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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): A manhunt for a serial bomber that targeted two former previous U.S. presidents, three senior officials from the Obama cabinet, a sitting Congress woman and a billionaire Democrat donor.
And Trump says the media are to blame.
Release the bears: U.S. stocks fall again down from record highs just weeks ago and erasing gains for 2018.
Plus the genocide that never seems to stop; warnings from the U.N. that Myanmar's ethnic cleansing of Rohingya Muslims continues as one survivor records lives that have been lost, marking their existence, hoping for justice.
Hello and welcome to our viewers all around the world. I'm John Vause, great to have you with us. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM.
VAUSE: A day of terrorism stretching from coast to coast across the United States, followed by a manhunt for whoever sent multiple pipe bombs to prominent Democrats as well as CNN. None of the devices exploded.
But the scale and the scope of the attacks and the intended targets are chilling: former U.S. president, Barack Obama; former U.S. president, Bill Clinton; former U.S. secretary of state, Hillary Clinton; former attorney general under Obama, Eric Holder; former CIA director under Obama, John Brennan; billionaire Democrat donor, George Soros and Democrat congresswoman Maxine Waters, who was targeted twice.
"The New York Times" published these x-ray images of the bombs and the New York police commissioner says the package sent to CNN Headquarters in New York was a live explosive device. The devices all bear striking similarities, including packaging, postage, address and return labels. The intended targets are all frequently vilified by U.S. president
Donald Trump and this device was sent to the TimeWarner Center in New York, addressed to Brennan, who doesn't work at CNN.
Authorities are also hunting for a suspicious package sent to the former U.S. vice president, Joe Biden, but returned to an unknown address.
Steve Moore joins us now from Los Angeles. He's spent years investigating violent crimes when he was a special agent at the FBI. He's also CNN's law enforcement contributor.
What a day, Steve. What a day.
STEVE MOORE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRESPONDENT: Wow.
VAUSE: OK. It would seem whoever is behind this, he has a list of names.
So any way to know who else is on the list and how many more devices are yet to come?
MOORE: There's no way right now. But what we do know from history is that when people build these batches of bombs, generally they assembly line them. They'll make five, 10, 15 at a time.
And this might be a first wave and there could be a second wave. We don't know. But you have to plan for -- FBI agents are professional pessimists. If I was working the case, I would think that right now, whoever did this is looking at the news and he's feeling pretty good about it and he's about to send off the next wave.
VAUSE: OK, let's look into the politics here. But so far everyone who received a device has been a constant target of criticism from the U.S. president. If you're doing a job, would law enforcement be out there, looking at increasing surveillance and security around others who've also been routinely called out by Trump?
MOORE: Yes, but I wouldn't be targeting -- I think it would be futile to target everybody he's criticized because he's criticized a lot of people. What I think you will find here is that these people were not targeted likely because Trump criticized them.
Usually they're targeting people who offended them personally. So what I think you're going to find is they targeted Hillary Clinton, who had made comments on no civil politics until the Democrats are in power.
You get Maxine Waters, we don't even have to go further with that. And Eric Holder, all did the same.
I believe that this is more about who offended the bomber than asking permission from Donald Trump to do this. Of course, they've all been criticized. But you're going to have a long list if you go after people he's criticized. VAUSE: OK. "The New York Times" turned in those x-ray images of a couple of the devices. If you take a close look at it, you don't actually really need a close look at it. It seems to be fairly unsophisticated which in and of itself says a lot.
MOORE: It is. I'd want to see the materials that were used here. But it looks like they got -- they put some kind of coil igniter inside there, which might be a heat igniter. I don't know if they -- why they didn't go off. And that will -- why they didn't go off will tell the investigators quite a bit about this person, as will the construction of the device.
VAUSE: Does it make it actually harder to track down the bomber because it is not so sophisticated?
A more sophisticated design, would that have reduced the number of possible suspects?
MOORE: Yes, theoretically but what you see is everything was -- not everything but most of the things were misspelled in these things. I don't think that was accidental. Brennan has two N's; Florida is -- has an A at the end of it.
I think what we're dealing with here is somebody who is new to this and, for instance, the size of the package, the size of the tubes, the pipe nipples they call them, those are things that you can buy without calling attention to yourself.
If you went in and asked at a hardware store for a 3-inch diameter pipe, 1 feet long, threaded at the ends with end caps, somebody is going to call the police. But these things are things you can just pull right off the shelf. And it may not even be metal. It might be PVC.
But whatever it was, there was not a viable ignition method.
VAUSE: I want to read part of a statement which was issued by the Secret Service, regarding the two devices sent to President Obama and Secretary Clinton.
"The packages were immediately identified during routine mail screening procedures as potential explosive devices and were appropriately handled as such. The protectees did not receive the packages nor were they at risk of receiving them."
That routine mail procedure, that would be applicable to just high- profile potential targets like former presidents, like the former secretary of state, as opposed to what is done every day at post offices across U.S.?
MOORE: Well, see, that's the problem. You have an explosive device being put through the mail. And it is not -- you know, it could go off before it arrives where it is going to be screened. You know, the FBI, at the FBI offices I worked, our mail was heavily
screened. You might not believe it but some people don't like the FBI. And so this is a standard thing in government.
The problem is that it could kill anybody, from the person picking up the package out of a mailbox or a mailbox receptacle, all the way to the time it gets to the secure area.
VAUSE: We like the FBI, Steve, and we like you. One more question before you go.
On the one hand, you've got the fact that these are very basic pipe bombs which actually didn't explode. But on the other hand, this appears to be, at one extreme, an attempted assassination attempt on two former U.S. presidents and it doesn't get a whole lot more serious than that.
MOORE: Yes, this is an act of domestic terrorism. Regardless of what you believe, I worked domestic terrorism for most of my FBI career. This will be investigated by domestic terrorism squads. This is violence for a political end. And so this should be taken extremely seriously.
If you're a conservative, you need to take this extremely seriously. This is the beginning of the unraveling of our system if both sides -- and both sides' rhetoric is crazy right now -- you can't just say we're not going to be civil to people, we're not going to accept violence against people. This has to be stopped at this point by all sides.
VAUSE: Yes. That's a good point to get us to the next story about the U.S. president. So, Steve, thank you. Appreciate you being with us.
Well, President Trump did address the pipe bomb attacks on Wednesday night at a rally in Wisconsin. But he quickly pivoted to blaming the news media.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I want to begin the rally by addressing the suspicious devices and packages that were mailed to current and former high ranking government officials. My highest duty as you know as president is to -- to keep America safe.
The media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. Have to do it. Have to do it. They have got to stop.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Sam Nunberg was a former aide to Trump and he joins us now from New York for more.
This current corrosive political climate may have played a role in these attempted bomb attacks. Sam, thank you for being with us.
SAMUEL NUNBERG, FORMER TRUMP AIDE: Thank you.
VAUSE: If you listen to the president at the rally earlier tonight, as someone who actually knows Donald Trump, would you say he genuinely believes he has not played a major role in this, in the very bitter and divisive atmosphere that exists in the country today?
NUNBERG: First of all, I'm speaking to you from the TimeWarner building. I just want to commend the NYPD, TimeWarner security and the FBI and everyone else that's looking into this.
NUNBERG: I humbly disagree with the premise of your question that he holds responsibility for these bombings. I've always been on the record saying whether or not whoever commits an atrocity, never blame who they support politically.
What I do think though is the president has come out, in all fairness, he has -- he has commended -- he has criticized the attacks and said they're inappropriate and we will look into it. And I can assure you that somebody like Trump law and order will prosecute the perpetrators to the full extent of the law.
VAUSE: With regard to the rhetoric coming from our leader, here's a collection of sound bites, recent sound bites from the president calling out and verbally attack those on his enemies list. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Fake as hell, CNN. The worst.
Hillary is a very dishonest person. If you look at the things she says, I mean, they're so dishonest.
I think Brennan is a very bad guy. And if you look at it, a lot of things happened under his watch. I think he's a very bad person.
And of course, the legendary low I.Q. Maxine Waters. Low I.Q. person.
It was very polarized under President Obama. Unbelievably polarized under President Obama.
They'll go to a person holding a sign who gets paid by Soros or somebody.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: OK. So is it just a coincidence that all the people as well as CNN who were named by the president were the ones who were targeted by explosive devices?
NUNBERG: I think this is probably somebody who is apolitical, frankly, who's not a Republican, not a Democrat, and is just looking to create chaos at a time when the national media and everybody is having election intensity and would be viewing this.
We all look for the October surprise. That's the business we're in. With that said, I think to assign once again responsibility to Donald Trump for specific rhetoric of these bombers is just a bridge too far.
VAUSE: It's interesting you bring up the motive, was it Republican, conservative, Democrat?
Because this is how they're covering the story over at the president's favorite news channel, over at FOX. Here's a small example.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CHRIS SWECKER, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: They're going to be looking at this as a potential terrorist motive, whether it's on one side or the other. And as you correctly pointed out earlier, this doesn't necessarily mean that someone has -- is espousing some sort of conservative ideology and targeting Democrats.
It could be someone who's trying to get the Democratic vote out and incur sympathy. So it could go either way --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's an interesting point.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: "Interesting point," we heard.
NUNBERG: No, I disagree with that wholeheartedly. Once again, this is not a political issue. I believe that this is somebody who does this -- or if it is a group of people, they do this to create chaos, to create a fear and, once again, that's why I'm honored to be sitting here in the TimeWarner building.
And what I would say and what I would say it is irrelevant if it is a Democrat or it's a Republican. And I doubt by the way the actual people that did this are actually political. Remember, these terrorists, whether they're Islamists or whether they're Christian fundamentalists or whatever you want to say, they always look to do it at prime opportunities.
What is a bigger prime opportunity than the 2018 cycle?
Which once again, Trump has taken on his head, on his shoulders. He has said that this is essentially his first reelect. And as I've been saying early on, I believe that we'll hold the House.
You've never seen what something like this, with a sitting president, holding rallies, engaging his base the way that no other president ever has in the first two years of their first term.
And the president is doing this at a great risk to himself for a couple of reasons because first of all, from a political point of view, he is saying if we lose the House, the Republicans, he could very well be impeached.
The second reason is that he has a lot of people coming after him on the Republican side. They would love for -- they would love for Donald Trump to not be successful here.
What I think what we have now and what all the polls show is something very strange. You have a generic congressional ballot that does give the advantage to Democrats. That's because Democratic intensity is extremely, extremely high.
But what you also have is at the same time Republicans and Democrats both have the same enthusiasm and the same interest. And if Trump is able to get out his base, that's what Steve Bannon, my boss, has been saying, if he is able to get out the base, I believe we'll hold the House.
VAUSE: OK, well, we'll finish up with part of a statement from our boss, Jeff Zucker. This is what it read.
"The president and especially the White House press secretary should understand their words matter. Thus far they've shown no comprehension of that."
What it sounds to me that you're saying is actually the president does understand the impact his words have.
VAUSE: And he is willing to say and do whatever he has to, to motivate his base, regardless of what is said, regardless of who is vilified, because he needs this success at the upcoming midterm election.
NUNBERG: I think that what has happened with Donald Trump and this -- this, I'll tell you, is that we're a party that we no longer want to be the party of John McCain, Mitt Romney types.
And this on that might be nice to say but those are people that, at the end of the day, went along to get along. They were hard on Republicans, soft on Democrats. They ran hard against Republicans in primaries, soft on the Democrat in the general election.
Now we're playing to win now. And everything on paper should say that Donald Trump and the Republicans should suffer major losses. Let's see what happens. I think we'll keep the House.
VAUSE: OK. And we shall know in the coming weeks how that all plays out.
But Sam, thanks for being with us.
NUNBERG: Thank you.
VAUSE: Global political and economic fears sent Wall Street into the tank on Wednesday. The Dow and S&P 500 saw their gains for the year completely wiped out. The Nasdaq had its biggest one-day percentage drop since 2011.
Disappointing tech earnings, fears of high interest rates and the upcoming midterm elections, all troubling investors right now. It's all very troubling, very troubling, too, across Asian markets. They're heading lower.
Live to London now with CNN's Anna Stewart, is on market watch.
It seems, Anna, Wall Street's plunge isn't the only factor here driving stocks lower in Asia.
ANNA STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, I'm waking up to a sea of red, John. Let's bring you some of the Asian markets because the selloff did continue there as well. Losses led by Japan's Nikkei down over 3 percent and then in Hong Kong down nearly 2 percent and in Shanghai down a little under 1.5 percent.
I'd say tech stocks in Asia were hit particularly hard, much like we have stateside. Some of that's down to the fact that they're more valuable stocks, they do register bigger losses.
But the trigger for this, many people are putting with the tech sector in the United States. We've had plenty of earnings out. Some of them have been healthy. But in terms of tech, lots of investors are concerned about the guidance these companies are giving, particularly on revenue growth.
A lot of this comes down to the fact we're simply coming to the end of cheap money, with interest rates rising in the United States. That might be the trigger of there are bigger, broader issues here as well, concerns about global economic growth, particularly actually in China as well as trade tensions between the United States and China and here in Europe actually, equities are under pressure on political concerns whether that's the populist government in Italy or Brexit.
I can tell you European markets are set to open down today. Although we had some losses yesterday so that might not be too dramatic.
VAUSE: I guess the question, you get that negative selloff for Wall Street, it goes to Asia and then it's negative in Europe and it sets a cycle off. We're going to be talking a lot about that next hour. So we look forward to catching up. Thanks, Anna.
STEWART: See you then, John.
VAUSE: We will take a short break. When we come back, Rohingya Muslims still facing the threat of genocide in Myanmar while villages who survived a brutal massacre last year are now telling their stories.
Back to the top story, investigation into bombs sent to CNN. Clintons and Obama and
VAUSE: Back now to our top story. The investigation into bombs sent to CNN, the Clintons, the Obamas and other political figures in what New York City's mayor called an act of terror. None of the devices exploded but there are fears many more may still be out there. CNN's Anderson Cooper has details.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: These are no longer suspicious packages.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST (voice-over): Shortly after 10:00 am, CNN is giving an update on suspicious packages mailed to Democratic politicians.
SCIUTTO: -- that's a -- excuse me, that sounds like a fire alarm here. We'll keep you posted on that.
POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: We're going to jump in, there's a fire alarm here.
SCIUTTO: -- might have heard in the --
SCIUTTO: -- background.
COOPER (voice-over): The TimeWarner Center, home to CNN's New York office, was abruptly evacuated.
HARLOW: We are outside safely. All of our CNN colleagues that we know of are outside right now. Everyone is safe.
COOPER (voice-over): The package was sent to CNN's mailroom, addressed to former CIA director John Brennan, who has become a frequent critic of President Trump's. Brennan, whose name is wrongly spelled on the package, works as an analyst for NBC News, not CNN.
This week alone, six devices were found by authorities, four of them intercepted just today, all addressed to Democratic politicians, donors or, in our case, the news media.
MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK: This clearly is an act of terror, attempting to undermine our free press and leaders of this country through acts of violence. COOPER (voice-over): On Monday, a bomb was found inside the mailbox of liberal philanthropist George Soros. Soros was recently accused by President Trump of paying protesters to show up for anti-Kavanaugh demonstrations during his confirmation hearing.
On Tuesday, a package was found at the Clintons' home in Chappaqua, New York. It also contained an explosive device.
And on Wednesday, Secret Service intercepted another one sent to former President Barack Obama. Police say these bombs all seem to be connected.
GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: As you've heard, there is a number of devices and there's a pattern, apparently, to the number of devices. We wouldn't be at all surprised if more devices show up.
COOPER (voice-over): Two additional suspicious packages were sent to former attorney general Eric Holder and to California Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters.
The package sent to Holder wound up at the office of Democratic representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz in Florida. She was listed as the return address for the package, which is the same return address listed for bombs sent to CNN, the Obamas and the Clintons.
Six suspicious devices intercepted in just one week. And authorities fear there may be more on the way.
VAUSE: Sam Rabadi is a former special agent in charge at the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and he joins us now from Philadelphia.
Sam, it seems here one of the big keys to this investigation is almost a reverse investigation here in trying to find out the person who actually built those devices and find out where they got those materials from.
Investigators, I guess, will check the ATF database out there and trying to crossmatch some serial numbers and then zero in on a particular area. But that seems to be just the start of this investigation.
SAM RABADI, FORMER ATF SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: It certainly is the start. I think we're fortunate because of the number of devices, my understanding is just the amount of potential forensic evidence in addition to investigative leads is plenty. The investigators will have a lot to work with.
As you said, you kind of backtrack in the steps in how this individual came to collect these components, whether it's components of the device itself, the timing switches, the power sources, all of that work is going to be good old-fashioned police work just trying to trace back where the items were purchased from to hopefully try to make an identification of the individual. VAUSE: There's a lot of groundwork here and a lot of traditional investigation. There's methodology (ph) to all of this. There's a procedure. But quite often, there's also a pretty good degree of luck which gets a break in cases like this.
So in this instance, what would a break look like?
RABADI: A break would look like an individual who may have witnessed this person coming near one of the locations where the devices were transported. Of course, that has not been fully determined. They may have been sent through the mail or through a delivery service.
There's various reports out there how they were delivered. But someone may have seen something that is relevant to investigators and provides that one clue.
There's also, I will add, John, that part of the investigation are going to be some modern tools that law enforcement has at its disposal, such as facial recognition systems and license plate readers and information that can be derived from cell phone towers.
So they'll combine these modern techniques up along with good old- fashioned police work, neighborhood canvases, looking for surveillance footage as well as potential witness statements to piece it all together.
VAUSE: And part of that technology is the U.S. Postal Service itself. It has its own surveillance program called mail imaging, which takes a photo of the outside of every piece of mail sent in the U.S.
While the primary purpose of taking the pictures --
VAUSE: -- is to process the mail, law enforcement agencies are able to request images of mail sent and received by a target, which is under investigation.
So let's assume that these items were in fact actually mailed.
How long does it take to locate those images and then trace them back to where they were actually sent from?
Then what are the chances there could be video surveillance of the person actually putting those devices actually into the mail?
RABADI: There is a distinct possibility that this individual may have done that. Keep in mind the construction of these devices was fairly simplistic which speaks to perhaps the level of sophistication of the bomb builder and perhaps getting a little sloppy not taking certain precautions.
The system that the postal service uses is combined with some of the other security features at their facilities. I can tell you from doing these bombing investigations in the past, our postal inspector counterparts are a critical piece of the investigation, when the U.S. Mail is used.
There are security cameras located at many of the facilities. Some of the technologies I've just mentioned are also utilized. So they will be an active participant in this investigation and hopefully be able to provide some clues as to the identity of the bomber.
VAUSE: And this guy does it -- or woman, this man or woman, we don't know, but certainly doesn't appear to be the Unabomber. These devices are all sent within a relatively short period of time, which seems to make it a bit easier to figure out who it might be as opposed to someone who may have mailed one device, waited a few months, drove from California to Texas and then mailed another.
RABADI: Yes. Absolutely. I think with the number of device, I believe we were up to six today, you're absolutely increasing the chances for law enforcement to look for commonalities between the devices, the mode of delivery.
There will be something, I feel very confident that investigators are going to be able to key in on some commonality between two or more of the devices and be able to identify this individual, hopefully in short order. Just a ton of evidence is my understanding that they're coming across.
VAUSE: Is it a fair statement to say that, at the very least, whoever sent these explosive devices was trying to make some kind of statement?
And if that's the case, then that person would have already had plenty to say maybe on social media, maybe to friends or family.
RABADI: I'll tell you, John, I've seen it all in 29 years of doing these types of investigations and other violent crime investigations. Especially when it comes to the mindset of a bomber, there are times they're obviously trying to make a statement or trying to scare somebody.
Sometimes they can build a device to be crude on purpose or simplistic so that it scares folks. But you know, the motivations can vary from revenge to extortion to blackmail to just trying to really, even in this case, potentially, make a political statement.
That is going to be part of the investigation, is to get into the mind of the bomber, looking at maybe perhaps some social media posts. They'll do a lot of digging to try to figure out a motivation for this person.
VAUSE: Yes. And of course, there will be a lot of resources on this when there's essentially the attempted assassination of two former presidents. It is a big deal.
Sam, thank you so much. Appreciate you being with us.
RABADI: Thank you, John.
VAUSE: We'll take a short break, we'll have a lot more news when we come back. You're watching CNN.
[00:30:00] VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. I'm John Vause, with an update on the Trump news this hour. Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman called the killing of Khashoggi, heinous, and a crime and he promised those responsible would be held accountable, bin Salman's first public comment since some of his top aides were implicated in the journalist's death.
Discussions on the way, between Washington and Mexico, on how to deal with the migrant caravan coming from Central America. Meantime, U.S. officials say another they're monitoring a new caravan, forming in El Salvador, and another one, with around 2,000 migrant, which has already travelled from Honduras to Guatemala.
U.S. stock markets are falling right now, following Wall Street's plunge on Wednesday, disappointing tech earnings, high interest rates and the upcoming midterm elections in the U.S., all weighing on investors. The Dow and S&P 500 erased their gains for the year. The NASDAQ dropped more than four percent, putting it now into correction territory.
A top U.N. investigator has found there has been no end to the on- going genocide of Myanmar's Rohingya minority.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NIKKI HALEY, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: Once more, we're hearing about torture, mutilation, repeated massacres, gang rapes and obliteration of entire villages. All perpetrated against the Rohingya minority by the Burmese security forces. Only accountability for the crimes against Rohingya will serve the cause of peace in Burma.
This is not about finger-pointing. It is about accepting the realities of what happened. So that healing and accountability can occur.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Myanmar's brutal crackdown on the Rohingya began in August last year, with one of the most horrific massacres in the village of Chut Pyin. Amnesty international, citing witnesses, says government troops surrounded the village; open fired on those trying to escape, then, burned the place down. Some who survived that horror told their stories to the Wall Street Journal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were performing prayers. That's when the military came and surrounded our village.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some children told us to run for safety.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first thing I saw was fire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They fired rocket launchers into our huts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People inside were burned alive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got shot when I was coming out of our house. Then I just lay in the rice fields.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We pretended we were dead. We collected blood from dead bodies, then smeared it on ourselves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The military the men, then selected 20 pretty women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They tied our hands and legs and beat us. If I cried, they would stab my arms and legs. Five people raped me. After that, I don't remember anything else.
VAUSE: Jonathan Emont is a reporter with the Wall Street Journal who filed that story. He's with us from Singapore. Jon, thank you for your reporting, and it's powerful and it is important and we don't get enough from that part of the world.
We just heard many Rohingya there, talking about what they've already endured, and now we're hearing from U.N. investigators, the Rohingya Muslims still living in Myanmar, you know, half a million people continue to be the victims of this on-going genocide.
That just doesn't seem surprising, though, given the military and the government (INAUDIBLE) no consequences for their actions already, what they've already done.
[00:35:07] JONATHAN EMONT, REPORTER, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (via Skype): Thanks for having me, John. Yes, it's exactly right. Myanmar policy has not changed. So, when Marzuki Darusman is talking about the on-going genocide, he's referring to on-going marginalization of the Rohingya in northern -- Northwestern Myanmar.
So, they continue to a very limited access of movement. They continue to a very limited access to food, to water, to medical resources, so it's very challenging for them right now, even if the mass killings have ended.
VAUSE: Yes. What really struck me about your reporting, about these accounts that you have, in that video clip, from the Rohingya, was just how detailed, but not just detailed, but consistent they all were. And it seemed to be a consistency born of a shared atrocity.
EMONT: Well, yes. I think that's certainly the easiest way to understand it. When I went there with many other members of the Wall Street Journal team, we found accounts that were indeed extremely inconsistent.
And even if you forgot their stories, just the wounds that you saw displayed before you, of young girls with bullet wounds and many people were shot, in ways that suggest they've been shot from behind while they were running, or from the side, you saw knife wounds.
I mean, even if you just forget the words that they were saying, there's no question that something very terrible happened in that village.
VAUSE: Yes. And suffice belief that someone that could listen to these accounts and not be moved to actually try and do something. But that's the state we're in right now. I want to play a little more from your video report which you filed for the Wall Street Journal. For our audience, listen to this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They killed 358 people in our village. I've been collecting a list, so we can get justice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My husband Mohammed Zobair, my uncle Rafique.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They killed my father and my stepbrother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My father, one sister and one brother. The military were there to kill.
VAUSE: The military were there to kill. Yes. Ahmed Hussain, he's one of the Rohingya leaders, he survived one of the worst massacres and he has this very detailed account of the crimes committed by the military. And he told you he's hoping to see justice for his people, but boy, that's going to be, you know, a long shot, next to no chance.
EMONT: It's indeed hard to see right now, how that justice would arrive. Things are very much stalled on the international stage.
There is an on-going effort in the International Criminal Court to look into these crimes, but currently, the U.N. Security Council which has the authority to authorize a serious investigation has not done so, in part, because Myanmar has backers on the U.N. Security Council namely, China.
VAUSE: I just want to -- did you get a sense from Ahmed Hussain that he's essentially being driven by this need, if nothing else, just to simply document what happened, to record the lives that were lost, or at least, their existence is recognized?
EMONT: Exactly. I mean, when you -- when you go to the camps in Bangladesh, and you see the -- all the villagers who have survived these atrocities. There's very little for them to do, and they want to take action. They -- I mean, Ahmed Hussain has seen his little sister killed, according to him, and you know, many other family members as well, taken away, and never to return.
So, they want to do something and they want to make sure that this isn't all just lost. And so, I think, in part, just to -- just so he has some way to occupy himself, so he has something to do during the day that feels productive and feels like he's building towards justice.
I think that's one of the main things that motivated him to go out and try to record exactly what happened at the village.
VAUSE: Jonathan, we're out of time. But, thank you so much for your reporting. Appreciate it.
EMONT: Thank you very much, John.
VAUSE: We'll take a short break. We'll be back in a moment.
[00:40:00] VAUSE: One staggering lucky person, or maybe, you know, a group of people can now cash in on the largest U.S. lottery jackpot ever won by a single ticket, the sum here, 1.5 B, as in boy, billion dollars. The winning ticket was brought in the state of South Carolina, where lottery winners can actually legally remain anonymous.
In other states, you actually have to publicly come forward. Even so, many now (INAUDIBLE) that convenience store where the winning ticket was sold, they're all hoping lightning will strike twice, good luck with that.
There's still plenty of cash, though, up for grabs, another U.S. lottery, the Powerball has reached the jackpot of $620 million. But as they say, buying lottery tickets is tax for stupid people, but someone has to win.
Three prints by the elusive British artist Banksy, have sold on auctions, but this time, they're all in one piece, no shredder, no pranks. Organizers of Wednesday's auction, in Paris, weren't taking any chances. They've checked the art beforehand to make sure there would be no surprises, like, you know, last time, when Banksy's Girl with Balloon painting, shredded itself, right after sale.
But, it still went for $1.4 million. Apparently, he's worth even more now. His three prints sold for just $137,000 in the market.
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