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Death Toll Rises to 76, Nearly 1,300 Unaccounted For; President Trump Visits Fire Ravaged California; Interview with Congressman John Delaney of Maryland; Trump: Full Report on Death of Jamal Khashoggi Due Tuesday; Florida Recount: Noon Deadline Looms for Manual Recount; Little Rock Police Union Criticized for Injecting Race Into Politics; Testimony of Bloodshed, Corruption at El Chapo's Trial. Aired 7-8a ET
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's a very big problem out there and they are fighting in hell. We have never seen anything like this in California.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Almost 1,300 people are unaccounted for.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have been hearing so many horror stories but I'm sure it's going to get worse before it gets better.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know the CIA has assessed the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, not only was involved in the brutal murder of Saudi journalist and U.S. resident Jamal Khashoggi, but he, in fact, ordered that murder.
MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's barbaric act against an individual and also an attack on a free independent press and we're not going to stand for it.
TRUMP: We're going to be having a very full report over the next two days.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Good Sunday morning to you. The remains of five more people have been found overnight in
California. Now 76 people have been killed in what authorities are calling the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in state history. Teams of rescue workers are now searching for the nearly 1,300 people who are still unaccounted for in California's camp fire.
PAUL: All of this as President Trump's visit to the area yesterday was certainly a highlight.
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TRUMP: This is very sad to see. As far as the lives are concerned, nobody knows quite yet. Up to a certain number but a lot of people are unaccounted for and this is the kind of destruction, in fact, they are telling me this is even not as bad as some areas. Some areas are even beyond that that are just charred. So one thing we have, we have the greatest people in the world looking and helping.
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PAUL: CNN's Kaylee Hartung at a shelter in Yuba City, California, with the very latest.
Kaylee, how are the people there doing and how many are there?
KAYLEE HARTUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Christi, just a few minutes ago, we actually saw an ambulance leave the shelter here in Yuba City, just such a stark reminder of the trauma, both mental and physical, that people inside these shelters are trying to manage. This shelter behind me is at full capacity as so many in this area are. We are told around 90 people are here and lucky for some of them, this shelter also includes an animal shelter which can't be said for very many of these shelters.
Now with 9,700 homes destroyed by the Camp Fire and tens of thousands of people displaced, it is so difficult to wrap your mind around the housing crisis that is developing here in Butte County. For so many people, before they can think about rebuilding, the focus is just on their immediate needs, where they will be laying their heads tonight. That being said, authorities have begun the process of returning some people to where their homes are or where they once were to determine if anything remains and begin that process of moving forward.
But authorities are having to balance that responsibility while also doing their due diligence to continue to recover any human remains that may be left in the rubble. You mentioned that list. Nearly 1,300 names of people still unaccounted for and authorities caution that it's so difficult for them to pinpoint that number because of the sheer number of people who have been displaced. And so, they are working with what they call this raw data that has been accumulated with 911 calls and incident reports to really comb through these names and ensure that every one of them is eventually accounted for, Victor and Christi.
BLACKWELL: Kaylee Hartung for us there in Yuba City, thank you so much. PAUL: Well, President Trump spent yesterday surveying the destruction
across the state of California and he is placing blame on poor forest management and a lack of raking and cleaning.
BLACKWELL: CNN White House reporter Sarah Westwood has more on the president's visit.
What else did he say? What did he see, Sarah?
SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, Victor, good morning.
And the president is back here at the White House after that trip take to him to both northern and southern California. He first visited Paradise, California, a town that has been completely destroyed by the Camp Fire. He saw homes that had been leveled by that blaze. He went on to Malibu to see some of the destruction from the Woolsey Fire.
The president says his views on climate change have not been affected by the damage that he witnessed yesterday in California. As you mentioned, he is continuing to blame forest management from California officials for creating the conditions that have allowed these fires to spread so quickly. He spent the past week criticizing the way the state maintains its wooded areas and he's even threatened to pull federal funding from it.
[07:05:05] And, yesterday, the president said that other countries don't have this kind of problem with wildfires because they clean up the flammable debris from their forest. Take a listen.
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TRUMP: When you look at other countries where they do it differently and it's a whole different story. I was with the president of Finland and he said, we have much different -- we are a forest nation. He called it a forest nation and they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don't have any problem. What it is, it's a very small problem. So I know everybody is looking at that to that end.
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WESTWOOD: The president also met with FEMA Administrator Brock Long. He was traveling yesterday with the Democratic governor of California, Jerry Brown, the Governor-elect Gavin Newsome. The president made time to meet with people affected by the shooting at a popular bar in Thousand Oaks earlier this month. The president met with victims and law enforcement official.
Victor and Christi, he described his day in California as a tough one.
PAUL: Yes, he did. Sarah Westwood, we appreciate it. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: All right. Joining me now, Democratic Congressman John Delaney from Maryland sixth.
Congressman, welcome back to the show. REP. JOHN DELANEY (D), MARYLAND: Good morning.
BLACKWELL: All right. So, let's start here. You are a member of the House Bipartisanship Climate Solutions Caucus at least for, what? Another week, a couple of weeks or so before the session ends? And you have to focus on your run for president.
I want you to listen to something the president said yesterday in California.
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REPORTER: Does seeing the devastation change your change on climate change, Mr. President?
TRUMP: No. I want a strong opinion. We will have forests that are very safe because we can't go through this every year we go through this and we will have safe forests and it's happening as we speak.
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BLACKWELL: He wants great climate and we are going to have safe forests. What's your take on that? What does it mean to you?
DELANEY: Well, the president is a climate denier. He has not been someone who has acknowledged that climate change is happening. The human behavior is contributing to it. So, I think his opinion on this matter is really in many ways is not that relevant because he doesn't look at the right way.
I think climate change is clearly a contributing factor as to why weather patterns have changed which has contributed to the conditions that lead to these tragic and horrific fires. But there is, obviously, other factors in play as well. But climate change is clearly one of them.
BLACKWELL: So, he says that -- look, you may not be an expert here and neither is the president.
BLACKWELL: But he says that forest management is a part of this. Are there things from what you know about this topic that can make these fires at least less frequent, if not less destructive?
DELANEY: Yes. You think about what these fires are typically started by some human activity, including power lines, and power line maintenance is a critical part of this, right? So that is a factor. What we do to manage our forests is important to this discussion.
But you have to remember, these fires didn't actually start in kind of densely dense forests. Many of them started in kind of brush areas. So, there are management factors that contribute, there is human behavior that has contributed to it, there's things we can do to be more careful. And then, obviously, there is a long-term issue which is climate change. So, they are all contributing to a situation where we have these
really terrible fires. I mean, this is going to be a record year for fires in California and so we have to look holistically in what's actually going on and get behind it. But forest management, you know, making better investments on infrastructure, listening to the firefighters and taking back their recommendations, we really need a national and California specific strategy for how to deal with this so we don't have these happening every year and destroying people's lives and causing the kind of loss of life that we are seeing.
BLACKWELL: All right. Let's talk politics.
BLACKWELL: With the question now that I'm obligated to ask every Democratic member of the House, even a short timer like yourself -- should Nancy Pelosi be the next speaker of the House?
DELANEY: Nancy Pelosi will be the next speaker of the House.
BLACKWELL: Should she be the next speaker of the House?
DELANEY: Well, she has overwhelming support in the caucus. So, the answer to that is yes.
BLACKWELL: So she should be?
BLACKWELL: OK. Beyond overwhelming support in the caucus, why should she be?
DELANEY: Well, look, again, she is the only person who is running for speaker of the House so that is actually in some ways the easiest answer to your question, right? Unless somebody else is running, which I haven't seen anyone else step forward and say they're actually running, she is the only person who is running. She's got overwhelming support in the caucus and she will be elected the next speaker of the House.
Now having said that, you know, I would encourage soon to be Speaker Pelosi to help lead the caucus through succession planning for the next wave of leadership, because I think most people, including members in the caucus who support Speaker Pelosi believe we do need new leaders to start stepping forward.
[07:10:15] That's what creates a healthy organization. The Democratic House Caucus is no different. We've had the same leadership in place a long time and it's time for new people to step forward and given the opportunity to lead the caucus. So that absolutely has to happen.
But at this moment in time, there is no one else who has stepped forward and said that they are going to run for speaker of the House. So, in many ways, by default, Speaker Pelosi or Leader Pelosi will be the speaker. And she also did a very good job this cycle. I mean, this was a big victory for Democrats to take back the house
and put a restrain on a president who, thus far, has been unrestrained. And so, we shouldn't reduce the significance of her contributions but also have to recognize unless someone else is going to run for the position and step forward, then she will absolutely be the speaker of the House of Representatives.
BLACKWELL: Do you want someone to run this time around for the 116th?
DELANEY: No one is.
BLACKWELL: But do you think someone should, Congressman?
DELANEY: You know, I think that's the individual's decision. I mean, I always think the battle of ideas is incredibly important in politics and business, whatever the case may be. And clearly, we would have a better battle of ideas, if you will, if had other people throwing their hat in the ring, but that's not happening.
BLACKWELL: All right, Congressman. We went around two or three things on the Nancy Pelosi question. I still you're holding off on something there.
BLACKWELL: Let me ask you one more thing about your run for president here. You've been running about a year now. You have been, according to "Politico" report I read that you spent -- your campaign spent $1 million on ads up in Iowa. You're literally the only person running.
But according to the latest CNN poll, of more than a dozen hopefuls, you were at the bottom of the list there with less than 1 percent support. You're the only person in the race. What is going wrong?
DELANEY: Well, nothing is going wrong. I mean, we've been focusing our campaign on Iowa and New Hampshire. The poll statistics, I think you're citing are probably national polls.
BLACKWELL: They are.
DELANEY: The country hasn't really focused on the presidential elections yet. We have about a 79 percent name ID in Iowa. You know, I've done 19 trips to Iowa and 12 to New Hampshire.
So, the way this is going to play out we feel good where we are at this point, next year, there'll be a lot of focus on this race. We are going to have about 20 to 25 people on the ground in Iowa. We have, by far, the biggest campaign operation going on in Iowa at this point.
BLACKWELL: You're the only person running.
DELANEY: Well, yes, but that's not true.
BLACKWELL: You're the biggest operation if you're the only declared candidate, right? DELANEY: Well, Victor, as you and I know, there's other people who
are running, they're just not being honest about it.
BLACKWELL: Declared candidate.
DELANEY: Those are different things.
DELANEY: We'll have a hundred people on the ground by June. So I think what you're going to see unfold next year is people focusing on what is going on the ground in Iowa and New Hampshire where we have a good sized operation, very high name ID, and we are will do well in polls in those states and then people like yourself will start looking at polls in those states, talking about that more. My name ID will grow nationally and then I'll be in a good position not only in those two states but nationally.
BLACKWELL: All right. Congressman John Delaney, always good to have you.
DELANEY: Thanks, Victor.
PAUL: Coming up, President Trump is so skeptical who is the responsible for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, despite the CIA's assessment that the crown prince made that order. How this is affecting the future of U.S.-Saudi relations now?
[07:17:38] BLACKWELL: The relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia is now being tested after the State Department says they have no final conclusion on who is responsible for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
PAUL: Which is different from the CIA's assessment that the Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing last month. And the president is still skeptical and said the CIA is going to have a full report Tuesday.
CNN law enforcement analyst and retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano is with us now.
So good to have you here. The senior intelligence official said the CIA assessment was partly from recordings of the crown prince's brother. You start thinking about the evidence that they might have. If that isn't what they determine to be high confidence evidence, what is?
JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Christi and Victor, we are immersed in the intersection of diplomacy and justice. And this is difficult. I served in Mexico City for the FBI. I understand how diplomacy takes high precedence. We are dealing with the relationship in Saudi Arabia, a country's that's been a friend of ours over in the Middle East. However, to your point, two major intercepts that the CIA is basing
this intelligence on. One was the crown prince's brother that you referred to apparently contact he made with Khashoggi earlier, advising him to go to the consulate in Turkey, and second was one of the hit team apparently reaching out to one of the closed confidants or associates of MBS, the crown prince, immediately after the killing.
The issue here is could this have been an extra judicial killing? Absolutely. How do we deal with this with a not a U.S. citizen but a U.S. resident? If this occurred in the U.S. embassy or U.S. consulate overseas, we have purview and investigation jurisdiction. In this instance, a little trickier than that.
BLACKWELL: OK. Let's talk here about the discrepancy between the CIA and the State Department. The CIA, thus far, in this preliminary report, has determined that Mohammed bin Salman ordered personally the killing of Khashoggi. The State Department says that they had not yet reached a conclusion.
Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, says the president has confidence in the CIA, but she would refer everyone to the State Department. What do you make of that? And, second, is it possible that we will get to Tuesday and the State Department and the intelligence community will not be in lock step?
[07:20:06] GAGLIANO: So, the business of intelligence collection and dissemination is a difficult task. It's imperfect. It's an imprecise science and I'll use the example of WMDs in Iraq as a perfect example of this.
I don't think it's a good look for the president when he gets out in front of the intelligence community and suggests that it's premature, we don't have the facts in. Of course, he has more information at hand than I do. I think we need to wait on this.
The State Department's piece of this is because Khashoggi was here on a O visa, which is the genius visa, somebody can bring something to the United States, a doctor or something like that. How we handle this going forward it's going to be difficult. We do billions of dollars worth of deals with the Saudis for arms. We use their space at times, you know, for military operations in coordination and intelligence gathering and a tricky situation going forward.
The CIA is the intelligence collector here and if that is their assessment and I know part of their assessment is based on Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy. So, the crown prince is the legislative branch and the executive branch and the judicial branch in this. It's going to be difficult and complex situation.
PAUL: So, Gina Haspel, a CIA director and security adviser John Bolton said lieutenants for Mohammed were directly involved in this.
How likely is it that his lieutenants were involved and crown prince over here has no idea what is going on?
GAGLIANO: Unlikely. I mean, does it pass the smell test? With my understanding how things work in Saudi Arabia, no, that doesn't pass the smell test. The CIA is basing a big part of their assessment on the fact that in that country, people, generally speaking, like these lieutenants that were dispatched to Istanbul would not have operated, you know, on their own. They would absolutely have taken a direction to do something like that.
The intercepts, the signal intercepts where they got the call that came back saying, tell the boss, they are also doing back. They're looking at that as circumstantial evidence. Again, right now, we are in kind in a position where sanctions are probably are our only options right now.
BLACKWELL: So one of the more delicate and sensitive elements of this entire saga has been Khashoggi's remains and what happened to his body. I want you to listen to the Turkish defense minister here and what he said was possible in this case.
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HULUSKI AKAR, TURKISH DEFENSE MINISTER: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold on. You're saying at Turkish airports you understand it I could have been there with my daughter coming into Turkey with a tourist and a Saudi death squad was carrying body parts of Jamal Khashoggi through that airport in diplomatic bags?
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BLACKWELL: That's because diplomats' bags aren't search through security. Is that plausible?
GAGLIANO: It is plausible and correct in that instance. Things can come in and out of a country. Remember, in Istanbul, at the Saudi consulate, that is Saudi Arabian soil. So, it's not subject to inspection by the Turks or anybody else.
The only way that the FBI in this instance could get involved is if there is a request from Turkey or Saudi Arabia. That's what makes it so damn complex and difficult to deal with.
PAUL: All right. Good heavens. James Gagliano, thank you so much.
BLACKWELL: Thank you.
GAGLIANO: Thanks for having me.
PAUL: Always appreciate your expertise.
GAGLIANO: Thanks for having me.
PAUL: So, CNN political commentator Errol Louis is with us now as well. Errol, you've been listening to this. What do you say to -- well,
let's listen to President Trump here first of all, because what we have been talking about here is they are trying to balance the economics between these two countries with this brutal murder that we are hearing about.
Here is what the president said.
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TRUMP: You know we have a great ally in Saudi Arabia. They give us a lot of jobs. They give us a lot of business, a lot of economic development. They are -- they have been a truly spectacular ally in terms of jobs and economic development, and I also take that -- you know, I'm president. I have to take a lot of things into consideration.
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PAUL: So, yes, economically, it's important. Militarily, it can be important as James was just talking about, but also saying this was a brutal murder, a man was murdered. He was dismembered.
How does the U.S. deal with that? Are sanctions the only option as James was talking about?
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, there are a number of different options and all very difficult. As much as I try not to ever do this, I would, for a moment, try and translate some of what I think the president was trying to say there, which is that for this president, as for all presidents, there are no easy choices when it comes to this sort of thing.
Foreign policy and diplomacy is not a feel-good exercise. It's not about moral posturing. There are a lot of really, really tough considerations.
One of the other ones, by the way, it's not about arm sales and economic relationships, 10,000 people have died in Yemen and putting pressure on the Saudis or engaging them to try to bring that to some kind of a conclusion before this disaster continues, this humanitarian starvation disaster that's going on in the region.
[07:25:04] That's something else that the president has to try to do and you have to balance all of these considerations against one man's life.
It's a really, really tough business. This is the business that he signed up for and there aren't going any good universally satisfactory choices that come out of this.
PAUL: Yes, very good point. I want to switch gears here very quickly here, because last week, North Korea, we know, tested this high advanced weaponry and negotiations talks, Vice President Mike Pence made a concession on a key U.S. demand for denuclearization.
I want to listen to what want vice president said.
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PENCE: What President Trump believes is that there is an opportunity here for peace and denuclearization on the Korean peninsula. And he believes that what was signed in Singapore with Chairman Kim represents a starting point for us to achieve the full, irreversible denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.
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PAUL: And he said, I can assure you we're not going to be distracted or we're not going to be deterred either. He said the president believes another summit could help.
Do you think another summit could help?
LOUIS: Well, you know, there are problems with that summit. I mean, despite what the vice president said there about complete irreversible d denuclearization of the peninsula, what we are finding at the staff level they can't set the framework for a new summit because at the staff level, they can't get a list from North Korea of where the nuclear sites are. You know, that's kind of a really basic sort of a step and it really just shows that they are still at stalemate.
The notion that you try and blow through all of that stuff at a summit, well, I think we have established just in the ambiguities that have emerged since Singapore, that that's not necessarily the right way to do it. It's really once the folks down at the lower levels get some kind of trust, some kind of understanding, some kind of factual basis on which to strike a deal, the summit makes sense.
But, you know, if it's just about kind of a public relations exercise that could work frankly for both the North Koreans and for the White House, then, yes, a bit of an empty exercise and maybe it's just Singapore 2.
PAUL: All righty. Yes, and it was just six months ago. Errol Louis, thank you so much. Good to see you.
LOUIS: You too. Thanks.
BLACKWELL: Up next, we are in Florida. And as the new deadline for hand-counted ballots approaches, hope seems to be dwindling for Senator Bill Nelson's campaign.
[07:32:26] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: We're more than a week now after polls closed in the 2018 midterm elections. Counties in Florida have until noon to do to turn in results of a manual recount.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, and today's results are going to end nearly two weeks of scrutiny about election process in Florida, including criticism of some of the state's election officials.
CNN politics reporter Dan Merica joins us from Tallahassee now.
So, Dan, what is the expectation today?
DAN MERICA, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: Good morning, Victor and Christi.
Behind me here at the secretary of state's office in Florida is when the recount here in Florida, barring any further legal maneuvering with come to a close and all of the pressure is on Senator Bill Nelson, the senior Democrat from the state, who actually trails by about 12,000 votes to governor Rick Scott in his bid for re-election. The pressure ratcheted up yesterday when Andrew Gillum, the mayor of Tallahassee, bowed out of the gubernatorial contest here, conceding to Ron DeSantis, the Republican in the race.
Now, they were in different places. Gillum's concession was a long time coming, he trailed DeSantis by about 33,000 votes. Right now, it's only 12,000 votes for Bill Nelson. But the reason that the pressure ratcheted up on Nelson when Gillum got out was because the two had been kind of linked arm in arm together fighting for every count to be counted. And in Gillum's concession, he more or less says, you know, this is over. Every vote is about to be counted. I'm bowing out.
That is why pressure is now squarely on Bill Nelson to figure out what he will do, maybe before the deadline at noon when the hand recount here in Florida ends or possibly afterwards. Democrats kind of came into this recount pretty clear-eyed there was going to be no silver bullet to fix and to close the gap for these two races. They needed wins both in the legal arena, with a series of lawsuits that would have expanded the universe of ballots that they could have had counted and during this machine recount which all of the ballots were run through again. They needed some wins there as well.
And frankly, they got neither of them, and that is why pressure right now is squarely on Bill Nelson to figure out what he does as this deadline moves forward in Florida -- Victor and Christi.
PAUL: All righty. Dan Merica, appreciate it. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: The police union in Little Rock, Arkansas, is drawing criticism over its attack of a candidate for mayor in the city.
In a now retracted Facebook post, the city's Fraternal Order of Police wrote: The guy on the left is Frank Scott Jr. who is running for Little Rock mayor. The guy on the right is Roderick Talley. Tonight, Talley is running from law enforcement after fleeing the cross county courthouse and hitting a deputy sheriff with a car. Tell the guy on the left to help us find the guy on the right who's publicly supporting his campaign.
[07:35:04] The Little Rock Fraternal Order of Police wants the citizens of Little Rock to know that candidates who align themselves with fleeing felons fail the qualifications for any public office.
Joining me now is the man on the left of that picture, Frank Scott Jr., a candidate for mayor of Little Rock. Frank, good morning to you.
FRANK SCOTT JR., RUNNING FOR MAYOR IN LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS: Good morning. How are you?
BLACKWELL: I'm very well, thank you.
CNN's Bakari Seller tweeted this out after that was posted saying that Little Rock Fraternal Order of Police is trying their own Willie Horton style attack, refers to a notorious campaign ad from 30 years ago that blatantly played on racial fears and stereotypes and try to tank by association.
Do you agree with that characterization that this was a Willie Horton style post that played on potential racial stereotypes?
SCOTT: Well, there are definitely stark similarities to what has happened to our campaign this past week. This is clearly a divisive smear tactic against my campaign when we, this entire time, had been focusing on unifying our city and making sure we move from being disconnected to connected.
This also stems from the opportunity where during my campaign, that we have been focused squarely on securing our neighborhoods and helping make certain that we have true community policing. But also, we've been calling for independent citizens review board. That's one of the reasons I believe that back in October that the Little Rock Fraternal Order of Police decided not to endorse my campaign.
BLACKWELL: Yes, they have --
SCOTT: But I want to make certain it's very clear, that I strongly support and respect Little Rock Police Department.
BLACKWELL: OK. So, let's talk more -- I want to finish with this post and talk about the Police Department, because there's plenty of talk about there as well. Talley was arrested for being late to a court appearance. He is accused of hitting a deputy while fleeing the building and turned himself in.
What is the story behind the photograph?
SCOTT: Well, the story behind the photograph is moments before that photograph was taken, I was actually -- many may not know I'm an associate pastor at the Greater Second Baptist Church, and I came to offer prayers to Mr. Talley. I also came there because of what was exposed by "The Washington Post" due to some no-knock warrants that have been going rampant right here in the city of Little Rock.
So, I wanted to understand this very unconstitutional tactic that's been posted by the Little Rock Police Department and offer prayers to Mr. Talley as an associate pastor.
BLACKWELL: So, let's talk about that. You brought up "The Washington Post" story. Robert Talley is featured in this "Post" story from about a month ago, maybe five weeks now. And the title is Little Rock's dangerous and illegal drug war. And he is suing the police in the city and claiming he was the victim of illegal no-knock warrants and the writer says that the Little Rock Police Department narcotics unit is violating the Fourth Amendment nearly every time its officers serve a drug warrant and the city's judges, the check and balance on police excess are letting it happen.
Do you believe that police department -- you say you respect the law enforcement there in the city. Do you believe that the police department is routinely violating the constitutional rights of the people of Little Rock?
SCOTT: I do. This is a common practice that we've -- has been exposed by "The Washington Post", another reason why I attended that press conference to grant more information about it. I think this is another case of when you have true community policing, you also understand cultural competency, you understand the rule of law, as well as implicit bias and de-escalation tactics. And I'm hoping that a new Little Rock Police Department will now understand that the no- knock warrants has a clear and unconstitutional tactic against its residents and that it's residents that have been shared with me as well have been covered by "The Washington Post", we are not standing for that.
BLACKWELL: All right. We tried to get a comment from the Little Rock Fraternal Order of Police, but they spoke with two CNN affiliates. Let me read what they said. John Gilchrist, the president, he said that: we were trying to make a connection and went down race lines and that was not the intent for us to go. Also though, everything in the post was correct and factual and I'm not apologizing for the post.
Again, that group has endorsed your opponent in this runoff. Do you think that this post will have an impact on the race finally?
SCOTT: Yes. This post has had an impact on the race. It's clearly shown that our city continues to be disconnected but I want to make sure it's very clear. We are not so distant we can't come back together.
Again, that's my internal why I'm running for mayor of my hometown is to unify our city. I have credibility in every area of our city and can truly bring us back together. This is just an instance where we have to continue to focus on cultural incompetency. And when you focus on cultural competency, you understand all sides of the perspective in our city.
I would hope that the Fraternal Order of Police would reject this tactic that they have taken. But I also would ask that my opponent would hope they would disavow this issue as well.
BLACKWELL: All right. Frank Scott, Jr., thanks so much.
SCOTT: Thank you so much, Victor.
PAUL: Well, Republican Senator Jeff Flake is joining Jake Tapper later this morning. You can watch "STATE OF THE UNION" only on CNN at 9:00 a.m. and noon. [04:40:05] So, as his late friend John McCain was fond of quoting, if
you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. That's a famous quote from Harry Truman. But with rumors swirling that Joe Biden might take another run for the highest office in the land -- well, he is checking a box for an aspiring candidate.
BLACKWELL: Meet Major. Joe Biden and Dr. Jill Biden adopted a German shepherd this weekend from a Delaware animal shelter. Major came from a litter of surrendered puppies and not expected to make it but Bidens brought to good health and they decided they couldn't let him go.
PAUL: Once you foster them back, you can't go. Bye-bye.
BLACKWELL: So I've heard.
PAUL: Good for them.
PAUL: So, drug kingpin king El Chapo, his trial, it includes some horrifying testimony, talking about murder, talking about corruption. We're going to tell you what's going on.
[07:45:23] BLACKWELL: Drug kingpin El Chapo's trial is on in Brooklyn and it's filled with some really gruesome details. Joaquin Guzman faces charges of money laundering, drug trafficking, and conspiracy of murder.
PAUL: And security, of course, is tied because El Chapo has escaped from prison twice already.
CNN's Polo Sandoval has the details.
POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Testimony that's come out of federal court in Brooklyn is befitting of a narco novel. For three days, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman sat quietly as prosecutors painted him as a ruthless cartel kingpin.
Among his charges, drug trafficking, conspiring to kill rivals and money laundering. During opening arguments on November 13th, the U.S. attorney described as the Mexican drug lord as a hands on boss of the Sinaloa cartel, a ruthless killer who commanded armies of gunman and responsible for pumping tons of cocaine into the U.S.
Guzman's defense attorney on the other hand told jurors the case was ploy to blame one man for drugs that infiltrated the U.S. Defense attorney Jeffrey Lichtman argued: Guzman was either in prison or hiding out from 1993 to 2017; the flow of drugs never slowed down. Yet, he is blamed for being the leader. The truth is, he was the leader of nothing.
Jurors have already been taken on a virtual tour of one of the Sinaloa cartel's trademark smuggling tunnels. They were shown this video in the court. You can see the pathway that connected Mexico with Arizona until it was discovered in the early '90s and shut down for good.
The most compelling testimony has come from this man, imprisoned Sinaloa cartel chief Jesus Zamabada Garcia, aka "El Rey" or the king. In court, the king pointed to Guzman as his brother's partner. Zamabada recalled being asked by Guzman to bribe Mexican officials in several occasions. He also told the jury his first face-to-face meeting with Guzman came in 2001 after helping the narco boss escape.
Guzman's beauty queen wife Emma Coronel remains Chapo's main supporter in the trial expected to last at least four months. It will be short because of the Thanksgiving holiday but likely to provide jurors with more grisly tales of bloodshed and deep-rooted corruption.
PAUL: Polo Sandoval, thank you so much.
Up next. A reboot of "The Office"? Is that happening? There's a small cast reunion on "Saturday Night Live" that has people listened closely.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. I am proud to announce officially that --
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[07:52:21] BLACKWELL: That's fancy music.
BLACKWELL: Steve Carell hosted "SNL" last night and the show had his former cast members from "The Office." So, in the opening monologue, there were some obviously hopes of a reboot.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People would really love to see an "Office" reboot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because I need that money. Let's get that money, Steve.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just don't think you understand how much money we're talking about. Like you wouldn't have to do all those sad movies anymore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Steve, do you remember the last words that Pam secretly whispered to Michael as she left to Denver? STEVE CARELL, ACTOR: Not really.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said, Steve, don't be a dick. Do the reboot.
CARELL: I don't remember that at all.
All right. I am proud to announce, officially, that we have a great show tonight!
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PAUL: Oh, that's just wrong.
PAUL: That's wrong.
"SNL" also had Carell playing Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos where he launches a new delivery service for the company.
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CARELL AS AMAZON CEO JEFF BEZOS: I am here to announce a brand new delivery option that doesn't involve the post office at all. Amazon caravan. Any package going to any Trump building will get delivered by hundreds of Honduran and Mexican immigrants and I will foot the bill.
And I want to make sure to give back to the new communities for joining. That's why I'm purchasing a building in Queens that used to be the crown jewel of Fred Trump's real estate empire and converting it into public urinals. In Virginia, very close to Arlington National Cemetery, so we can pay tribute to fallen veterans, even when it's raining outside.
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PAUL: Wow. All righty then. So, we're moving on here a little bit, because if you're a runner, you know it's easy to get injured. You pull a hamstring or something. There is a way to avoid that.
BLACKWELL: We hit the treadmill in today's staying well.
COLLEEN BROUGH, DIRECTOR, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY RUNLAB : Without question, running is tough on the body. Anywhere between 60 and 80 percent of all runners will get injured. Through running analysis, we're able to identify what part of the runner's form may be driving their injury.
MEERA ZUCKER, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER: I've done some 10Ks, a few half marathons and New York City marathon I go at my own pace so I know I'm not hurting myself or overdoing it. I was training and I started noticing knee pain and eventually it was happening within the first mile.
I went to go see a physical therapist.
[07:55:00] She did a gait analysis and saw what areas of my form were weak.
CARLY GRAHAM, PHYSICAL THERAPIST, FINISH LINE: What the software can show is where your foot is hitting the ground, how much force is going through you, your forward lean, how much you're loading each of your joints. A functional assessment on the ground, and then looking at their postural alignment.
ZUCKER: Because I was leaning too far back when I was running, my hips were tilted incorrectly, which was pulling my quad muscles and then my knees. She told me how to correct my form. I do a hip flexor stretch, opening up the front of my torso. She set me up with a bunch of exercises to do. If I start to feel a little pain, usually, if I make that adjustment usually it goes away immediately. Hopefully, my options are limitless.
PAUL: Hopefully, absolutely.
Thank you so much for starting your morning with us. We hope you make good memories today.
BLACKWELL: "INSIDE POLITICS" with John King starts after a quick break.