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At Least 11 Hurt in Southern California Bar Shooting; Interview with Mayor Andy Fox. Aired 5-5:30a ET

Aired November 08, 2018 - 05:00   ET

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[05:00:00] DAVE BRIGGS, CNN ANCHOR: Information is still coming in at this hour. Here is what we do know.

The attacker forced his way into the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks. It's a huge country and western dance bar. Popular with Pepperdine students. We do know more than 20 Pepperdine students were in the bar at that hour. Cal Lutheran students we can confirm were also in the bar at the time of the shooting.

An official on scene saying there were at least 11 injured including one deputy sheriff. Their conditions not yet known at this hour.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: Let's bring in CNN's Nick Watt in Thousand Oaks. We've been listening to eyewitnesses for the past couple of hours. And officials have very preliminary information for reporters.

Nick, what are you gathering there?

NICK WATT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you say, right now the number of injured or possibly dead is 11. We just know of 11 victims. We do not know any of their conditions. And we are told that that number could change. About a half hour ago, the number was six. It's moved up to 11. We are that could change.

Now as for the actual -- for the shooter, we are told that they do not believe -- sorry. We do not feel that the shooter has left the building. That is the last that we heard from Ventura County Sheriff's Office.

Now I was just speaking to some people who were inside the bar when it happened. You mentioned Pepperdine. I spoke to one young lady who was at Cal State Channel Islands. She said she was in the bar. It was beginning to fill up. This was country college night that started at 9:00, goes on until 2:00 in the morning. She said it wasn't packed. It was filling up when she heard gunshots. She hit the ground, hid under a table with another friend. That friend she has not managed to contact on the phone so she does not know his condition.

There are many people who managed to escape trying to make contact with their friends who were in the bar tonight.

Now she described the shooter as a man of average build. And she said that he was wearing black, although she was very much in a state of shock and said she was very concerned about putting out false information. Her memories were a little jumbled. She says that she saw a smoke bomb. But again she's not really sure. She was -- she said it was a surreal experience, and it all happened very quickly. She said that the gunshots were rapid. She said it didn't sound like an automatic weapon. More like a handgun. But again this is just one person's impression. She didn't know how many shots but said that there were multiple, multiple shots.

Back to you, guys.

ROMANS: You know, Nick, it's really -- it's really telling from your eyewitness that she was -- didn't want to say things that weren't true because she was so shocked. It's something we often see in a mass shooting or in a breaking news situation like this. People are taken by surprise. They smell smoke. Maybe think there is a smoke bomb. We don't have any of those details confirmed yet, right? That there were smoke bombs or what kind of weapons this was?

WATT: We do not have any of that information confirmed. And as I say, this young woman was just saying what she thought she saw, what she thought she heard. But you know, in the immediate aftermath of an event like this, you know, obviously people are in shock. And we are getting information from Ventura County officials. They are coming out every 20 minutes or so, trying to update us on the situation.

They say right now that they do not believe there is any danger to the surrounding population. As I say that they feel that the shooter has not left the building. I'm not sure exactly what that means. But they feel that the scene is contained at this point. But we do not have any information as to whether the shooter is down, in custody. We just do not know right now.

ROMANS: OK. And we'll let you -- Nick, we'll let you get back to the scene and talk to law enforcement on the ground to find out for us the condition of that shooter, any of those victims. If you can let us know, we'll let you get back to work. Thanks, Nick.

BRIGGS: All right. Let's welcome in now James Gagliano, former FBI supervisory agent, spent 25 years at the bureau, a CNN law enforcement analyst.

Always good to have you here in situations like this, James, unfortunately, far too many of these situations in recent memory.

Your mind goes to the Pulse nightclub shooting in 2016 in terms of how you handle a situation like this. How must have officers approach a situation in a packed nightclub in the dark?

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Sure. And that's what the biggest concern is. You've got a place where there's a large concentration of people. And that makes this such an enticing target to somebody that is looking to ratchet up a body count. Very, very difficult for police obviously because these people -- I heard you describe it earlier -- are streaming out trying to get away. The police have to sort out, is the shooter in the midst. And most importantly, Dave, was it one person or was this a conspiracy? Are there more people involved?

ROMANS: Yes. We're hearing a lot of different kinds of descriptions. But all of them -- of the shooter are, wearing a black coat, glasses, black beard. It doesn't sound -- you tell me if this analysis is correct. It doesn't sound like this is a disgruntled employee or this is a fight in the bar.

[05:05:03] It sounds like somebody who went there on a mission.

GAGLIANO: The hardest part about tactical response, Christine, is that when officers are arriving, they have to do a quick calculus. Is this a domestic? Is this workplace violence? Is this a religious zealot? Is this somebody that's just looking to kill people because they're evil or it's an emotionally disturbed person?

You've got to do all that calculus. And most importantly, you've got to define a couple of things here. Is this somebody that's an active shooter in the traditional active shooter sense or is this a gunman looking to barricade themselves, take hostages and negotiate?

Very difficult for law enforcement and I think you guys spoke about this earlier, too. The inaccuracy in reporting generally during a crisis event. You're trying to glean as much as you can from the witnesses. They're coming out but often they're at odds with each other.

ROMANS: Yes.

GAGLIANO: With the statements. How many people? What type of weapon? I heard a big pistol. And then I also heard smoke grenades. Now reading the tactical tea leaves here, there's probably one of two things that this shooter used because a number of witnesses said it was a smoke grenade.

Grenades are generally fragmentation devices. They're used in combat. We don't use them in a law enforcement sense. And it's not something that would easily be obtained by a civilian. This was probably what we call a diversionary device. A flash bang device which law enforcement used to stun or to distract when they're making entry or possibly a military-style smoke canister to use for screening and obscuration. That's what I think this probably was.

ROMANS: Could it be people are confused, though? They're smelling the gun going off. They're hearing the sound. They're confused and they think that's what happened?

GAGLIANO: Absolutely. If somebody is firing a weapon in rapid fire, even if it's a single action weapon, there is some smoke there. And you're in a nightclub. It's dark. You could have music of strobe lights on the whole nine yards, absolutely can be a consideration.

BRIGGS: In particular there were one eyewitness that reported up to 30 shots fired, certainly adding up to potential smoke.

Now again with the obvious caveat that these eyewitnesses were terrified, running out of a crowded bar at the moment. Let's hear from some of the eyewitnesses to the shooting. We'll have James discuss what he's hearing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was to the front door. I was talking to my stepdad. And I just started hearing these big pops. Pop, pop, pop. There's probably three or four. I hit the ground. I look up. The security guard's dead. I don't want to say dead but he was shot, he was down. And the gunman was throwing smoke grenades all over the place. I saw him point to the back of the cash register. And he just started -- he just kept firing. I ran out the front door. I hear chairs being thrown out the window. People were trying to get out the window.

And the gunman went to the -- he went behind the cash register. He kept -- there was probably 12 shots before I got out the front door. And I go out. I come back in to see if my stepdad's OK. I hear him yelling. And I ran. But the gunman he was -- he had a beard. He looked Middle Easterner or so. He was wearing a hat, black jacket. I think he had glasses on like prescription glasses. He had a big handgun. And -- I mean, shots were just firing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was right next to the entrance. We were getting ready to leave. We have (INAUDIBLE). And some smoke came in. He -- I guess he rolled some smoke in. He fired the first shot. I knew it was live. I knew it was real. My son thought it was a joke. So I pulled him down and got behind cover. I looked up and he was moving to the right. He shot the front doorman or bouncer. You know, just a young man. And then he shot the cashier. Just a young girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone was hanging out. All of a sudden we heard a bunch of shots obviously from a semiautomatic rifle. The police showed up. Three of them went to the door. Currently there's one officer down as they were breaching the front entrance. The other two pulled out. One, I think, is still in there and now I think about it, there's probably two officers down because only one came out. So they both pulled out, he's still holed up inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've heard from several friends, we know one friend is in the hospital right now. It was college night at Borderline. They do it every Wednesday. So California Lutheran University is right down the road, which I'm student body president. He's also in our student government so just kind of making sure everyone is OK and seeing what we do to help out.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is everyone OK that you know was there tonight?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One is in the hospital right now. And I haven't heard back from several others. I've heard back from seven or eight friends so far saying that they are OK. But we still didn't hear back from a couple of others.

[05:10:06] UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What is the scene they describe inside?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was chaos. People jumping out of windows, going -- hopping over gates just trying to get out. From what I heard, the gunman started shooting at the front desk. And then from there, I'm not sure. Friends that I have that are in there reported that students are hiding in the attics and bathrooms and stuff like that. So --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Terrible. Terrible night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROMANS: Those eyewitnesses said they were using chairs to break through windows to flee the building. And the Thousand Oaks mayor now, Andy Fox, the Thousand Oaks mayor is saying the shooter has been neutralized and that the neighborhood, the Thousand Oaks, is safe.

BRIGGS: That student there, Cal Lutheran, one of several Cal Lutheran students that were in the Borderline Bar and Grill at the time of the shooting. As we also mentioned earlier, more than 20 Pepperdine students were in the bar and Moorpark College students were also there.

Back to James Gagliano, Our CNN law enforcement analyst. How has the way police respond to mass shootings in particular mass shootings at bar similar to what happened at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando in 2016? How is the way police have responded changed?

GAGLIANO: Well., I mean, if you go back all the way to August 1st of 1966 and that classic -- you know, University of Texas clock tower shooting which is really the first mass shooting as we define them. Three or more victims. Very, very difficult. Because again, to your point, Dave, about Orlando, in that situation the police were criticized and they were criticized because after the initial shooting, the gunman holed himself up. But he had told police that he had explosive devices and that he had wired the doors.

And so police in an abundance of caution did a surround and containment and tried to negotiate with the gunman. In issues like this, it is difficult because if more people are going to be killed, police have learned in these instances, especially after Pulse, you cannot wait. You must move to the sound of the guns.

ROMANS: We know that this was a venue with hundreds of people in it, the police said. And that one of those eyewitnesses told our Nick Watt that it was just starting to fill up. I mean, the party goes from sort of like 9:00 to 2:00 in the morning. We heard from the news editor of the student newspaper in Pepperdine that the freshman dorms have organized an outing. And there were 20 kids from the freshman dorms who were there. These were the kinds of places where people, especially young people, feel safe. That's why they are such terrible soft targets.

GAGLIANO: And it didn't look like an incident where somebody just reacted, like somebody had some grievance and reacted in a moment. This looked like it was a planned event. Why? You targeted a place where you probably knew there was no armed security at the front. You went in, you knew that there was going to be a mass -- populous of people were there which made it a much more target rich for the shooter environment. And then issues with, you know, fire doors and things like that. Were there enough exits there for people to exit safely.

We always want to make sure there's enough doors in cases of fire. But from the way we're looking at these events now, people need to get out of these places where there's a large --

ROMANS: Yet it sounds like a lot of kids, a lot of people got out of there. I mean, there were a lot of people milling around outside. We saw some kids were injured, were being treated. We know there were at least 11 injured. But that number could go higher. And we know that a deputy was shot in this event here. So this is a mass shooting. The second in just a little over two weeks.

GAGLIANO: And what's difficult is as we listen to that video montage there of all those different witness statements is trying to discern what is the truth and what happened when people in crisis incidents, and they don't recall things, or they talk to a friend and the friend gives him something that's erroneous information. Police are trying to piece this together in real time. Stop the shooter and make sure that there are no accomplices.

BRIGGS: The country music community coming together. Once again it was just the Route 91 Country music festival in Las Vegas far too recent, October of 2017. The largest mass shooting in U.S. history when 57 were killed.

There are witness reports that say there were some students who were in Las Vegas at the country music festival when that happened and at this bar last night. A far too common occurrence for young students both in elementary, high school, college in this situation.

James, let's talk about where this investigation goes into the morning. Where's the first place it turn to once you have the shooter contained which we do know has happened?

GAGLIANO: So these things happen sequentially. First thing is crisis resolution. Stop the shooter. Stop the people trying to hurt people. Then consequence management. Make sure that there aren't any devices that were left there, anything else that could hurt people. And then move into the investigative phase. The investigation is going to be keying in on first and foremost did anyone help this person? Did anyone provide material support? And are there any other pending threats out there that law enforcement need to immediately interdict?

ROMANS: Let me ask you a question from -- you know, I keep thinking of the parents of those Pepperdine freshmen who are waking up this morning, or going to best on the West Coast, realizing that child was in harm's way. What do you do in a situation like this? If you're in a crowded bar, you're standing there, it's sort of dark.

[05:15:05] There's TVs above the bar. You're hearing the music and you see an guy coming in with a gun. What in the world do you do? GAGLIANO: So in the FBI, we teach run, hide, fight, tell. In that

order. Now run, get out of there as quick as you can. Now what we're also telling people is, if you can't get out to move. Don't be a stationary target. Secondly, if you can't run, if you can't exit or egress the location, hide. But there is distinction there, Christine. And it's this. Hide if you can barricade yourself. Hiding under a table or behind drapery is not cover. It's concealment but it's not cover. Then fight. If that's the last option. And then importantly, when you leave there, find law enforcement. There's going to be an area where law enforcement is going to triaging, determining who needs medical attention and things like that. Talk to a police officer. And unfortunately the difficult part as we watched that video montage is everybody sees things differently.

ROMANS: Yes.

GAGLIANO: And sometimes as you pointed out this morning initial reports are very inaccurate. Law enforcement is to sort through all that noise and find out what the facts are.

ROMANS: Yes. In many cases, I've heard eyewitnesses in the early moment say there were multiple shooters or there was this or there was that. And in the end you find out it was a single shooter from a different part of the -- it can be chaotic those first moments in a breaking situation like that.

BRIGGS: So again, if you're just joining us, the Thousand Oaks Mayor Andy Fox has said the shooter has been neutralized. Let's hear the latest update from the sheriff office in Ventura County Sheriff's Office.

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CAPT. GARO KUREDJIAN, VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: A deputy was shot. I don't know what his condition is.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Which agency?

KUREDJIAN: With the Ventura County Sheriff's Office.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Were they responding to the scene or?

KUREDJIAN: Yes. They were responding to the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Was it someone who engaged the suspect?

KUREDJIAN: I don't know that but I assume so. But I don't know that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We heard of a report about a security guard who got injured. Do you have a security guard on the scene?

KUREDJIAN: I don't have the information on any of those injured other than the deputy that was injured. That's all that I know.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You don't have any conditions on any of the victims? Is that right? KUREDJIAN: I don't have any conditions on any of the victims.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Eleven total right now that we know of?

KUREDJIAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Are you expecting that number to grow?

KUREDJIAN: I would guess if anything that number would go up. These are, again, like I said earlier, they were preliminary numbers. I want to give you guys numbers as opposed to saying several. But that number could just like what I said earlier six. That number has gone up to 11. That number could change and that's all that I can say at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Are there of those 11 that have not been transported? Is there anyone on scene who is deceased and has not been taken to a hospital?

KUREDJIAN: I don't have that information. I don't know of anyone that is deceased or not transported.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So as far as you know 11 are in the hospital?

KUREDJIAN: I don't know if they were transported or if they're here or what their condition is. I don't know if that answer it.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sir, what do you say to the families? There were so many people, friends and loved ones, worried about the status of their people. When will they know -- when will they be able to look inside?

KUREDJIAN: That will take some time. It's not a scene that is safe where people can go in and out at this point. We have investigators that are looking to make sure that the scene inside the nightclub is safe. And it's going to take some time. I don't have a time estimate for that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you know how this call came in? Was it somebody in the bar who called for help? Someone who left? How did that unfold? Do you know?

KUREDJIAN: I don't know where the call came from. What I can tell you is the call was shots fired. And that's what our deputies responded to. That is what they in fact heard when they arrived on the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you check with security guards upon arrival to confirm or deny if this is belligerent hatred or if there was an altercation or a fight? Maybe it was somebody who came back with a weapon?

KUREDJIAN: I don't have that level of detail. I've been -- since it's been so rapidly unfolding at this point, we're trying to get as much information to give you all about the statistics of what has happened. I don't have that level of detail. I haven't been able to talk to investigators to that level yet.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You said that the shooter is quarantined somewhere or cordoned off?

KUREDJIAN: We don't feel that the shooter has left the bar and grill. So whatever it is, it was contained inside the bar and grill. We don't feel that there is a threat to the public outside, to the neighbors outside.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We heard there was yelling inside the building. And the shooter is inside the building. Wouldn't that -- doesn't that mean that the shooter is down at this point?

KUREDJIAN: I don't know if he's been transported or if he's been captured. What I can tell you is, we don't feel that there is a threat to the residents outside the area.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you know if the Borderline Bar & Grill scans for weapons on patrons coming in?

KUREDJIAN: I don't know that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROMANS: All right. We have some new developments. We know there are 11 victims. We know there are fatalities among those victims including we're told the shooter. So that is the update here. We know that preliminary numbers from law enforcement there or that the number 11 originally have been six, 11 hurt. Now we know that there are fatalities among those, we can report.

BRIGGS: James Gagliano, whether it'd be a nightclub, a country music club or a synagogue like we just saw less than two weeks ago in Pittsburgh.

[05:20:03] The reaction quite often is we need more armed guards. Would that have helped in this situation?

GAGLIANO: You're describing classic soft targets, Dave, right? And what we know about the bad guys, generally speaking they take the path of least resistance. So there is an argument there. That if you put somebody there, that could possibly be a deterrent. But I'll give you some sobering statistics. The New York City Police Department did a study back in the early 2000s. And they determined that officers under stress, when they engage with the bad guy, hit their target one out of five times.

Now these are trained police officers and they generally hit their target 17 percent to 18 percent of the time. So the argument against this is how are you going to be able to put people there that are trained and they are good enough that in a situation like that aren't going to hurt the situation as oppose to help the situation.

I can see it from both ends. Yes, there is a deterrent effect. But somebody committed like this, that shows up, action is always faster than reaction. If you had an armed guard there, it probably would have been the first casualty.

ROMANS: Well, in the case where there was a deputy who was shot, a responding officer was injured, we're told, and we know in Pittsburgh that there were officers who were hurt in that case, too. These are trained professionals responding to an active shooter situation.

GAGLIANO: Christine, let me give you some sobering statistics. Between 2000 and 2017, the FBI track these things now. Mass shootings. Generally speaking there's a debate where there's three or four victims involved. 250 of these since the year 2000. 2200 casualties, almost 900 deaths. And this will certainly add to the toll.

BRIGGS: It will certainly be politicized in the hours ahead without any question.

But to you, again, the biggest evolution of how police handle these mass shootings in the minutes after the police are called, is the speed in which they no longer wait. To you is that the biggest difference?

GAGLIANO: So 46 years ago this summer back in 1972 there was a classic case in Gravesend, Brooklyn, that the NYPD responded to and it was the impetus for the movie "Dog Day Afternoon" in 1975 with Al Pacino. And in that, in that incidence in 1972 the New York City Police Department involved to the point of putting together a hostage negotiation team. And their motto was talk to me.

And in that classic stage, right? It was a bank, and there was bank robber in there and they throw a phone in there and they do a negotiation. The tactics then in the '70s and forward have been contain and negotiate. Put a perimeter there that no one can get into or out of, all right? And then talk to the person. Because in those instances, people were barricaded. They wanted a plane to Antigua.

ROMANS: Right.

GAGLIANO: They wanted nine pizzas and they wanted some of their fellow prisoners, you know, released in some jail across the country.

ROMANS: It's not the same.

GAGLIANO: It's not the same. In instances like this, and we're getting initial reports that the gunman is dead, did the gunman kill himself? Or did the gunman elect to martyr themselves by suicide by cop? Was it an emotionally disturbed person? These are all things that will hopefully be sorted out. We'll know soon.

ROMANS: It's just -- it's awful. I mean, you were talking about mass shootings but you know we have the yoga studio shooting. There were two fatalities there. We have the Kroger Grocery Store shooting, two fatalities there. I mean, there are mass shootings and then there are these drum beat of people trying to do harm.

I want to go on the phone now. We have the Thousand Oaks mayor Andy Fox. Mr. Mayor, thanks for joining us. What are you hearing this hour? We

are hearing -- our reporting is that the gunman is dead. What can you tell us?

MAYOR ANDY FOX, THOUSAND OAKS, CALIFORNIA: So I got notified about midnight today about a mass shooting at one of our local restaurants. Law enforcement responded very quickly. It's my understanding they went in and neutralized the shooter. Identified a number of casualties. I do not know the condition of all the victims. I understand there are some that critically wounded, including one of our sheriff's deputies.

All the wounded have been treated and transported to local area hospitals. The sheriff's department is handling the investigation. And certainly it's a crime scene. And at this point, we know that a number of people have been critically wounded and our thoughts and prayers have to be with their families at this time.

BRIGGS: I can only imagine those families. Again the Ventura County sheriff can confirm multiple fatalities, including the shooter there at the Borderline Bar & Grill.

Mr. Mayor, if you can tell us a little bit about the community and the type of crowd you might expect to be at the Borderline Bar & Grill on a Wednesday night, a college night. A very friendly night to college students from all over the area flock to.

FOX: Sure. Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest cities in the country. We are consistently ranked one of the highest with respect to the lowest crime rate per capita. We are proud of that. Part of that is the diligence of our community and we have an outstanding sheriff's department and police force.

[05:25:06] It's my understanding tonight was, quote, "college night" at this local establishment. So it was filled with a bunch of young adults. I'm not quite sure what the activities were. But it's a western themed bar and grill. And it's my understanding that the shooter went in and started shooting and there were a number of casualties.

ROMANS: It's just awful. You know, we are speaking to the news editor of the Pepperdine Graphic, the student newspaper of Pepperdine, and she told us that there were -- the freshman dorms had organized an outing there. You know, popular among young people. Popular among young people who just want to relax and have a good time.

That's what, Mr. Mayor, makes these places such soft targets for someone who wants to do harm. Will you be reconsidering security at any of these places?

FOX: Well, as I -- as mentioned earlier, the reality is that these type of incidents can happen really at any place at anytime. Even in communities that are considered extremely safe like Thousand Oaks. That's why, you know, law enforcement across the country has always said if you see something, say something. Remain vigilant. But the fact of the matter is if somebody has intent on going in and doing harm, there is very little can be done about it until after the fact.

ROMANS: All right. Mayor Andy Fox, of Thousand Oaks, California. We wish you and your community well as you pick up these pieces this morning.

Again this is still just all rapidly developing. We are told the shooter is dead. There are 11 victims we know so far. Among those there are some fatalities including that shooter.

Andy Fox, thank you, sir, Mr. Mayor.

BRIGGS: So hundreds of college students at the Borderline Bar & Grill at the time of the shooting. More than 20 from Pepperdine University, several from nearby Cal Lutheran which is just about four miles away. CSU Channel Islands, Cal State Channel Island, also a very nearby college. So several hundred young college students. As young as 18 in the bar at the time of the shooting.

Let's hear from one of the eyewitnesses to tell us how they got out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think anybody's OK.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Physically OK?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, physically I'm OK, yes. I just have a cut. A couple cuts on my arm. And you know, clearly I didn't walk in the bar looking like this. But it's just -- yes, I don't know. I'm OK. I just want my people to be OK. That's really all I care about is if my people are OK.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you see the suspect?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you hear the shots?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We heard the shots. I didn't see anybody.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What did it sound like to you? I mean, was it like rapid fire?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It was rapid, it was loud. It was really loud. And just one after another. Like you can't -- like there was like no split time between that and then tons of people who were down there who I just really want to make sure OK. Everyone has been through a lot this year and it's not fair.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How did you get out?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A guy that I know -- I don't really know him, he was able to throw me out the window. They broke -- they had chairs and threw them out the window there. They took me and the girlfriend that I was with and just got us out the window and carried us right up here. And we were able to get picked up by a guy friend of ours to get to our cars and that's how I got to him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Did you see any injured people?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw one person, he was at the front who I heard might not have made it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROMANS: We heard from other eyewitnesses about grabbing chairs and breaking windows and doors to get out. And the fact that the shooter came in right through the front door, shot the bouncer, shot the woman behind the counter, I guess, right at the door and proceeded into the venue.

BRIGGS: So this, again, folks, some reports out there. This is nightclub. But let's give a better sense of it. It's really a country music dancing venue and live music venue. A large open dance floor. Some 2500 square foot dance floor that probably according to eyewitnesses was filled somewhere in hundreds of young college students as young as 18.

Here is a better sense of exactly where the Borderline Bar & Grill is. That's the 101 as you know it. The Ventura Freeway. And it's just off of that in the Thousand Oaks area that the mayor reminds us is one of the safest communities in the United States. People from around the country move there for the safety. Where have we heard that before? Parkland, Florida. One of the safest communities in the United States. People move there because of how safe it was thought to be.

ROMANS: James Gagliano is here with us.

And James, you know, we've heard now from authorities that the shooter is dead. There are fatalities. We have a casualty number of 11. But again this could change. What's happening now? Now that we're getting this information, what's happening there on the scene?

GAGLIANO: Most importantly, are there any more planned attacks?