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Video Shows Body Double Leaving Embassy after Khashoggi's Murder. Trump's Approval Ratings Reach New High in Latest Poll; Trump Amps Up Anti-Immigrant Rhetoric. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired October 22, 2018 - 07:00   ET

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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Fair enough.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you to our international viewers for watching. You have no legal jeopardy here. For you, "CNN TALK" is next. For our U.S. viewers, we have this remarkable and exclusive new video in the murder investigation of "Washington Post" journalist, Jamal Khashoggi. NEW DAY continues right now.

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CAMEROTA: OK. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. And we do begin with breaking news this morning, because CNN has obtained exclusive new video in the murder investigation of "Washington Post" columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

A senior Turkish official tells CNN that this shocking new surveillance video that we are about to show you shows that the journalist's murder was premeditated and not the result of a fistfight, as the Saudis claim. The kingdom continues to deny that the crown prince has any involvement in Khashoggi's death.

President Trump is now facing more pressure to confront the Saudis. The president now admits, quote, "There has been deception and lies" in the Saudis' account.

BERMAN: We're going to get to that remarkable video in just a moment.

Also this morning, obviously, we're in the final stretch of the midterm elections, just 15 days away, but early voting begins today in Texas and Florida. That's right. You can go to the polls right now.

A new CNN polls reveals a big advantage for Democrats in Florida, while another new poll that does give Democrats an edge in November, but it has some good news for Republicans, the president's approval rating hitting a new high. Does that mean that Republicans have a chance of maintaining control of the House?

We have it all covered for you, but we want to begin with this remarkable exclusive. CNN international correspondent Clarissa Ward in Turkey. Clarissa, what have you learned?

CLARISSA WARD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, Turkish officials here telling CNN that they are under no illusions. They believe the killing of Jamal Khashoggi was murder and that it was premedicated, and they now believe, as well, that the Saudis actually flew in a body double to pose as Jamal Khashoggi leaving the consulate to cover it up.

CNN has obtained exclusive surveillance footage. This is part of the government investigation, and it appears to show just that. Take a look.

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WARD (voice-over): At first glance, this man could almost pass for Jamal Khashoggi, and that's the idea. These are the last known images of Khashoggi alive moments before he entered the Saudi consulate. Take a look. Same clothes, same glasses and beard, similar age and physique, everything except the shoes.

But a senior Turkish official tells CNN that the man on the left is body double, one of 15 Saudi operatives sent to kill Khashoggi and then cover it up.

His name is Mustafa al-Madani. Surveillance cameras capture him arriving at the consulate in a plaid shirt and jeans at 11:03 with an accomplice. Two hours later, Khashoggi arrives. He was killed inside shortly afterwards.

(on camera): While Khashoggi's fiancee waited in front of the consulate, we're told al-Madani came out through this back exit. Disturbingly, he appears to have been wearing the actual clothing of the murdered journalist. The intent, Turkish investigators say, was to perpetuate the lie that Jamal Khashoggi left the double left the consulate unharmed.

(voice-over): The apparent double and his companion take a taxi to Sultan Ahmed Mosque. It's Istanbul's main tourist attractions and an easy place to get lost in a crowd.

The men head to the bathroom. The accomplice carries a plastic bag. When they emerge, al-Madani is wearing his own clothes again.

(on camera): And just like that, Jamal Khashoggi has disappeared forever, or so the Saudis would have had the world believe. Little did they know Turkish authorities would quickly uncover the cover-up.

(voice-over): From their next stop at a nearby restaurant, where al- Madani appears to have ditched his fake beard, to a Dumpster, where the men finally dump the plastic bag. The senior official says investigators believe it likely contained Khashoggi's clothes.

As they head back to their hotel, the pair appear visibly relaxed. Their mission is complete.

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WARD: So this does give you a better sense of why the Saudis were touting the line initially that Khashoggi left the consulate unharmed, but it does create the question of why didn't they release footage to support that, even if it was of the decoy, if they had gone to all this effort?

The answer may be either that they expected the Turkish surveillance cameras to have picked up on it and to release it themselves, or it may be that they understood pretty early on after their planes were being searched by Turkish intelligence officers, that the Turks were essentially on to their cover-up story.

And just a couple of other headlines coming out here today. Turkish authorities once again interviewing several people who worked in the consulate behind me. And also, President Erdogan, the Turkish president, due to speak tomorrow. It will be very interesting to see what he has to say about Saudi Arabia's behavior -- John, Alisyn.

[07:05:17] CAMEROTA: Clarissa, such remarkable reporting on your part that you were able to get this surveillance video and show it to the world. People haven't seen it yet.

And so one more time, we just want to put up this split screen that shows he's not -- I mean, the feeling of the Turkish officials is not that he's wearing clothes that are similar to Khashoggi's. He's wearing the murdered journalist's clothing.

And Clarissa, tell us one more time. Of the 15 people who went in on this assignment from Saudi Arabia, there's something different about this man. He's not like the rest of them. It does not appear that he just --

WARD: No.

CAMEROTA: -- went in randomly. He was chosen as a body double.

WARD: No. I mean, it may be that the Saudis try to spin this as, oh, this was improvised. This was part of the hasty cover-up. But you have to ask yourself, al-Madani is 57 years old. The other operatives on this mission, most of them, were in their 20s and 30s. Why would somebody who's practically a senior citizen be accompanying on this mission, given his height, given his weight, given the physical resemblance.

You know, the two main things that don't resemble Khashoggi when you look at those two images next to each other: the hair -- not much you can do about that -- and the shoes. I found that one interesting, Alisyn, because you can't fake the size of shoes. Essentially, he may have tried on Khashoggi's shoes, found they did not fit and decided he would just have to wear his own sneakers. But it's that kind of sloppiness that Turkish authorities were very quickly able to pick up on.

BERMAN: Look, you bring a body double and a bone saw and 15 other people to this confrontation, and the Saudis are trying to still have us believe that it was not premedicated. That is remarkable.

And they also continue to try to say that the crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman, not connected to it in any way, as well. And that is something they continue to try to do, Clarissa? WARD: That is something they are continuing to do, but I will say

they have said that the killing wasn't premeditated. It's still possible, or it's possible they will try to present it as it was a potential abduction; it was an attempted rendition. They may still have tried to use a body double in that circumstance to give them plausible deniability.

But no matter what, John, their story is changing. It's changing every five minutes, and it doesn't look good for them.

CAMEROTA: Clarissa, thank you very much for all of this reporting.

Joining us now we have CNN political analyst David Gregory; CNN senior political reporter Nia-Malika Henderson; and author of CNN's "The Point," Chris Cillizza, who is in studio with us.

Chris Cillizza, what happens today when the Trump administration and the president wake up and see CNN and see Clarissa's wonderful reporting of this exclusive video? Now what happens to the narrative?

CHRIS CILLIZZA, CNN POLITICS CORRESPONDENT AND EDITOR AT LARGE: Well, let's remember where Donald Trump has been since Friday. On Friday, he said he believed the Saudi story that it was a fistfight gone wrong.

Saturday evening in an interview at "The Washington Post," he said there's some serious deception, his words, going on. That is evolution but -- look, I just don't know how you look at this, and to John's point, body double plus bone saw, plus the number of people --

CAMEROTA: One of whom was a coroner, the country's expert on autopsies.

CILLIZZA: Right. I mean, it doesn't take sort of a conspiracy theorist to connect these dots. In fact, they are already basically connected here.

Now, we have seen Donald Trump in the past deny things that seem obvious. One example: Russian attempts to interfere in the election, that the U.S. intelligence community said unanimously happened, he said, "I don't know. It might have happened. Might have been China, might have been someone else." So he has the capacity to deny it.

He has said repeatedly that that large-scale arms deal, he does not want to lose that money, does not want to lose that relationship. He has basically cast these things against one another.

And remember, this is not someone who has had a very sterling record when it comes to human rights. He repeatedly doesn't bring it up with countries, doesn't talk about it because of other concerns. Well, what matters more? We're going to find that out.

BERMAN: Look, I have to say, I think we have the White House response already. The president called "The Washington Post," talked to Josh Dawsey -- we'll speak to Josh next hour -- and says, yes, there were deception, yes, there lies but no, he doesn't seem to care about it, Nia.

I mean, it seems to me the White House is saying, "Yes, at this point you know what? We think the Saudis spun this the whole way. They lied to us, but it isn't going to change the nature of our relationship." Am I wrong?

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: I think that's right. And that's essentially where he's been this entire time. He was really, I think, one of the first people to float this idea that this was sort of a rogue, off-the-books killing that his -- that the crown prince knew nothing about it.

[07:10:07] And that seems to be where he is at this point, this idea that this arms deal that's about $110 billion is too valuable to give up, that the relationship that the countries have forged, not just with this president but previous presidents, too, it isn't worth scuttling that over this incident. So we'll see what happens going forward.

We've obviously heard from Republicans, as well. It's sort of the usual suspects, people like Lindsey Graham, people like Bob Corker. They have suggested that something would happen. But, again, we've seen this from Republicans before, sort of talking tough but then not really willing to go the full distance and go against this president.

We'll see what they will do. They're obviously on break right now because of -- because of the mid-term elections. They have so far just been on cable news talking about it. We'll see if that changes. But this is a president who, once he sort of forges a relationship with somebody and he sees that relationship as positive and he sees that person as somebody who likes him, it's very difficult to get him to turn, of course.

And I think he is getting some backing not from sort of official Washington but certainly the chattering class of Republicans, essentially saying this is something that isn't worth scuttling, this relationship. So that in some ways, I think, is what he's listening to and what his gut tells him, as well.

CAMEROTA: David Gregory, your thoughts?

DAVID GREGORY, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, the real problem for the administration and the problem with kind of thinking out loud, which is what the president has done over the past two weeks since this story has broken is that you really start to limit yourself, and your options are limited to begin with.

The reality is that we have a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia that is built on interests and not values. Going back decades, of course, one of the biggest flash points was when there were 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and all the money that the Saudis poured into Islamic extremism. That relationship was still held in tact because of the cooperation necessary for both Gulf Wars for the oil market for some cooperation on Israel and to counter Iran, which has been a big issue throughout the 2000s, and it is, of course, critically important to this administration. Our cooperation in Yemen.

So you have excesses even before this that any administration would be concerned about. But the question is what do you do?

The president has been all over the place here. I don't think he's answered a fundamental question that he ought to be concerned about, which is why would the crown prince -- why would the Saudi rulers think they could get away with something this brazen and this grisly? And for a president who prides himself on standing up to people and being a tough guy, and America's not going to be kicked around any more, I haven't heard a satisfactory answer to that question.

So now, I think Chris is right. He's been all over the place, but he cannot believe that the Saudis are telling the truth, because they're not. And now he's got to look at a limited sweep of consequences that he's got to bring to bear against the Saudis.

BERMAN: To your credit, David, I think one of the questions that hasn't been answered is that very question: why did the Saudis think they should get away with it?

I do think there's another reason why the White House and the president feels that they can be all over the place on this, because I don't think they fundamentally believe that any voters --

CILLIZZA: That's right.

BERMAN: -- are going to head to the polls in 15 days --

CILLIZZA: Yes.

BERMAN: -- on this issue. Let's leave that behind us, Chris. If Democrats are waking up this morning 15 days before the midterms, are they waking up happy or are they waking up nervous?

CILLIZZA: I think if you look at the broad sweep of data, they still should be happy. I always remind people, look at history. There have been three elections since the Civil War in which the president's party didn't lose seats in the House: 1934, 1998 and 2002. Great Depression, Monica Lewinsky scandal, September 11 aftermath.

This would be hugely anomalous if Republicans didn't lose seats. Now, no one is suggesting they're not going to use some seats. The issue is do they lose to 23? I still think it's more likely than not, because I think a number of seats are already too far gone. That is, a lot of these Republican open seats, some Republican incumbents just can't be saved at this point.

Now, the issue is how big those gains are, and not inconsequential for me to say -- question as it relates to governing. A two-seat majority for Democrats or Republicans in the House, you think things have been bad thus far in terms of not getting a lot done, would be far worst.

So the question is can they win 40-plus seats and have Democrats have a real governing majority? Or are we talking something where they gain 22, 25. And you're really talking about what is essentially a split down the middle House going into a presidential race that has already sort of begun but will absolutely begin the day after the election. And you're talking about almost zero policy and a whole lot of politics.

CAMEROTA: Yes. Let's look at the president's approval ratings, because they have gone up. So the latest NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll shows the president at 47 percent approval. He was just in the low 40s earlier, a couple of weeks ago. And 49 percent disapprove.

[07:15:12] And if you look at that in context of where President Obama was at this time in his term as the midterms approached, he is higher than where President Obama was in 2010. So again, Donald Trump 47 percent. At that time, Barack Obama 45 percent. What do you think is going on behind the numbers, Nia?

HENDERSON: You know, I think Republicans are essentially coming home, and I think we did see somewhat of a rallying effect of the Kavanaugh hearings, the post-Kavanaugh hearings, Kavanaugh confirmation reminding Republicans of why they sort of held their noses in 2016 and voted for this president. They wanted that Supreme Court seat. They ended up getting two. So I think that's something that's going on.

If you look at those numbers, Obama was at 45 percent. You've got Trump here at 47 percent. Remember, Obama still got that shellacking, right, back in 2010 and didn't do so well in 2014 either.

There is, of course, a correlation between those approval ratings and how the party does. You know, there are 15 days to go. Obviously, there's voting under way already. If you look in some of those suburban districts, I think to Chris's point, a lot of those districts are gone. You see Republicans already pulling some money out of some of these districts in Colorado and Virginia, as well. That probably won't change.

But listen, if you're a Democrat, you're nervous. If you're a Democrat you're always nervous, but I think you still have reason to think that you're going to do well on election day, particularly in the House. In the Senate, it's still an open question.

GREGORY: It -- it's also disturbing. I mean, if you look at both parties, what they are really selling their supporters is anger and fear. Those are the -- that's the vision for the country, which is pretty ugly during an ugly time following an ugly political episode with the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh.

But to Nia's point, the fact that the conservatives are coming home, that Republicans are coming home, what the Kavanaugh fight united for Donald Trump were all ends of the Republican Party. One of the reasons he's done so well among conservatives is because he was -- he really stuck to the script on who to put forward as Supreme Court justices. And I think he's reaping those gains, and on top of that, because of how contentious it was. There's been a cultural split as a result of Kavanaugh on some of the questions, and there's just a lot of energy out there.

So I think for Democrats, you know, they have to acknowledge that energy on the right, as well, and for them understand that this is a longer term game that they're playing. A big data point with these midterm elections and then as they approach 2020.

BERMAN: We've some some early voting already happening in Nevada, Florida and Texas, so we'll see some of that enthusiasm, some of that actual data over the next few days. We're looking forward to that.

David Gregory, Nia-Malika Henderson, Chris Cillizza, thank you one and all.

CAMEROTA: OK. President Trump adopting the line "jobs not mobs" for the final stretch of the mid-term elections. Will the politics of fear help Republicans keep control of Congress, and what about facts?

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[07:22:05] CAMEROTA: President Trump will head to Houston today to campaign for a former rival in 2016, Republican Senator Ted Cruz. This comes as the president is ramping up his rhetoric on the caravan of thousands of Central Americans pushing into Mexico.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't think we like sanctuary cities up here. By the way, a lot of people in California don't want them either. They're rioting now. They want to get out of their sanctuary cities.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CAMEROTA: Joining us now, we have Matt Schlapp, former political director for George W. Bush and chairman of the American Conservative Union. Good morning, Matt.

MATT SCHLAPP, FORMER POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR GEORGE W. BUSH: Good morning, Alisyn. How are you?

CAMEROTA: I'm well.

So the president seemed to be in a bit of a fact-free frenzy this weekend. He said a lot of claims that there's no evidence that the facts don't support. For instance, you just heard. Where were people rioting in California this weekend?

SCHLAPP: What I heard him say, maybe I don't know specifically what you're referring to, is the fact that we have these people coming up. Now they've come to Mexico, this caravan, as he calls them, these people, this mob of folks that is coming to the border and trying to use our own tolerance and decency as an American people against us by rushing the border and trying to get in, in a way that's not legal. And I think that's inappropriate.

CAMEROTA: Hold on, Matt. Hold on a second. The president, you just heard him say, he said that people are so upset about it in California they're rioting; a lot of people are rioting this weekend. Again, I mean, Matt, my point is, this -- this didn't happen. There's

no evidence of that. And so as we approach the midterms, it would be helpful for the president of the United States to use facts. And when he doesn't, we have to fact check him.

He's wrong about a lot of stuff with the caravan. He's wrong about --

SCHLAPP: I don't think that's right. No, I think this is -- let's talk about these questions about immigration.

Actually, Donald Trump has proven to be durably correct that our immigration system is completely broken, if -- you know, we talk about DREAMers all the time, which he wants to find a legal way for them to stay. But if you come to the border today with a child, it doesn't even have to be your own child. You will get entrance into our country. You will jump the line from people who were waiting, immigrants in this country that have family members waiting in line --

CAMEROTA: And will you get -- just a -- just a fact check, will you get a luxury car?

SCHLAPP: What did you say?

CAMEROTA: Will you get a luxury car given to you?

SCHLAPP: You get all kinds of -- what the Democrats want to do in every one of these things is give them --

CAMEROTA: Matt, will you get a luxury car?

SCHLAPP: You get Obamacare.

CAMEROTA: Matt --

SCHLAPP: You get a telephone. You get all kinds of thing. I don't know about a car. I haven't heard about a car, but I mean, you get all kinds of programs.

CAMEROTA: Matt, you don't get a Rolls Royce. You don't get a luxury car. George Soros doesn't meet you at the border handing out millions of dollars. All of this --

SCHLAPP: I don't --

CAMEROTA: Matt.

SCHLAPP: Who's paying for the caravan? Alisyn, who's paying for the caravan. I'd like to know.

CAMEROTA: Matt.

SCHLAPP: Put a reporter on it. Who's paying for it.

CAMEROTA: We have a reporter on it. Let me answer your question.

SCHLAPP: You think this is spontaneous. CAMEROTA: You asked me a question and let me answer.

SCHLAPP: Yes, I'd like that.

CAMEROTA: We have journalists along the way.

SCHLAPP: Sure.

CAMEROTA: This is not -- no one is paying for the caravan. Poor people are marching 2,700 --

[07:25:04] SCHLAPP: No. Nope.

CAMEROTA: -- 2,700 miles, Matt. And guess what? There's video, actually, of people being handed bills. And it -- you probably think that they're being handed -- I don't know -- hundred-dollar bills. It's a 25-cent food voucher for the women and children in the line. That's the video that people have paid a lot of attention to.

SCHLAPP: Alisyn, nobody -- nobody in their right mind thinks that four or 5,000 people spontaneously got together, met on a corner in Guatemala, and decided to take this long trip that you just described. This is a very harrowing trip.

CAMEROTA: Matt, you don't --

SCHLAPP: It takes huge logistical support.

CAMEROTA: -- you don't think these people are motivated because of the conditions in their country?

SCHLAPP: I think -- what I think is wonderful about them is they know America is a better place to live, and I think it's a better place to live, as well. One of the reasons it's a better place to live is that we are a nation of laws, and you have to follow the law.

And unfortunately, because of liberal judges and other people that intercede, including George Soros, we have too much chaos at our southern border.

Look, the American people look at Donald Trump, whether they like him or don't like him, and on this question of immigration, Alisyn, it's one of the reasons why his numbers are improving, because it seems like we have a chaotic system that needs --

CAMEROTA: It does seem like it, Matt, but that's the problem.

SCHLAPP: It's the truth.

CAMEROTA: The facts don't support it, Matt.

SCHLAPP: No, you're wrong. You say that -- you say --

CAMEROTA: Matt, this isn't our southern border. They're not at our southern border. They're at Mexico's southern border.

SCHLAPP: They are coming to our southern border and this is not the first one.

CAMEROTA: Matt --

SCHLAPP: And you know that. You know that!

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about that, Matt.

SCHLAPP: Sure.

CAMEROTA: Because remember the last caravan --

SCHLAPP: Yes.

CAMEROTA: -- that caused so much attention. You know how many people from that caravan were granted asylum at our border?

SCHLAPP: I assume you're going to tell me.

CAMEROTA: I am. Three. Three people. We have rules, Matt. We have rules.

SCHLAPP: How many people?

CAMEROTA: No, let me answer. People can come here, and they can apply for asylum. That's legal.

SCHLAPP: Now let me go. Now let me go.

CAMEROTA: And guess what? We vet them, and three people were granted asylum.

SCHLAPP: How many thousands of people a month are allowed to get asylum in this country because they show up with a child or somebody else's child?

CAMEROTA: You know the vetting is more complicated than that.

SCHLAPP: Let me give you a number. About 50,000.

CAMEROTA: No, Matt.

SCHLAPP: And this is the problem we have.

CAMEROTA: Fifty thousand people a month are not granted asylum here, no.

SCHLAPP: How many -- OK, how many thousands? You tell me, how many thousands a month --

CAMEROTA: Three from the last caravan.

SCHLAPP: No, you're wrong. In fact, let's do this. Why don't we get this? Why don't we do this? I think this will be the best thing. Is that as -- if I come on and we're going to talk about this subject, let's get the numbers from the Department of Homeland Security. Every month they put them out. And maybe my number's wrong, because I didn't look it up, because I didn't expect this to be where we were going this morning, but I'm happy to look it up. It's easy googleable. It's not three a month, Alisyn. And the fact is, is that --

CAMEROTA: I'm telling you from the last caravan.

SCHLAPP: When you come -- when you come to this southern border, if you grab a child, any child, and come to the border, guess what? You have a large chance of getting legal status to stay in the country.

CAMEROTA: That's just not true. You just don't automatically -- you know -- have more faith in what the -- our folks --

SCHLAPP: I have great faith.

CAMEROTA: -- our Americans at the border are doing.

SCHLAPP: I have great faith.

CAMEROTA: They don't just blindly give you asylum. There's a huge vetting process, and you know that.

SCHLAPP: They are trying --

CAMEROTA: Matt, I think the point of all this --

SCHLAPP: Can I talk?

CAMEROTA: No.

SCHLAPP: OK.

CAMEROTA: Because I think that the larger issue here is the fear mongering. The fear mongering --

SCHLAPP: The what?

CAMEROTA: The fear mongering.

SCHLAPP: There's no fear mongering.

CAMEROTA: Yes, Matt.

SCHLAPP: Is there 4,000 people trying to come to our country illegally or not, Alisyn? Is that true?

CAMEROTA: Matt -- I don't know. They're 2,5000 miles away. I don't think 4,000 people are going to make it. You know the attrition that happens as they walk across Mexico, because they're desperate. They're not at our border. They're at Mexico's

SCHLAPP: You think -- do you think they're trying to get to our border or not? I think they are. They say they are. I don't think they're lying.

CAMEROTA: I don't know that they're going to be able to make it, Matt. And by the way, when they do make it, we have laws and we vet people. And so the fear mongering --

SCHLAPP: So what you're saying is --

CAMEROTA: -- something is happening in another country, but there are marauding bands of people coming to our country. It's just not a fact.

SCHLAPP: It is a fact, and the truth is, is this, when we're going to talk about immigration, let's make sure we have -- you say I am lying and that the president is lying. You say that you can't come into this country through the southern border in any way other than the legal way.

And I'm telling you is that what happens is you get in through the southern border. You get temporary status, and if you don't report to your first hearing, you are in this country for as long as you want to be. We have a porous border, and that's why the American people are upset.

Look, I think people in America are very tolerant when it comes to immigration, but they are not tolerant with the idea that people are using our system against us. And that's what's happening.

CAMEROTA: Matt, I understand -- hold on.

SCHLAPP: To say that only three people have gotten status -- that only three people have gotten legal status since the last caravan, that is flatly untrue.

CAMEROTA: It's not -- I didn't say that, Matt. Not from last -- not since the last caravan.

SCHLAPP: You said three people

CAMEROTA: The last caravan. That's how many from the last caravan.

SCHLAPP: How many come a month? How many come a day?

CAMEROTA: Matt --

SCHLAPP: This is happening every day at the border, Alisyn. Every day.

CAMEROTA: I understand, but we have a process. This is a legal process. You can't come to --

SCHLAPP: We have a broken process.

CAMEROTA: You can come to the United States and seek asylum. That's legal. In fact there used to be a time that we opened our arms to people who wanted to come.

SCHLAPP: We still do. We still do.

CAMEROTA: But hold on one second, Matt.