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Bizarre Scene at The White House with Rapper Kanye West; Trump Wondering If the Saudis Abducted Journalist; Astronauts Escape from Soyuz Rocket; Pressure Builds On Trump To Probe Khashoggi Case; Hurricane Michael, the Most Powerful Storm Ever to Hit the Florida Panhandle; Girls Face Mandatory Pregnancy Tests In School; Dow Down Around 500 Points; Should U.K. Taxpayers Foot The Security Bill? Aired 2-3p ET
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[15:00:00] HANNAH VAUGHN JONES, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Hello. Live from CNN London I'm Hannah Vaughn Jones. New details in the disappearance of
the Saudi journalist that sparked out cry. We are live in Istanbul and Washington.
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KANYE WEST, RAPPER: If he don't look good, we don't look good. This is our President.
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JONES: A bizarre scene at the White House. Rapper Kanye West goes on a ten-minute rant in the oval office. We will tell you all about it ahead.
A trip to the International Space Station ends in an emergency rocket landing. We have details of that story from Moscow.
It is the shocking disappearance that has questioned asked and fingers pointed from Istanbul to Riyadh to Washington. What happened to Jamal
Khashoggi when he walked in the consulate in Istanbul? In the last hour, a joint Turkish-Saudi team will be set up to investigate. And President
Trump talking a diplomatic tightrope. He opposes stopping arm sales, but quote there are other things we can do.
Also U.S. intel intercepts show Saudi plans to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him. Our Nic Robertson pieces together what is known
about Khashoggi's arrival at the consulate and hours afterwards?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Four fateful steps and he is gone. The last moments that Jamal Khashoggi was seen alive in
public. Entering the Saudi consulate at 1:14 p.m. on Tuesday. What happened over the next hour and three quarters remains at the center of the
industry core to the investigation.
At little over 3:00 p.m., consulate vehicles were seen leaving the consulate. Question is was Khashoggi in one of the vehicles and if so was
he alive? The vehicles pull away after 3:00 in the afternoon. Arriving at the counsel-general's house. The dark vehicle disappears. The CCTV
recordings leaked to Turkish media have investigators scratching their heads. How could Khashoggi just disappear?
The investigations are being hampered. Saudi officials promised access to the consulate hidden behind a high wire razor wall. Now the Saudis are not
cooperating. Piling on the pressure is a Turkish pro-government newspaper with published names of 15 Saudi men whom officials confirm to CNN are
persons of interest in Khashoggi's disappearance. A Saudi source familiar with four of the men confirms to CNN one of them is a former diplomat in
London and an intelligence officer. Another is a forensic expert.
CNN pieced together a timeline for how some of the men got to Istanbul. Some left Riyadh Monday on a private jet. Landing in Istanbul at 3:30 a.m.
hours before Khashoggi disappeared. Leaked CCTV recordings show the plane arriving at airport 3:28 a.m. minutes later, nine men from the aircraft
are picked up on cameras going through passport control. They head to a city hotel.
[14:05:00] At around 5:00 a.m. that morning, they check in to the hotel around the corner from the consulate. Four and a half hours later, they
all leave. Divided into small groups. Investigators believe they went to the consulate to wait for Khashoggi.
CNN has also tracked a second charter jet arriving from Riyadh. It lands in Istanbul at 4:00 p.m. and leaving one hour later stopping in Cairo en
route back to Saudi. Why is this important? Turkish officials say the other plane that left in the evening with the Saudis on it had checked
bags. We don't know if the other plane was checked and it left two hours after that van swept into the counsel's residence.
As it flew to Saudi, Khashoggi's fiancee was pacing up and down outside the consulate. More and more anxious. More than a week after Jamal Khashoggi
entered this building to finalize his marriage papers. The mystery of what happened to him continues to deepen.
JONES: Let's get the latest on the increasingly bizarre story. Nic Robertson is on the ground in Istanbul. Elise Labott is in Washington.
Pressure mounting on all sides to get to the truth and hold those responsibility to account Nic, first to you. What are we hear on the
ground? There is now some collaboration between the Turkish authorities and Saudis?
ROBERTSON: They agreed to form a working group. That's really come out in the last hour or so. What is still the fact is that Turkish investigators
are still not been able to get inside the consulate. We saw an agreement earlier in the week, more than two days ago, where the Saudis agreed to
allow the Turkish investigators in.
Then that deal fell apart. When you are trying to strategize the working group which appears to be to allow the forensic investigators into specific
areas inside the consulate. If that cannot be worked out, then we're at an impasse. Perhaps it indicates there is a willingness to try to find some
sort of compromise and deescalate the situation. Regardless of that, the huge and staggering question of what happened to Jamal Khashoggi remains.
It is hard to see at this point how that can be answered and the answers not be damning in one direction or another.
JONES: Elise Labott standing by for news in Washington. Elise, so much pressure for the United States to take a heavy-handed approach against the
Saudis. Let's first listen to what the President had to say about the search for Khashoggi.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT: I will tell you up front right now and I'll say it in front of senators. We're spending $110 billion purchasing
military equipment and other things. If we don't sell it to them, they'll say thank you very much. We'll buy from Russia or thank you, we'll buy
from China. That doesn't help us. Not when it comes to jobs and our companies losing out on that work. There are other things we can do.
Let's find out what the problem is first. OK?
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JONES: So, Elise, the President making reference of pressure from senators to clamp down economic trade and arms wise on the Saudis. Is that enough
to satisfy them?
ELISE LABOTT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I don't think it will be enough to safe anyone. Essentially the President saying the U.S. needs to find out what
happened. Even if there is evidence that the Saudis are involved, he doesn't feel he can put the economic pressures which are called for by
lawmakers to impose the Magnitsky act because of the possible Russia attempted assassinations.
He is saying he will not be able to do. That I don't think that will be -- do that. I don't think that will be enough for anybody. Obviously there
needs to be an investigation. The U.S. told Saudis they need to account for what happened to Jamal. It has been five or six days with no answers.
You gradually have what is in the face of mounting evidence. Even the President last night in an interview said it looks more and more like the
Saudis are involve involved. If the President is saying yes, they are involved, but what do you want me to do?
[14:10:00] I have to think about jobs. That is not enough for anybody in Congress. It is not enough for Americans who, you know, obviously jobs and
the U.S. economy is extremely important. The relationship with Saudi Arabia is extremely important but the U.S. has stood up for human rights
and values and in the face of potential, we have to say potential murder of a journalist who is not a United States citizen, but lives in the United
States. The President has to be held accountable for some action.
JONES: OK. Nic, back to you. With the diplomatic maneuverings, there was an extraordinary phone call with Crown Prince Salman and Jared Kushner, the
President's son-in-law. What do we know with that conversation?
ROBERTSON: Sure. What Jared Kushner has done is become a conversationalist with the crown prince. His father is king and Jared
Kushner's father-in-law is the President. They both have a world view they share and getting along well. So, Salman reaching out to Jared Kushner was
his easy option and grab bag of phone calls. Call the guy you know. Not the Secretary of State. Not the national security adviser and not the
John Bolton, the national security adviser, we understand did get on the call. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo did make his own call to Mohammed Bin
Salman. He made it clear there is no going around normal protocols of what you do. You know there is an expectation on the U.S. side that Saudi
Arabia needs to help and be involved and allow a thorough investigation. You know, it seems that Salman was pro-active reaching out to U.S.
partners. It seems if he thought he was able to circumvent anger coming from the White House or potential diplomatic potential problems down the
line, that doesn't seem to have happened here, Hannah.
JONES: Thank you, Nic. Elise, I know you got your reporting on the plots to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia.
LABOTT: The U.S. intelligence has intercepts. We are not sure if they came from the United States or from a third country. Intercepts of Saudi
officials talking about efforts to try to lure him back to Saudi Arabia and detain him. Did that mean detain him and question him or detain him and
kill him? Nobody knows. The timing is unclear.
He did have some calls from Saudi officials over the last year when he started criticizing the crown prince to come back to Saudi Arabia and take
a job with the government and try to bring him back to the fold. We don't know and we don't think it is related to this plot that the U.S. has heard
them talking about. Again, you have these intercepts. You don't know what they mean sometimes. When something like this happens, then it jogs your
memory and you have a fuller picture. It is murky.
Clearly there was an effort under way to try to lure him back to Saudi Arabia and the suspicion is that possibly when he wasn't willing to go back
to Saudi Arabia because he was fearing for his safety, that the consulate - - trying to lure him to the consulate was a back-up plan. We are only here what the Turks are saying. U.S. has no hard evidence if Jamal is dead or
JONES: The plot thickens. Nic Robertson and Elise Labott, thank you.
An unusual scene at the White House a short time ago. Donald Trump keeping quiet. He was quiet because rap artist Kanye West was talking. West gave
a long monologue why he supports Trump and the problems he sees in the world today. West went on and on stringing his opinions on a wide range of
topics. Listen to a small portion of it.
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[14:15:00] WEST: If he don't look good, we don't look good. This is our President. He has to be the freshest, the flyest. We have to make our
core. We have to bring jobs to America. Our best export is entertainment ideas. When we make everything in China and not America, we're cheating on
our country. We are putting people in position to do illegal things to end up in a cheap factory. The prison system.
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JONES: Let's bring in CNN White House Correspondent, Sarah Westwood. Sarah, the President fighting battles on a daily basis. He chose the
meeting with Kanye West. The two knocked their heads together. What did they come up with?
SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, this was, Hannah, a meeting billed as criminal justice reform. Kanye West and President Trump
touched on topics from North Korea to how liberals treated President Trump. He set a unifying goal of the left and right should be to make the
President look good no matter what. President Trump has been proud of the fact that Kanye West supports him. In the past, he touted that Kanye is a
He hopes having Kanye West support help with the African-American support where Donald Trump has struggled. This is an interesting situation to have
the public spectacle for lack of a better word. There is aftermath of the hurricane and the issues with the missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi and
the White House having public events over bill signings and the one that will attract the most attention is the lunch with Kanye West over criminal
justice reform. The White House said it is not interested pursuing until after the midterms next month. Hannah.
JONES: We'll leave it there. Any more questions and I fear you will have to say something you don't want.
One more word. A new CNN poll released an hour ago finds Mr. Trump's approval rating on the rise. 41 percent have a favorable view of the
President. His disapproval rating is down to 54 percent. The lowest since April of 2017.
Many people in the southeast in the U.S. are simply stunned by the devastation left by Hurricane Michael. The most powerful storm ever to hit
the Florida Panhandle. Coming ashore with winds of 250 kilometers per hour. It leveled blocks in Mexico Beach where it made landfall. Nearly
half a million people without electricity in three states. We know at least two people have lost their lives. Let's get the latest from Dianne
Gallagher from Panama City in Florida. Dianne, Michael is still going strong. No sign of the disaster over for now. Talk us through the scale
of the damage done where you are located.
DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So, you are right. This is a quick storm that came through here. It was heavy. It was intense. It is still
going. In fact, some of the states, the Carolinas hit last month, are experiencing winds and rain from Michael right now. If you look, this
gives you an idea of what we see on the ground in Panama City.
We have choppers overhead right now. We have seen power trucks driving through which is perhaps the most welcome sight. These buildings have just
been torn and ripped and tangled to shreds by the winds of Hurricane Michael. Pretty much on every block here. Homes, churches, schools,
businesses. It seems nothing is left untouched. Look, that's just Panama City.
As we go further along the coast, Mexico Beach where Hurricane Michael made landfall is utter devastation. It was completely obliterated. You can
look at the aerial pictures from there and easy to point out where the house is and where the damage is because it is so destroyed. It is really
hard to look at these and figure out how people try to put their lives back together.
A lot of people, thousands of them, chose to ride the storms out in their homes. Thinking they could do so. There is still a lot we do not know
here, Hannah. They are still trying to get into areas like Mexico Beach and Port St. Joe. We don't have the full picture of how severe some of
the damage could be. Including human loss of life. [00:20:00]
[14:20:00] We don't know yet. We only have the two confirmed deaths at this point. This isn't something that will take a day or two or a couple
weeks or months to repair. This really could be generational here. Marco Rubio, the senator from Florida, mentioned on "New Day" on CNN that after
Hurricane Andrew, another large powerful storm, it really changed the fabric of southern Florida after it hit because so many people moved away
and never reopened their businesses.
It was too difficult. People here in the panhandle worry that may be the same thing due to the level of devastation here. Right now, people on the
ground are dealing with the immediacy. People are looking at the big picture. They are worried about the future of the panhandle of Florida.
JONES: Dianne, while you were talking, we were showing the aerial pictures overhead. Only two people that we know have lost their lives. Surely that
number will presumably rise given the scale of the devastation that we can see. Dianne, thank you for reporting.
Still to come on the program tonight, an astronaut and cosmonaut are alive after making an emergency landing in a capsule. Find out why their mission
was suddenly cut short.
Also, Harvey Weinstein has one less criminal sex charge to worry about. We will have more on Weinstein's New York case and where it stands right now.
JONES: To New York now and partial legal victory for disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein. A judge dismissed one count of the criminal sexual
misconduct. Weinstein previously pleaded not guilty in New York to six sex crimes. Including two counts of rape. Dozens of women have accused
Weinstein of sexual misconduct. He remains free on bail. We have Jean Casarez live from New York. Jean, one count dismissed. Where does this
leave the overall case against Weinstein?
JEAN CESAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The case continues. Now there are five counts. I was in court this morning. Harvey Weinstein, the defendant, was
also in court. This is really highly unusual because this case was not only charged with a complaint but went to a grand jury. It is Lucia Evans.
The named accuse err involved in the count here. Criminal sexual act in the first degree. She testified, we understand, in court. We heard today
before the grand jury.
[14:25:00] The prosecutor did not say why they were agreeing with and asking the judge to dismiss this count. Said there was a letter -- they
said there was a letter sent to the defense and it was sealed and now it was unsealed. CNN received the letter and it was unsealed. We learn more
about Lucia Evans. According to the letter, the NYPD detective who interviewed this woman got a call from another woman, a witness, who said
she was with Evans in 2004 and had met Harvey Weinstein.
She was with her that night. She went on to say that Evans told her that any sexual activity she had done with Harvey Weinstein was consensual.
According to the letter, when the New York police detective spoke to this witness to give another side to Lucia Evans story. Allegedly the detective
told her going forward less is more. There is no obligation for you to cooperate in this case.
This other woman who we don't know who it is, witness, ultimately called the prosecution's office and said I have something to tell you. This was
consensual. It wasn't a sexual assault. The prosecution then investigated it and they agreed that the count should be dismissed. Listen to Benjamin
Brafman speak outside of court after the judge dismissed that count.
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BENJAMIN BRAFMAN, LAWYER: This is a very positive development. I have said from the start that it is sexual assault is a serious crime, but
falsely accusing someone of sexual assault is also a very serious crime. I think what will be interesting in the next couple of weeks is to see
whether the district attorney's office has interest in prosecuting Lucia Evans as you see from the documents released has clearly committed perjury.
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CESAREZ: Prosecutors are saying the case is strong. The defense says this opens a can of worms and other allegations not truthful. They are asking
for the entire indictment to be dismissed.
JONES: Jean Cesarez, thank you.
U.S. stocks are down today after Wednesday's plunge. Let's look at the Dow at the moment. At this hour, the Dow is down 290 points. U.S. President
Donald Trump is putting some of the blame the Wednesday selloff squarely on the federal reserve.
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TRUMP: I think the fed is making a mistake. They're so tight. I think the fed has gone crazy.
The fed is going wild. I mean, I don't know what their problem is. They're raising interest rates. It's ridiculous.
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JONES: Now to other news.
Emergency landing and dramatic rescue. That is what happened to a U.S. astronaut and Russian cosmonaut on Thursday. Both are alive and we
understand in good condition. They plummeted back to earth in a capsule after their Soyuz rocket experienced a booster failure after takeoff.
Frederik Pleitgen has the story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Liftoff.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It seemed like a routine launch. A Soyuz rocket blasting off en route to the
international space station. On board Russian cosmonaut Alexei Ovchinin and American NASA astronaut Nick Hague.
A little under three minutes into the flight, a major problem. An issue with the main booster rocket. The commander calm and collected. Decides
to abort the mission. The capsule went into what's called a ballistic dissent. Plunging at a steeper angle. It touched down and crew unscathed.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The crew was cold blooded and professional. In general, we can speak highly of the actions of the crew. I heard an
exchange with the operators who were professional about this and all together, the joint trainings of the members of the crew allows for this
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PLEITGEN: After this, the international space station remains under staffed. Only three astronauts on board. Russia is currently the only
country ferrying crew members to the ISS.
[14:30:00] Despite turmoil with Washington and Moscow, the two countries have maintained tight interaction in space travel. Vowing transparency
into the incident. I think the American side will be understanding about this and of course it is not appropriate to hide any reasons behind this
situation. Russia's deputy prime minister says.
Currently it is just Russia that provides transportation of the crew to the ISS and, of course, they must know everything and we will give them all
information about the reasons behind the incident. The veteran cosmonaut has spent half a year in space in a re previous mission. For American Nick
Hague, it was the first flight in orbit. The mission did not go according to plan, hours after the aborted launch, it is outweighed by the sense of
relief that the two men are alive and well. Frederik Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.
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JONES: Remarkable. Still to come, a reporter goes missing in the Saudi consulate. If the kingdom is behind the disappearance, what can the rest
of the world do?
[14:30:48] JONES: President Trump to investigate what happened to the missing Saudi journalist, Jamal Khashoggi. A bipartisan group of senators
in the U.S. sent the president a letter on Wednesday demanding an investigation. The move could lead to U.S. sanctions against Saudi Arabia.
Now, U.S. officials says Washington has intercepts of Saudi officials discussing their plans for Khashoggi. One senator told CNN Christiane
Amanpour only two things could have happened to Khashoggi. Take a listen.
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SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D), NEW JERSEY: I can't speak to the intelligence itself. But I can characterize it. It is incredibly alarming. I think
the Saudis have a lot of answering to do. And my own view is either Mr. Khashoggi has been detained and maybe some form of rendition or he has been
In either event, we need to get to the bottom of how either his rendition, disappearance, and/or murder took place. And that's why we invoke for the
first time as the chairman and the ranking member. Myself as the ranking member, invoke for the first time the provisions of global Magnitsky that
allows to require the president to conduct an investigation and come back to the Congress with an answer.
And secondly, if that answer leads to anyone in the Saudi government or anyone else associated with the Saudi government as being the perpetrators
then there are consequences for that and we expect this to be taken extremely seriously.
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JONES: Senator Menendez speaking to our Christiane Amanpour earlier on.
Now, Khashoggi, Jamal Khashoggi went missing over a week ago. Turkish officials privately believe that he was killed at his country's consulate
The -- President Trump recently weighed in, of course, on the diplomatic crisis. He said that it would be a very sad thing if Saudi Crown Prince
Mohammed bin Salman had ordered the operation.
Just for our viewers, here's a look at just who the young leader is. This report by our Becky Anderson.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want to congratulate you on everything. Thank you very much.
[14:35:00] BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Mohammad bin Salman's rise to power in Saudi Arabia has been nothing short of meteoric. Pushing
major change in the kingdom and making a name for himself on the world stage, all in his first year as crown prince.
He spearheaded package of reforms dubbed Saudi vision 2030. But into win the economy of its dependents on oil while opening up society. Reforms
like lifting the ban on women driving and allowing them to support stadiums, the Reopening of cinemas and calls for return to more moderate
The late 2017, the young prince, launched a major crackdown on what he said was widespread corruption in the country. Top business men, government
officials and even Saudi royals arrested overnight. Accused of stealing billions of dollars and held at luxury hotel turned makeshift prison.
Most of the accused were eventually released, but the swift move stunned global investors. The king to take advantage of the kingdom's economic
And only weeks away from women being allowed to drive, a number of leading women's rights activists were arrested in a coordinated campaign, accused
of having ties with foreign embassies.
And the crown prince's record on the foreign policy front has been mixed. Fueled by his desire to push back against regional rival Iran. He's led
the war in Yemen against Houthi rebels, who Saudi considers terrorists.
Worsening what the U.N. says is the world's worst humanitarian crisis. Riyadh was also accused of forcing Lebanon's prime minister, a close Saudi
ally to resign from his post during a trip to the kingdom in an effort to limit the Shia group, Hezbollah's influence in Lebanon.
But the plan backfired when Saad Hariri rescinded his resignation after returning to Beirut. And then there's a feud with Qatar, now in its second
year. Well, it has succeeded and isolating a regional rival, the embargo has divided Arab Gulf States.
JONES: Becky Anderson with that report looking into who is Mohammad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. He, of course, a crucial player
in this ongoing mystery of the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi. That is out top story and we'll bring you any updates on that through the hours we
We turn to other news now though. And the president of Tanzania says he is pursuing a war on teen pregnancy. But it's looking more like a war on
education for women. That's because authorities are cracking down by making sure that no pregnant girls are allowed in public schools.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 800 girls at this Tanzanian school take a mandatory test twice a year. But unlike most exams, this one happens here
in the dormitory bathrooms. That's because it's a pregnancy test and failure for them is not an option.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Being pregnant means the end of everything. In high school, when you get pregnant, you're sent off. It feels like all your
dreams are shattered now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pregnancy could shatter Kareem's (ph) dreams because she'd be forbidden from returning to Arusha Secondary School.
Last year, Tanzania's president declared support for a ban on expectant mothers from public schools. Citing authority based on a vaguely worded
law from the 1960s.
JOHN MAGUFULI, PRESIDENT OF TANZANIA (through translator): No pregnant girl will go back to school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The president claims this directive will curb teen pregnancy. But in a country where quarter of girls give birth before 20,
the policy denies education to thousands.
Tanzania has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rate on earth. But this East African country also has high rates of both child marriage and sexual
violence, which means some girls are refused schooling for pregnancies they never wanted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are punishing them without even considering. Those who have gotten these pregnant out of their consent.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At least 8,000 girls have dropped out due to pregnancy each year between 2003 and 2011, according to the Center
For young mothers like Eli Faraha (ph) who wish to remain anonymous, the effects are devastating. Teachers conducted a compulsory test when she was
three months along. And after her pregnancy was revealed school officials calls her family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): When they told my dad, he said let her die with the pregnancy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eli Faraha was expelled immediately. She and her 2- year-old son live at the center for vulnerable women. She is training to be a tailor after her childhood dreams were dashed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I would love to go back to school. I've always wanted to be a soldier. It is in my blood. Since my
childhood, I've loved it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many want to see girls like Eli Faraha have the option to return. But most agree it's better to not get pregnant at all.
And that's why schools are cracking down rather than providing education on how to prevent pregnancy, most use mandatory tests to induce the fear of
[14:40:17] JONES: Still to come on the program tonight, the U.K. prepares for its second royal wedding of the year. This time though it's the ninth
in line to the throne. So, who should pay the cost of such a lavish affair? We'll be discussing that next.
JONES: Quick check on the markets for you. U.S. stocks are down again today after Wednesday's big plunge of some 800 points. Let's have a look
at the Board at the moment. See how things are looking.
You can see the Dow down more than 500 points at the moment. That's the biggest low for the day, at least. But as we said yesterday was far worse.
We'll keep an eye on this and see how things pans out over the next couple of hours.
In the meantime, let's turn to some other news. Prince William has issued a rallying call to protect endangered wildlife. Speaking of his fear that
elephants, rhino, and tigers could be extinct by the time his children are adults.
In a passionate speech at the conference here in London, the Duke of Cambridge said more must be done to stamp out the illegal wildlife trade.
Warnings that it funds criminal networks and threatens the livelihoods of impoverished communities.
He continue his plea saying, we're not yet seeing enough criminal convictions for wildlife offenses and also often the punishments are far
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PRINCE WILLIAM, DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE: It is heartbreaking to think that by the time my children, George, Charlotte and Louis are in their 20s,
elephants, rhinos, and tigers might well be extinct in the wild.
I for one, I'm not willing to look my children in the eye and say that we were the generation that let this happen on our watch.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JONES: Well, that's one royal busy at work staying there with the British royal family and we will remember, of course, the pomp, the fanfare, the
excitements surrounding the royal wedding of Prince Harry, William's brother, of course, and his bride, Meghan Markle in May of this year.
But our viewers outside of the U.K. may not be aware there's actually another royal wedding taking place in Windsor, same venue, tomorrow.
Princess Eugenie will marry her fiance in the same chapel as Harry and Megan. And will take a very similar carriage procession with her new
It's thought security will come at a significant cost born by police and of course by extension, the British taxpayer. So, who is Princess Eugenie and
where does she sit in the line of succession? Well, let's give you a brief rundown.
She is the daughter of Prince Andrew. The queen's second son. And as her fourth grandchild, she's currently ninth in line to the throne. The birth
of Prince William's children further down the line making her a minor royal, I could say, certainly in the eyes of some.
So should British taxpayers be footing the extra-large security bill for her wedding? Let's bring in royal commentator, Richard Fitzwilliams. And
Dani Beckett, vice chair of Republic. A group which advocates for the replacements of the British monarchy. Welcome to you both.
[14:45:07] Dani, to you first. It's her big day. Every bride has to work within a budget. Hers happens to be larger than most. Why should she pay
DANI BECKETT, VICE CHAIRMAN, REPUBLIC: I think every bride and every groom have to work within a budget, but often -- more often than not that's
something that budget themselves or maybe getting a bit financial support from their family.
The difference here is that for this bride, it's a private family event dressed up as public occasion. And because of that, the royals are
expecting the taxpayers to fund the security.
JONES: Lots of people, Richard, are saying that there's some 800 guests that are attending this wedding tomorrow. That's more than Harry and
Meghan had. Is this too much?
RICHARD FITZWILLIAMS, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I don't think it's too much. I would emphasize that the wedding is being paid for privately. The
taxpayer, in my opinion, is just not unreasonable to ask the taxpayer, to pay for the security of the first family. I'm talking about, for example,
the monarch, the sons and daughters of the monarch and their grandchildren. That does seem to be reasonable.
If you look at the monarchy costs, 69 persons excluding security and that's a year. That seems to me absolutely marvelous value.
JONES: I'm sure you're going to have an opinion on this. Because a lot of people I know will argue that 69 P happy to pay it. But perhaps that 69
people from every single taxpayer in the U.K. would be better spent for the health system, for example?
BECKETT: Yes. So it actually comes out as a roughly 350 million every year. So I think the point you made is, yes, that's needing security. A
hundred million of that is the security that the taxpayer have to pick up before royal basically visits a local town.
JONES: But we have to say, we also showed Prince William there earlier. All of the royals, whether you consider them to have normal jobs or not,
they all do play their parts. And there's always the argument of the amount of tourism and the soft power role that they play as well in terms
of boosting Britain abroad. Is it not value for money then?
BECKETT: So it's quite a common myth that perpetuated that the royal family a great tourism income generator for U.K. But actually if you would
look at the top 20 list of places that international tourist visit in the U.K., the Royal Palace don't even make the top 20.
JONES: Well, Windsor has a boost this year.
FITZWILLIAMS: So Windsor, indeed. But the point also that I would emphasize Republic, of course, puts the negative side on this. If you
actually look at what the monarchy produces, grand finance to the fascinating study, they reckoned that in 2017, the monarchy brought in --
you'll thinking of tourism, you'll thinking of fashion, you'll thinking of the brand Britannia and you mentioned so far and we saw William there with
the superb speech.
They put at value 1.8 billion. Piers Morgan quoted that recently. And I think it's the idea that the monarchy is so valuable if you look at what it
does for charity, for example, if you look at monarchy -- royals go abroad for British business. They're asked to. The host welcome them.
JONES: Lots of our international viewers, they won't know that much about Princess Eugenie or her sister Princess Beatrice. What do they do?
FITZWILLIAMS: What they do is -- don't do official royal engagements. But what they do-do is they add, you could say to the cache the monarchy has
because she has got certain patron addition. I think there's also no question that they'll have a very joyous and colorful show tomorrow.
I think it interests people generally. Those photographs ended up every single newspaper in the world. It would be nothing like Harry and Megan.
And big conductions of Sussex. In fact, just going to the commonwealth next week. Look at the good they'll do there. Australia and New Zealand
cannot wait to see them.
JONES: Is there an argument that yes have a big wedding that's potentially going to be televised, you're going to have a lot of dignitaries and royals
that of course your relatives alongside you. But it doesn't have to be that big. It could be more like perhaps her cousins or Philip's or
Philip's brother -- Princess --
BECKETT: Absolutely. And there's a way of doing this that is more in step with the national feeling at the moment. I know you referenced the Brand
JONES: And I just want to check, you're upset about the amount of money spent, not the fact that we're interested at all.
BECKETT: No, people want to watch a wedding, watch a wedding.
BECKETT: I am the first to have a look on Facebook on a Monday morning and if someone's had a great wedding, they'll be wonderful. But we shouldn't
have to pay for it. And the reason why they're doing this quietly, and at the moment, everyone else is very much still living in austerity. But I'm
not sure people will feel that joyous about when we could spend that money on teachers and nurses and police officers.
JONES: But the point that Richard was making earlier though is that this wedding is actually being privately paid for except for the securities. Is
FITZWILLIAMS: Absolutely so.
JONES: And the queen is going to be there then --
FITZWILLIAMS: You must have security. You have security for every march. You have security for very protest. You he security for football matches.
You have security in so many things. But what you will have also tomorrow, you have this sort of royal wedding and also the Duke and Duchess of
[14:50:07] You have iconic images that go around the world. We have the world's most high profile monarchy. It's something that's envied
throughout the world. Our ceremonial, the link with the commonwealth which is so important. All these things in a politically unstable period of
Brexit are invaluable.
JONES: Things you're getting your way tomorrow and it is going to have all the pomp. We'll let Dani have the last word on this one.
BECKETT: I think they should absolutely be paying for it themselves. And you've spoken about how it's paid for privately by the royal family who
often did the tune of 350 million pounds a year by the taxpayer. I think they probably got enough spare cash lying over to pay for the security too.
JONES: Or maybe they're watching, maybe they'll have a change of heart overnight. Who knows? My thanks to both of you. Dani Beckett and Richard
Fitzwilliams, thank you very much indeed.
Speaking of British taxpayer money, as we just have been, we now know how much Donald Trump's visit to the U.K. cost. The police here. It was --
well, it was quite a lot, 18 million pounds. That's nearly $24 million. The four-day visit saw large protests.
You remember, of course, throughout London, through the country even. It costs about 10 times more than President Obama's last trip to the U.K.
while he was in office in 2016. That totaled out at just over $2 million.
Now, some news just coming in to us here at CNN. Sources are telling CNN that U.S. officials belie they are on the verge of securing the release of
the North Carolina pastor Andrew Brunson. He's crucial, because he's currently being detained by Turkish government. Sources did caution that
officials are counting on Turkey to follow through on their end of the agreement which now appears to be in place.
So with all of the toings and froings over the whereabouts and the well- being of Jamal Khashoggi, this pastor, this American pastor being detained in Turkey is very, very key development potentially if he is indeed release
back to the U.S. something that President Trump has wanted for a long time indeed.
We're going to keep you across the story and all the rest of the news as well after this break.
JONES: You might not think that an organization like NASA would have its own artist and residence, but you'd be wrong. Laurie Anderson was the
first between 2003, 2005 and she's behind a lunar landing installation at Denmark's major contemporary art gallery.
It is a virtual reality experience that allows viewers to explore the surface of the moon, but not just any moon.
LAURIE ANDERSON, ARTIST: I want to walk into a work of art and get lost in it. Every artist from the beginning of time has wanted you to come into
that world. We offer you that in a way that is unique.
People are attracted to the moon because it presents itself in so many mysteriously different ways. I'm somebody who wants to use my body and
works of art to take me out of this place, this body I love.
The virtual reality can do this. This piece is called "To the Moon."
[14:55:01] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So now, you're on your way to the moon.
ANDERSON: But as soon as you land on the moon, you start seeing all the constellations. We use the constellations of more or less of drawings of
things we've lost. So we had things in nature with like a constellation of a polar bear. And as you look at that polar bear, it dissolves. So it's
almost like a picture that becomes an idea that blows away when you see it.
Then you also see democracy. And if you look at it, you realize all of these things. But we think of it so stable or so fragile and can be lost.
It's not narrative anymore. It's not linear. It's not contained in a rectangle that you're looking at.
The moon is a dream. And so I wanted to push it more in that direction. You can fly into a graphic representation of a dinosaur made from his own
Diamonds are falling from the sky a little nod to twinkle, twinkle little star. Diamonds are -- and flags are also -- these -- that was a nod to the
colonization of -- by everybody. So here's a Russian flag. Here is an American flag and they're being planted around the U.S. You ride this
So you're flying around in this free world and this feel like accommodation of hallucinations and reality. And so it ends up being this very
mysteriously and very much like the moon itself.
A work like this for me is just a way to encourage people to go, wow, what is that? To think about it. Not just the world as we see it, but the
beauty of the information that we can't see. The things that we can't see.
JONES: We want to update you again with how the markets are looking. U.S. stocks are down again after that big falloff yesterday. We're talking
about plunge of some 800 points. You can see what the Board is looking like at the moment for the Dow Jones Industrial average.
So 500 points or so off. Runs two percent down. Tech stocks are being hit the hardest. Of course, investors are fearing how these stocks are going
to fare with interest rates on the rise. The Fed, of course, Federal Reserve is rising those --raising those rates to prevent runaway inflation.
So investors on very touchy ground at the moment down 530 points at the moment. It hit a new low earlier on today.
And that's all we've got time for. Thanks so much for watching tonight. Stay with us. So plenty more on the market. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS NEWS"
is up next.
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