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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN HOST: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. Welcome to "News Stream." Investigation results, Turkey says a detailed probe as to

what happened to missing journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, will likely be concluded soon.

Over there (ph), prisons in Myanmar, Rohingya Muslims still living in Rakhine State warned refugees who spread violence not to come back. A

special CNN report from the area.

And the 600-meter long plan to clean up our oceans, we'll be hearing from an environmentalist whose project to get rid of plastic has now began.

And we begin in Istanbul where Turkey's Justice Minister says the investigation into a missing Saudi journalist will soon be wrapping up. It

comes as grid new (ph) details emerge in the disappearance and the apparent murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

According to Turkish media, an audio recording suggests the journalist was tortured and then killed soon after entering the Saudi consulate in

Istanbul. Meanwhile, the U.S. Secretary of State will report to President Donald Trump in the coming hours on his recent meeting with both the Saudi

and Turkish officials. The source tells CNN that Mike Pompeo warned the Saudi crown prince that he must, quote, "own the situation and that every

effect is going to get out."

While we're covering the story from all angles, CNN's John Defterios who is life in Abu Dhabi, Nick Paton Walsh who is standing by in London, but we

begin with chief international correspondent, Clarissa Ward, who joins us from the Turkish capital.

I want to start, Clarissa, with this meeting between Mike Pompeo and Donald Trump is supposed to happen a couple of hours from now. Now, Pompeo has

met both the Saudis and the Turks. What, to your understanding, is he expected to tell the president.

CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's interesting, Andrew, because there's been a lot of criticism from many

different quarters being leveled not just the Secretary of State Mike Pompeo but at his handling of the trip that he made to Saudi Arabia,

particularly those images of him apparently having a convivial meeting with Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince, who really has this cloud looming

over him. A lot of people wanted to see the U.S. take a tougher stance.

But then CNN was learning from a source recently that privately actually Pompeo allegedly did take a tougher stance that he did kind of read the

riot act as it were to the crown prince saying that the investigation needed to happen, it needed to happen now, there needed to be answers. And

presumably, Pompeo will relay that essentially to President Trump.

The question that everyone is really waiting to see is will Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, go ahead and attend this conference in Saudi

Arabia, the so-called Davos of the Desert. That's what a lot of Americans would like to know. I think they would like to see America taking a

tougher stance potentially by boycotting this. But the president, so far, has been very indulgent of the Saudi Arabian narrative.

Meanwhile, we are still waiting to hear more from Saudi Arabia as to what exactly their side of the story is. As Pompeo said himself, "I don't want

to discuss the facts right now and nor did they either."

STEVENS: Meanwhile, the Turks are certainly leaking a lot of their own narrative on what's been happening. Let's talk about the audio tape that

has emerged, which reportedly -- so you hear the last few minutes of Jamal Khashoggi's life in effect. Just tell us what do we know about that audio

and its veracity?

WARD: Well, CNN has been extremely cautious about what we report about this audio tape, but what we're seeing according to Turkish media is

essentially an audio tape that describes very gruesome and grisly details about the last minutes of Jamal Khashoggi's life.

Now, we have already reported from one source that allegedly there was an attempt to tranquilize Khashoggi that somehow that went wrong, that he was

murdered, and that he was then dismembered, his body being cut off into small pieces. What we still don't know, of course, is where the body is,

did they take it back to Saudi Arabia with them, did they try to dispose of it in Istanbul. The search went on last night in the consul general's

residence. There had earlier been a search with Turkish investigators looking at the consulate, but last night was the first time they got into

the actual residence.

[08:05:06] And so, according to the Turkish Justice Minister, as you mentioned earlier, this investigation should be wrapping up soon, at least

the Turkish side of it, and presumably then we'll start to get a better picture of the exact timeline that they have put together. Andrew?

STEVENS: Clarissa Ward in Ankara, thank you very much. Now, as we've been reporting, the events unfolding in Turkey are having a big impact on a key

investment conference in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, next week. We just heard Clarissa talking about that.

Big names in business have been dropping like flies; the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, Jamie Dimon; Ford executive chairman, Bill Ford; the CEO of HSBC,

John Flint, to name just a few of the key executives who have now pulled out of what's known as the Davos of the Desert.

Now, we've learned that the U.S. Treasure Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, will make his decision in the coming hours on whether he is going to be

attending or not. Meanwhile, both the Dutch Finance Minister and the French Minister for the Economy and Finance have also canceled their

attendance.

Now, CNN Business Emerging Market Editor, John Defterios, joins us from Abu Dhabi with a bit more on this. John, the Davos of the Desert, the Saudis

do seem determined to hold this event at all cost, despite this very high profile fallout with executives basically turning their back on the whole

event. Why are the Saudis keen to keep it going?

JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN BUSINESS EMERGING MARKET EDITOR: Andrew, I think to be blunt, it's kind of a signal of defiance that this crown prince can stand

up to the west and still have the optics back at home. Plenty of westerners still showing up and he is going to hold the event despite all

the criticisms.

About 20 plus A-listers should be pulling out. Everybody you would see normally in the Davos community at the World Economic Forum decided to stay

away. The French and the Dutch finance ministers making their decision albeit late to the game.

And as you suggest, Steve Mnuchin, does he stay or not? His going would give full force support optically from the Trump administration, but we

already know where Donald Trump stands on this. He talked about the $450 billion of contracts over 10 years from Saudi Arabia while Mike Pompeo, the

Secretary of State, plays the tough guy behind the scenes with the crown prince.

Other names that have not decided whether to go are not, Siemens -- EDF, the big electric company out of France also tells us they're all involved

in infrastructure. And Andrew, you recall when President Trump came into office, he's been talking about a trillion dollar infrastructure funds to

help renew America. That's the size of the funds in Saudi Arabia with only the tenth of the population of the United States. So, that's obviously why

western companies want to be engaged in the country. But now, it comes with a lot more political risk. Let's take a look.

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DEFTERIOS: The 33-year-old son of the king seized power last year to become crown prince. He's offered western companies a volatile mix ever

since. A high profile 2030 economic reform plan with cutting edge mega cities coupled with heavy handed moves to consolidate his grip on power.

And now, the apparent death of Saudi journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, a frequent critic of his leadership.

GARY GRAPPO, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR: The game changer has been on the Saudi side that they act in this way against a perceived opponent. And I

think U.S. business and indeed all international businesses are going to have to take that into their calculation.

DEFTERIOS: So, why has western business remains so engaged in the kingdom? Primarily because Saudi Arabia remains the number one oil exporter in the

world who just fueled an infrastructure boom well before the current crown prince came on the scene.

RICHARD THOMPSON, MEED, EDITORIAL DIRECTOR: So, you have that combination of oil income and the leadership committing to delivering key projects and

investments the other markets around the world don't have, and that's why potentially Saudi Arabia is one of the most attractive markets anywhere.

DEFTERIOS: Research compiled by me captures the scale, $1.4 trillion of major projects. A third of which are already under construction in a

population just a tenth of the size of the United States.

Last year, I toured the Haramain Train Station, part of a $14 billion rail network that will work the port city of Jeddah to the holy sites of Makkah

and Medinah.

MOHAMMED FIDA, DIRECTOR GENERAL, HARAMAIN HIGH SPEED TRAIN: This is only the start. We will go more and more, bigger and bigger, and better.

DEFTERIOS: The oil price collapse between 2014 and 2016 slowed down master plans at Haramain and scores of other projects. But new state of the art

buildings, metros, and economic sites can be found everywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His Royal Highness, Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

DEFTERIOS: The young crown prince marched in and out of the layer of complexity with his 2030 plan, which is dependent on western know how and

political predictability, which seems to be lacking now.

[08:10:08] GRAPPO: The U.S. businesses are going to think long and hard about how they're going to continue their relationships with Saudi Arabia

when this particular government takes actions of this nature.

DEFTERIOS: There's a big bounty in the kingdom for international business, the great risk now as well.

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STEVENS: And it's not just obviously internal investment either. John, you've been covering the stories of the massive investments with Saudi

Sovereign Wealth Funds have been making around the world, particularly in tech companies. But for the moment, we'll leave it there. John Defterios

in Abu Dhabi, thanks so much for joining us.

Now, the Washington Post has published Jamal Khashoggi's final column. It was written shortly before the journalist went missing. It focuses on the

lack of free expression in the Arab world and the value of a free press.

Khashoggi writes, quote, "The Arab world needs a modern version of the old trends national media so citizens can be informed about global offense.

More important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty, mismanagement, and poor education. Through the creation of

an independent international forum isolated from the influence of national governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab

world would be able to address the structural problems that societies face."

Let's turn now to CNN's Nick Paton Walsh. He joins us live from London. Nick has been writing op-ed pieces about this whole story, this convoluted

and twisted tale, Nick. And you make a point that there has been no honest broker in this entire investigation. Every side seems to have an agenda.

So, I guess the question to you is would we ever learn the truth?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Entirely possible that we won't really. And when you hear someone like Mike Pompeo,

America's chief diplomat say, "I don't want to talk about the facts," when he is just being speaking with a man who is potentially with one version of

events certainly an accomplice or an accessory to the crime of murder here, that is deeply chilling.

I mean all three sides here really you could accuse of being involved in some kind of cover up. The most generate take on the Saudis here and at

least one of their citizens is missing and its international embarrassment and they need to find him, but they made no obvious efforts to do that.

On the worse side of things, a key part of their security apparatus are in great detail being accused of being involved in a very gruesome murder plot

and the Saudi government is not even coming forward with alibis, furthermore trying to suggest that perhaps it couldn't have been this man

because in fact he was somewhere else. They're being quite defiant in their silence, almost thinking perhaps that Mike Pompeo's visit was going

to sort of wrap it up in a bow and let them ignore the whole thing.

For the U.S. part, well, it's potentially, some might say, troubling to see Mike Pompeo travel across the other side of the world to meet a key ally

and emerged really with nothing apart from some things he has to tell President Trump in person. Remember, if you go back decades, the Saudis

have been the closest ally America can count on. They were the ones that the U.S. used to fund the merger against the Soviet as a proxy. That's

supposed to be extremely tight.

But in this case, they don't seem together to be able to find a way out of this. You can imagine a whole series of scenarios where if the Saudis

realized they wanted this to go away they could as it's been suggested by some reports, the scapegoat that somebody made an obvious kind of mea culpa

and then be reassured by the U.S. business is back to normal a matter of months later.

And finally, on top of this too, Andrew, is the Turkish government really who were in curious (ph) position. They are per capita, the worse killer

(ph) in the world. But instead of being kind of the honest broker of the investigations here, they have two agendas. They seem to want to leak this

out slowly with a little bit of information to loyal state media and then foreign media to keep this permanently on the world's radar but at the same

time to -- they seem to be enjoying the fact that they can antagonize the Saudi Arabian government here.

They long had a grudge against them. It has to do with Qatar and Turkey's role in supporting Qatar when Qatar was facing a blockade because the

Saudis believe they were supporting terrorism. The Turkish really is here for themselves and the role of being kind of like the chief of outrage you

might say about what happened to Mr. Khashoggi. But really, at the end of the day, they're cliff sizing it to the point where we're left at the end

of this, one being exactly who emerges from this untainted. Andrew?

STEVENS: OK. Nick, thank you very much for that. Nick Paton Walsh with that analysis joining us from London.

Now, we just want to show you now some pictures which is just coming to us here at CNN. These came from the Turkish daily newspaper, Sabah, where

there are four images taken by CCTV. You're looking there at a man -- these are Saudi individuals who came to Istanbul on October 2nd. This is

the day Khashoggi actually went missing.

Now, these images include Mahir Abdul Aziz Mutrib. Now, CNN has previously named and identified him as a Saudi diplomat and intelligence officer, also

one of the people in that Saudi group during the time that Khashoggi went missing.

[08:15:08] And you're seeing he is outside -- these pictures are showing him outside the consulate, the Saudi consulate. Others in that group

appear to be behind him. He arrives there around 10 o'clock in the morning and he leaves the residence of the consul general later about 5 o'clock in

the afternoon.

So, just more information all building up to the case of what actually happened. Remember, we are waiting for Turkey who have now said that they

will complete their investigation soon but haven't said they're actually going to publish the results that's -- given the incredible interest we

unlikely if they didn't.

Yes, the stakes are high on day two of the critical Brexit Summit in Brussels. The European leaders have hit the hammer out the terms for the

UK's departure from the E.U. But plans for a special summit next month to complete that deal have been dropped because of the lack of progress.

Now, the British Prime Minister, Theresa May, is considering extending the Brexit transition window in an attempt to break the deadlock. She's set to

speak at a news conference in a few hours from now. The president of the European Commission meanwhile is due to speak in about one hour form now.

Ahead of the trip, Theresa May said both sides need to work intensively in the coming days and weeks. So, what can we expect now? Let's go live to

Brussels. CNN's Erin McLaughlin joins us. Theresa May has a very weak hand, let's face it, Erin. When she talks about extending this transition

period, she's going to get the backing of her own parliament, her own government, and that is not by any means a done deal. So, where does the

E.U. fit in all this? What do they do?

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, at this point, Andrew, the E.U. is saying that just more time is needed to break this

impact, a much more time in the words of the chief Brexit negotiation for the E.U., Michel Barnier. And that does not only apply to the negotiations

surrounding the withdrawal but also potentially negotiations of the future relationships, which are expected to take place in the so-called

implementation or transition phase.

That phase expected to commence shortly after March 29, 2019. It essentially means the status quo will remain the same while the two sides

flush out the nature of that trade relationship. But they're thinking of prolonging that in order to make enough room to avoid a Northern Ireland

backstop, which the E.U. insists on as part of the withdrawal agreement.

Theresa May, when she arrived this morning was asked about that. She said any extension of the implementation or transition period would only be a

matter of months and would only be used as a last resort. Take a listen to what she had to say.

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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The point is that this is not expected to be used because we are working to ensure that we have to have

future relationships in place by the end of December 2020. I'm clear that it's possible to do that and that's what we're working for. And in no

circumstances there will be no need for any proposal of this sort and I'm clear that I expect the implementation here is when -- at the end of

December 2020.

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MCLAUGHLIN: And you may have detected there a bit of a defensive tone from Prime Minister May and that's because the transition that's agreed on so

far is sort of sore spot for Brexiteers. Why? Because it essentially means that during that time period post-Brexit, the U.K. would have to

continue to pay into the budget, follow E.U. rules but critically lose its seat at the decision table.

And there is a real fear among Brexiteers that the U.K. could potentially become a vassal state of the E.U. and under -- as an unintended byproduct

of the Brexit process. So, Theresa May clearly there trying to sway us here saying that any extension of the implementation period would only be

temporary and used as a last resort.

What it does though illustrate given that defensive posture that she has taken here this morning is just how difficult the situation is for her back

home at this point, something that the E.U. 27 are also acutely aware of. They do not want to strike a deal with Theresa May that won't pass British

parliament. Andrew?

STEVENS: She walks an incredible timeframe, doesn't she? Erin, thank you so much. Erin McLaughlin joining us live from Brussels.

Right now, more than 130,000 Rohingya refugees are living in tent, some described as open air prisons. To show you what are teams found when CNN

joined a government-led tour of the highly restricted area. Plus the South Korean president meets Pope Francis at the Vatican, reportedly making a

special delivery on behalf of North Korea. Details after the break.

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STEVENS: Despite a mountain of evidence collected by the United Nations and others, one year on Myanmar still denies genocide in Rakhine state ever

happened. More than 700,000 Rohingya crossed its neighboring Bangladesh in the past year alone, claiming (ph) a military operation in Myanmar that

UN's top human rights official likens to, quote, "ethnic cleansing."

CNN's Matt Rivers has been to camp inside Myanmar where Rohingya are still living. And the conditions there are so bad the Rohingya are warning

refugees not to come back. Well, Matt joins us now live from Beijing to continue his series of reports from that region.

Now, Matt, very powerful reporting. So far, let's talk about your latest story. You mentioned that the Rohingya were telling you that they're an

open-air prisons.

MATT RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. That's exactly right. I mean these people that we met are actually in an area south of where the

killing happened. This is where Rohingya placed the camp after violence that happened six years ago. And yet, they're still there. And so, what

these camps outside of the town of Sittwe, as it's called, had become known as almost like a bellwether. That's part of the reason why the Rohingya

that are in Bangladesh, in the no man's land that we reported on yesterday, is part of the reason they don't want to come back because they look at

people inside these camps and they say, "That could be our future."

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RIVERS: Hundreds of thousands of Rohingya fled to Bangladesh in 2017 after violence the U.N. calls a genocide. But when Myanmar's government tells

the refugees to come back, this place is a possible future many are afraid of.

This is a refugee camp well south of where the killing happened. These people are Rohingya too, a Muslim minority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like an open prison. Even in prison, the prisoners they know how long they have to be there in the prison.

RIVERS: We obscured this man's identity so he can speak openly. He and other Rohingya came here in 2012 when violence broke out in Rakhine. They

were told they'd be sent home in two to three weeks. It's been six years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How long we have to be here? We don't know.

RIVERS: In the camps, there are no jobs, no education, no healthcare. They live in bamboo huts with no electricity over stagnant water.

The conditions here are visibly parable and yet there are more than 100,000 people in camps like this throughout this area. They were never supposed

to be here this long. The Burmese government has said that they plan to shutdown these camps amongst growing international pressure. And yet, so

far, there are no concrete signs that they're doing so in a responsible way.

[08:25:00] The stateless Rohingya are widely despised by dominant ethnic Buddhist groups and aren't recognized as citizens by the government. So,

as Myanmar's government makes familiar promises to the refugees in Bangladesh come back within a temporary camp, and then go home, people

don't believe it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah. I will tell them not to come back. It's not the right time to come.

RIVERS: There's clear mistrust in a government that says credible claims of mass killing, torture and rape last year aren't true.

We're given an armed escort by local police everywhere we go. They say it's for our protection and that is partly true, but it's also true that

these guys are here to make sure that we don't go anywhere they don't want us to.

But even then, it's not hard to see why Rohingya don't want to be in a place where no one should be forced to live.

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RIVERS: And Andrew, you know, it's the fact that they don't want to go to those camps. It's the fact that they're not citizens. If they do come

back, they're not recognized by Myanmar's government. And also, they still fear for their lives. But for all of those reasons combined, that's why

this horrific situation will continue and hundreds of thousands of refugees will remain in this state of limbo.

STEVENS: With no resolution in sight. Matt, thank you very much for that latest installment. Matt Rivers joining us live from Beijing.

South Korean president, Moon Jae-in, is at the Vatican today meeting with Pope Francis. Mr. Moon is expected to deliver an invitation from the North

Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, asking the pontiff to visit Pyongyang. On the eve of his visit, Mr. Moon spoke of, quote, "heartwarming move towards

peace on the Korean peninsula."

CNN's Vatican correspondent, Delia Gallagher, joins us now live from Rome with the (inaudible). Delia, I'm just curious, the Pope obviously gets

invitations to visit all countries. Is North Korea -- would it be treated any differently?

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly, there would be a concern, Andrew, on the part of the Vatican not to be seen to be

playing into any propaganda or being seen to give any legitimacy to a regime which is guilty of human rights abuses. So, there would be

definitely a calculation on the part of the Vatican as much as Pope Francis loves to travel and believed in dialogue.

And we saw that just recently, for example, with the China-Vatican deal where the pope has a dialogue with communist leaders in the hopes of trying

to obtain a better life for Christians and Catholics in the country. So, it's a proposition which certainly they would have to take into

consideration weighing the pros and cons. And Vatican diplomacy would be much more cautious on that perhaps than Pope Francis would want to be. We

know he likes to go out and meet people.

I can tell you, Andrew, that that meeting wrapped up about an hour and a half ago and they did speak privately for 35 minutes, but we don't yet know

officially from the Vatican whether that invitation was extended and what Pope Francis has said about it. So, we don't have any official Vatican

comment yet. We do know from South Korean agencies that President Moon, as he has said, intended to relay the invitation to the pope from Kim Jong-un,

but no word yet from the Vatican on that meeting, Andrew.

Now, it's interesting that the South Korean Catholic archbishop said there could potentially be some benefit to the pope visiting North Korea. Here

is what he had to say.

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KIM HEE-JONG, KOREAN ARCHBISHOP (through translator): Through the Pope's visit, North Korea may become more open to the international community and

its leader may become more flexible with regard to the freedom of religion.

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GALLAGHER: You know, Andrew, Kim Jong-il, Kim Jong-un's father, back in 2000 invited John Paul II to visit North Korea. So, this wouldn't be the

first time that a pope has been invited to visit the country. Of course, John Paul II never actually made that trip, so remains to be seen whether

or not Pope Francis will become the first pope to visit North Korea. Andrew?

STEVENS: OK. Delia, thanks very much. Delia Gallagher joining us live from Rome.

And still ahead on the show, a giant floating pipe connected to a knit (ph) has arrived in its destination (ph) in the Pacific Ocean to begin cleaning

up garbage, millions and millions and millions of tons of garbage. How much can it clean? We'll be interviewing the young entrepreneur behind

this ambitious efforts, just ahead.

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STEVENS: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. You're watching "News Stream" and here are your world headlines.

Russian investigators are looking for a motive for a mass shooting that killed 15 students and five employees at a college in Kerch, Crimea.

Witnesses say an explosion went off in a dining room there and then the shooting started. Crimean government says the alleged attacker student at

the school committed suicide.

A high-profile Vietnamese dissident and blogger known as Quynh, meaning "Mother Mushroom" has arrived in the United States where she is being

granted asylum. She was released a year and a half into a 10-year sentence for conducting anti-state propaganda for blog covered issues like freedom

of speech and police brutality.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo report to President Donald Trump on his recent meetings with both the Saudi and Turkish officials. Source explains

that Pompeo warned the Saudi crown prince that must own the situation of the disappearance and apparent killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and

that every fact will come out.

Lets get back now to one of the newest lines we are following in the story. Turkish daily newspapers just published what appears to be photos of the

Saudi officer in Istanbul on the day that Khashoggi disappeared.

Our senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman joins us now from Istanbul with more on that. This just adds more evidence of the Saudi

involvement. Look at those pictures. What are they telling you, Ben?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Really what these pictures, these four CCTV pictures tell us, they establish the presence of

a prime suspect at the scene of the crime, at least in several of them.

Now, there are four separate pictures. They all show Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, who is colonel in Saudi intelligence and somebody who is also part

of the special security duty for Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince.

Now, the first picture shows him arriving right here in front of the consulate at 9:55 a.m. on the second of October. That is the day that Jamal

Khashoggi came to the consulate and then of course was never seen afterwards.

The next picture was taken at 4:53 p.m. of Mr. Mutreb coming out of the consulate and of course it is important to keep in mind that that is about

three and a half hours after Mr. Khashoggi went in.

The third picture is him checking out of the Movenpick Hotel. He was -- he had a booking until the fifth of October, but he and the other members of

the 15-member Saudi crew that arrived on two private jets left that day.

The fourth picture is him at the terminal, the General Aviation Terminal at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport. That picture taken at 5:58 p.m. He boarded an

aircraft that went to Riyadh but stopped along the way in Cairo. So this certainly adds more meat to the bones of the story.

[08:34:58] We knew that Colonel Mutreb was part of this 15-member delegation or crew from the start, but this certainly does place him at the

consulate on the day, around the time when Mr. Khashoggi entered, never to be seen again. Andrew?

STEVENS: But I just want to take slightly broader in the -- what we are getting officially through leaks, as you say, from the Turkish authorities

about what happened at the consulate and obviously with this intensive search at the consul general's own residence, it seems to be almost

strategy by the Turks with this drift feed of information. Is that how you are seeing it? Why are they doing it?

WEDEMAN: I think they are trying to put mounting pressure on Saudi Arabia and the United States to somehow come up with a credible explanation as to

what happened. What's interesting, as you mentioned, we cannot put a name to any of the dozens of leaks that have come out with sordid details about

the alleged murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

What we are learning is piece by piece, leak by leak, little bits of information, many of them quite shocking, about what perhaps happened

inside the Saudi consulate on the second of October, hearing things like he went inside and was immediately beaten and then had his fingers cut off,

was murdered, and then cut into pieces.

But we have not had any of these claims linked to a specific official in the Turkish government. They are all unnamed, anonymous sources. Max?

STEVENS: OK, Ben, thanks very much for that. Ben Wedeman joining us live from Istanbul. And so we are also expecting what the Turks are saying is a

report or conclusion of their investigation into the what happened at the consulate and whether we get that publicly announced, we don't know.

We are also waiting -- make sure you stay with CNN for this -- meeting between Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, and the president, Donald

Trump, on Pompeo's visits, very recent visits to both Saudi Arabi where he met the crown prince and to Ankara where he met the senior leaders of

Turkey to try and find out exactly what was going on.

Pompeo saying that it was a blunt meeting with the Saudis and the fact that Saudi Arabia had to own up in his words to -- not in his words but

certainly in the words of his people.

OK, coming up here on "News Stream" still, an Italian artist re-imagines classical works of art with new high tech gadgets. "Smart Creativity," it's

called. Stay with us and we will tell what it is all about.

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STEVENS: Welcome back. As part of our "Smart Creativity" series, we meet an Italian artist who is re-imagining classical sculpture using robots and

3D scanning.

[08:39:58] He is now working on a new adaption of one of the most studied works in art history. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm interested in trying to discover perfection, taking familiar object and looking at this object through the eyes of the machine.

Experimenting with technology is not something completely new in art. For me, it's always been present and seems (ph) really that the times

renaissance (ph) so clearly you can see this with Da Vinci or Michelangelo and go back to the tradition of classic masterpieces to somehow master the

rules of perfection.

The Laocoon project fixing to an ongoing research that are new on classical artifacts. It is really the symbol of perfection. It is the most copied and

reproduced objects in art history.

The process was first probably (ph) seen on recreating a digital model of the Laocoon. A combination of different photogrammetry sessions and also

additional modeling. Essentially, I'm not really designing sculpture. I'm designing sort of sequence of coordinates. I am almost creating an

animation of the sequence of coordinates that the robots need to follow.

We use a robot and standard machine that is used in many different industries that has an incredible precision and can be simulated digitally.

My hands never really touch the sculpture (INAUDIBLE) robot, what we want this robot to do. It is my intervention. I am mostly exploring the space in

between an original block matter and the Laocoon that might be inside. It is the fascinating thing that Michelangelo was saying, that sculpture was

already in the block. You are simply removing the stone around it.

The changes (INAUDIBLE) what technology is bringing. We are changing the way we are looking at the work. This I think allows you to see things

differently and discover new things (ph) and new languages.

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STEVENS: Staying on an artistic fan footy (ph) London auction house. This is one sell that didn't quite go according to plan. But now it seems it

didn't go right for the artist behind it either. Banksy, he is the artist, says that his stunt where he shredded his own artwork seconds after it was

purchased for more than million dollars, didn't fully succeed.

A new video in Banksy's website implies that the 2006 painting entitled "Girl with Balloon" was supposed to be entirely destroyed. The clip is

accompanied by the message: In rehearsals, it worked every time.

That's it for "News Stream." I'm Andrew Stevens. Don't go anywhere. "World Sport" with Christina Macfarlane is next.

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