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2 Hurt, Gunman Killed in Alabama Mall Shooting; Bargain Hunters Hit Stores for Holiday Deals; Trump Airs Grievances after Politicized Call with Troops; GOP House Judiciary Chair Subpoenas Comey & Lynch; Trump Defends Whitaker Pick & Ivanka's Personal E-mail Use. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired November 23, 2018 - 06:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard one, and then, bang, bang. People started screaming.

[05:59:27] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One person killed, two others wounded in an Alabama mall on Black Friday.

GREGG RECTOR, CAPTAIN, HOOVER POLICE DEPARTMENT: We were fortunate that Hoover officer was there, that he prevented further injuries.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump talking to military commanders across the world.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The CIA doesn't say he did it. Maybe he did or maybe he didn't.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want him to thank those service members. And it breaks my heart that he can't do it.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is NEW DAY. It is Friday, November 23, 6 a.m. here in New York. John Berman is off. John Avlon joins me.

Happy belated Thanksgiving.

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST/ANCHOR: Happy day after Thanksgiving, or happy Black Friday.

CAMEROTA: That's right.

AVLON: As they ominously call it.

CAMEROTA: Yes, we'll talk about that. Did you have a good turkey day?

AVLON: I did, I did. A little family and friends at the beach. Flew back yesterday, so I had turkey jerky and watched "Dead Pool II" on the plane, as the pilgrims intended.

CAMEROTA: Did you?

AVLON: How about yourself?

CAMEROTA: I ate delicious food. Thirty-two people went to my sister- in-law's House. It was fantastic. I consumed, like, you know, 20,000 calories. I'm still digesting.

AVLON: The tryptophan is wearing off, slowly.

CAMEROTA: OK. Yes. All right. We have a big show to get to. In fact, we do start with some breaking news for you, because another night of gun violence and a mass shooting in America. A gunman has opened fire inside a crowded Alabama mall on Thanksgiving night. Terrified holiday shoppers, as you can see on your screen, had to run for cover.

AVLON: Police say two people were shot, including a 12-year-old girl. Authorities say armed police officers inside the mall confronted the gunman within seconds, shooting and killing him.

The Galleria, Alabama's largest mall, remains closed this morning after the scary incident. CNN's Dianne Gallagher live in Hoover, Alabama, with the breaking details.

DIANNE GALLAGHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And John, there are plenty of people here in Hoover who are waking up with one more thing to be thankful for they likely weren't planning on, and that's law enforcement.

The fact that there were so many officers on hand here at the Galleria for early Black Friday shopping to deal with the shoppers. Instead, they stopped a shooter.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shooter! A shooter! Everybody out.

GALLAGHER (voice-over): Chaos erupting inside an Alabama shopping mall packed with Black Friday shoppers.

MAVENY WHITE, WITNESS: All of a sudden, I heard, like, my manager just yell, "There was gunshots."

GALLAGHER: The shooting at the Riverchase Galleria near Birmingham after two people got into a fight. The alleged gunman shot an 18- year-old man outside a store and then tried to run away from the area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard one, and then, bang, bang, and then right after that people started screaming and going crazy to just get away from it. And then cops ran by us with their guns drawn.

GALLAGHER: Police officers on duty for the holiday season reacting quickly. LEXIE JOYNER, WITNESS: And they stuffed us in supply closets and

locked the doors. They seemed prepared. And then we sat there for five to ten minutes, all freaking out. And then they opened the escape route doors, and we escaped through the escape route doors.

GALLAGHER: Alabama.com reporting "Several shoppers were also seen with their guns drawn." Police say one officer confronted the suspected gunman, shot and killed him.

RECTOR: We were fortunate that Hoover officer was there, where he needed to be, and we believe at this point that -- that maybe he prevented further injuries.

GALLAGHER: Also caught in the crossfire, a 12-year-old girl.

RECTOR: We believe, last we heard, that she was alert, conscious and talking.

GALLAGHER: Those who were inside say they're grateful for mall employees who helped keep the scary situation calm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As soon as everybody started screaming, they was, like, "Shut the doors, shut the doors." They was being courteous of the -- you know, the visitors that was in the stores.

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GALLAGHER: Now, that 12-year-old girl is now in stable condition after making it through surgery. The 18-year-old who was shot twice is still in serious condition at UAB hospital. And in nearby Jefferson County, sheriff's deputies are going to be investigating this shooting, because it was an officer-involved shooting.

John, that officer has been placed on administrative leave, as is typical in situations like this.

AVLON: Well, great to hear about the recovery. And best wishes to everyone in Hoover, Alabama.

Meanwhile, in happier mall news, the official start of the holiday shopping season is officially here. Bargain hunters are lining up early, hitting the stores to get the good deals in their pockets, while online shoppers spent billions already on Thanksgiving day. CNN's Alison Kosik live inside a Best Buy store in Paramus, New Jersey, where it all happens -- Alison.

ALISON KOSIK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John.

You were talking about shoppers lining up. Outside of this Best Buy in Paramus, two people are lined up. Two. But here's the shocker with all of this. It's 12 degrees outside. And what are they waiting for? They're waiting for big-screen TVs. These are the door busters, which means you're probably going to get a good price on those TVs.

As you said, people already have been spending Thanksgiving day, $3.7 billion expected to have been spent on peoples' phones while they were eating their turkey dinners. Today, $5.9 billion expected to be spent in stores and online, especially on this Black Friday. And then Cyber Monday, another $7.8 billion. So yes, you can say that we are in the middle of a big holiday shopping spending blitz.

What are people spending on? They're spending on these gaming consoles. They are expected to move very quickly. What's the hot game of the season? Call of Duty: Black Ops. That's expected to sell very well, as well.

[06:05:00] Drones are also another big draw for people. So electronics are really a top draw for people this year. If you look overall for the months of November and December, the National Retail Federation expects that consumers will go ahead and spend $720 billion on their holiday shopping list.

What's driving all these sales? Consumer confidence is high. Unemployment is low, and a lot of times, Alisyn and John, how you feel really dictates how much you're going to spend -- Alisyn, John.

CAMEROTA: OK, Alison, thank you very much. We'll check back with you, obviously, through the problem.

Now to politics. President Trump used a Thanksgiving Day call with troops to praise himself and vent his spleen about federal judges and asylum-seeking migrants. The president is threatening to close the southern border with Mexico and warning that his desire for a border wall could trigger a government shutdown.

Once again, Mr. Trump rejected the CIA's assessment that the Saudi crown prince ordered the killing of "Washington Post" journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

So joining us now is CNN White House correspondent, Kaitlan Collins, who is in Florida near the president's Mar-a-Lago estate; David Drucker, senior political correspondent for "The Washington Examiner," and Errol Louis, political anchor for Spectrum News.

Great to have all of you guys on this day after Thanksgiving with us.

Errol, the president had a very busy day of calls on Thanksgiving when he wasn't playing golf. It was -- there were rumors, there was some buzz, there was some expectation that maybe he would have this surprise visit, as other presidents have, to troops in combat zones, but that didn't happen.

ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: In the end, he ended up on the golf course.

CAMEROTA: In the end he ended up on the golf course, and I guess I'll just start with is that a custom that it's time to retire? You know, the president breaks all sorts of customs. Is that one that we're ready to get rid of?

LOUIS: Well, there are probably different ways one could imagine that he could break the tradition in a way that wouldn't offend people's sensibilities the way this one did. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have dedicated their

lives to the military. Those warriors and their families deserve a commander-in-chief who's going to take into account that they're separated from their families, that they're guarding the nation, that they're doing what they're supposed to do in a nonpartisan manner that's in the best tradition of the country.

I mean, that's -- you know, yes, it's great to change tradition, because everything ought to change once in a while. But that's such a good one, you know? It's so helpful. It's so inoffensive to the rest of us and so helpful and supportive to those who really need it.

Again, people who were separated from their families because they chose to serve the nation. It's a volunteer Army and a volunteer military. They chose to do this. It would be so wonderful.

But the president has other aims. You know, and this came off, frankly, as somebody who is focused on his re-election. The president, make no mistake about it, is campaigning. You know, we shouldn't begrudge him that. The guy is trying to get re-elected. It's a little early, one would think, but that's, I think, where he's coming from.

AVLON: Far be it that we head into the begrudging territory. But typically, what the president would do if he doesn't visit the troops on Thanksgiving would be to give thanks for the troops. Instead, here's what he gave thanks for.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you most thankful for, Mr. President?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: For having a great family and for having made a tremendous difference in this country. I've made a tremendous difference in the country. This country is so much stronger now than when I took office, and you wouldn't believe it.

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AVLON: Everyone is thankful for their family, and they should give thanks, but the one that's -- the show stopper there is "me." The president is thankful for himself and the gifts he put upon us.

DAVID DRUCKER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: John and Alisyn, enough about me. What do you think about me?

Well, the president is who he is. He -- he can't help himself, and I think we're all used to it by now. I think what was interesting is that this came on Thanksgiving when even some of the most political politicians, and that's, let's face it, who they are. They're very political animals. And they're always trying to further their message, usually take Thanksgiving and Christmas off, and this president takes no day off. And that is going to be appealing to some. I say, and Errol brings up a great point about the president running

for reelection. And he is clearly not going to change after the midterm elections.

But a very interesting thing I discovered on the road and in talking to voters and candidates. And that is that the economy for many people is doing well, but that was not the motivating factor in their vote.

I talked to Dean Phillips. He won a suburban Minneapolis seat. And I said to him, "You have one of the lowest unemployment rates in America of any House district, and yet, you're in a position" -- this was a few days before the election -- "to oust your -- the Republican incumbent."

And he said, "Hey, I would never tell you the economy isn't booming." He said, "Truth is truth. People in my district, the district I want to represent, are doing very well. But there's a palpable anxiety that they are feeling, and that is motivating everything.

And so for the president, I think, as he looks ahead to 2020 and tries to manage his leadership of the country, it might benefit him to understand that playing this sort of politics can sometimes create a kind of angst that makes people very uncomfortable and full of anxiety. And it's the kind of thing that what got him elected in 2016 may not necessarily work in every venue and every setting.

[06:10:19] CAMEROTA: Kaitlan Collins was away from her family, covering the news and the president for us on Thanksgiving. And so Kaitlan, the president did make a lot of news in his answers to reporters. And one of the things that was brought up, of course, was what the response to Saudi Arabia should be, now that the CIA has assessed that it was Mohammed bin Salman who gave the order for Jamal Khashoggi's death.

So here's what -- President Trump doesn't believe, again, his own intelligence officers. So here he is.

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TRUMP: No, they didn't come to it -- they did not come to a conclusion. They have feelings certain ways, but they didn't -- I have the report -- you can ask -- you can ask Mike (ph). They have not concluded. Nobody's concluded. I don't know if anyone is going to be able to conclude that the crown prince did it.

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CAMEROTA: As John and I were just saying, it's a good thing President Trump isn't on a jury, because unless you have a videotape of something happening, and in this case, they do, you often have to have some sort of doubt, but you get beyond it. So in any event, is that it, Kaitlan? Is that -- have we heard the last of it? There will be no further retribution? There will be no further punishment for Saudi Arabia? KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, if the White

House gets their way, they would like to put this story behind him. And you can see President Trump seems agitated when he's asked these questions. They are saying the CIA did not conclude that the crown prince ordered that killing of that journalist, but the CIA doesn't make conclusions. They make intelligence assessments, and they pass that intelligence on to the White House.

But like we saw last week, when President Trump issued that statement, essentially saying he's not going to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for this death, the president did that before he'd even read the CIA intelligence report on the latest intelligence surrounding the murder.

So it just shows that regardless of what they say, President Trump's mind is not going to be changed here. And he made that clear yesterday, and he also drew the straightest line between the Saudi arms deal and not holding them accountable for Jamal Khashoggi's murder.

The president was saying, "What do you want me to do: give up all these American jobs and hold them accountable?" even though it's not a black and white choice like that. But we are seeing the president continue to defend the Saudi crown prince, even though most people, even experts, say that it is likely he is the person who ordered the killing of this reporter.

And Trump inexplicably said yesterday that he believes the crown prince hated the murder of Jamal Khashoggi --

AVLON: Yes.

COLLINS: -- even more than he does, which it's hard to explain that, because if he is the one who ordered it, how would he hate the murder more than President Trump does?

But going back to what Errol and David were saying, I do not think this was part of some 2020 strategy, what the president did during this call with members of the military yesterday. He's been facing a lot of criticism for how his treatment of the military lately, the fact that he hasn't visited troops in war zones yet, something that the White House is very sensitive about and including President Trump himself. And also for skipping that ceremony while he was in Paris, because it was raining, and they could not travel there. And also he was mocking the Navy SEAL who led the raid to capture Osama bin Laden this week.

So the president has been struggling with the military. And then he gets on this call meant to simply give thanks for their service, to tell them he wished they could be with their families, and then he went off script and was making political statements during these calls, putting the leaders in an uncomfortable position, where you could hear it in their voice on the phone as the president was posing questions about trade to some of these military members --

AVLON: Yes. COLLINS: -- on Thanksgiving. And I think that is what you are seeing there, the president struggling with the military. And John, you said it best when you showed the president's answer when he was asked what he is thankful for, which is typically where presidents say they're thankful for those troop members who aren't at home with their families for their service. President Trump, instead, thanked himself.

AVLON: Errol, as Kaitlan points out, I mean, it was an unprecedented litany of complaints by the president, blaming the human condition, essentially, for the death of Jamal Khashoggi.

But there's one plausible explanation, which is this is Festivus come early. This was the annual airing of grievances. Because is there any other explanation for why the president would use this time to attack the military, to put his military commanders in such difficult positions, asking them about policies in real time on top of going after Admiral McRaven and the judges and anything --?

LOUIS: Well, look, they -- in all of the cases, both of the visit to Paris, the -- the traditional sort of Thanksgiving phone calls, people around him, the White House staff, they're walking him through what usually happens. He can't play that role, because he doesn't get it, right?

[06:15:09] So they sent him, and he becomes the anti-NATO politician that he is. And he can't resist any chance to try and snub the European Union. That's what he did, among other things.

Here again, with the military, they set him up the way you would any president: "Hey, it's time for you to call all of these commanders in the field." He apparently has the wrong script, the wrong script running in his head. This is what you get an unconventional president.

And so, you know, in some ways, I think they're doing him a disservice, the folks around him, by asking him and setting him up and putting him in a position to do something that he clearly doesn't want to do. He -- it's not in him to want to sort of call and thank people for their service to the country on Thanksgiving. It's not what he wanted to do. He wanted to play golf. He wanted to sort of be the magnanimous host at Mar-a-Lago and greet his wealthy, you know, members. That's what he did.

And then asking him to sort of do something different gives you this jarring kind of situation where he's sitting there, and you know, read all of the accounts. They're setting up the patio behind him. His hundred and $200,000 a year guest are about to come down and have dinner with him, and he's on the phone.

CAMEROTA: Yes, the color of that, the servants behind him as he's trying to talk about trade, et cetera.

We only have ten seconds. Go.

DRUCKER: Look, it's perfectly reasonable for the president to want to maintain relations with Saudi Arabia, but relating it to the economy and not U.S. interests versus Iran is the main problem.

CAMEROTA: All right, panel, thank you all very much.

So in the final days of power, House Republicans are issuing subpoenas to fired FBI director James Comey and former attorney general Loretta Lynch. This is over Hillary Clinton's e-mails. What is going on here? Will they do the same about Ivanka Trump's e-mails? We discuss.

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[06:20:29] AVLON: In their waning days of power, House Republicans issuing subpoenas to fired FBI director James Comey and former attorney general Loretta Lynch, requiring them to testify behind closed doors before members of two committees next month. Comey says he'll resist this unless it's a public hearing.

So back with us now, Errol Louis and Kaitlan Collins. And let's bring in CNN legal analyst Paul Callan.

Paul, let me start with you. We've got a tweet from James Comey in which he says, thanks but no thanks, essentially. Here's what he said: "Happy Thanksgiving. I got a subpoena from House Republicans. I'm still happy to sit in light and answer all the questions, but I will resist a closed-door thing because I've had enough of their selective leaking and distortion. Let's have a hearing and invite everyone to see."

Can he do that? Can he just say, "No. No thanks, I'm going to wait for a public hearing"?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I don't think he has the right to control how Congress operates and conducts their public hearings. The courts generally have given wide discretion to Congress to conduct investigations, issue subpoenas.

Now, on the other hand, Comey, because we're running of time here -- we've got a lame duck Congress which is sitting for about a month. So if Comey wants to bust chops and resist the subpoena, there are lots of ways to do it. And one of the things he can do, John, is he could assert the Fifth Amendment and refuse to testify. But he also could wind up bringing the subpoena into court and litigating it for 30 days and then, at the end of the 30 days, guess what? The Democrats take control, and I don't think you'd have too much to worry about then.

CAMEROTA: That's interesting, because that what that sounds like he's going to do. If he and his lawyer are resisting, they're going to stretch it out for --

CALLAN: All they've got to do is stretch it for 30 days during the vacation season. How many of these congressmen are going home in December? Forget it. There's no way they can compel him in before the end of the year.

CAMEROTA: Errol, I'm struck by -- this is exactly what the president was calling for. I mean, "The New York Times" article, and CNN matched the reporting, that this is what the president wanted: more investigations into James Comey, more investigations into Hillary Clinton's e-mails. They're obliging.

LOUIS: Yes, it's interesting to read the letter, you know, sort of announcing, the press release that came out, where the chairman, Bob Goodlatte, says, "We're asking for, you know, a reopened investigation of the things that went on with the e-mail in 2016."

It's hard to imagine that they wanted to actually do this, but yes, this being Washington, you never know who's angling for a future job in the administration, perhaps a future job in talk radio, perhaps a future job in a conservative think tank. I think it's almost purely symbolic, because as Paul points out, there's no way this is going to be a real investigation. There's no way this is necessarily even going to be a real hearing that results from the subpoena that they've issued.

AVLON: And Kaitlan, beyond the last hoorah of it all, this is about Hillary Clinton's e-mails, but a little wrinkle popped up over the last few days involving the first daughter, Ivanka Trump's, use of a private -- e-mails. And Trey Gowdy has asked for more information on that. The president says he's not so concerned, referring to historical society. Please explain.

COLLINS: Well, I'm not sure I can explain the historical side, because it's unclear what the president was referring to yesterday when he said that Ivanka Trump's e-mails that she sent over a private e-mail that were related to government business are now in the historical society.

He likely means that they've been forwarded to a government server now, so they are part of that Records Act. But when the president was asked about this yesterday, he said that he had discussed the issue with Ivanka Trump and that he believed her to be very innocent. That's a quote from the president.

But then he said he doesn't see similarities between this and what happened with Hillary Clinton's e-mail drama. He said that the two are very different.

Now, a lot of irony in that situation there, because of course, President Trump centered his campaign largely on Hillary Clinton's e- mails. That was something that he referenced at every rally and still does reference on a regular basis, whether in private or in public. So that was a big question for people, whether or not it was hypocritical of Ivanka Trump to say she didn't know what the process was for this after her father ran on this as his campaign.

But yesterday, he believes that she's innocent. He said those e-mails have been stored away and that they are now being properly handled.

CAMEROTA: Paul, legally speaking, they both broke the rules. Hillary Clinton and Ivanka Trump broke the rules. Ivanka Trump had two years of knowing the hue and cry that would be -- that could come from breaking the rules, whereas Hillary Clinton saw other people before her as secretary of state doing the same thing.

You know, you can dismiss it or not, however, you want, but legally speaking, did they or did they not do the same thing?

[06:25:02] CALLAN: Well, we have to look at her e-mails to see how they compare to what they found in Hillary's e-mails. But the truth of the matter is, unless there are classified documents there, you know, I don't think that --

CAMEROTA: It's just hypocrisy, if not legal -- there's no legal jeopardy?

CALLAN: It's only hypocrisy, because she was well away of how e-mails should be handled after the Hillary investigation. So there's a very serious element of hypocrisy here.

AVLON: Not a legal crime; only a political one.

Paul, let me stick with you, because the president was teeing off on the Ninth Circuit, as part of his larger war against the judiciary, and because we don't have a reality check today, we thought we'd add one.

The president's saying that the Ninth Circuit gets overturned more than any other. As it turns out -- and this was somewhat surprising to me -- that is, in fact, not true. That wasn't the surprising part. But that three other circuits actually have higher overturn rates by the Supreme Court. And if those numbers look absurdly high, explain to folks that's because once a case is kicked to the Supreme Court, there's a better than likely chance it will get overturned.

CALLAN: Yes. You've got to step back and look at the big picture here. The Supreme Court picks cases on the basis of they're very close calls, and they may have to be reversed. Otherwise, why is the Supreme Court going to get involved in it?

And the only fair way to look at a circuit to see if something is out of whack, is how many of their total cases get reversed, not how many that the Supreme Court plucked out of their docket to look at.

And if you look at the Ninth Circuit's total number of cases that get reversed, fewer than 1 percent of the cases that they handle get reversed. When they get up to the Supreme Court, the circuit variously is listed as No. 3 or No. 4 in the reversal rate. Other circuits -- and I thought the funniest thing about it -- it's not really funny but, you know, Ohio, the Ohio circuit, one beloved by the president, is the most reversed circuit, not the Ninth Circuit.

CAMEROTA: That is a fun fact.

CALLAN: Yes.

AVLON: Did not see that coming.

CAMEROTA: I did not either.

Errol, so all this is about the president is trying another -- yet another executive order, this time to ban asylum seekers --

LOUIS: Yes, yes.

CAMEROTA: -- from seeking asylum. And is it -- I mean, having covered many White Houses, is it your impression that this president is getting worse advice and since executive orders keep getting shot down, and that he's not sort of crafting them --

LOUIS: I strongly suspect he is overruling the professionals in the White House's counsel's office and saying, "I want this executive order as I will now dictate to you." Because if you read this, this one -- for him to get into it with the Ninth Circuit, and the chief justice got involved, and we're having this discussion now. The substance of that order, I don't think anybody in any circuit would have upheld what he attempted to do.

CAMEROTA: Did it have a bunch of exclamation points in it?

LOUIS: It might as well have, because what he said was, if you come across the southern border illegally, you will be barred from filing an asylum claim, basically re-writing the law. You just can't do that. That's not -- it's not a close call. It's an overreach. It's political in nature. It's clearly coming directly out of the Oval Office. It was not generated through any kind of process that involved lawyers, as far as I can tell.

And so it's not surprising that the Ninth Circuit happened to get it first, but any circuit would have taken this and said, "Mr. President, you cannot permanently deny legal asylum claims, which Congress has explicitly sort of enabled. You can't just cancel it because you don't like it."

You can't change their legal status permanently. You can delay them. You can complain about it. You can do all kinds of things to sort of -- even close the border, actually, which he apparently did for a few hours a few days ago. But you can't just change the legal status of people who have legal asylum claims pending.

He'll find that over and over and over again. He'll continue to be frustrated. He can complain about this circuit, that circuit, the Ohio circuit, but no court, I think, is going to allow him to do that.

CALLAN: We can be grateful about one thing. He's not issuing his executive orders in all caps yet as he does in his Twitter feed.

AVLON: Yes.

CALLAN: So we'll see.

LOUIS: Not yet.

CAMEROTA: Paul, Errol, Kaitlan, thank you all very much.

AVLON: All right. A charter bus carrying members of a university's marching band rolls over, and dozens of students taken to the hospital. We'll tell you what happened, next.

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