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Shocking Video Shows Body Double as Part of Saudi Cover-Up; Erdogan to Speak About Khashoggi's Death Tuesday; Siemens CEO Pulls Out of "Davos in the Desert"; Trump Says U.S. to Pull Out of Nuclear Pact with Russia; Human Rights Organizations Call for U.N. Probe into Journalists Death; Huge Crowds Resume Trek to U.S. after Entering Mexico. Aired 11-12p ET
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[11:00:00] LYNDA KINKADE, CNN HOST: Hello and welcome to CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Lynda Kinkade live in the Atlanta.
Well Saudi Arabia calls it a tremendous mistake by rogue agents. But stunning new footage appears to expose a carefully premeditated operation
to murder journalist Jamal Khashoggi and then cover up the crime. CNN has obtained exclusive surveillance video from outside the Saudi consulate in
Istanbul. And as our Clarissa Ward reports, it shows Khashoggi entering the front door, then chillingly a body double later exiting out the back.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At first glance this man could almost pass for Jamal Khashoggi and that's the
idea. These are the last known images of Khashoggi alive, moments before he entered the Saudi consulate. Take a look. Same clothes, same glasses
and beard, similar age and physique, everything except the shoes. But a senior Turkish official tells CNN that the man on the left is a body
double, one of 15 Saudi operatives sent to kill Khashoggi and then cover it up. His name is Mustafa al-Manani. Surveillance cameras capture him
arriving at the consulate in a plaid shirt and jeans at 11:03 with an accomplice. Two hours later Khashoggi arrives. He was killed inside
(on camera): While Khashoggi's fiancee waited in front of the consulate, we're told al-Manani came out through this back exit. Disturbingly he
appears to have been wearing the actual clothing of the murdered journalist. The intent, Turkish investigators say, was to perpetuate the
lie that Jamal Khashoggi left the consulate unharmed.
(voice-over): The apparent double and his companion take a taxi to Sultan Ahmed Mosque. It's one of Istanbul's main tourist attractions and an easy
place to get lost in the crowd. The men head to the bathroom. The accomplice carries a plastic bag. When they've merge, al-Manani is wearing
his own clothes again.
(on camera): And just like that Jamal Khashoggi has disappeared forever or so the Saudis would have had the world believe. Little did they know
Turkish authorities would quickly uncover the coverup.
(voice-over): From their next stop at a nearby restaurant where al-Manani appears to have ditched his fake beard to a dumpster where the men finally
dump the plastic bag. The senior official says investigators believe it likely contained Khashoggi's clothes. As they head back to their hotel,
the pair appear visibly relaxed. Their mission is complete. Clarissa Ward, CNN, Istanbul.
KINKADE: Turkey's ruling party calls the killing of Khashoggi a complicated murder that was monstrously planned. The Turkish President
himself is expected to speak out on the case tomorrow, vowing to reveal the truth. We're going to go live to Turkey and Saudi Arabia tonight. Nic
Robertson joining us from Istanbul. Our Sam Kiley is in Riyadh. First to Nic, certainly it sounds harder and harder to believe the Saudi narrative,
the changing story. When we're hearing that a bone saw and now a body double was at what should have been a routine consular appointment.
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes, we've heard some of the strongest language now coming from the ruling party. A spokesman of
President Erdogan's party calling it violently planned, very complicated murder that was covered up. And in the last hour or so, potentially a very
big break through and step for Turkish investigators. They've discovered a car from the Saudi consulate parked in a private underground car park.
This is a vehicle we know they've been looking for a couple of vehicles from the consulate that were there at the time of Khashoggi's disappearance
that moved to the counsel general's house nearby. And the movement of two of those vehicles has been hotly pursued by Turkish investigators. Now
they have discovered one of these vehicles with the consulate diplomatic plates on.
A forensic team -- Turkish investigators forensic team has just arrived on the scene within the last hour. So, potentially this may help
investigators here. They are, of course, still looking for Jamal Khashoggi's body. They find what they're hearing from the Saudi officials
not adding up. Saudis say that they have been helping and cooperating with Turkish investigators.
[11:05:00] That doesn't appear to Turkish officials to be the case. It took them a long time to be allowed into the consulate. When they got in,
many things had been painted over, that they were trying to investigate. They hear what the Saudi foreign minister said that he doesn't know where
Jamal Khashoggi's body is. Yet a senior Saudi source tells CNN that the body was handed to, if you will, an accomplice here in Turkey. For the
investigators finding Jamal Khashoggi's body hugely important. They would expect information coming from Saudi officials to be more helpful than what
appears so far to have been a dead-end for them.
KINKADE: Yes, absolutely. That is a key question finding the body. I want to go to Sam now, Nic, if you can stand by. The Saudi foreign
minister has quoted a tremendous mistake. But the Saudis still seem to be pushing that narrative that this was a rogue operation.
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Very strongly, Lynda. Earlier on today there was a tweet from the royal court saying both King
Salman and his son Mohammed, the crown prince, had both phoned Salah Khashoggi, the eldest son of the late "Washington Post" columnist, to
offering their condolences. This is consistent with some of the media reporting we saw yesterday. They are celebrating the life and times of Mr.
Khashoggi, indicating even from the royal court itself, from none other than the King himself, that he was by no means perceived to be a threat to
the state or a person against whom the Saudi government would have wished harm.
That is inconsistent, of course, with earlier intercepts that American officials have suggested to CNN that the CIA and others were able to
monitor phone calls, for example, that discussed luring him back to Saudi Arabia to face the music. So, amidst all of this, though, the foreign
minister here, Adel al-Jubeir, going on a charm offensive explaining and saying that this was an altercation and it was a disaster and very much not
part or consistent with Saudi plans. Now the Foreign Ministry had put out a video tweet. Let's just play a very short extract of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KSA FOREIGN MINISTRY (text): PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION: revealed that the discussions which took place between Jamal Khashoggi the during his visit
to the kingdom's counsel it in Istanbul and the suspects unfortunately led to an altercation between them and Jamal Khashoggi, leading to his death.
THE PUBLIC PERSECUTION: The investigations are still ongoing. There are 18 Saudi suspects in custody.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KILEY: They're saying the Saudi investigation -- the Saudi investigation into this murder is going to go on for another month before that's
concluded. And the crown prince, of course, will be presiding over an investigation into reforming the intelligence services which, since this
case happened, have been eviscerated with the sacking of at least four top officials -- Lynda.
KINKADE: All right, Sam Kiley, interesting video that they've put out there. I just want to go back to Nic finally. As Sam mentioned, we'll
have the Davos in the Desert tomorrow where the crown prince will be speaking. But also, have the Turkish President speaking tomorrow. He's
expected to reveal more about this case, what they call the complete -- the full naked truth. Just give us a sense of how European leaders are
responding to what we know so far.
ROBERTSON: Well, we know there's been a joint statement from Britain, France and Germany. This came out late Sunday, and it indicated that none
of these countries trust the narrative that they're hearing from Saudi Arabia right now. That they believe there's more information to come.
That there should be a full and transparent accounting. And their judgment on the events is going to -- it will depend on a more full accounting.
And, indeed, their relationship with Saudi Arabia will depend on that. This is very strong diplomatic language. Very strong when it comes from
the three countries together.
It's not clear what President Erdogan is going to say tomorrow. We're told it's a very strong statement. Perhaps no coincidence that the timing that
he's decided to do this is the same time that Saudi Arabia is hosting this Davos in the Desert. This investment forum inviting -- where many leading
business figures were invited and have declined to attend, something of a cloud on the horizon for Saudi officials. The fact that President Erdogan
is threatening to speak in strong terms about this.
What we have seen from the Turkish officials so far is a drip, drip of information into media, that they have provided where Saudi Arabia hasn't
come up with answers and then when it has come up with answers, that they've fallen short of Turkey's understanding that they continue to
provide more information that from their view exposes the deficiencies in the narrative emerging from Saudi Arabia.
[11:10:00] It would be reasonable to anticipate that President Erdogan may continue that, but he may not lay out everything that he believes he has.
KINKADE: All right, Nic Robertson for us in Istanbul and Sam Kiley for us, good to have you both with us. Thanks so much.
Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner just spoke to CNN about Khashoggi's killing. Kushner who has close ties to the Saudi
Crown Prince, Mohammad bin Salman, says the Trump administration is still in the fact-finding phase, obtaining information from multiple sources. He
also says the U.S. President is focused on America's strategic interests.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JARED KUSHNER, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISOR: We have to be able to work with our allies, and Saudi Arabia has been I think a very strong ally in terms
of pushing back against Iran's aggression which is finding a lot of terror in the region. Whether it's the Houthis in Yemen or it's Hezbollah and
Hamas. We have a lot of terrorism in the region. The Middle East is a rough place, it's been a rough place for a very long time. And we have to
be able to pursue our strategic objectives, but we also have to deal with obviously what seems to be a terrible situation.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KINKADE: Kushner spoke there to CNN's Van Jones. Of course, you can see the full interview on the "VAN JONES SHOW" this weekend. That is at 7:00
p.m. Saturday in Washington, 3:00 a.m. in Abu Dhabi, if you're going to get up there. It's right here on CNN.
All this comes as we heard as one of the few remaining high profile guests for Riyadh's investment conference has now pulled out. Siemens chief
executive, Joe Kaeser, won't go to the so-called Davos in the Desert, which is still scheduled to begin on Tuesday -- that's tomorrow.
We have seen a flurry of drop-outs over the past week including the U.S. Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin. Emerging markets editor, John
Defterios, is in Abu Dhabi and joins us now live. And John, as the investigation into the death of this "Washington Post" journalist has
unraveled, it certainly kept pressure on the stock market in Saudi Arabia and also CEOs from around the world who feel they have no choice but to
JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNNMONEY EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: Yes, indeed, Lynda. There's a lot of movement ahead of this investment summit taking place in
Riyadh on Tuesday, and none -- I should say here -- to the benefit of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, take every inch of video that takes a different
story line. For example, the explosive reporting by Clarissa Ward. We're also waiting -- as Nic was suggesting -- President Erdogan of Turkey to
make his statement at his party meeting. They expect that to be quite strong. And I do believe it's time to go ahead of this summit. And it
drowns out, perhaps, a narrative from Jared Kushner advising his father in law, President Trump, that we should let this play out and get more
information against Saudi Arabia.
And today for the business community having Joe Kaeser of Siemens, the German industrial conglomerate steps out is quite a statement. And I'll
tell you why, because they were a strategic partner. And Kaeser made it very clear. He gave it a lot of thought, perhaps too much thought. He
laid it out in a three-point memo that he distributed to the media today. He went on to say the truth must be found and justice must be served,
something he didn't take lightly. It's the cleanest decision, Kaeser said, but it was not the most courageous one.
And what he meant by that. There's $30 billion on the table between now and 2030 perhaps for Siemens. But he said he'd rather be a voice at the
table, express himself directly to the Saudi people. But it was overwhelming, the evidence so far, that he could not go to Riyadh.
I'm not surprised by this because the U.K., France and Germany put out a joint statement over the weekend and it was a very strong condemnation.
And Germany having this industrial group, Siemens, with almost 400,000 employees couldn't see their CEO attending. We've also heard from
reporting here, we've had out of Abu Dhabi, that Sir Norman Foster, the fabled architect, is now going to pull himself off the neon board, at least
spend his participation as well.
Finally, we've tried to log into the website today to find the latest guest list and attendees. Something we've been trying to do for three or four
days. Something changed in the last two hours. And that is, we believe that the future investment website has been hacked. Because we can't get
access to it right now. We're trying to explore further details. You can see the evidence kind of piling up against Saudi Arabia and the challenges
here to proceed and the decision by the crown prince himself to go ahead with the investment summit Tuesday through Thursday of this week in Riyadh.
KINKADE: Wow, it's certainly a chilling image there that the hackers have put on that website. John, given the number of executives that have pulled
out already and the politicians, what does this all mean for the brand building that the crown prince had embarked in, and who is expected to turn
DEFTERIOS: Well, he did roll out in a very big way, as you know, Lynda, in 2017 with nearly 4,000 attendees. Perhaps he set the expectations of the
bar too high. You hear very different tales of what exactly he promised. Economic reform is one of them, but not political reform. And there's a
big interpretation of what's transpired in Turkey and is not playing well for Saudi Arabia in the Vision 2030 plan.
[11:15:00] I expect Western executives to be there, but not the CEOs, the tech companies, the consultants, even the banks will have at least regional
executives to mark their territory. I've been contacted by a number of Russian, Chinese, Indian and African CEOs and executives who plan to go
here. They see this as an opportunity to fill the void. I think Saudi Arabia sees it as an opportunity to fill the room. So, they're tilting
east to Asia, south to Africa and perhaps if I can be blunt here, not countries that will raise a lot of topics when it comes to human rights and
what transpired in Turkey as well. So, that's going to be probably a full setting there in Riyadh. I don't think it's going to be explosive like
last year by any sense. But they'll going to try to fill the seats with Saudis and those from emerging markets, I would expect -- Lynda.
KINKADE: No doubt. All right, John Defterios, no doubt we will talk again tomorrow as that gets under way there. Thanks so much.
DEFTERIOS: You bet.
KINKADE: Well still to come, a top U.S. adviser in Moscow, where he will face tough questions from the Russian government. It follows U.S.
President Trump's announcement he's going to pull out of a landmark nuclear weapons treaty. We're live in Washington and Moscow next.
KINKADE: You're watching CNN and this is CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Lynda Kinkade. Welcome back.
Well right now in Moscow the U.S. National Security Adviser is meeting with Russia's top diplomat. It comes at a time when both countries are
ratcheting up the rhetoric over a nuclear missile treaty. John Bolton is meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. And it comes just two
days after the U.S. President announced plans to pull out of the decades- old pact with Russia. The agreement dates back to the cold war. And the Kremlin is demanding an explanation. We want to bring the latest from both
sides of the story. Our Frederik Pleitgen is in Moscow and Abby Phillip joins us from the White House. First, I just want to go to Fred, because
we heard from the foreign minister of Russia a short time ago threatening retaliation if the U.S. goes through with this.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely. And that's one of the reasons why the Russians say they want
answers for what exactly the United States is saying. Whether or not they are exiting this treaty or whether or not there might still be some sort of
room for negotiation. Now the Russians are saying what they want is that the want parity with the United States. If the U.S. leaves this treaty the
Russian say they probably are going to deploy nuclear forces again if that's something that the U.S. does as well. Here is what Sergey Lavrov
I see that we don't have that sound bite, but basically, he said that the Russians demand parity with the United States. And that the Russians
essentially feel it would be a threat to their own security if, in fact, the U.S. killed this treaty and if the fact the U.S. started deploying
nuclear forces, intermediate-range nuclear forces once again. And I think one of the things that we've seen, Lynda, over the past, I would say, 24
hours or so since President Trump, of course, announced that the U.S. wanted to pull out of this treaty.
The Russians have been very, very angry saying this could spark a new arms race. Say this could spark a new Cuban missile crisis, saying the U.S. was
trying to blackmail Russia. But the top officials have been saying, essentially what they want an answer to is whether or not what President
Trump said on the weekend meant that this was a final decision by the United States or whether or not there might still be some room for
negotiation. I do hear we have that sound now from Sergey Lavrov. Let's listen to him now.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SURVEY LAVROV, RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER (through translator): Any action in this area would be met with counteraction. Strategic stability can only
be achieved on the basis of parity. And we will do everything to keep up that parity. We are responsible for global stability. We hope that the
United States will not give up its share of responsibility either.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KINKADE: Thanks very much --
PLEITGEN: Very serious words there from Sergey Lavrov and, of course, what is a very serious topic -- Lynda.
KINKADE: Yes, it certainly is, Fred. Glad we got that sound in there. I want to go to Abby. Because this is, obviously an important meeting today.
A lot of pressure on John Bolton as he meets with Russia's Foreign Minister. Is he expected to say this agreement has been terminated or is
this the start of negotiations?
ABBY PHILLIP, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Lynda, we are still waiting to hear about what John Bolton plans to do in Moscow as it relates to this
treaty. And there are some indications that he is delivering the same message that President Trump delivered over the weekend. Which is that the
U.S. intends to pull out. But obviously, as with a lot of things, it could be a week's long process and isn't something that is immediate. Part of
the equation will also be what is going to be the feedback here in the United States.
I think already we've seen some pushback, especially from Republicans because this was, after all, a treaty negotiated by Ronald Reagan, a
standard-bearer of the Republican Party. And many Republicans are skeptical that even though there are real concerns about whether or not
Russia is cheating on the treaty, whether withdrawing altogether is the way to do it.
That being said, this is part and parcel of what the Trump administration's foreign policy has been all about. Skepticism of these multilateral
treaties, skepticism of these sort of decades-old international pacts. And so, this could be the next casualty. And I think Bolton's time in Russia
is going to be key. Is he going to try to feel out some willingness to renegotiate or perhaps strengthen it or will he deliver President Trump's
strong message that the deal is already done. He intends to pull out and he does not believe that Russia can be counted on to be an equal partner in
KINKADE: Abby, it's not new that the U.S. claims that Russia has violated this agreement. They claim that Russia has violated this agreement for
several years now. Does the U.S. have evidence of those violations?
PHILLIP: That's exactly right. I mean, the Trump administration did not - - they didn't pull this up out of thin air. The Obama administration had accused Russia of cheating since 2014. Even Putin had made some comments
indicating that they did not believe that this treaty was in Russia's interest. Do, there's a lot of indication that Russia has been cheating
and the United States has named some missiles that they believe -- they suspect have longer ranges that the Russians are willing to acknowledge.
That being said, it's not clear whether the United States is currently in a position to lay out the evidence, to prove it on the world stage or even if
they would have to prove it. I think the United States believes they have other issues with this treaty, including that it doesn't include other
parties like, for example, China. Who they believe is also a nation that should be a party to an agreement like this. So, not clear whether or not
they plan to lay all of that out. And President Trump's announcement over the weekend seemed to be something he threw out there at an unscripted
[11:25:00] so, it could also be that the United States government needs some time to pull this all together and get it ready for prime time. That
wouldn't be the first time something like this happened.
KINKADE: It would not indeed. Abby Phillip, good to have you with us from outside the White House, Frederik Pleitgen from Moscow, thanks so much.
Still to come here at CONNECT THE WORLD, as exclusive footage obtained by CNN shows a body double dressed as journalist Jamal Khashoggi, there are
now growing calls for a United Nations investigation into his murder. We'll have the details just ahead.
Also, thousands of migrants are braving an exhausting and dangerous journey for a better life in the United States. But President Trump is determined
to keep the caravan out. We'll have the latest coming up from Mexico.
KINKADE: Welcome back, you're watching CNN and this is CONNECT THE WORLD. I'm Lynda Kinkade.
Well, a fistfight gone bad, a terrible mistake, a rogue operation. Saudi Arabia is sticking to it story about the killing of journalist Jamal
Khashoggi. But this new video appears to be further evidence that the whole thing was carefully planned and covered up.
[11:30:00] CNN obtained exclusive surveillance footage that shows a body double exiting the Saudi consulate in Istanbul where Khashoggi was killed.
He appears to be wearing Khashoggi's own clothes. CNN's chief international correspondent, Clarissa Ward brought us that exclusive
reporting. She joins us now live. Incredible reporting by you and the team, Clarissa. From what you've established, it appears this was
WARD: Well, that's certainly what Turkish officials think. And you can really see why, Lynda, when look at that video. For a number of reasons,
firstly, the alleged body double, Mustafa al-Manani. He is 57 years old. That's two decades older than the vast majority of the rest of the team of
15 Saudi operatives. Secondly, we see later on in the video that he clearly is clean shaven. He doesn't have facial hair. And yet when he's
merges from the back of the consulate behind me, dressed in the clothes of Jamal Khashoggi, he appears to have a full beard.
So, why would someone 20 years older than the rest of the operatives be joining them on a mission with a fake beard who happens to be the same
size, same height, roughly same weight as Khashoggi. Turkish officials say it leaves little doubt in their minds that this was an intentional act.
The question then becomes was it an intentional killing or was it possibly an intentional abduction or rendition. Turkish officials say they believe
it was an intentional killing. I reached out to a Saudi source close to the palace who said, hold on a second, we won't confirm or deny there was a
body double sent to participate in this operation, but we do strenuously deny that the killing itself was intentional -- Lynda.
KINKADE: Incredible. Incredible seeing those shots side by side of the journalist and the body double. We know we're expecting to hear from the
Turkish President tomorrow to answer some more questions perhaps. But there are still a lot of outstanding questions. Why was a forensic expert,
an autopsy expert sent along? Why did they need a bone saw if this was just a routine consular appointment?
WARD: And I think the question that a lot of Turkish investigators want to know is where is the body? Nobody yet has a real sense of where that body
may be. Now interestingly in the last few hours we've seen multiple reports in Turkish media that Turkish police have cordoned off a parking
garage. In that parking garage, we're hearing, is an abandoned Saudi consulate vehicle. It appears that Turkish authorities are investigating
that, looking into that, not clear what role it may or may not have played in the actual operation.
Turkish investigators have also today, Lynda, interviewed a number of people who were employed here at the consulate. So, they're still
continuing with this investigation. President Erdogan promising to reveal the truth tomorrow. And the Saudis meanwhile still really not seeming to
get their story straight. It started out as a botched interrogation. Now it's a rogue operation. Was it rendition? Was it a killing? Was it a
premeditated? A lot of different stories. And Turkish officials basically saying that they are going to keep up the pressure until they get the truth
KINKADE: That is exactly what were after. Clarissa Ward, good to have you there getting the truth for us. Thanks so much. We appreciate it.
Meanwhile several human rights organizations are calling for an independent international investigation into Khashoggi's death. It comes after the
glaring inconsistencies that we just been speaking about in the Saudi's explanation about what went on in that consulate. I want to bring in
Sherine Tadros. She is the head of -- representative of the New York based U.N. office for Amnesty International. Good to have you with us, Sherine.
SHERINE TADROS, HEAD REPRESENTATIVE, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL U.N. OFFICE: Thank you.
KINKADE: We know that Turkey obviously is pursuing its investigation. The Saudis have their own investigation under way. But there are strong calls
from Amnesty as well for a U.N. investigation. Why is that necessary?
TADROS: Well, let's look at where we're at. We have these two so-called investigations, one being led by Saudi Arabia into itself which, as we've
already been talking about, is completely inconsistent, at times incredulous. They seem to be sure that there are no links between what
happened to Jamal Khashoggi and the Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman. But yet they don't know what happened to the body. And there are so many
inconsistencies in the past 16, 17 days since this incident took place.
And they also decided to fire and question loads of their officials, but they don't seem to have any concern for due process or explaining to us how
these officials could possibly have done this without the knowledge of their superiors.
[11:35:00] And on the other hand, you have this Turkish investigation that is ongoing that we keep seeing leaks of to the media and nothing is clear.
So, it is highly politicized. It's very clear it's really a no-brainer. We need a credible transparent investigation. That is what is missing in
this puzzle. That is what really officials around the world have been asking for, and that is why the Committee To Protect Journalist, Reporters
Without Borders, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have joined forces to ask for -- it's very simple -- Turkey simply needs to write to
the U.N. Secretary General, Antonio Guterres -- who himself has talked about the need for a transparent probe -- and ask for such an investigation
to take place. It can happen very quickly if there is political will. What we need is for countries to actually care about getting to the truth.
KINKADE: We have heard -- obviously it's been weeks since Jamal went into that consulate and never came out. We've heard that the wall haves been
painted over, potentially new carpet laid. What sort of investigation could the United Nations do here? And is there anyone else who could
request it besides Turkey?
TADROS: Well, we need pressure from all member states, especially the United States both on Turkey but also on the U.N. Secretary General,
Antonio Guterres to actually start this investigation. And yes, your right, we've had many days that have gone past, much time, if you like, for
a coverup. But at the end of the day our best shot at trying to get to the bottom of this is for this investigation, and it will need the Turkish
officials as well as Saudi officials to comply as well as perhaps other states as well who may have intelligence information.
But let's not make any mistake what this is about. It is not simply about, as tragic as it is, one journalist who walked into a consulate and was
killed. This is about a war on freedom of expression and freedom of the press, and we all have a stake in this. I have a stake in it as a human
rights defender. You have a stake in it as a journalist. But everyone watching, who dares to dissent, everyone who writes a Facebook post
criticizing their government or a policy or their leader, everyone has a stake in getting to the bottom of this. Because unless we have an
investigation, we establish the facts and there is some justice, which means that those who perpetrated this crime are held to account, are put in
prison. This will keep happening again and again.
You're absolutely right, Sherine. There is a lot at stake. This is far more than the murder of one human being, as bad as that is. But so often
we hear criticism of the United Nations being a toothless tiger. If they do find wrongdoing, if it goes all the way up to the Crown Prince or the
King of Saudi Arabia, what action can be taken?
TADROS: Yes, you're absolutely right to be skeptical. Because at the end of the day, Saudi Arabia has some very, very powerful allies including, of
course, the United States. We're talking about multibillion-dollar arms deals that go between the United States and Saudi Arabia, the U.K., France.
These are veto-wielding powers of the Security Council. And what we've seen over the course of the last three years since Saudi Arabia got
involved in its war on Yemen is that these countries have consistently defended their ally, Saudi Arabia, and made sure they are not punished in
So, we do need this pressure right now. We do need to say, though, enough is enough. It wasn't enough on the 9th of August when a U.S.-supplied bomb
was dropped by a Saudi jet on a bus full of children killing 26 of them as they went to school. We did nothing back then. But surely, we can say
enough is enough right now so that I am not sitting here in again three months, or in six months, or a year talking about another tragic mess.
Because every time we let Saudi Arabia get away with this, we're enabling them.
KINKADE: You make some very good points there. Sherine Tadros, from Amnesty International, great to get your perspective. Thanks so much.
KINKADE: I want to get you up to speed on some other stories on our radar right now. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has publicly
apologized to victims of sexual abuse. An emotional Morrison told parliament Monday that Australia failed to listen to and protect thousands
of victims. The apology followed a five-year investigation into child sex abuse in institutions including churches and schools.
Rescue crews in eastern China are trying to save 18 people trapped inside a coal mine. The incident was caused by a rock burst over the weekend and
killed at least two people. Authorities say one person was rescued on Monday.
The U.S. President says he'll begin cutting off aid to several central American countries as a caravan of migrants continues its trek toward the
United States. In a series of tweets, Donald Trump blamed Democrats for pathetic immigration laws.
[11:40:00] And he said he alerted border patrol of what he calls a national emergency.
Well it has been a long, grueling journey for thousands of migrants fleeing violence and poverty in their home countries, but they are determined to
find a better life elsewhere. CNN's Bill Weir is following the caravan from Mexico.
BILL WEIR, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After 24 hours stuck on a bridge between nations, the caravan finds another way. Most go back to
the Guatemala side and pay a few pesos for an inner tube ride, while others pry a hole in the fence and jump. Well the stress of it all is too much
for the sick and the weak. A few of the strongest manage to scavenge a ladder and rope and come back to help others down including a mother named
The migrants on the bank of the Suchiate gasp and cheer as she is lowered to the raft. Si podemos they chant. Yes, we can. After a splash of
relief from the heat and the thirst, she looks up anxiously for her babies. A 5-year-old daughter named Candy, 3-year-old son names Carlitos.
It is stunning to see him here. Because the day before I spotted him playing inside the Mexican gate. The little boy was fascinated by the riot
gear and helmets. And one member of the federales displayed touching humanity amid all the chaos.
I assume his family was among the lucky few allowed through for processing. But they were actually separated from Candy in the teargas panic. So,
Rosalin went back to find her and another way north.
(on camera): What made you decide to climb on to that ladder?
Rosalin Guillermo (through translator): To complete the dream that I have.
WEIR: This bridge, this river, they can't stop me, she says. I am an all- terrain woman.
But there are people who see what just happened and would say you're using your child as a shield to break the law.
I don't think we're abusing the kids, she says. We can't leave them at home. They have to eat. I want them to study, have a good future. I do
this for my kids. I ask you with all my heart, wouldn't your mother do the same for you.
Do you know President Trump is threatening to use soldiers to keep you out and he has even separated families? He's taken children like these away
from their mothers. You know this? She knows. But she says we have faith in God. He has the final word.
(voice-over): In town they are met with cheers from fellow travelers and a bid of Mexican hospitality. There is shelter here, advice from human
rights workers and precious nourishment for the kids. She borrows a phone to call her mom. They're OK, she tells her, and are not turning back.
They will rest here for the night, waiting for the caravan's strength in numbers and are back on the road at dawn. From here it is a 2,500-mile
walk to America.
KINKADE: Incredible reporting by our Bill Weir.
Well Mexican authorities say the huge crowd of migrants is now headed to Tapachula. A city about 40 kilometers from the Mexico/Guatemala border.
CNN's Patrick Oppmann is following the caravan on their journey. Joining us now from Tapachula. Good to have you with us. Is there any indication,
Patrick, of how many migrants have made it into Mexico and how many have applied for asylum?
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, despite the Mexican government's efforts at the border, there has been an absolute surge of people from this
caravan. Let me show you around where we are. This is the central plaza in Tapachula and it's become something of a refugee camp. Over here people
are getting food that's being handed out, and then you walk across this plaza a little bit and you can see people just sitting in the grass, trying
to get some shade. Because it is blisteringly hot. And this is where most of the migrants slept last night, some 7,500 migrants.
Organizers here tell us -- organizers of the caravan have poured across the border in the last several days and made it this far. They will leave here
today and they will go to the next town which is another 40 kilometers up the road. So, it's very, very slow. There are so many people, they just
do not fit into buses. There's only so many cars that they can ask for rides. Everyone seems like they're already out of money and that they are
hurting already from this long march.
We went with them for quite a ways yesterday. And the march in these conditions when you're carrying children, when you have your belongings,
you can see people with some pets, the possessions that they have, it really takes it out of them.
[11:45:01] Of course, Lynda, they are just beginning. They have so far to go to reach the U.S./Mexican border. Yesterday Mexican police threatened
to put everyone on buses and send them back or force them to go to shelters where they really don't have access. They're not able to leave on their
own volition. So, people here are very concerned that Mexican government is going to force them to head back. So, they're continuing forward, but
going at a very slow pace, of course. And it is a grueling journey -- Lynda.
KINKADE: yes, no doubt a grueling journey. Very hot conditions as well. Patrick Oppmann, good to have you with us on this story. Thanks so much.
This is CONNECT THE WORLD. Still to come, a pop stars like Taylor Swift get political, urging young people to vote ahead of the crucial U.S.
But first, the need for speed, we pay a visit to Abu Dhabi's one-stop shop for adrenaline-packed thrills.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (voice-over): This is the Yas Marina Circuit, a state-of-the-art racing track. Once a year it plays host to Formula One,
but the rest of the year it's open to everyone who wants an adrenaline- fueled experience of a lifetime. But who better to show us around than Formula 4 racing driver Amna Al Qubaisi.
AMNA AL QUBAISI, FORMULA 4 RACE CAR DRIVER: The speed always. The speed is what is the best experience ever. Yes, I'm an adrenaline junkie.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The Yas Marina Circuit offers racing experiences that are as close as you can get to the real thing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, I'm Nadia. Welcome.
AL QUBAISI: Hi, Nadia.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Welcome to Yas Marina Circuit. You ready for an experience of a lifetime?
AL QUBAISI: Yes, let's go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Nadia is Amna's instructor and will be with her throughout the experience.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you tried the corkscrew? Running the corkscrew
AL QUBAISI: No, I haven't tried the corkscrew.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: But before Amna gets behind the wheel, the safety briefing.
Good evening everyone. First, welcome to Yas Marina Circuit. My names Axel, I'm one of the safety instructors.
AL QUBAISI: The people here in Yas Marina -- the staff -- they are very helpful. They are very welcoming and very encouraging when you want to
take part in motorsports. They're always here to encourage you and to help you improve lap by lap. You get to drive on a track which has everything,
everything you've seen on TV, on Formula races. It's on a whole new level of racing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any question from anyone? Pretty clear?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Finally, it's time to hit the track.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Amna, comfortable?
AL QUBAISI: My driver is Daniel Ricardo. I try to follow his footsteps as where he's braking, where he turns.
[11:50:00] So, it's really cool to know that I'm driving on a circuit where an F1 driver used to drive.
DANIEL RICARDO, DRIVER: Yes, that's fine. Don't go off so much. Brake.
AL QUBAISI: I feel very nostalgic when I drive. I go past the corner and I look in the stands and I'm like, wow, this is what an F1 really see.
RICARDO: You want to stay all the way to the right side.
AL QUBAISI: The Yas Marina has been considered as one of the best circuits in the world. So, it has the best corners, it has fast corners, slow
corners, all the corners you need in basic tracks. I've driven many tracks and so now, Yas Marina is still my favorite track. It's something you
should try. I'm 100 percent sure you will love it.
KINKADE: Welcome back. Traditionally young people sit out on voting in the U.S. midterm elections. But this year polling indicates that young
people are more enthusiastic with pop stars like Taylor Swift and Beyonce pushing the cause. Young voters are planning to get out in historic
numbers. I met up with one of the singers teaming up with Taylor Swift and discussed how he plans to get people out to vote.
KINKADE (voice-over): He's collaborated with Arianna Grandy. Troye Sivan performed on "Saturday Night Live" and acted as a young wolverine in "X-
(on camera): What for you has been the highlight?
TROYE SIVAN, SINGER AND SONGWRITER: The moment that felt the most surreal was performing with Taylor Swift.
KINKADE (voice-over): At just 23 years old, Troye Sivan has a fan in Taylor Swift.
TAYLOR SWIFT, SINGER: I'm like super fan number one.
KINKADE: Now these young artists are not only making their voices heard. They're encouraging others to do the same.
SWIFT: Get out and vote. I love you guys.
KINKADE: Sivan, who grew up in Australia, has had two number one singles on the billboard dance club charts. His concert, the perfect draw card to
sign up first-time voters.
(on camera): Why is it important for you that young people come out to register to vote?
SIVAN: I see like the youth as, like incredibly fired up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, are you registered to vote?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you like to register?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awesome. Here you go.
KINKADE (voice-over): For over a decade, head count, a non-partisan organization has been registering voters. But it's no easy task.
(on camera): Typically, young people don't vote in the midterm elections. Last time when the Democrats lost control of the Senate only 23 percent of
young people age 18 to 35 voted. By far the smallest turnout of any age group.
[11:55:55] JESSICA JACKSON, TEAM LEADER OF HEADCOUNT: That's why events like this are crucial. People don't view the midterm elections as
important as the Presidential elections.
KINKADE: Nineteen-year-old Jessica Jackson is one of the HeadCount volunteer team leaders.
JACKSON: We registered about half a million voters since our organization began. We register like a couple thousand every year.
KINKADE: Taylor Swift urged young people to sign up at vote.org. That organization received 65,000 registrations in 24 hours. That's more than
it typically gets in a month.
(on camera): Why do you think it's important to vote?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because people died for the right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Honestly, I want it to count, but it's kind of -- I'm not very hopeful about how much it will actually matter.
KINKADE (voice-over): That's a sentiment shared by young people. Pew research found younger generations make up the majority of potential
voters, but they may not be the majority of actual voters this November. Taylor Swift and Troye Sivan have a clear message.
SIVAN: I want you to come out and do it. We have to make our voices heard. It's not a choice anymore.
KINKADE: They certainly do. We are just over two weeks from the U.S. midterm elections, and you can follow the countdown and the elections on
CNN's dedicated America's choice page.
I'm Lynda Kinkade. That was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thanks so much for joining me. I'll see you back here tomorrow.