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Trump Admits 'No Proof' of His Caravan Claims; Texts Cast Doubt on Gillum's 'Hamilton' Ticket Explanation. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired October 24, 2018 - 06:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's no proof of anything, of anything. But they could very well be.

[05:59:30] ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Just yet another example of how he stokes fear and loathing into the electorate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The caravan will not cross our southern border illegally under any circumstances.

TRUMP: We're putting in a tax reduction of 10 percent. It will be great for the middle class.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As far as we can tell, Trump may have made it up on the fly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're working through the Ways and Means. It may not surface for a while.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, October 24, 6 a.m. here in New York.

And can I say, you look like 1.6 billion bucks today.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I haven't checked my ticket. I might have won.

BERMAN: I assume you won the --

CAMEROTA: I haven't checked my ticket yet. It's possible that I did won.

BERMAN: Have you been in South Carolina in the last week or two?

CAMEROTA: Are they sure there's only one ticket from South Carolina? Last time we played, which was last week, we won 22 bucks. OK?

BERMAN: Which is a lot like $1.6 billion. CAMEROTA: Well, we didn't lose. I'm going to check the ticket before

9 a.m. and let you all know how much richer I am.

BERMAN: Let me tell you. The fact that the lights are on in the studio and the fact that you're all here, is an indication to me you won nothing.

CAMEROTA: We'll see about that.

BERMAN: You know who did win something last night?

CAMEROTA: Who?

BERMAN: The Boston Red Sox.

CAMEROTA: Oh, my gosh.

BERMAN: The Boston Red Sox.

CAMEROTA: Meaning you.

BERMAN: Well, I am a part of the team. They -- game one of the World Series. There's me, hitting a home run, a three-run pinch-hit homerun.

CAMEROTA: Nice.

BERMAN: So you can see --

CAMEROTA: There you are running the bases.

BERMAN: Yes. There I am running the bases. It's really -- it was really exciting for me. I occasionally look like Eduardo Nunez at night.

CAMEROTA: Congratulations. I'm thrilled for you.

BERMAN: And I also did not win $1.6 billion.

Other news: The president now tells us there's no proof of anything. There's no proof of anything, no proof of his assertion that there are unknown Middle Easterners in that group of migrants in Southern Mexico. So whoever would have guessed that there was no proof for his claim? Who could have guessed that?

CAMEROTA: I remember us talking about it a lot yesterday.

BERMAN: Everyone.

CAMEROTA: OK.

BERMAN: Everyone could have guessed that there was no evidence of it. Everyone from junior aides to the vice president, they were left trying to justify his fact-free claim. And how did he reward them? By completely admitting there's no proof and never was. So why did he do it? Maybe it has something to do with one of his new favorite labels for himself: nationalist. He likes it and claims he's never heard the term associated with white nationalism.

CAMEROTA: The president also, you'll recall, promised a new tax cut before the midterm elections. This surprised Republicans in Congress and White House officials, because Congress is in recess until after the election. He's now claiming that it will happen after the midterms, which sounds like the check is in the mail.

We are less than two weeks before voters go to the polls. So let's begin our coverage with CNN's Abby Phillip. She is live at the White House, where it has been a busy 24 hours of fact checking -- Abby.

ABBY PHILLIP, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That is absolutely right, Alisyn, as usual. And the White House is actually doubling down and trying to defend President Trump's claim that there are terrorists among the migrants coming up in that caravan.

But while the president has been pressed to explain that and many of the other outlandish claims he's been making on the campaign trail, of late, he has offered little in the way of proof.

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TRUMP: There's no proof of anything. There's no proof of anything, but they could very well be.

PHILLIP (voice-over): President Trump admitting there is no basis for his unproven claim that Middle Easterners are among the caravan of Central American migrants making their way through Mexico in hopes of reaching the United States.

But the president continuing to try to use the issue to drive Republican voter turnout.

TRUMP: They don't have to necessarily be in that group. But certainly, you have people coming up through the southern border from the Middle East and other places that are not appropriate for our country.

PHILLIP: Vice President Mike Pence also floating a new conspiracy theory.

MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The caravan that is now making its way through Mexico, headed for the southern border, was organized by leftist organizations and financed by Venezuela.

PHILLIP: CNN has found no evidence to support either claim.

The caravan is about 1,000 miles away from the southern border of the United States, and Mexican authorities say almost 3,000 people have requested asylum there so far, mostly women, teenagers and children.

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D), MARYLAND: The people that are in this caravan, many are in desperate situations. It's a humanitarian need. The United States should be out there to try to help.

PHILLIP: Surrounded by senior military commanders, President Trump once again threatening to send the military to the border.

TRUMP: Not just the National Guard. The military is what I'm thinking about.

PHILLIP: But offering no details about how that would work.

TRUMP: They can do a lot. They're the military. Right, fellows?

PHILLIP: The president also touting his new promise to impose a 10 percent tax cut for the middle class.

TRUMP: We're putting in a resolution probably this week.

PHILLIP: A senior Republican aide tells CNN, "It's a talking point. It's something to talk about in the lead-up to the election. Nothing more."

Nevertheless, the president telling "The Wall Street Journal" the plan will be revenue neutral but giving no details about how.

The national deficit has ballooned to $779 billion, fueled in large part by the Trump administration's first round of tax cuts.

SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D), MARYLAND: He wants a do-over, because as he travels around the country, he realized that working-class and working folks aren't really benefiting from that tax cut.

PHILLIP: Democrats seizing on remarks by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell about cutting entitlement programs to address the deficit.

[0:05:07] SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER: There's been a bipartisan reluctance to tackle entitlement changes.

PHILLIP: President Trump also told "The Journal" that he sees the Federal Reserve as the biggest risk to the economy, and understated the size of the massive tariffs he's implemented, claiming that blaming tariffs is "a good excuse for some incompetent guy that's making $25 million a year."

The Trump administration has imposed tariffs on billions of dollars of goods this year.

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PHILLIP: And President Trump today is expected to meet with his CIA director, Gina Haskell. Now, Haskell just returned from Turkey, where she was getting briefed on the ongoing investigation into the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, that "Washington Post" journalist who is expected to brief the president about what she learned on that trip. Meanwhile, later today, President Trump is heading to Wisconsin to campaign for Governor Scott Walker -- John and Alisyn.

BERMAN: All right. Abby Phillip for us at the White House. Abby, great to have you there this morning. No leaf blower, I will note. Joining us now --

CAMEROTA: That is breaking news.

BERMAN: Yes. We don't know why. We don't know why.

PHILLIP: They're there somewhere. They are out there somewhere.

BERMAN: There is is, there it is, there it is.

Thank you. We know that the TVs are tuned to CNN in the West Wing.

All right. CNN senior political analyst John Avlon joins us. Also, CNN political commentator Joe Lockhart, and Alice Stewart is here, as well.

Each of you --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's like --

BERMAN: -- has been a staffer for a politician before, so I think each of you have heart palpitations when you see what the president just did, which is to say there's no proof of anything two days after dragging everyone who works for him and the entire administration, the entire U.S. government, behind him to try to justify his claims that there are Middle Easterners in the caravan. He said, "You know what? There's no proof of anything." The vice president is one of them.

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, the vice president of the United States did what he does in his best supporting actor nominee role and -- and just slathered himself up in the Oval, trying to defend the president's baseless claim, trying to dress it up, make it a little more respectable.

CAMEROTA: Do you want to hear it?

AVLON: Sure, let's listen to it.

CAMEROTA: All right. Here you go.

Stand by.

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PENCE: At the president's direction, I spoke to President Hernandez of Honduras. He told me that the caravan is now making its way through Mexico, headed by the southern border. It was organized by leftist organizations and financed by Venezuela.

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CAMEROTA: I'm sure the president of Honduras has no self-interest in putting the responsibility on someone else for the mass exodus.

AVLON: Right, right.

CAMEROTA: It is poverty-stricken. AVLON: And I am no fan of Maduro in Venezuela. Later on, the vice president went on to say it's inconceivable there were no Middle Easterners in that caravan. Only to have the president slightly later say, "Just kidding. Actually, there's no proof. But thanks, Mike. I appreciate it. I know you're in my camp."

That's just -- you know, his ability to shame his strongest supporters, let alone creating the staff scurry to try to find facts or policies that back the president's statement --

CAMEROTA: Retroactively.

AVLON: -- that -- that is the -- that is the open window into the state of the administration that, I think, folks need to understand. It goes way beyond criminology. It is -- it's just -- that is how chaotic things are from the top. Captain Chaos.

BERMAN: You know, Alice, you watched the same thing. The "New York Times" and "The Washington Post" both have great articles on it this morning. One calling it backfilling the president's statement, the other reverse engineering it. It's got to be hard when your boss makes stuff up.

ALICE STEWART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Certainly. And as if on cue, shortly after these statements were made, the DHS went on Twitter and put out some information that some members of this caravan were members from outside of Central America. And were from --

CAMEROTA: Previously.

STEWART: -- the Middle East. Yes.

CAMEROTA: Previously, right? They said previous caravans. Not even this -- they don't even have the information on this caravan.

STEWART: And -- and even some gang members in the caravan, as if to show some type of support for these statements.

But is nothing new. I mean, a factually-challenged president was a factually-challenged candidate and was elected the president of the United States.

But that being said, I do think, in a lot of these statements that he makes, he throws it out there and assumes that his voters aren't going to fact check his information. But in a lot of these golden elaborations that he makes, there is a nugget of truth with him.

And what he's getting out here is that, look, there's a serious problem with this caravan coming to the border. And this is an effort for him to call attention to a big issue for him, which is immigration and being strong on the border. And this is a way for him to show, "I'm going to get a handle on this. This is what I campaigned and won on, and I'm going to do it again."

CAMEROTA: They're thousands of miles away from the U.S. border. STEWART: Right, right.

CAMEROTA: If they're traveling at 20 miles a day on average, it will take months at that pace for them to get to the U.S. border. This actually is not a problem for the -- immigration, we all know, yes, need to be comprehensively solved. We all get it. But this caravan is actually not a midterm problem for the U.S. It's a midterm problem for Mexico right now. Not the U.S.

[06:10:07] JOE LOCKHART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I mean, again, I think the -- to pick up on John's point, you can't shame the shameless. The -- a traditional politician, if they lied over and over again, you know, other politicians, media, you know, critics would come, and they'd feel some shame; and they'd be shamed into telling the truth. He's shameless, so there's nothing you can do.

You know, to the extent, some of this is working. We're talking about it. That's what he wants. He doesn't want to talk about the fact that Republicans have voted over 60 times in the last Congress to repeal preexisting conditions and now magically are running an ad saying they're for it, which is -- which is a feat.

But with Trump, you just can't -- you just can't shame him. And as -- you know as a staffer, you would think he'd give up. I know why -- and I fully understand why Sarah Sanders doesn't do briefings anymore. Because you just don't know -- you know, you know you're going to get thrown under the bus. You just don't know what row you're going to end up in.

BERMAN: Just one last point on the facts here, which is that the president trying to create the notion that this is a crisis, and I'll just hold up my favorite chart, which is the immigration chart.

CAMEROTA: Get out your microscopes.

BERMAN: No, but you can see the trends here. You can see it. This is 2000. That's how many illegal border crossing arrests there were in 2000. And then way down at the bottom is where we are today. It's historically low here.

LOCKHART: And there's -- and there's nobody out there on the Democratic side arguing that this, 3,000, 4,000, 7,000 people should be able to come in unfettered. What the Democrats are arguing is we should follow the law, and the law is you come and you apply for asylum. Most people are not granted asylum. They will have to -- it's tragic, but they will not be able to come to the United States.

CAMEROTA: Of the last caravan that came in, we have CNN reporting the last caravan came, when there was all the hue and cry about them. Three people from that caravan were granted asylum.

LOCKHART: Yes, and --

BERMAN: Let me tell you -- hang on one second, Alice, because this is -- this is the key point here. The question is why? What has this done and why is the president doing this? Let me tell you, Alisyn, you can weigh in on this. What I heard from one, really two Republican strategists yesterday, which is that they think still on balance, Democrats still take the House unless -- unless we keep putting pictures up of this caravan for the next two weeks. They think, Republicans think, strategists think if this caravan is in the news for two more weeks, they have a shot at winning the midterms. This, to them, is political gold.

STEWART: It is, I think, in regard to the Senate races, because those are a completely different dynamic as to how those states play out, the red districts that Trump basically won. I think the House will certainly be a lot more challenging.

But I do want to follow up on one note with regard to these asylum seekers. Look, just last year alone, customs and Border Patrol agents processed 94,000 of these people once they'd come into this country. Many of them didn't qualify to seek asylum, but once they're here, due to the Democrat-backed policies of catch and release, once they're here, if they don't -- if they decide not to come back to court, they don't have to. And of those 94,000 that came here, only -- 99 percent of them are still in this country.

So I think we have to look at the fact, once they get here, they are free to stay in this country, disappear, if you will, due to the catch and release policies of the Democrats. And that's the concern.

CAMEROTA: We don't have all those. Alice, I'm not -- I'm not doubting you, but we don't have all those stats at our fingertips.

What we have heard is that the -- from the immigration folks is that the vast majority do show up for their court cases, because they do want to be able to stay here legally and go through the process of becoming asylum seekers or citizens.

So that that is a meme that's not true that they just vanish into the night. That's not what the vast majority of them do. But I understand that catch and release is a problem, and I don't think anybody is saying otherwise. That's why people on at least the Democratic side are looking -- and Republicans that we talked to -- are looking for comprehensive immigration reform, John.

AVLON: And comprehensive immigration reform should have been done. Republicans have blocked it in the past. George W. Bush tried to pass it; couldn't get the right-wing in place. Some Democrats oppose it on the far left, as well.

But remember, Obama took some heat for actually dramatically increasing deportations from his base. At this point, we either ought to be interested in solving the problem or admit this is simply a political issue to demagogue for folks, and Trump certainly has done that very effectively.

I want to just make a broader point here, though, because I think part of the conversation that's starting to get baked in the cake is Trump's a liar. Everybody knows he's a liar, so stop holding him account to facts, people. It's just picking on the president. First of all, that normalizes lies. Second of all, there's an element which shows contempt for his base. It's basically an admission that, look, the president thinks you're stupid; you don't care whether facts matter. You're just going to believe in him. If that gets -- officially becomes part of the strategy, or if folks who are trying to defend the president say, "Look, stop paying attention to what he says. Look at what he does." You hear that rift all the time. Pay attention to the economy. That itself is a subtle narcotic in a democracy.

And that's why words matter, facts matter, and that's got to be a line that we stand on as citizens and journalists.

[06:15:06] BERMAN: Here, here.

CAMEROTA: On that note --

STEWART: Amen.

CAMEROTA: OK. Thank you very much.

Ahead on NEW DAY, we will talk about the president's mid-term strategy with former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci.

BERMAN: We're also going to ask him about interpretive dance. Seriously. If you've been on -- if you've been on the Internet, I recommend you go on the Internet and type in "Anthony Scaramucci" and "dance."

CAMEROTA: I don't know what he's referring to. Do you, Joe?

LOCKHART: I wouldn't know. I'm not a dance expert.

BERMAN: There you go. It's a good tease. That's why. Rush to your computers. OK.

In New York you can be a new man. Possible October surprise. One of the most high-profile races in the country, that's next.

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CAMEROTA: OK. We are 13 days away from the midterm elections, and the races are getting tighter as October surprises pop up in two crucial governor's races. This is in Florida and Georgia.

In Florida, the Democratic nominee, Andrew Gillum, is defending against claims that he improperly accepted a ticket to see "Hamilton" in 2016.

You'll supply the musical accompaniment.

BERMAN: Not throwing away my shot.

CAMEROTA: Bingo.

Gillum saw the Broadway show with his brother, a close friend named Adam Corey, and an undercover FBI agent posing as an Atlanta businessman named Mike Miller.

[06:20:06] Gillum says his brother gave him the ticket, which is legal. But newly-released text messages show that the friend, Corey, told Gillum that Mike Miller, the undercover agent, and "the crew" had the tickets.

Gillum responded, "Awesome news."

Gillum's campaign says his brother was part of the crew cited in that text.

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ANDREW GILLUM (D), FLORIDA GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I always knew that, if we were able to connect in New York, we would go and see "Hamilton." When I got to the theater, my brother handed me the ticket. The idea that I accepted a gift never came to me.

I never, frankly, feared for people coming into my space, because I never assumed people to have negative, ill intentions toward me.

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CAMEROTA: OK. Back with us now to discuss this and more, we have John Avlon, Joe Lockhart and Alice Stewart.

Joe, I have been waiting for this moment to happen, which is what Republicans would do when there came a moment where a Democratic candidate had some sort of appearance of impropriety or controversy or corruption. And I'm wondering, after everything that they've overlooked with President Trump: from the Emoluments Clauses, the hotels, the not divesting, the tax schemes that "The New York Times" has laid out to such great effect, do they go after one "Hamilton" ticket?

LOCKHART: Well, they will, because in that race they need to. That race is going in the wrong direction for them.

CAMEROTA: But how do they do that with a straight face after everything they've overlooked?

LOCKHART: Well, it's hearkening back to recent history. The last -- before the commercials, the shame -- you can't shame the shameless. You just can't.

The idea that Republicans, having abdicated any oversight of the Trump administration, now have ethical concerns is laughable. But you know what? He's going to have to answer these questions.

You know I think the broader point is there's always an urge near the end of a campaign to say it's tightening, and it generally does tighten. The fundamentals of this race haven't changed. And hear me out on this. The Democratic enthusiasm still is well above. Democratic strategists always expected Republican enthusiasm close to election day to bump up a little bit. It has. If you look at the battleground states of the congressional districts,

that number in the last two months has moved one point, in the direction of Republicans, from 50-46 to 50-47. The generic is still near double digits.

And most importantly, while we're all talking about caravans and all that, Democrats, two-thirds of their ads are about health care. Seventy-one percent of the American public says that health care is their most important issue. That's what's going on on the ground. And the Senate was always an uphill battle for Democrats, given that they're all red states that they're defending. So it hasn't changed that much.

BERMAN: Let's stay on Gillum, though, for a second here. And I want to take this to John. Because what Andrew Gillum we were talking about until tonight, when he has his last gubernatorial debate is this. We have known that there's an FBI investigation into corruption in Tallahassee. Andrew Gillum has said it is not about him, the investigation.

CAMEROTA: He's not the target.

BERMAN: He's not the target, of the investigation. He would not answer a question in the CNN debate about where he got the "Hamilton" ticket. And now there is this text message. And it's a text message where he was told that there was a "Hamilton" ticket being provided by someone who turns out to be an undercover FBI agent and his crew. It's just -- it's a tough day for Andrew Gillum here.

AVLON: The fact pattern of the FBI investigating your city hall when you are a gubernatorial nominee is not good.

Typically, FBI investigations of corruptions at city halls are of a different magnitude than questions about receiving a single "Hamilton" ticket, however valuable that might be.

The question is, against the backdrop of the Trump administration against the intensity of this election, will this resonate? Right now Gillum -- right now Gillum is -- he actually seems to be pulling the Democratic incumbent Senator Nelson across -- across the finish line. This doesn't help. It's not a great fact pattern. I'm not sure it's a deal breaker for the folks of Florida.

BERMAN: I think it's a legitimate question, if voters are inoculated now.

CAMEROTA: This is what I want to know from Alice. So Alice, I mean, after all the norms that have been broken, this is the moment, right?

So people like John Avlon have been warning us for two years: Folks, be careful. The norms are being broken here. Will this be permanent or is this just sort of Trump Teflon quality where it only -- the norms and the breaking of corruption norms only apply to Donald Trump. And so do, as a Republican, do we still have the same standards for corruption, or have those been thrown out the window? STEWART: There should be a same standard across the board. But as

we've all have come to learn, a lot of those standards simply do not apply to this president for whatever reason.

And look, we all can recognize, and Joe and John know that landfills across this country are filled with oppo research that never has seen the light of day and has been flushed down the toilet, because it was never needed. We wouldn't be hearing about this "Hamilton" ticket if it wasn't needed.

[06:25:06] And I can safely say, and it's pretty clear, that Mayor Gillum has done a great job. The last CNN debate, I saw him as very compelling. He made a very convincing case, certainly resonated with the people of Florida. And if he wasn't doing as well, we wouldn't be talking about these "Hamilton" tickets.

But at the end of the day, having worked in a governor's office, everything you eat, every place you go, every plane you fly on will be scrutinized by those in the media and by your opponents. And you have to be extremely careful. However, at the end of the day I don't see this as something that's going to cause someone to sit at home from him or come out and vote for him. But it is something that will certainly be fodder for pundits and the media to talk about.

BERMAN: Interesting. It's a day. Look, we talk about norms and standards. I think this is something that every decent person can agree is below any norm and standard, which is this robocall --

AVLON: Yes.

BERMAN: -- that has been put out in Florida by an independent group. I guess I want to play it. Let's play it so people can see just how wretched it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, hello there. I is the negro Andrew Gillum, and I be askin' you to make me governor of this here state of Florida. My esteemed opponent who dun call me monkey (MONKEY NOISE) is doing a lot of hollering about how expensive my plans for health care be. But he be thinkin' fo' the white man's medicine, which is very 'spensive because it uses science and whatnot.

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BERMAN: So that's horrible. I mean, that is just objectively horrible.

CAMEROTA: I can't believe that they think that in 2018, that that -- that that group, that white supremacist group thinks that that will -- and they obviously wouldn't put it out unless they thought that that would resonate and work.

LOCKHART: It's not just that group. There's -- there's a very similar ad being run by a group called African-Americans for Trump's Agenda in Arkansas for a congressional candidate, which is very similar to that. It's three African-American women speaking in a vernacular that, you know, maybe you heard 50 or 100 years ago.

And, you know, I think if the situation was reversed, and you had George Bush as president or Barack Obama, they'd get up and say something. They'd say there's no place for this. Crickets from Republican leaders. I haven't heard anyone in the Republican Party saying that this is wrong. It is wrong, and it does normalize --

BERMAN: Marco Rubio sent a tweet out, saying --

LOCKHART: OK, then I didn't see that. But we haven't seen -- we haven't seen from the leader of the Republicans that this stuff shouldn't stand.

AVLON: And how about candidate DeSantis?

STEWART: The ad he's talking about that ran in Arkansas was, again, it was technically for a friend of mine, French Hill, who's running for Congress in the 2nd District.

LOCKHART: Yes. Wasn't his ad.

STEWART: My old district. He certainly said that that is not -- he won't tolerate that. He did not accept it. He certainly put it down.

Also the Republican Party of Arkansas condemned this, said there's no place in Arkansas politics for that. So that was clearly denounced by the candidate and the Republican Party of Arkansas. I just wanted to make that clear.

CAMEROTA: But not this one.

AVLON: Yes. And look, I mean, I am shocked the DeSantis campaign has apparently not condemned this out of the gate yet. I'm sure they will. This actually doesn't help them; it hurts them.

But the culture of racist robocalls, and particularly, unfortunately, in the South, and this goes back even, you know, the W.-McCain primary in South Carolina. You know, there's a legacy of this. This is a particularly ugly version in 2018. It will hurt Republicans rather than help them. But it's also something that there should be zero percent delay in condemning across the board.

CAMEROTA: All right. Joe, John, Alice, thank you all very much.

Now to this. The Saudi crown prince to speak publicly today for the first time amid the global uproar over journalist Jamal Khashoggi's murder. We have a live report on that next.

BERMAN: And terrifying video of an out-of-control escalator. Look at that.

CAMEROTA: Gosh.

BERMAN: How did this happen? How many people were hurt? That's next.

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