann and those little girls are going to be a critical component to the case against Chris Watts and in

those hour, where Chris went, what evidence will that work truck yield and by the way, if it is GPS enabled, how much of the story will it tell us?

That is next.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The camera of the neighbor saw that truck pulling out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hear the noise?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They had the coordinates and if I`m not mistaken, they have them from Chris Watts. I`m suspecting that they looked at the

GPS on his work truck and found out that he was there for an in order amount of time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By Chris`s own alleged admission to the police, that is the truck he used to cart their body to their final burial site.

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BANFIELD: If you`re a parent, you know getting the kids in the car can be a hassle, especially if those kids are just three and four years-old and no

doubt Chris Watts by all accounts seemed a doting and helpful father and had experience loading those two little girls into the family vehicles, but

on the morning of August 13th, he did it differently. According to what the police say he told them a few days later.

Chris apparently loaded Bella and Cece into the backseat with their mom on that day. Only all three of them were dead. And about to be driven to

their burial site. And since police say Chris is the one who killed them, it kind of makes you wonder about that work truck and whether that work

truck left a digital popcorn trail that led police right to his front door.

Joining me now, Javier Ortiz, he is a project consultant with RASTRAC Net incorporated, I`m glad you`re with us tonight because I have not been able

to find the missing link as to how the police were able to put a picture of his work site in front of him just two days after this family went missing

and he pointed out where the bodies were buried. And it got me thinking when we saw these numbers on the back of his truck, number 1139, right

there on the back window behind the driver`s side, it made me think this is part of a fleet. A fleet of trucks that usually is numbered, because it

actually belongs to a company. Does it look like that to you?

JAVIER ORTIZ, PROJECT CONSULTANT, RASTRAC NET INCORPORATED: Yes, Ashleigh, it does look that way to me. Definitely this is one of the things that a

lot of companies do to be able to identify their work vehicles.

BANFIELD: So help me to navigate and pardon the pun, but navigate through what police might have done when they heard from Chris Watts on Monday

morning that his wife and daughters were missing and that he had left for work at 5:30 in the morning driving that truck off into the darkness.

Would they have gone right to his company and said, did he show up at work and if so, do you have any proof?

ORTIZ: That is a very likely scenario and normally the companies like this, they use GPS tracking devices so they can track their vehicles. It`s

very likely they were able to pan the information from Anadarko. More than likely, they were able to tell at what time he was able to leave with the

work vehicle and also what path he took to his final destination in addition to that, much like you had said, you were able to see that popcorn

trail. So that you can see the times that he arrived, how long he was there. And when he left the destination.

BANFIELD: So that is fascinating. The fact that we`ve discovered Anadarko using something called the ROVR device. ROVR, stand for Real-time

Operational Vehicle Reporting, and what it is essentially is a tracking system.

[18:25:02] And it tracks you know, workers and their vehicles. And like you said, their patterns, their driving, all sort of things like, when they

get to a site, what time they arrive, how long they stand there at that site with that vehicle. What route they took to the site and when they

leave the site. So then Javier, by that kind of data, would it tell us exactly how long Chris Watts spent at that work site after he left his home

at 5:30 in the morning?

ORTIZ: It would most definite anytime give you the time that they arrive and how long that vehicle was there. You would be able to easily ascertain

that by pulling up the information like that and also maybe running a report and making it successful to law enforcement.

BANFIELD: What we sound so intriguing is before Chris Watts gave his alleged confession to the police, about where he had buried those three

bodies on that site, they showed him this picture. Not exact, but showed him an aerial picture of his work site and apparently, what they had done

is they had flown a drone over top, they had spotted a bed sheet, don`t ask me how or where, whether it was something that was accidentally left

behind, blew out of the back of his truck.

I can`t imagine he`d bury a woman in a shallow grave and leave a sheet peeking out. But they found a bedsheet somewhere around this site, but

before they knew any of that, before they knew any of his confession, they were already taking a drone out to that site. Do you think it`s because

the GPS on that work truck and by the way, the police call it a work truck. Shanann calls it a work truck in her videos, do you think it`s because they

ascertain from his tracking device on that work truck that he had been at that site far longer than a normal workday would have had him there?

ORTIZ: That is the most likely scenario. They would have been able to find out exactly where that worksite. That is one of the things they

probably did.

BANFIELD: So can I ask you if he is an oil rig petroleum operator, he might be savvy to the idea that the truck is tracked and maybe if he was

thinking clearly, he might have been able to disable the tracking device? Are these things easily discoverable? Are they easily tampered with?

Could he have done something to derail the capacities of that tracking device?

ORTIZ: It`s possible, but likely scenario is that they would be able to tell that there was tamper going on. That normally when tampering

occurred, the company is notified immediately so they can take directive action.

BANFIELD: Can I ask you how reliable that information is from those little devices? I mean, this is in the middle of nowhere, right? You probably

can`t even get cell service in some of these locations. How reliable is whatever digital popcorn trail might exist, how reliable is it?

ORTIZ: Normally, you`re looking at just under (inaudible) percent reliability with regards to cell coverage, even if there wasn`t cell

coverage, these devices have moved forward so that at a later time when they are entering to a cell coverage you are able to receive all those data

that it has prior to that moment and one of the things about ECS is it`s normally good within about ten feet, so you can kind of imagine maybe a

parking lot. GPS is accurate enough to you can determine what parking space a truck would be in a parking lot. So you have high reliability on a

device.

BANFIELD: And you got a little bit of break up in your phone line, but I think what you said off the top of your answer is that it`s nearly 100

percent reliable. Did you really say that? It is nearly 100 percent?

ORTIZ: Right. You would want to account for any (inaudible), but normally, you`re looking at well above 95 percent.

BANFIELD: I think you`re the kind of person we would see take the stand. In a trial like this. To say exactly what you said to me. To people like

prosecutors who need experts to get on the stand and talk about the new technologies that are used in crime fighting. I mean listen. There are

forensics that are microscopic and then there are forensics that are just plain digital. I keep calling them tiny little spies that follow us

everywhere we go. I think it`s incredibly fascinating. Stand by for a second Javier, if you will.

I want to bring in Tom Fuentes. He is CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI assistant director. I suppose none of this is surprising to

you. Would be the first thing you would think of Tom, in your line of crime fighting, the minute a dad says I can`t find my wife and kids,

someone help me find them, you go immediately to his workplace and find out if he is trackable in that car he left the house at 5:30 in the morning?

TOM FUENTES, CNN`S SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST AND FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Well, certainly and the kind of device, Ashleigh, global

position satellite devices use satellite, so they`re not reliant on the cellphone towers or the distance.

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Now, when the company or law enforcement using a phone company with appropriate subpoenas, track you with your cellphone, it`s not all that

accurate. It`s triangulating the signal strength geometry from multiple towers using geometry to determine maybe within 50 yards where that phone

is in relation to the towers.

But with GPS devices, they`re triangulating off of satellites and that data comes down and it can put you within nine or 10 feet on the planet

depending on the coverage, which is about 98 percent of a land mass of the planet, but it puts you in that not only altitude, but longitude, latitude.

It gives a 3D statement as to your location at that time using satellite coverage not relying on phone towers. So yes, one of the first things law

enforcement would want to check on is was there a device.

BANFIELD: I think what is so fascinating, my personal theory here is that there had to be a way that the police got a drone out to that work site so

damn fast. They knew what they were looking for. I sense that they went to Anadarko. First question you ask is, we got a guy who`s wife is missing, he

says he was at work first thing, you know, Monday morning, he left at 5:30, is there any way you can help us ascertain whether that`s true?

And they would say, here are our records. We don`t want any part of this. We are not a part of this, but we will help in any way. Here is our GPS

tracking and what do you know, his car was at a site for say three hours when he should only been there checking meters and writing down numbers for

say 20 minutes.

And lo and behold, police fly a drone out there to see if there`s shallow graves anywhere. But it`s just so fast the way you can track someone`s

movements and find out if they`re telling the truth, even in the beginnings of the crime that they`re trying to solve. So who knows. Maybe we`ll find

out in the trial whether that`s true or not. But just absolutely remarkable that truck had a spy probably attached right inside.

Tom, hold your thought for a moment if you will. There is certainly no shortage of people following every twist and turn of the Chris Watts murder

case and as usually the case, there is, there`s some that do a little more than just pay attention. They develop an affinity. A real liking for the

person accused of the atrocities. Men and women who crush on the criminal. And this case certainly has its share. I`ll outline that for you, next.

[18:35:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s the best thing that has ever happened to me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone who looked at Shanann and Chris, they just immediately thought it was love.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Skinny Minnie over there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was one key detail the police say that Watts left out, that he had been having an extramarital affair with a co-worker.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s sexy. He`s good looking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do I look? Am I working out enough? Chris Watts was going through all of those experiences during the run up to this horrible,

horrible crime.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: And while Chris Watts is innocent until proven guilty, there are others who are not. Ted Bundy, the night stalker, Charles Manson, the

Menendez brothers. They were all put behind bars for multiple murders. Sick and twisted and often described as evil.

But not everybody saw them that way. Because apart from the blood on their hands, they had something else in common. Love letters. Lots of them. While

they were locked up. From women with criminal crushes. And now we might just be able to add Chris Watts to that list.

Joining me once again, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter with Radar Online. I supposed you`ve covered enough crime stories not to be shocked, but at

the same time to be disappointed that there are so many who come out of the woodwork fawning all over people who are accused of crimes and it`s

happening again with this story.

TERESZCUK: It`s so shocking because these women write to these men in prison and they tell them that they love them, that they feel passionate

about them. That`s what`s happening with Chris.

There are these Facebook groups and these women are writing saying that they have sent letters and that they have spoken to his family members,

that they feel deep passion for him and they love him, and they know that he will be exonerated and he will be let out. And this -- this isn`t just

one person either.

[18:40:00] BANFIELD: Let me read one of them. You hit the nail right on the head especially with this one. Dear Christopher, I talked with your mom

and dad. They are OK and they still love you and believe in you. I am in a popular Facebook group called "Chris Watts: Accused Killer of Shanann Watts

and Children." I am your number one defender. A lot of us know you`re innocent of killing your beautiful children. We support you.

So, we`re obviously cutting out the name of the person who posted that in these Facebook groups. But I think one interesting aspect of this, Alexis,

is whether this is true, whether this person really has fallen for a person she doesn`t know, or whether this is somebody who`s just trying to stir the

pot and get attention.

TERESZCUK: And that`s something also that people do because if they`re then known as the person who`s writing to Chris and they`re writing back

and forth to each other, they could be then getting a lot of media attention if that`s what they sought. And that`s what these people come out

during crimes like this and cases like this from all over the world.

This isn`t just women that live in his town. They`re from all over the world, that write to him and that want to be involved in this, and they

feel like they know him from these videos that they`ve seen online and things that they`re feeling about him.

BANFIELD: Yeah.

TERESZCUK: This is the phenomenon for so many criminals.

BANFIELD: So fascinatingly, you know, it used to be that we had to get word from the jail to let us know if envelopes had shown up, but nowadays,

that jail won`t answer our questions and we don`t need to call them to find out if there are communications because they`re being posted like this next

one that also was posted on Facebook.

Waiting on Chris to be exonerated soon. He is not guilty. Pray for Chris. All caps. I`m madly in love with him and the passion, all caps, I feel

towards him is immense. All caps. Hashtag team Chris and three smiley heart-eyed emojis as well.

If I can, I want to bring in Dr. Greg Cason on this one. So, I i already floated the notion that this could be someone looking for attention,

looking to stir the pot. But the truth is there are people who marry men behind bars, men who condemned to die behind bars. Can you get your head

around that? Can you at least get some insight for the rest of us who are absolutely bewildered by it?

(LAUGHTER)

CASON: I think it is bewildering for the normal of us. I think we got to break these into several categories. One is exactly what Alexis talked

about, just people who are seeking attention. But they`re really the least harmful of the bunch.

The one we just saw, the Twitter post, that one is really telling in so many ways because that person showed by their all caps, their over-

emotionality. And the fact that they had lower case Is to refer to themselves, that this person sees themselves as somehow less than.

And this is exactly what we see. We see people who are seeking power and affiliation. They see Chris because he`s a media figure now and they see

him as possibly having murdered his wife as someone who is powerful.

It is sort of like an animal kingdom thing, they see him who could be a protector of him. And so, they are obviously seeing that he -- and does

imply that he did murder his wife, according to the writer of the post, they just see him as guilty or not guilty of murdering his children. So

they can then take the place of the wife and then go in there.

BANFIELD: You make so much sense and at the same time, you completely give me the willies --

CASON: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

BANFIELD: Because I can see what you`re saying. I just want to shutter and not think about people who do this kind of thing. I find them offensive to

all of our sensibilities, but at the same time, I think you make perfect sense in a very tragic way.

Greg, hold on for one second because we talked last week as well about Shanann`s telephone. That phone was that lodged between the cushions of the

couch in the upstairs loft part of the home. See where the arrow is? That`s the couch as you come up the stairs. The landing is right there.

They got a nice T.V. room and a playroom all set up there. Some of you, however, on Facebook, you want to circle back to this because next, we got

a brand-new theory as to how that cellphone ended up between the cushions of that couch.

[18:45:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My and I had two beautiful girls. Very healthy kids. Little baby monsters is what I call them. Celeste is excited. I live for me

and for my family. My kids, I live for them.

Oh, my god, I`m having way too much fun right here.

Oh, oh, I love you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BANFIELD: As you see the videos, it no doubt sparks questions in your mind and some theories that have come about have been new to us as well. On

Facebook, you guys have been really quite astounding. I want to read some of the questions and comments from our Facebook viewers. Kelly Rachou

Kadlick (ph) asks this question. Where are any defense wounds on his physical body from his wife, if he strangled her like he says?

[18:50:02] If he strangled her out of a fit of rage, from the front, he would be marked in some way, don`t you think?

Tom Fuentes, I think that is an amazing question. We`ve looked at pictures of him. Some people have thought they could see red marks but nothing stood

out like a sore thumb. Nothing at all. And I know that police looked for that right away, don`t they?

FUENTES: Oh, absolutely, Ashleigh. They would look for whether she scratched him with her fingernails and has some of his skin particles or

hair particles or fabric particles under her fingernails. That`s one of the first things that they will do in the autopsy she would get, especially

since she was not shot from a distance or stabbed.

BANFIELD: No, he said he went after her in a fit of rage. Fit of rage would tell you that there was a pitched battle between them.

FUENTES: Not necessarily pitch battle. He could have hit her on the side of the head, not leave a big mark or bruise and knock her out. She could

have been unconscious.

BANFIELD: He did admit to that. He just said he strangled her. So if his story is to be believed, he didn`t hit her or anything, he just went after

her.

FUENTES: The story can still be believed but incomplete.

BANFIELD: OK.

FUENTES: She might not have been fully conscious or in a position to put up much resistance when he strangled her. We don`t know that for sure.

BANFIELD: It`s a good point, good point.

FUENTES: He could have been wearing a jacket. He could have been wearing clothing where she wouldn`t necessarily put scratches on him, but get

particles of the clothing under her fingernails. And the marks that we saw in those pictures of his neck and face, I`ve had friends of mine tell me

they look like hickies more than --

BANFIELD: Yeah.

FUENTES: That could be depending on -- his lover might have put those there.

BANFIELD: It`s true. You`re right. I want to read this from Valerie Smith. Valerie says, could Shanann have come home and decided to sleep on that

couch because she knew Chris was having an affair since he said he wanted to go through the separation? And while she was sleeping, perhaps the phone

was lodged into the cushions, and she quite possibly could have been killed while she was sleeping on that couch.

Kenya Johnson, that is -- as a defense attorney, even as a prosecutor, as the lawyer working on this case, don`t you have to sort of navigate through

all of the possible theories?

JOHNSON: Absolutely. When we talk about reasonable doubt, that does not mean doubt beyond all reason. Of course there are going to be several

theories that the prosecution and defense attorneys are going to advance in the lack of any physical evidence because every crime leaves behind some

evidence.

So the lack of evidence can be a story told by the defense and the presence of the evidence can be a story told by the prosecution. So as we go through

all the different theories, it is something to consider, what the theme of the trial will be, and we still have to go back to motive opportunity.

BANFIELD: OK. Next question, and it`s coming up after the break, but I`m going to leave it with you so you can all sort of marinade over it. People

said this case is crazy, but will Chris`s defense attorneys claim that he`s crazy? More accurately, will they claim he`s insane? Can they? That`s next.

[18:55:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BANFIELD: Back with Facebook questions. This one comes from Barb Bowman (ph). Barb (ph) asks, as disgusting as this crime is, is it possible that

he, Chris, can claim insanity again blaming Shanann for trying to live up to the perfect life she tried to portray led him to do what he did?

Greg Cason, Ph.d. in psychology, crazy is not the same as insane, is it?

CASON: No. Insanity is a legal defense strategy, and you have to say that you have some kind of mental disorder, whether it`s temporary or permanent,

and that you didn`t know the wrongfulness of the act at the time you did the act.

So, that -- there`s no evidence that I`ve seen at all, even leaking out in any way that he has some kind of permanent or even temporary mental

disorder, and he does seem to have understood the wrongfulness of the act. It seems more sociopathic.

You know, there`s another kind of defense, which is the irresistible impulse, which you do see once in a while, that they do know the

wrongfulness of the act, but they couldn`t help but do what they did, and that was used in that twinkie defense against the killing of Harvey Milk,

the San Francisco mayor many years ago. So, that kind of thing, you can see, but I don`t see any way he can use it in this case.

BANFIELD: Kenny Johnson, I got 20 seconds left, does that ship sailed? Has it sailed already?

JOHNSON: Insanity and incompetence are the defenses that the courts are used to seeing and it is going to require a lot of professional

psychological testimony to establish that insanity or incompetence defense.

BANFIELD: Yeah. I would say if you are standing on your front porch giving T.V. interviews saying, "help me find my wife and beautiful daughters, I

miss them so much," having just returned from dumping them into oil tanks to really conceal them and putting your wife in a shallow grave, that`s

knowing the nature and consequences of what you did is wrong.

So I think that ship sailed. I`m not a lawyer, you guys are. Thank you so much for your work.

[19:00:00] Also, Greg, thank for the excellent analysis in this case. My thanks to Alexis Tereszcuk as well, Javier Ortiz (ph), and Tom Fuentes.

Thanks, everyone, for being here. Next hour starts right now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: You thought you`d seen every side of the Watts family.

SHANANN WATTS, CHRIS WATTS WIFE: Cece. Cece wait, honey.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Before the girls all wound up dead and daddy wound up behind bars.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS WATTS, SUSPECTED MURDERER: Just come back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But tonight they continue to speak from the grave.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: Hey, guys.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Saying things that may surprise you.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: I`m so well. You guys are seeing this live.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Dozens of videos just unearthed from her Facebook.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: Here comes one another one never should post --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Where Shanann loved to share that life was good.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: Have an amazing relationship. We get each other.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: But could the new videos contain more clues?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: I`m definitely the dominant one in the relationship. Chris steals all my stuff. Shouldn`t Chris go pour me a glass of wine? He

does whatever I tell him do anyway so he`ll do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: How the relationship was shifting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: We`ve not done as much as we`ve done this past year.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: We`ll go through it frame by frame.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: It brought back flashbacks of how Chris and I were just over a year ago.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Does it inch us any closer to any answers?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: And we`re just exhausted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Plus Chris Watts` growing fan club.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey Chris your wanted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: hear from some women who think of this suspected murder as a dream date. Good evening, everyone. I`m Ashleigh Banfield. This is

Crime and Justice. Tonight there`s more to the watts` family than we ever knew.

More clues from inside those walls where Chris Watts lived with his family before police say he killed his whole family. Because tonight, we have over

four hours of never-before-seen video just unearthed from Shanann Watts Facebook page, a treasure-trove that we just discovered as we dig deeper

and deeper into the day-to-day dynamics. It is video that just might explain why the watts girls are dead and why their dad is charged with

murder. And it is video that exposes the unequal parts of Chris and Shanann`s relationship just as much as it punches up their love story.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: At the same time, I was in a bad place, I met my Chris. I met my husband now, and he`s been the best thing, besides my children, that

ever happened to me. I couldn`t have asked God for a better man in my life. He`s sexy. He`s good looking, and he does take care of our girls like,

he`s probably the best father I could have asked for more my children.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So what does that tell us? Where does it lead us? And does it get us closer to the question that needs to be answered?

Did he kill them all? Did he murder three of his family members? Will he actually be convicted of those crimes? Alexis Tereszcuk is a Senior

Reporter with Radar Online is live now. Alexis I thought I had seen just about everything. Shannan watts was prolific on Facebook.

And most had been mined and aired in fact, over and over again and then comes this trove of new signals and new dynamics, and new things we had not

seen before. I want to ask you about something that perhaps you may see differently once you see this particular video. This is from November of

2016, so almost two full years ago. And it is a, I guess, the best way to describe it. Alexis, a makeup tutorial by Shanann Watts but Chris Watts,

maybe for the first time, plays a very integral role in the video and the dynamic between them really is the shining star of the picture. Have a

look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: When I take my make off off, you always want to do two things first, wash your hands, and, two, wash your make off off first.

Always wash make off out off first before washing it with cleanser. Hey, Chris?

CHRIS WATTS: Yes, babe?

SHANANN WATTS: Can you grab me the charger with the wall plug, please?

CHRIS WATTS: There you go.

SHANANN WATTS: What is what Sharon I`m going to wash my makeup off. Again guys no judgment after this video here. I`m really surprised. Chris is,

like, I`m surprised you`re doing it. I was like I know. He knows me.

CHRIS WATTS: Um-hmm.

SHANANN WATTS: I think I should make Chris pour me a glass of wine. Hey Chris. He`s doing laundry. I hear him in the laundry room. He needs to get

me my wine. So --

CHRIS WATTS: What do you need?

SHANANN WATTS: (INAUDIBLE) a little bit. Jodi wants to know where my wine is. You`re in the laundry, I told her.

CHRIS WATTS: Yes.

SHANANN WATTS: He`s doing like his laundry.

CHRIS WATTS: Doing laundry:

SHANANN WATTS: We don`t dry the kids` clothes so he`s hanging them because he`s a good dad and helping me out. You say the word and I`ll make him

wash his face. I`ll throw another video on here just a minute doing his face. He does whatever I tell him to anyway, so he`ll do it. Give me five

minutes Jodi and I`ll go get him fro the laundry room and have him wash his face. Hey, Chris?

CHRIS WATTS: Yes.

SHANANN WATTS: You`re wanted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Alexis, there is so much being said online in the dozens of Facebook groups and the tens of thousands of followers of the Facebook

groups, these members. Everyone is tearing each piece of interaction between the couple apart and ascribing some kind of an attitude to it. What

do you see in that video?

TERESZCUK: So I see a dad who is so cute. He is hanging up his daughter`s little purple pajamas and he`s doing what he his wife wants.

What woman doesn`t want a husband that does all of that for her, right? He`s going to get her a glass of wine. He gets her -- her charger.

He just smiles nicely and she says he`s going to do whatever I want. I`m going to wash his face. What a good guy. And he obviously is a big

football fan, he`s got a Steelers shirt on. Not only does he love football but he loves getting a facial from his wife. Super cute but you can see

that perhaps what critics catch on there is that perhaps, that his wife, when she says, he does whatever I say, fast forward to what happens years

later, she is not alive, their children are gone. He`s accused of murdering all three of them. Perhaps this shows a crack in their

relationship.

BANFIELD: I mean, it`s so difficult for the surviving family members to, you know, to see everything that`s happened since the murders. Bad enough

they`ve lost their loved ones. But then to hear sort of the armchair quarterbacking of the Shanann being somehow at fault, and there are plenty

of people online who say this. When, in fact, I think anybody who has ever done a selfie video do the same thing. If they are performing, they ask

someone off camera to go grab something for them or do something for them.

Let`s bring in Dr. Greg Cason, if I Can, A psychologist. You know, I am frustrated by the idea that Facebook followers can beat up on a person who

is already been victimized and her children, but at the same time, I don`t have a trained eye. I can`t really -- I can`t really look into that video

the way you could.

CASON: Yes. Well, you know, I hate to even side with those Facebook viewers that I think there are some problems here in the video. I think it

reveals more than a crack. I do think Shanann is truly the victim here but in this video -- in this video alone, you see that her style is more of a

domineering style, so that she`s -- she tells her husband what to do. And I think that lends a little bit more to the narrative how this could have

all gone down.

She could have been the leader in the relationship. He could have been the follower in the relationship. And one day, he did finally crack and that`s

where the crack probably happened in the relationship. But I don`t see her as the perpetrator at all. But it`s the nature of the relationship they

had together.

BANFIELD: And what he was capable of coping with, perhaps, if what I`m hearing from you is what I think I`m hearing from you.

CASON: Yes Ashleigh no well I see coping was -- his coping might have been a little bit deeper like he might have really buried quite a bit. A man

who is that complacent and that much of a supplicant to his wife sometimes is burying a great deal more and he might have put his own needs aside in

order to be with her, and she very happily allowed that to be considering her history of being in bad relationships and others in the past, that she

finally found a guy who`s a great guy until he was not.

BANFIELD: Until he wasn`t. And, in fact, the fact that you mentioned this domineering aspect that some people described to her. She actually admits

it. In one of the videos she talks about him being sweet and she talks about her being dominant. And I`m going ask the control if they can to just

grab the video that we looked at. It was number three. And play that because I think it speaks exactly to what you said, doctor. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: Chris and I, I think, have an amazing relationship. We get each other. I`m definitely the dominant one in the relationship. He`s very

sweet. He`s very calm. I`m the high strung one in the relationship. So it`s been a really good relationship, like, we get along really well, and so I`m

grateful for that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: So Doc, weigh in on that, if you acknowledge the fact that that`s the relationship you both understand, should that be more of a

stressor than it is?

CASON: I don`t think it`s -- I don`t think it`s quite the stressor. I think in some ways he really liked that. In some ways he really liked a

woman that was in charge that allowed him to sort of do his own thing and that he could just follow along. Like I said, I think there`s something

darker going on with him. That he buried something very deep inside, and by going with her, by going with Shanann, who was more dominating, that

could wear the pants in the family. That could kind of say what goes where.

That he could just kind of let go and go with her, and have the kind of picture-perfect life he always wanted to have. But unfortunately, there

might have been a darker side again that started to emerge later that ended in what we all came to know.

BANFIELD: So Alexis Tereszcuk, I want you to come back into the picture here. We had heard about a prior marriage that Shanann had prior to Chris

Watts. There had been intimations it was not a good marriage. It clearly ended in divorce and remarriage. And now we are finding videos that speak

directly to that. And the difficulties that Shanann Watts had with her former husband and former relationship so I want you to just listen to

this, and I`ll talk to you about it on the other side. Have a look.

TERESZCUK: Sure.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: I believe god works in mysterious ways. And I believe he places people in your life at the right time. Six months to me meeting

Chris, I ignored his friend request. My friend sent us as a friend suggestion for each other and I deleted it.

Fast forward six months, I was in a bad relationship before, I was married, went through a really awful divorce, and that relationship really took a

lot from me. It took my confidence. I had to start from all over, and when I say financially all over that was one of the big things with me.

I`ve always felt like a failure because I never completed college and I started into a bad relationship, quit college to take care of him so he

could go to college. I never started back. I was brought down for so many years that it -- I believed it.

I believed I was this awful person. I believed that I didn`t look good. I believed I didn`t have the right shape or body. I believed all those things

because that`s what people made me believe or person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: Alexis, I found that to be one of the most telling Facebook live clips that I had seen because she talked about the awful relationship

she had been in, and also the financial difficulties she had been in, and it seems as though that followed her, even though she was not admitting it,

in her newer videos.

TERESZCUK: And it`s true. The financial problems -- this is a woman who built her own house when she was 25 years old. She had been very

successful, and then she had financial troubles, and, in fact, she and Chris had financial troubles too. That`s why she changed careers to try to

make some money to be successful.

And this was very telling because their relationship, her relationship with Chris seems perfect. But she knew when a bad relationship was like. She

had been in one before. So from the other videos she was so happy and thankful, thanks God repeatedly she found somebody that was the complete

opposite of her ex.

BANFIELD: So if I can I want to bring in Kenya Johnson. As a Defense Attorney I sort of go back and forth as to whether these videos are helpful

to the prosecution or if they are helpful to the defense because a prosecutor always wants to bring a victim to life in a courtroom. And a

defense attorney always wants to see something in a video that might give a reason for the defense. How do you see it?

JOHNSON: Ashleigh you`re absolutely right. It can go both ways depending upon the themes and narratives from the prosecution and the defense. I can

visualize the defense using these videos to show that Mr. Watts was happy. He was in a relationship.

He was serving his wife and family. He was a good father so I can see the benefit to taking away any motive from the defendant. But I can see the

videos are used by the prosecution to humanize the victim to show how much she was in love with her husband and great their relationship was.

So we have to keep in mind that people post great things on Facebook, the best parts of their life, very rarely do you see troubling times on

Facebook and so to hear her narrative that she had her own internal struggles with her past it`s really going to go either way, depending on

what the prosecution and the defense and the themes they want to promote.

BANFIELD: I`ll tell you what, in any motion to suppress any of these videos, one of the things that I think will be most enlightening is in the

hundreds of hours that we`ve watched, it is nearly impossible, if not completely impossible, to imagine this mom on Facebook or social media or

otherwise strangling her children because her husband wants to split.

It`s very, very hard to be reasonable as a juror and come to that conclusion, if you watch those videos, it is very, very hard to feel like

that is a possible outcome. So who knows where this will go. But it`ll be an uphill climb, right, to get the videos introduced?

JOHNSON: Yes. They`ll have to lay the foundation that these are reliable videos and that they have not been tampered with in any way. However, it`s

up to the defense now to take a look at Mr. Watts` videos. Let`s see what he posted online.

BANFIELD: Well I`m so glad you mention that Kenya because he deleted his Facebook. So we can`t show you those. But we are told that he was very

prolific, just like Shanann and had all sorts of material, but he deleted it. Who knows why. But I`m going to just put a pin in that for a moment

because the hours following the death of Shanann and those little girls are going to critical component to the case against Chris Watts and in those

hours, where Chris went, what evidence will that work truck yield, and, by the way if it is GPS enabled just how much of the story will it tell us?

That`s next

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BANFIELD: The camera of the neighbor saw that truck pulling out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHANANN WATTS: Poor daddy`s truck getting beat up. Can you hear the noise? It`s hitting the window.

BANFIELD: They had the coordinates and if I`m not mistaken, they have them from Chris Watts. I`m suspecting they looked at the GPS on the work truck

and found out he was there for inordinate amount of time.

UNIDENTIED MALE: By Chris`s own alleged admission to police that`s the truck he used to cart the bodies to the final burial site.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: If you`re a parent, you know that getting kids in the car is a hassle, especially if the kids are just 3 and 4 years old and no doubt

Chris Watts by all account seemed like a doting and helpful father and had experience loading those two little girls into the family vehicles. But on

the morning of august 13th, he did it differently. According to what the police say he told them a few days later.

Chris apparently loaded Bella and Cece into the backseat with their mom on that day only all three of them were dead and about to be driven to their

burial site. And since police say Chris is the one who killed them, it kind of makes you wonder about that work truck, and whether that work truck

left a digital popcorn trail that led police right to his front door.

Joining me now Javier Ortiz. He is a project consultant with Rastrac (ph) Net Incorporated. Javier I`m glad you`re with us tonight because I have

not been able to find the missing link as to how the police were able to put a picture of his work site in front of him just two days after this

family went missing and he pointed out where the bodies were buried. And it got me thinking, when we saw these numbers on the back of his truck,

numbers 1139, right there, in that back window behind the driver`s side, it made my think this is a part of a fleet, a fleet of trucks that usually is

numbered because it actually belongs to a company. Does it look like that to you?

ORTIZ: Yes Ashleigh. It does look that way to me. Definitely, this is one of the things that a lot of companies do to be able to identify their

work vehicles.

BANFIELD: So help me to navigate, pardon the pun but navigate through what police might have done when they heard from Chris Watts own Monday morning

that his wife and daughters were missing, and that he had left for work at 5:30 in the morning driving that truck off into the darkness. Would they

have gone right to his company and said, did he show up at work, and if so, do you have any proof?

ORTIZ: That`s a very likely scenario, and normally companies like this, they use GPS tracking devices so they can track their vehicles. And it`s

very likely they were able to obtain the information from Anadarco. More than likely they were able to tell at what time he was able to leave with

the work vehicle and also what path he took to the final destination. In addition to that much like you said, able to see that popcorn trail, so

that you can see the times that he arrived, how long he was there, and when he left the destination.

BANFIELD: So that is fascinating, the fact that you discovered Anadarko uses something called the ROVR device, R-O-V-R it stands for Real-Time

Operational Vehicle Reporting. And what it is essentially is a tracking system and it tracks, you know, workers and their vehicles and like you

said, their patterns, their driving, all sorts of things, like, when they get to a site, what time they arrive, how long they stand there at that

site with that vehicle, what route they took to the site, and when they leave the site. So then, Javier, by that kind of data, would it tell us

exactly how long Chris Watts spent at that work site after he left his home at 5:30 in the morning?

ORTIZ: A system like this would most definitely give you times arrived and how long they, that vehicle was there, and so you would be able to

easily ascertain that by pulling up the information in a system like that and also maybe running a report, making it accessible to law enforcement.

BANFIELD: What we sound so intriguing is before Chris Watts gave the alleged confession to the police about where he had buried those three

bodies on that site, they showed him, this picture, I mean, not exact, but showed them a picture of their work site, and apparently what they had done

is they had flown a drone over top. They had spotted a bed sheet, don`t ask me how or where, whether it was accidentally left behind, blew out of

the back of the truck.

I can`t imagine he`d bury a woman in the shallow grave with a sheet sticking out, but they found a sheet around the site. But before they knew

any of that, before they knew any of his confession, they were already taking a drone out to that site. Do you think it`s because the GPS on that

work truck and, by the way, the police called it a work truck, Shanann calls it a work truck in her videos. Do you think it`s because they

ascertained from the tracking device on that work truck that he had been at that site far longer than a normal workday would have had them there?

ORTIZ: That`s the most likely scenario. They wouldn`t be able to find out exactly where that workday would start, so that`s one of the things they

probably did

BANFIELD: So can I ask you if he`s an oil rig petroleum operator, he might be savvy to the ideas that the truck is tracked, and maybe if

thinking clearly, he might have been able to disable the tracking device. Are these things easily discoverable? Are they easily tampered with? Could

he have done something to derail the capacities of that tracking device?

ORTIZ: It`s possible, but likely scenario if he had tried, they would be able to tell that there was tampering going on, and normally, when

tampering occurs, the company is notified immediately so that they can then take directive action.

BANFIELD: Can I ask how reliable that information is from those little devices? I mean, this is a middle of nowhere, right? You probably can`t

even get cell service in some locations. How reliable is whatever digital popcorn trail might exist, how reliable is it?

ORTIZ: Normally, you`re looking at just at reliability, with regard to the cell coverage, even if there was not cell coverage, these devices have

recording so at a later time when they are entering into cell service you`re able to receive all the data that it had had prior to that moment.

And in addition to that, one of the things about GPS is it`s normally good within 10 feet so you can imagine a parking lot, GPS is accurate enough so

that they determine which parking space a truck would be in a parking lot, so you have high reliability out of devices such as these.

BANFIELD: You got a little bit breakups in the phone line, but I think what you said off the top of your answer was that it`s nearly 100 percent

reliable, did you really say that? It`s nearly 100 percent?

ORTIZ: Right. So you would want to account for any glitches in the system but normally you`re looking at well above 95 percent

BANFIELD: I think, Javier, you`re the kind of person we see take the stand in a trial like this, to say exactly what you said to me, to people

like prosecutors who need experts to get on the stand and talk about the new technologies that are used in crime fighting. Listen, there`s forensics

that are microscopic, and there`s forensics that are digital. I keep calling them tiny spies that follow us everywhere we go. I think it`s

incredibly fascinating.

Standby for a second Javier, if you will. Tom Fuentes, former FBI Assistant Director. I suppose none of this is surprising to you. Would be

the first thing you think of, Tom, in your line of crime fighting, the minute a dad says, I can`t find my wife and kids, someone help me find

them, You got immediately to his workplace and find out if he`s trackable in the car he left the house in at 5:30 in the morning?

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FUENTES: Well, certainly, and depending on the device, Ashleigh, Global Positioning Satellites, devices use satellites so they`re not reliant on

the cell phone towers or the distance. Now, when the phone company (INAUDIBLE) or law enforcement using the phone company with appropriate

subpoenas, track you with your cell phone, it`s not all that accurate. It`s triangulating the signal strength from multiple towers using geometry

to determine maybe within 50 yards where that phone is in relation to the towers.

But with GPS devices, they`re triangulate -- triangulating off of satellites, and that data comes down and that could put you within 9 or 10

feet on the planet, depending on the coverage which is about 98 percent of the landmass of the planet. But it puts you in that, not only altitude,

but the longitude, latitudes. It gives a 3D statement as to your exact location at that time using satellite coverage, not relying on phone

towers. So, yes, it`s one of the first things law enforcement would want to check on is, was there a device.

BANFIELD: I think -- yes, I think what is so fascinating, my personal theory here is that there had to be a way that the police got a drone out

to that worksite so damn fast, and that they knew what they were looking for. I sense that they went to Anadarko, first question they asked is, we

got a guy whose wife is missing, he said he was at work first thing, you know, Monday morning, he left at 5:30. Is there any way you can help us

ascertain whether that`s true? And they would say, here are our records, we don`t want any part of this, we are not a part of this, but we will help

in any way. Here is our GPS tracking.

And what do you know, his car was at a site for, say, three hours, when he should have only been there just checking meters and writing down numbers

for, say, 20 minutes, and lo and behold, the police fly a drone out there to see if there`s any, you know, shallow graves anywhere, but it`s just so

fast the way you can track someone`s movements and find out if they`re telling the truth, even in the beginnings of the crime that they`re -- you

know, that they`re trying to solve. So, who knows? Maybe we`ll find out in the trial whether that`s true or not, but just absolutely remarkable

that that truck had a spy probably attached right inside.

Tom, hold your thoughts for a moment, if you will. There are certainly no shortage of people following every twist and turn of the Chris Watts`

murder case, and as is usually the case, there is -- there`s some that do a little more than just pay attention. They develop an affinity, a real

liking for the person accused of the atrocities. Men and women who crush on the criminal, and this case certainly has its share. I`m going to

outline that for you, next.

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SHANANN WATTS, MURDER VICTIM: He`s the best thing that has ever happened to me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone who looked at Shanann and Chris, they just - - immediate thought was love.

S. WATTS: (INAUDIBLE) vlog and he and Minnie (ph) over there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was one key detail that police say the Watts left out, that he had been having an extramarital affair with a co-worker.

S. WATTS: He`s sexy, he`s good looking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gee, how do I look? Am I working out enough? Chris Watts was going through all of those experiences during the run-up to this

horrible, horrible crime.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: And while Chris Watts is innocent until proven guilty, there are others who are not. Ted Bundy, the Night Stalker, Charles Manson, the

Menendez Brothers, they were all put behind bars for multiple murders, sick and twisted, and often described as evil, but not everybody saw them that

way. Because apart from the blood on their hands, they had something else in common, love letters, lots of them, while they were locked up. From

women with criminal crushes, and now, we might just be able to add Chris Watts to that list. Joining me once again, Alexis Tereszcuk, Senior

Reporter with Radar Online. I suppose you`ve covered enough crime stories not to be shocked, but at the same time, to be disappointed that there are

so many who come out of the woodwork fawning all over people who are accused of despicable crimes, and it`s happening again with this story.

TERESZCUK: It is so shocking because it`s -- these women write to these men in prison and they tell them that they love them, that they feel

passionate about them, and that`s what`s happening with Chris. There are these Facebook groups, and these women are writing saying that they have

sent letters to Chris, and that they have spoken to his family members, and that they feel a deep passion for him, and they love him, and they know

that he will be exonerated, and he will be let out. And these -- this isn`t just one person either.

[19:40:00] BANFIELD: Let me read -- yes. Let me read one of them. Because you`ve hit the nail right on the head, especially with this one.

Dear, Christopher, I talked with your mom and dad, they are OK, and they still love you, and believe in you. I am in a popular Facebook group

called "Chris Watts, accused killer of Shanann Watts and children," I am your number one defender. A lot of us know you`re innocent of killing your

beautiful children. We support you." So, we`re obviously cutting out the name of the person who posted that in these Facebook groups, but I think

one interesting aspect of this, Alexis, is whether this is true, whether this person really has fallen for a person she doesn`t know, or whether

this is somebody who`s just trying to stir the pot and get attention.

TERESZCUK: And that`s something also that people do because if they are then known as the person who`s writing to Chris, and they`re writing back

and forth to each other, they could be then getting a lot of media attention if that`s what they sought, and that`s what these people come out

during crimes like this and cases like this from all over the world. This isn`t just women that live in his town, they are from all over the world

that write to him, and that want to be involved in this, and they feel like they know him from these videos that they`ve seen online, and things that

they`re feeling about him. And this is the phenomenon for so many criminals.

BANFIELD: So, fascinatingly, you know, it used to be that we had to get word from the jail to let us know if envelopes had shown up, but nowadays,

that jail won`t answer our questions, and we don`t need to call them to find out if there are communications because they`re being posted, like

this next one, that also was posted on Facebook, "Waiting on Chris to be exonerated soon. He is NOT GUILTY, PRAY FOR CHRIS. I`m madly in love with

him, and the PASSION I feel towards him IS IMMENSE. #teamChris" and three smiley heart-eyed emojis as well.

If I can, I want to bring in Dr. Greg Cason on this one. So, I already floated the notion that this could be someone looking for attention,

looking to stir the pot, but the truth is, there are people who marry men behind bars, men who are condemned to die behind bars. Can you get your

head around that, can you at least get some insight for the rest of us who are absolutely bewildered by it?

CASON: Well, I think it is bewildering for the normal of us. I think we got to break this into several categories: one is exactly what Alexis

talked about, just people who are seeking attention, but they`re really the least harmful of the bunch. The one we just saw, that the Twitter post,

that one is really telling in so many ways because that person showed by their all caps, their over emotionality, and the fact that they had lower

case Is to refer to themselves, that this person sees themselves as somehow less than.

And this is exactly what we see, we see people in -- who are seeking power and affiliation, they see Chris, because he`s a media figure now, and they

see him as possibly having murdered his wife as someone who`s powerful, and it`s sort of like an animal kingdom thing, that they see him, he could be a

protector of him. Yes. And so, they are obviously seeing that he -- and that does imply that he did murder his wife, according to the writer of the

post, they just see him as guilty of -- or not guilty of murdering his children. So, they can then take the place of the wife and then go in

there.

BANFIELD: You make so much sense, and at the same time, you completely give me the willies because I can see what you`re saying, you know like, I

just want to shutter and not think about people who do this kind of thing, I find them offensive to all of our sensibilities, but at the same time, I

think you make perfect sense in a very tragic way. Greg, hold on for one second because we talked last week as well about Shanann`s telephone, that

phone that was lodged between the cushions of the couch in the upstairs` loft part of the -- of the home. See where the arrow is, that`s that

couch, as you come up the stairs, the landing is right there, they got a nice T.V. room and a playroom all set up there. Some of you, however, on

Facebook, you want to circle back to this, because next, we`ve got a brand new theory as to how that cell phone ended up between the cushions of that

couch.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. WATTS: My husband and I had two beautiful girls, very healthy kids, little baby monsters, as I call them. Cece is excited. Bella, are you

excited? You`re going to jump like that? Life of the party? Now, I live for me and for my family. My kids, I live for them.

Oh, my gosh, I`m having way too much fun right here.

Oh! I love you girls.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BANFIELD: As you see in the videos, it no doubt sparks questions in your mind, and some theories that have come about have been new to us as well.

On Facebook, you guys have been really quite astounding. I want to read some of the questions and comments from our Facebook viewers.

Kelly Rashad Tadlic (ph) asked this question, "Where are any defense wounds on his physical body from his wife if he strangled her like he says? If he

strangled her out of a fit of rage, from the front, he would be marked in some way, don`t you think?

[19:50:14] Tom Fuentes, I think that`s an amazing question. We`ve looked at pictures of him. Some people have thought they could see red marks but

nothing stood out like a sore thumb, nothing at all, and I know that police look for that right away, don`t they?

FUENTES: No, absolutely, Ashleigh. They would look for whether she scratched him with her fingernails and has some of his skin particles or

hair particles or fabric particles under her fingernails. That`s one of the first things that they would do in the autopsy she would get,

especially since she wasn`t shot from a distance or stabbed, but --

BANFIELD: No, he said he went after her in a fit of rage, fit of rage would tell you that there was a pitch battle between them.

FUENTES: Not necessarily a pitched battle. He could have hit her on the side of the head, not leave a big mark or bruise and knock her out. She

could have been unconscious like she just --

BANFIELD: Well, he did admit to that. He just said -- he just said he strangled her. So, if his story is to be believed, he didn`t hit her or

anything, he just went after her.

FUENTES: Well, his story can still be believed but incomplete. You know, he might -- she might not have been fully conscious or in a position to put

up much resistance when he strangled her. We don`t know that for sure.

BANFIELD: That`s a good point.

FUENTES: So, he was wearing -- he could have been wearing a jacket, he could have been wearing clothing where she wouldn`t necessarily put

scratches on him but get particles of his clothing under her fingernails. And the marks that we saw on those pictures of his neck and face, I`ve had

friends of mine tell me they look like hickeys more than --

BANFIELD: Yes. Or a blemish.

FUENTES: And that could be depending on his lover might have put those there and not (INAUDIBLE)

BANFIELD: Yes, it`s true. It`s true, you`re right. I want to read this from Valerie Smith. Valerie says, "Could Shanann have come home and

decided to sleep on that couch because she knew Chris was having an affair since he said he wanted to go through the separation and while she was

sleeping, perhaps the phone was lodged into the cushions and she quite possibly could have been killed while she was sleeping on that couch.

Kenya Johnson, that is -- I mean, as a -- as a defense attorney, even as a prosecutor, as the lawyer working on this case, don`t you have to navigate

through all of the possible theories?

JOHNSON: Absolutely. When we talk about reasonable doubt, that does not mean doubt beyond all reason. Of course, there`s some of these several

theories that the prosecution and defense attorneys are going to advance and the lack of any physical evidence because every crime leaves behind

some evidence. So the lack of that evidence can be a story told by the defense and the presence of that evidence can be a story told by the

prosecution. So, as we go through all the different theories, it`s something to consider what the theme of the trial will be, and we still

have to go back to motive, opportunity.

BANFIELD: OK. Next question and it`s coming up after the break but I`m going to leave it with you, so you can all sort of marinate over it.

People have said this case is crazy, but will Chris` defense attorneys claim that he`s crazy? More accurately, will they claim he`s insane? Can

they? That`s next.

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BANFIELD: Back with your Facebook questions. This one comes from Barb Bowman. Barb asked, "As disgusting as this crime is, is it possible that

he, Chris, can claim insanity, again, blaming Shanann for trying to live up to the perfect life she tried to portray, led him to do what he did?" Greg

Cason, PhD in Psychology, crazy is not the same as insane, is it?

CASON: No, insanity is a legal defense strategy, and you have to say that you have some kind of mental disorder, whether it`s temporary or permanent

and that you didn`t know the wrongfulness of the act at the time you did the act. So, that he -- there`s no evidence that I`ve seen at all even

leaking out in any way that he has some kind of permanent or even temporary mental disorder, and he does seem to have understood the wrongfulness of

the act. It seems more sociopathic.

Now, you know, there`s another kind of defense which is the irresistible impulse which you do see once in a while that they do know the wrongfulness

of the act, but they couldn`t help but do what they did, and that was used in that Twinkie defense against the killing of Harvey Milk, the San

Francisco Mayor many years ago. So, that kind of thing you can see, but I don`t see any way he can use it in this case.

BANFIELD: Kenya Johnson, I got 20 seconds left. Does that ship sail? Has it sailed already?

JOHNSON: Insanity and incompetence are defenses that the courts are used to seeing, and it`s going to require a lot of professional, psychological

testimony to establish that insanity or incompetence defense.

BANFIELD: Yes, I would say if you are standing on your front porch giving T.V. interviews, saying, help me find my wife and beautiful daughters, I

miss them so much, having just returned from dumping them into oil tanks to really conceal them and putting your wife in a shallow grave, that`s

knowing the nature and consequences of what you did is wrong. So, I think that ship has sailed. But I`m not a lawyer and you guys are, and I thank

you so much for your work. Also, Greg, thank you for your excellent analysis in this case. My thanks to Alexis Tereszcuk, as well, Javier

Ortiz (ph), and Tom Fuentes. Thanks, everyone for being here. Thanks for watching.

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