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Aired November 29, 2018 - 03:00 ET
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[03:00:00] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN HOST: President Trump dangles a pardon in front of Paul Manafort. Is the president at risk of obstructing justice?
Plus, a showdown over trade, the U.S. and Chinese president prepares for high-level talks at the upcoming G20 summit in Argentina.
Hello and welcome to the viewers joining us from all around the world. I'm Rosemary Church. And this is CNN Newsroom.
It has been more than 70 years since the defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II, more than 70 years since the horrors of the Holocaust, six million Jews killed in concentration camps. But a major CNN investigation shows anti-Semitism is once again casting a dark shadow over Europe.
Today, our special series is focused on France home to the largest Jewish population in Europe. Our exclusive polling shows 48 percent agree anti-Semitism is a growing problem in France. Twenty-nine percent of those surveyed say they know just a little or have never heard of the Holocaust. And 24 percent believe Jews have too much influence over global finance.
Well, rarely does a week pass in France without news of another new anti-Semitic attack. And the mood in the country is driving some Jews to leave France altogether.
CNN's chief international correspondent Clarissa Ward reports from Paris.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In France today, anti-Semitism is not just a prejudice. Its 26 people held hostage in a Kosher supermarket. Its three children and a teacher gunned down at a Jewish school. It's a Holocaust survivor murdered in her apartment. It's 11 body bags in 12 years.
Nathaniel Azuly (Ph) nearly ended in one too. He says he and his brother were attacked in a Paris suburb by a group of local Muslim kids. One of them armed with a saw.
"We were in our car and it happened very quickly," he said. "It happened just because I had the kippah on." Just because you were wearing a kippah.
WARD: "His speech changed when he saw the kippah," he told us. "He started hurling anti-Semitic insults. Jew, you're going to die on this road."
Azuly (Ph) believes that his knowledge of Krav Maga, the martial art form favored by the Israeli military saved his life. Instructor Avi Atlan (Ph) says he has seen an uptick in the number of young Jews wanting to learn to defend themselves.
"It's very said but that's where we are," he told us. "There are so many people who hate Jews."
According to the French government, the number of anti-Semitic acts here increased by a staggering 69 percent in the first nine months of this year and the nature of the attacks is changing, becoming more violent.
Frederic Potier has been tasked with managing the official response. He says the government does not fully understand the reason for the increase.
FREDERIC POTIER, HEAD, FRENCH GOVERNMENT OFFICE AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM: We're worried about these figures. But we have decided not to hide these numbers. We decided to face it. And that's very important.
WARD: So, what do you say to a young French boy who is too afraid to wear a kippah?
POTIER: Don't be afraid to wear it. I need him, I need to fight anti- Semitism. I need him to fight cliche and stereotype. I need him to stand for with the republic saying that, all the French Jews are French.
WARD: France is now spending nearly $6 million dollars on educational and online initiatives to combat hate speech. But anti-Semitism is a complex issue here. Analysts say the traditional anti-Semitism of the far-right has been compounded by a more recent threat from radical elements in France's Muslim population.
Hakim El Karoui has advised previous governments on what some are calling the new anti-Semitism.
HAKIM EL KAROUI, SENIOR FELLOW, INSTITUT MONTAIGNE (through translator): We don't speak about Muslim anti-Semitism, which is a reality in which aligns the anti-Semitism from the far-right and from the far-left which is mostly directed towards Israel.
[03:05:00] WARD: A CNN poll found that more than a quarter of French people have a somewhat or significantly less favorable opinion of Jews as a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. France is home to the largest Muslim and Jewish minorities in Europe with roughly half a million Jews and 4.7 Muslims. But the relationship between the two communities has deteriorated steadily since the first Palestinian intifada in the year 2000. As the politics of the Middle East has lapped up on France's shores.
"They're right to be afraid because the conflict in Palestine has reached here. That's why there's this situation." Muslim resident Mallika says, "but for me when I see a Jew next to my place or on the street, I say we are the same family, they have nothing to do with what's going on in Palestine and they're afraid for their children. And that's crazy."
France does not identify the religion of those convicted of anti- Semitic crimes. Making it a difficult problem to quantify and a sensitive issue to discuss with the Muslim community that already feels discriminated against and disenfranchised.
EL KAROUI (through translator): The perception of the Muslim is that they are the victims. They are the ones who suffered from racism and discrimination. And then the Muslim community is going to tell you, yes, there is an an-Semitism problem but don't our situation.
And the problem is that you start comparing victims.
WARD: Miriam and her family have considered moving from France, joining the more than 55,000 Jews who have left the year 2000. In the sanctuary of their home, they celebrate Shabbat, a ritual ushered in every Friday night by lighting candles and reciting a blessing.
I'm scared for the future of my baby here, I hope that he will have a future here. And you know, Jewish community is a part of historical France. Really. And so, I think France without any Jews is not any more France.
WARD: Miriam's prayers are for a France of tolerance with her little boy can grow up free of fear, but for now, there are no signs that her prayers will be answered.
Clarissa Ward, CNN, Paris.
CHURCH: Now most have reacted with shock or alarm to CNN's investigation. The states secretary to the prime minister of France says this. "The findings of the study on anti-Semitism in Europe published by CNN International are alarming."
"In France, the increase in anti-Semitism acts up 69 percent over the first few months of 2018, as well as the increase in homophobic acts is an urgent concern for the government."
And Danny Danon, Israel's Ambassador to the U.N. says "This finding tells us that it is easy to forget our history. We are barely a few generations removed from the Holocaust, and yet these numbers are alarming." Well, CNN's polling finds awareness of the Holocaust may be fading. A
third of Europeans polls say they know just a little or nothing at all about the systematic state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazis.
We spoke earlier to a Holocaust survivor and his daughter, who wrote a book about his experiences. The co-authors of the bestseller "Survivors Club" the true story of a very young prisoner of Auschwitz talked about their hope of educating others.
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MICHAEL BORNSTEIN, CO-AUTHOR, SURVIVORS CLUB: We were extremely concerned about the looking on the internet, looking at a computer and seeing these deniers because Auschwitz happened, the Holocaust happened and I think people need to be educated about.
So, this was a time that Debbie and I decided it's time to write a book about the Holocaust in my experiences. And it has been on the New York Times bestseller list and we're very proud of that.
DEBBIE BORSTEIN HOLINSTAT, CO-AUTHOR, SURVIVORS CLUB: Yes, it's encouraging to know that people are reading it, and that they care about my fear is that the right people aren't reading it.
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CHURCH: And you can join us again on Friday when Clarissa Ward talks with Edith Eger who survived the Auschwitz death camp and has dedicated her life to educating people about the horrors of the Holocaust.
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EDITH EGER, HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR: We appointed my mom to go to the left and I followed her. He came after me and grab me. I never forget those eyes. He said your mother is just going to take a shower. You'll see her soon.
[03:09:59] WARD: Eden never saw her again. Both her parents were killed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, along with more than one million Jews.
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CHURCH: Clarissa also talks with the chief rabbi of Poland for his thoughts on the fact that many young people know very little about the Holocaust. So, don't miss the next report in this exclusive series, a shadow over Europe anti-Semitism in 2018. That's Friday, only here on CNN.
Well, U.S. President Donald Trump may be flirting with obstruction of justice as he dangles a possible pardon for Paul Manafort, his former campaign chairman who is facing charges in the Russia investigation.
The president told the New York Post "I wouldn't take it off the table. Why would I take it off the table?"
It's a significant thing to say of course that a pardon is on the table and it's already raising eyebrows with Democrats who now control the House of Representatives.
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REP. JERROLD NADLER, (D) NEW YORK: The president should understand that to even dangling a pardon in front of a witness like Manafort is dangerously close obstruction of justice, and we fortified claim our charge of obstruction of justice against the president.
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CHURCH: And right now, Manafort is behind bars, convicted of eight counts of financial fraud. And this week, special counsel Robert Mueller said Manafort violated his plea agreement by lying to investigators.
We also learned that Manafort's attorneys have been keeping the president's attorneys updated with what they know about the Mueller probe.
More now from CNN's Pamela Brown on that bombshell statement from the president.
PAMELA BROWN, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Tonight, President Trump saying in a stunning new interview his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort could receive a presidential pardon.
The president late today telling the New York Post, that the pardon for Manafort is, quote, "not off the table." Saying, quote, "it was never discussed, but I wouldn't take it off the table. Why would I take it off the table?"
It's a shift from just 24 hours earlier when his press secretary was asked about a pardon for Manafort.
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SARAH HUCKABEE-SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I'm not aware of any conversations or for anyone's pardon involving this process.
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BROWN: In the interview, Trump railed against special counsel Robert Mueller, saying that Mueller was trying to get three people to lie, Manafort, Trump's longtime ally, Roger Stone, and Stone's associate, Jerome Corsi. Telling the Post, quote, "You know flipping stuff is terrible and I'm telling you this is McCarthyism. We are in the McCarthy era."
Trump characterize the three as, quote, "very brave." And alluded to them earlier today in a tweet when he called them, quote, "three major players." The president also re-tweeting this image today showing among others, two former president, former Justice Department officials, Mueller, and even the president's own Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein behind bars, asking when the trials for treason begin.
The president also saying in this latest interview that he would declassify documents that could, quote, "be devastating for his opponents" if Democrats go after him in the next term. He said he was going to release in this past September but his attorney, the White House attorney Emmet Flood told him not to that it would be politically a bad thing to do at the time. So, we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Pamela Brown, CNN, the White House.
CHURCH: CNN legal analyst Page Pate is here with me now to discuss all of this. Great to have you in the studio.
PAGE PATE, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Thank you.
CHURCH: So, after all this time with the Mueller investigation working on all of this with Paul Manafort. It appears that the president intends to pardon him anyway. Now the president says he hasn't had any discussions about this with Manafort and his team. Do you buy that?
PAGE: I don't buy that no discussions have occurred. Now maybe the fact that the president has not personally talk to Manafort and said, look, I'm going to pardon you, there's nothing to worry about.
But I do think that message has been made clear to Manafort, probably by his lawyer, perhaps through Trump's lawyers, but I think the message has been sent from the president that if you hold tight, if you do not provide any evidence against me or anyone else in my White House or my inner circle then I'm going to take care of you at the end of the day. You do not have to worry about actually serving that sentence.
CHURCH: What impact or something like that have on the credibility of the president given the reputation of someone like Paul Manafort.
PAGE: You know, we've never seen anything like this before where the president has the ability to pardon someone who could be a witness against him in a potential criminal proceeding.
Now our Constitution gives the president almost an unlimited right to pardon someone, whoever he wants for whatever reason, but in this case, I think it's tempting for the president to use that pardon power in an unconstitutional manner, in a, I guess you would say corrupt persuasion to try to use it to obstruct the criminal investigation, the Mueller investigation
[03:15:00] And if that occurs, then I think Robert Mueller does have a strong argument that the president is obstructing justice.
CHURCH: So, how do you think the Mueller investigation then would respond to that. And I did want to ask you too, what sort of sentence do you think Paul Manafort will get if it even matters now if he's going to get a pardon anyway.
PAGE: Well, I don't think he is going to have to serve at least not on the federal level, given the amount of money that was involved in Paul Manafort's case all the money that he was receiving from the Ukraine and the folks over there that he was servicing, the things that he was doing with that money. The money laundering convictions.
The sentencing guidelines in federal court are going to call for a lot of prison time. But I do believe and it maybe after sentencing but at some point, before he actually serves out that sentence President Trump will likely pardon him.
Now what does that mean to the Mueller investigation going forward as far as Trump is concerned, I don't think you're ever going to see the special counsel try to indict President Trump. It's just too unclear under our laws if that can even be possible.
But I think we're going to see at some point a report from the special counsel's office that will suggest the conduct that the president is engaging in now and engaged in, in the past could be obstruction of justice.
CHURCH: Right. And in addition to this we are learning that President trump gave in writing an explanation to Robert Mueller's team that to the best of his recollection, he was not told previously by Roger Stone about WikiLeaks and he said he didn't know about the meeting between his son Don Junior the campaign group that was with meeting with that Russian lawyer. Again, your legal perspective on that.
PAGE: Well, we're not surprised by his answer. I mean, that's consistent with what he said before in the media publicly. But I am interested and I find it very significant the language that he now uses. I mean, he's never said to the best of my recollection. I mean, his tweets, his public statements have always been crystal clear. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't know about it. No collusion. Witch hunt.
But now I think with his lawyers then put--
PAGE: -- he is the saying, well, to the best of my recollection, and I think that does keep him from being later charged with making a false statement if the special counsel can prove what he saying is not accurate.
CHURCH: I mean, that has been the problem for his legal team, hasn't it, because he can't seem to keep the story straight.
PAGE: Absolutely. Even today, when he's talking about the possibility of getting a pardon to Paul Manafort at the very moment when it looks like Paul Manafort is going back in the hot water because his refusal to cooperate.
CHURCH: So, the best of my recollection is a line we should all remember because that can save us, right? PAGE: If you're ever in trouble, absolutely.
CHURCH: OK. Page Pate, always a pleasure.
PAGE: Thank you.
CHURCH: And we'll take a short break here, still to come, the Trump administration pulls out of its top guns but their briefing on the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi has left senators on both sides of the aisle less than satisfied.
Plus, Russia's president brushes off a naval confrontation with Ukraine describing the arm seizure of three Ukrainian naval ships as a minor incident.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hurts. It's sad. It's terrible. People have the right to just exist.
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CHURCH: Racist attacks on the rise across the United States. Why so many Americans feel emboldened to lash out of those who are different.
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CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone.
Well, a federal judge in Argentina will allow an investigation of Mohammed bin Salman to move forward. The Saudi crown prince arrived in Buenos Aires on Wednesday for this weekend's G20 summit.
Human rights watch requested the investigation of possible crimes against humanity, citing the war in Yemen and the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
Argentina's foreign ministry says the crown prince has diplomatic immunity and will not be arrested during his visit.
Well, the U.S. Senate delivered a stunning setback to Saudi Arabia on Wednesday. Voting 63 to 37 to withdraw U.S. support for the kingdom's war in Yemen. But some senators were disappointed and angry after a briefing from top Trump administration officials on the Khashoggi murder.
CNN's Alex Marquardt explains.
ALEXANDER MARQUARDT, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A defiant and determined Mike Pompeo on Capitol Hill today.
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MIKE POMPEO, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: We talked about U.S. policy in Yemen, the U.S. policy with respect to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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MARQUARDT: After giving a briefing to senators making the argument Congress should not take action to end U.S. support for the Saudi-led fight in Yemen following the killing of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and giving the Saudi Crown Prince who is known as MBS, a pass.
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POMPEO: There is no direct reporting connecting the crown prince to the order of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.
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MARQUARDT: Pompeo who is a former CIA director himself disagreed with the CIA's assessment that MBS ordered the killing, as did Secretary of Defense James Mattis who joined Pompeo on the Hill.
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JAMES MATTIS, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: We have no smoking gun that the crown prince was involved.
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MARQUARDT: The comments following Pompeo strongly worded and controversial op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he argued that Saudi Arabia's strategic importance trumps the brutal murder of Khashoggi, dismissing what he called the "Capitol Hill caterwauling and media pile-on," adding that degrading U.S. Saudi ties would be a grave mistake to the national security of the U.S.
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SEN. BOB CORKER, (R) TENNESSEE: I think 80 percent of the people left the hearing this morning not feeling like an appropriate response has been forthcoming.
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MARQUARDT: There was widespread disappointment and condemnation across the aisle of the briefing by Pompeo and Mattis were CIA director Gina Haspel was a no-show, asked why, Pompeo replied simply--
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POMPEO: I was asked to be here and here I am.
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MARQUARDT: Not good enough for many senators.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes, I'm not going to be denied the ability to briefed by the CIA that we have oversight of any key vote. Anything that you need me or to get out of town I'm not doing it until we hear from the CIA.
SEN. DICK DURBIN, (D) ILLINOIS: We were told in this briefing that it was a direction of the White House that she not attends.
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MARQUARDT: A White House that also disagrees with the intelligence committee's conclusion that in all likelihood MBS was behind Khashoggi's murder. Trump telling the Washington Post that MBS denies it. That the CIA isn't sure. "I'm not saying that they're saying he didn't do it." The president said, "but they didn't say it affirmatively."
And the CIA has responded to those allegations from those senators that Haspel was directed by the White House not to show up to today's briefing, the CIA said that they had already briefed the Senate intelligence committee and said in a statement, quote, "the notion that anyone told Director Haspel not to attend today's briefing is false."
Alex Marquardt, CNN, Washington.
CHURCH: Vladimir Putin says it was Ukraine's president who provoked a naval confrontation off Crimea to increase his popularity ahead of an election. Russia seized three Ukrainian ships and detained the crew on Sunday, saying they illegally entered Russian territory.
The Ukraine president responded imposing martial law in border areas. Then he visited troops warning Moscow could launch a full-scale invasion.
[03:25:02] But Mr. Putin says Ukraine's president is playing a political game, one that could backfire.
Our Fred Pleitgen has more.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The three Ukrainian ships remain impounded at the other end of the bridge that I'm standing at right now in the port town of a Kerch. And a court in Crimea has also announced that's 24 Ukrainian sailors who were on board of those trips are going to remain in detention for at least two months, awaiting a trial.
The Russians, of course, accuse them of entering illegally into Russia's territory. Now Russian President Vladimir Putin he came out on Wednesday and he said that he believed that the incident was what he called "a planned provocation by the Ukrainian government" and its present Petro Poroshenko when the Russians says was in trouble ahead of an election in Ukraine.
That's one of the reasons why the Russians say they believe that this maneuver was pulled off. The Ukrainians of course, very much denying that. They continue to say that it's the Russians who provoked this incident and are in breach of international law.
Now the U.S. special representative to Ukraine he came out and he said those ships need to be given back by the Russians immediately. And the U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis also coming out and blasting the Russians, saying they are showing that their word, quote, "cannot be trusted."
The Russians however are not feeling as much blowback from the U.S. president. Dmitry Peskov, the spokesman for Russia's President Vladimir Putin saying he believes that despite this recent standoff that that meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin at the G20 summit, that's upcoming of course, that that meeting is still very much on.
And Russia's President Vladimir Putin, he himself came out and he said that he still believes that President Trump is positively inclined to bettering relations between the United States and Russia despite the incident that took place right near where I'm standing right now.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Taman, Russia.
CHURCH: World leaders are now converging on Argentina for the G20 summit. One big question what will the meeting between the presidents of China and the U.S. mean for their simmering trade war.
And hoping for a new beginning, but finding themselves in a humanitarian crisis. We'll go to the U.S.-Mexico border when we come back.
CHURCH: Welcome back, everyone. I'm Rosemary Church. I want to update you now on the main stories we're following this hour.
U.S. President Donald Trump is not ruling out a possible pardon for his former campaign chairman. Paul Manafort has been a focus of the special counsel's Russia investigation and was found guilty of unrelated financial crimes.
[03:30:02] A top Democrat warned the President is dangerously close to obstruction of justice by dangling a pardon.
The U.S. Senate has voted 63-37 to advance a resolution which would end American support for the Saudi led war in Yemen. It came just hours after CIA Director Gina Haspel skipped a closed-door briefing on the conflict, lawmakers want to know why Haspel's agency strongly suspects the Saudi Crown Prince was behind the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and why the Trump administration wont acknowledge it.
Vladimir Putin says a naval confrontation of Crimea was planned by Ukraine's president to boost his popularity ahead of a presidential election in March on Sunday Russian Forces seize three Ukrainian ships and detained the crew saying they illegally entered Russian territory.
World leaders are gathering right now in Argentina for the G-20 summit. Saudi Arabia's crown prince touchdown on Wednesday. The U.S. president is expected in the next few hours and official business begins on Friday. The G-20 has long been a magnet for protest making security a major issue, which is why 22,000 police have been deployed on the streets of Bueno Aires. A 12 square kilometer area around the summer side is now a no go zone and much of the city's transportation system will be shut down.
With an open question how world leaders will great the Saudi crown prince, but we've just learned that President Trump will meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday. A Russian aid is quoted saying they would discuss bilateral issues and ways to normalize relations. Beyond that will Mr. Trump play nicely with traditional U.S. allies and finally will the U.S. and china find a way to end the trade war. For more on that is CNN's Matt Rivers.
MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The lock on the G-20 is that it's all for show, handshakes, group photos, but nothing ever really happens, this year the summit in Buenos Aires might be different.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: John wants to make a deal, we can make a deal we will.
RIVERS: The U.S. and china locked in a trade war, President Trump and President Xi of China are scheduled to talk and both sides are putting a ton of stock in that meeting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It will come to ahead in G-20. I think that's the key point.
RIVERS: The message seems to be if the trade war can be stopped or at least put on hold this meeting is the only place that could happen and that's a big if.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both sides are trying to manage transportation, because it is unlikely that something dramatically successful will take place.
RIVERS: The U.S. trade representative reports that this week China quote fundamentally has not altered its practices related to technology transfer, intellectual property and innovation things the U.S. has said must change. China rejected the report and then it was the APEC Summit, where Xi, took a shot at the U.S.
XI JINPING, PRESIDENT OF CHINA (TRANSLATOR): History tells us to take the road of confrontation whether it's in the form of a cold war, open more or trade war that will produce no winners.
RIVERS: Just minutes later, Vice President Mike Pence fired back.
MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: China's has taken advantage of the United States for many, many years. And those days are over.
RIVERS: U.S. tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars of Chinese imports are already in place and hundreds of billions more could take effect next year. For its part, China has more tariffs ready of its own. And says these U.S. actions are merely attempts to stifle this legitimate economic rise. It all makes in Argentina deal seem unlikely, but there is a wildcard Trump mentioned it at Mar-a-Lago, the property where he first met Xi.
TRUMP: I think I prepared for this meeting, I had a meeting literally right in that corner with President Xi. We have a great relationship. I like them a lot. I think he likes me.
RIVERS: Trump has always shown a willingness to make decisions in the moment and perhaps he wants to make a deal. Xi might not the same China's economy is swiftly slowing down in a protracted trade war will help. That's why this meeting is so important and why this G-20 could be a lot more than just a photo-op. Matt Rivers, CNN, Beijing.
CHURCH: And now to Europe where a new report by the British government found in most cases, leaving the E.U. would make the U.K. poorer. The report looked at a range of Brexit scenarios it found there would be a slightly weaker economy by 2023, but without E.U regulatory barriers the economy could grow by almost 2 percent. Britain's finance minister says economics is not the only measure.
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PHILIP HAMMOND, BRITISH CHANCELLOR EXCHEQUER: The only consideration was the economy then the analysis shows clearly the remaining in the European Union would be a better outcome for the economy, but not by march the Prime Minister's steal delivers an outcome that is very close to the economic, if it benefits of remaining in while having all the political benefits of being out.
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[03:35:22] CHURCH: But a disorderly Brexit would have a different outcome. The bank of England projects the U.K's GDP could drop by 8 percent, unemployment would rise to 7 1/2 percent house prices would decline 30 percent and the pound would fall 25 percent. The U.S. financial markets had their best day in a month with the DOW soaring nearly 618 points. The NASDAQ and S&P were also high on the day European markets have been open for just about 30 minutes only arrows heading upward, then you can see empowers nearly added 1 percent and that more than half percent added in London.
Well, in the Asia-pacific region. Results were mixed. As you can say Japan's Nikkei up nearly .4 percent. There is no telling whether the turnaround on Wall Street will continue through the week, but investors got a clear signal Wednesday to put them in a buying mood. CNN's Richard Quest has our report.
RICHARD QUEST, EDITOR AT LARGE: This was the moment when the market were all just before 12 o'clock when the chair of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell giving a speech in New York and said that when it comes to interest rates. The Feds just about to the position of neutrality that means neither speeding up the economy nor slowing it down. It is what the markets have been waiting for. The indication that the Federal Reserve is just about done raising rates. And as a result the market went up like a rocket, because the Feds also said it doesn't see the stock market was being overvalued.
Put it all together now investors are off to the races and you can see it over at about the broader markets the DOW 2.5 percent, the S&P of 2.3 percent on the text stocks, having the best day since March up nearly 3 percent. And more pop significant question is whether these gains can be held. All we now off to a new rally that will take the market to new heights. Having had a period of consolidation is enough concrete being poured in that will allow for more building.
We will all know that for some weeks to come, but clearly the indication from the Fed that it is just about done raising rates takes a considerable uncertainty of the table. Richard Quest, CNN, New York.
CHURCH: The United States may now keep troops at the border with Mexico until late January. The mission had been scheduled to end December 15. It comes as a refugee camp in Tijuana was bursting at the scenes overflowing with migrants waiting to seek asylum in the United States. Tijuana's mayor says it's a crisis and is calling for humanitarian aid. Our Leyla Santiago is there.
LEYLA SANTIAGO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Long lines every day. One for women and children the other for men that are waiting here, some say for hours just to get a small plate of food. Food many telling me is a very limited resource. The state tells me they spent 27,000 U.S. Dollars just to feed this caravan. Let me actually show you exactly what they get. It looks like spaghetti and soup. This is what will feed this young child and this gentlemen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gracia.
SANTIAGO: This is a family from Honduras, who I actually met earlier saying that they are fleeing violence to hopefully for them to get asylum in the United States, that is their goal. But I also want to walk over here to sort of show you what it is like. A lot of people crowding outside and this is outside the shelter, so you could see, again, many of them here, because it is time for a meal, but also down over here, they actually have some tents that have been set up. Many of them using plastics right now to put some tarps over, because there's a concern that there could be rain in the next 24 hours. And those tarps may cover them from above, but that does not provide any sort of relief from any water that may get on the ground. I spoke to a volunteer with one of three medical teams out here. He said they are seeing more than 150 people a day. Many with respiratory infections, lice is an issue as well as stomach issues. So how long these migrants will be will be willing to stay under these conditions for what many call a dream, a hope of a better life, we'll have to wait and see. Leyla Santiago, CNN, Tijuana.
[03:40:09] CHURCH: Next here on CNN Newsroom. Hate in America, why one former white supremacist is changing his stripes.
CHURCH: For all these weeks, CNN has been focusing on the rise of far right nationalism and anti-Semitism across Europe, but hate speech and racist attacks also, surging in the United States. CNN's Sara Sidner reports from Los Angeles.
SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're all saying hatred exposed on cell phones and social media, but of course that is not what creates it is what captures it. Now you're going to hear some racial slurs in the story. Now we are doing that specifically so that you can see what is really happening in America today, as some Americans are facing a rising state of hate.
Across America, racism and anger once hidden in the shadow now pouring out into the light. In Santa Monica, a racist tirade over a parking space, a message for Muslims in a car in North Dakota, a black army veteran targeting and killing white police officers in Dallas. A landscaper abuse in Los Angeles.
Words of hate which seem to be banished now branded more and more often. The FBI says in 2017, hate crimes, shot up 17 percent. The motivation for nearly 60 percent of those. The government says was race, ethnicity or ancestry.
Kevin Dunn's favorite Aunt, Vicki Jones had been cancer, but she could not survive hate. 67-year-old Jones and 69-year-old Marie Stallard shot dead while grocery shopping targeted because of their skin color. Police say they were black. The alleged shooter white. A white witness armed with a gun told his son with the shooter said while fleeing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, please don't shoot or I will shoot you, he said whites don't kill whites.
SIDNER: What do you think of what was said?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It hurts. It's sad. It's terrible, people have the right to just exist.
[03:45:00] SIDNER: The suspect police say could have caused far more carnage. Pastor Kevin Nelson said a Parishioner saw him earlier at their church door.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: he bangs on it and he backs up with his head on a hood, so we will open it were possible get shot and killed. SIDNER: His church began locking its doors after white supremacist
Dylan Roof entered this predominantly black church massacring nine people as they prayed. Ken Parker knows something about the hate that motivated Dylan Roof, a navy veteran. Parker said he was out of work and without direction, he joined the Ku Klux Klan and later a neo-Nazi group. Their biggest selling point, making him feel he was an important part of a bigger cause.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were looking at it as like, we are going to have a race war one day and the more people are at our side the better.
SIDNER: At the time Barack Obama was President, some white supremacist touted the first black president as the number one threat to white people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we would even joke amongst ourselves like, hey, we are going to send President Obama an honorary membership to the Klan, because these are our biggest recruiting tool.
SIDNER: Then came the election of President Donald J. Trump. White nationalist cheer his anti-immigration rhetoric, racist to fear what they call the browning of America began believing President Trump was the answer to their prayers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They want to have an all-white at no state were white people just live by themselves.
SIDNER: Seven months after Trump's inauguration. Parker virtually broke paid $30 to help the boss of racist headed to Charlottesville, Virginia for a protest about a confederate monument, they dubbed it the hate bus, reminiscent of a bus from the 1960s created by another neo-Nazi.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On paper we were just going up there to like stand up for the white race, boy. Honestly, I think everybody was just going to you know, fight.
SIDNER: It does happen and a woman is killed. What did you think at that point?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I found out she died. I was happy at the time.
SIDNER: He and his cohorts getting when an alleged neo-Nazi sympathizer killed counter protesters Heather Heyer. In their minds, the race war they wanted was beginning to materialize, but when the President condemned the attacks. He added --
TRUMP: You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.
SIDNER: How did that play in the group? The good people on both sides?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, honestly, some of them were real happy about it and then trump back pedaled on a little bit and then others in the movement they got angry at Trump. Trump was an anti-Jewish and off he wasn't doing enough for white nationalism.
SIDNER: Michael German spent 16 years trying to counter domestic terrorism as an FBI special agent, there's always the counterargument from these administration that the leftists are violence, that Antifa is violent, and there are some evidence of that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many people has anyone associated with the Antifa movement killed? None. How many is this side of white supremacist killed, many?
SIDNER: According to the government accountability office since 9/11, while radical Islamists were responsible for 27 percent of extremist motivated death. The far right wing accounted for 73 percent of the deadly incident, far more than any other group.
In Parker's case, it wasn't law-enforcement, but love that fought his hate. So you decided that animosity was in the way and shunning wasn't the way, but the opposite.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. I fight for peace and what better way to start in your own community.
SIDNER: His neighbor Pastor Will McKenna not only opened his arms. He opened his small predominantly black church to Parker his outreach washed away the hate. Parker is not just talking the talk. He is physically removing hate symbols from his body. He has spent hours having a swastika on his chest and the hate symbols on his legs removed. It is painful, he says. But he says he knows it's probably nothing compared to the pain and fear he may have caused others. Sara Sidner, CNN, Los Angeles.
CHURCH: An immigrant family facing deportation and benevolence takes sanctuary in a local church coming out the action taken by the congregation to keep the family from being arrested. We are back in a moment.
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CHURCH: Seeking asylum in a church is not new, but in the Netherlands. The church has taken the tradition to a new level and Armenian family that lived in the country for nine years suddenly found itself faced with deportation and sold refuge, under Dutch law, police cannot make arrests in a place of worship drawing service, so to shield the family, the church began round-the-clock services that was more than a month ago and it still going.
With us from The Hague to explain more about this is Reverend Theo Hettema chair of the general counsel of protestant ministers and Reverend Joost Roselaers, one of the many keeping up the nonstop services at the church where this family is now living. Thanks to both of you for being with us.
You organize the nonstop church service for this Armenian family to try to prevent their deportation, how did you come up with this idea and do you think it is going to work in the end?
REVEREND THEO HETTEMA, PROTESTANT THEOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY: Yes. We were asked to realize this and when a question comes to us, do you have taken it seriously. You got our neighbor and we thought that this was clear opportunity to put out the love for our neighbor into reality. It was very irritant for the (inaudible) to seek for a safe place to hide and to -- and to tell the story to the government and also the story of some 400 children in the Netherlands here in similar circumstances. So we decided to allow sanctuary for them and start this nonstop service going on for more than a month, more than 800 hours, and 24 hours a day. We will continue as long as it is necessary.
CHURCH: Right. As a minister, you've been involved in the services. Why did you feel a need to be a part of this? How long do you think the church can realistically keep these services going on?
JOOST ROSELAERS, PASTOR OF VRIJBURG: Well I felt -- I felt an appeal to my Christian faith which is very clear about taking care of refugees. For me this question only has one answer. It is very good that the church took the initiative. How long it will take only god knows. Let's hope before Christmas, could be a nice time for government to change their minds about this method. We will go on and on until it is clear and that this family can stay.
CHURCH: Right. And Theo this family has been struggling for a number of years and now the government wants to deport them, as was reported. How is this family dealing with all of the attention and of course what about the other families who were also in need of similar help?
HETTEMA: Yes. There been here for a long nine years already and it is very stressful for them, the entire procedure, but especially of course these leaks. They're very faithful people, they pray and have hope. They think each other and we form a circle around them. We can only help this one family, but they're an example, example for the 400 children in the Netherlands. We hope that our prayer and our appeals to the members of parliament and the government will affect the entire group of children.
CHURCH: Have you had any feedback so far from government officials?
HETTEMA: We had some contact with government and members of parliament, but we do this behind the scenes. We intend to have a good dialogue. A good dialogue is not always for all of us. So we keep it as it is behind the scenes.
CHURCH: Right. Yes. Joost, what has been the reaction from other churchgoers and of course the wider community?
[03:55:0-4] ROSELAERS: I found it very impressive to be present there and to see all of these people joining the services being present. Really good mood there. Which is I think that is very encouraging for church and of course for this family.
CHURCH: Right. And Theo, just to go back to you for just a final question, you -- you're getting a sense that this could possibly wrap up around Christmas, that seems to be what you're saying here. I mean, I know it is difficult and you don't want to divulge too much of the behind the scenes negotiations here, but this must be giving this family -- this family must feel incredibly loved by all of you. I mean, what you're doing is just really amazing. Really showing other people, particularly at a time when we're seeing so much anti- immigrant sentiment across Europe, particularly.
HETTEMA: Yes. It is important for us to show that hope can be realized in these and in context of people. We're convinced that hope can change society. We it can change politics. How will that take, we don't know, but we leave this to god. We pray. We have this service here. We have some 460 pastors who are leading a part of the service an hour or more going on. And that is so much faith and love and hope. It must affect something. I'm sure about that.
CHURCH: I commend both of you and of course your church and all of the churchgoers involved in this for what you're doing. It is -- it sets an example to the rest of us right across the globe. Many thanks.
HETTEMA: Thank you.
CHURCH: Norwegian chess superstar Magnus Carlsen did exactly what everyone expected. He won his third world championship, but it was a nerve wrecker for three weeks the world's top ranked chess player battled American grand master Fabiano in London only to end all 12 matches in draws. On Wednesday they settled it with speed up with tiebreakers. A first in the championship's history. Carlsen checkmated his rival in three straight games.
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