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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY), MINORITY LEADER: We saw a temper tantrum. He walked out and said it was a waste of his time.

[05:59:12] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have the absolute right to do national emergency if I can't make a deal with people that are unreasonable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to try to figure out a way that we're able to reopen quickly while meeting the president's priorities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are gearing up to fight the Mueller report. Giuliani has made that very clear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly, what they're reacting to is an abject fear. And I think they're going to jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bob Mueller should be allowed to turn over every rock and complete his work.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: The show -- you know, the show starts at 6, whether we're reading or not.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: I keep on telling you, it's going to happen.

CAMEROTA: It really is happening right now.

BERMAN: All right. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY. It's Thursday, January 10, 6 a.m. here in New York.

The president is handing out candy. The Coast Guard is telling its members to have a garage sale. That is where we are this morning, after the president literally said, "Buh-bye" to a meeting with congressional leaders trying to end the government shutdown.

"Buh-bye" as the Coast Guard is suggesting dog walking to make extra money as the shutdown enters its 20th day. "Buh-bye" as the president heads to Texas this morning to visit the southern border, even though "The New York Times" reports the president himself said the trip is a pointless photo op.

Tomorrow, 800,000 federal workers go without a paycheck in a shutdown that the president promised to own. And today, it looks ever more likely the president might declare a legally-challenged national emergency to get money for this wall that Congress won't give him.

CAMEROTA: See, I feel like he said, "Bye-bye," not "Buh-bye."

BERMAN: We can have this discussion.

CAMEROTA: Like "Bye-bye."

BERMAN: We can have that discussion.

CAMEROTA: And we're going to.

BERMAN: Yes.

CAMEROTA: OK. President Trump is floating this idea of an emergency declaration, normally used for natural disasters to unlock billions in federal funds to build his wall.

So we're learning new details of how President Trump could actually raid the Pentagon budget to pay for it and order the military to build it.

But there is a glimmer of hope on Capitol Hill for breaking the impasse. A small group of Republican senators are working privately on a potential deal. At the moment, Democrats are not budging on giving any money for the wall.

BERMAN: All right. Joining us now to discuss, CNN senior political analyst John Avlon; CNN senior political reporter, Nia-Malika Henderson; and former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart.

If we can suspend the debate over "buh-bye" --

CAMEROTA: Bye-bye. I think he said, "Bye-bye."

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Buh-bye.

BERMAN: I want to suspend that for a moment to tell people where we are and the impact this is having on people. I mentioned the Coast Guard before, and I just want to read to you some more of what the Coast Guard support group sent out to its members before they took it down. For whatever reason, they took it down from its website.

But the Coast Guard suggesting to its members who will not get paid, have a garage sale, sell unwanted larger ticket items, offer to watch children, walk pets, or house sit. Turn your hobby into income. Tutor, become a mystery shopper. These are people who keep our waters safe, John Avlon. They're being

told to have a garage sale while this meeting falls apart at the White House.

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: And I thought fight was over border security. I thought it was over ports of entry, and the Coast Guard clearly does a lot of that. Not at the southern border, obviously, but it shows the absurdity of the self-inflicted situation we're in.

And the meeting at the White House yesterday was more sandbox politics from our leaders. It was petulant. It was pointing fingers, and the president is largely to blame. You know, everyone's going to cast fingers about who, you know, behaved worse in that particular meeting, but there's an absence of adults. We are a day away from a record shutdown, and the president isn't leading here. And people are suffering, 800,000.

Not only that, but America may lose its triple "A" rating over this. There are threats that that may occur. The cascading effect to this is, in reality TV, this is reality. And people are getting hurt because of the incompetence of the leadership right now.

CAMEROTA: All right. I feel like that does call for a dramatic reading. When he says the petulant playground politics, I feel like now we should do our dramatic reading.

BERMAN: I think we should. Let's do it.

CAMEROTA: All right. I'm going to play the president.

BERMAN: OK. Who am I?

CAMEROTA: Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

BERMAN: OK. I'm going to play different roles. This is me as Chuck Schumer. "Why won't you open the government and stop hurting people?"

CAMEROTA: "Because then you won't give me what I want."

Time-out: a White House official disputes that that's what the president said. Instead, the White House official claims Trump said, "I got to get you do the right thing."

BERMAN: Hmm.

CAMEROTA: He then asked Pelosi, "If I opened up parts of the government that are shut down, would you be willing to build a barrier?"

BERMAN: This is me as Nancy Pelosi: "No."

And then you say --

CAMEROTA: "Good day, madam." No. Then I say, "Well, then we have nothing to discuss, bye-bye." BERMAN: "Buh-bye."

CAMEROTA: No, "Bye-bye."

BERMAN: "Buh-bye."

CAMEROTA: I think it's "Bye-bye."

BERMAN: Look, the absurdity of this, as I said, is extraordinary, even as the impact is huge, Nia. So where are we headed today? The president's headed to the border, but where is the shutdown headed today?

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: I think we sort of know where this is going. You brought it up in the introduction. He seems more and more likely to do that on national emergency.

Odd that he hasn't already done that. Obviously, if it's an emergency, it's very plain; and this idea that he can wait a couple of days.

It could be that he goes down to the border and says, "Listen, I've gone to the border, and this is what I've seen," and start to basically said what he's already said, which is there are people pouring over the border who are criminals and MS-13 gang members.

Of course, that's not really what's down at the border. That's not really the key issue that's going on. It's more about asylum seekers which of course, is a legal thing to do.

But that seems like where we are headed. And I think if you look at the kind of side conversations that are going on here among GOP moderates, essentially, with this idea that they could cobble together some sort of deal that possibly involves -- involves DACA, that seems to be a nonstarter.

I mean, the person you want in that meeting is more like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. Like, what would they agree to? And we know that they likely wouldn't agree to any of that, because they see that as amnesty.

[06:05:08] So of course, we'll see the president down at the border today, and we'll see what his comments are. And in the meantime, Democrats have been where they have been for a while here, is essentially saying, they're not going to negotiate with this president until the government is reopened.

And you talk about these workers here who are not getting paid, are furloughed, and the ripple effects, right? The businesses that rely on these folks, you know, maybe it's a deli. Maybe taxi drivers here, Uber drivers here in D.C., that's certainly something we can see on the ground here, and you multiply that, you know, across the country.

CAMEROTA: But Joe, aren't -- aren't Democrats to blame here, as well? Because right after our dramatic reading, so right after that "Bye- bye" --

BERMAN: "Buh-bye."

CAMEROTA: -- after that, the reporting from inside the room from CNN is that the vice president stuck around to try to do some cleanup on aisle 4; and he said to Schumer and Pelosi, OK, so what's your counteroffer? And they didn't make one. How is that a negotiation? How is not providing any counteroffer moving the ball forward?

JOE LOCKHART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, as much as I would like to play Rush Limbaugh this morning, I'm going to just be myself.

CAMEROTA: All right.

LOCKHART: Listen, I think Democrats have made a number of offers. It's clear that this has just become political theater, but political theater with consequences.

All of these people, I mean, it's not just Uber drivers. It's farmers, it's the people who are supposed to be doing, you know, the economic forecast can't get the data.

CAMEROTA: But my point is, Democrats, which you are one. Representing today. Can't they be doing more for this negotiation right now?

LOCKHART: Sure. And they've put three different offers on the table.

Remember, all of the Republicans in the Senate voted for opening -- reopening the government and continuing this negotiation. They can -- the president isn't even on the same page as the Republicans. They're now smartly calling this border security. He's still talking about a wall.

CAMEROTA: A barrier.

LOCKHART: And that's a sticking point. You know, I think this is going -- you know, what Trump is looking for is an off-ramp here; and I think that's why he's going to declare a national emergency. Not because there is one, because then if he loses in court, he can say, "Well, I did everything I could to get my wall; and the courts frustrated me."

BERMAN: John, you wanted in on that?

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, and then, you know, then the conservagentsia, he hopes, will be satisfied.

The problem is that the folks in right-wing media, the professional polarizers, have no real responsibilities for governing. And that difference -- that's why them calling the shots and disproportionately influencing the president is so dangerous.

And so, you know, good luck to those Republican senators in the Senate who are trying to cobble together a compromise. What Schumer said is "Let's delink the shutdown with the negotiation." It's clear what, you know, what a compromise could look like, border

security and something for the DREAMers. Apparently, what they're looking at, what we could have had more than a year ago, at a 5x rate, by the way, for border security. So much for "Art of the Deal." It's an absurd situation.

We're going to have to some adults who compromise on both sides and not hurt people. So the Coast Guard is saying, "Go pick up dog walking."

BERMAN: Which is incredible. Have a garage sale. I will say you've heard from both Democrats and Republicans over the last 24 -- really, over the last few weeks that part of the problem with the negotiations is the president keeps changing his mind. How do you negotiate with someone who's not --

CAMEROTA: Randomly moving target. Yes, that is certainly a problem. But when you have Mike Pence in the room, and he says, "OK, what's your counteroffer." It just feels like I understand all this history. I understand how we got here and why people are so bitter. I get all that. But if yesterday was the moment to make a counteroffer, why not make one?

BERMAN: You know who doesn't make -- who doesn't matter in this negotiation? Mike Pence. Mike Pence has been in there making offers before, and then the president --

LOCKHART: Mike Pence is the person who went up to Capitol Hill and assured Mitch McConnell that the president was on board with the plan to keep the government open. Why should anyone in the room, Republican or Democrat --

CAMEROTA: I understand --

LOCKHART: -- believe Mike Pence.

CAMEROTA: -- that it's hard to negotiate with JELL-O, as Chuck Schumer.

BERMAN: Or candy, or candy. Mike Pence is the one yesterday, the vice president of the United States --

CAMEROTA: Well, I think that's persuasive.

AVLON: It was a Butterfinger, though. It was a metaphor.

HENDERSON: Butterfinger is a terrible candy.

BERMAN: Mike Pence was so happy -- was so happy that he started the meeting by handing out candy to everyone.

AVLON: Yes.

BERMAN: You know, something like "Let them eat cake" is what entered my mind. Nia, let's talk about this national emergency, because that does appear to be the off-ramp, if there is one for the president. We don't know, legally speaking, if it will work or not, but that may not matter for the president, at least today.

HENDERSON: I think that's right, and if you're looking for any sort of real uproar from Republican senators on this, it's doubtful that that would come. You can almost hear them saying, you know, "This is squarely within the president's legal authority. It will be taken up by the courts."

Obviously, if the government is back open again, that will a good thing, as well, for these workers and for the country. More broadly so.

I think you will hear something from some folks in the conservative media who are concerned about just executive overreach. They were obviously concerned about that under Obama, too. But by and large, I think you already see Republicans who are giving cart blanche president, right? Essentially saying we're not going to move until the president gives us, you know -- you know, the OK, basically, to bring something to the floor. So they have tied their hands.

[06:10:06] So, you know, the president looks like he's a man of action if he does this national emergency and, essentially, underscores what he's been arguing for years, this idea that there're all these people pouring over the border, which of course, we know isn't true in the way he describes it.

He had this whole rift yesterday about human trafficking and women being thrown into vans and with tapes -- you know, tape over their mouths and their hands bound. So I think that is something we'll continue to hear. It was terrorism before. They've moved on from -- from that, because it was so thoroughly debunked. So they're moving onto something else.

CAMEROTA: Here's how the math works, or could work. OK? So there is a bucket of, I guess, unearmarked funds at the Pentagon and so, according to CNN's reporting, Defense Department officials told CNN that the Pentagon is planning a figure of about 2.5 billion in funds they believe they can tap to support construction of a border wall if Trump declares an emergency and orders the military to build a wall -- John.

BERMAN: Right. So apparently, this is called Section 2808, and they can invoke it and 2.5 million sort of halfway between more or less what the Democrats are proposing and what the president has asked for. Probably, if this was negotiated responsibly, where they'd end up.

The problem is the court challenge. And -- and look, these -- these national emergency orders have been for things as large as 9/11 and as small as freezing assets for foreign national -- foreign countries that are in conflict with the United States.

I think the problem is will the courts say the intent is to do an end- run around Congress?

BERMAN: Right.

AVLON: Highly likely. And that's why the White House counsel has been balking, and he didn't announce it last night.

BERMAN: That is why the White House counsel Pat Cipollone is going on the trip to the border. These are not trips that White House counsels normally go on, unless they think an indictment is coming today, which I'm not suggesting would --

CAMEROTA: Today at the border, what might the White House counsel do? Make an announcement.

BERMAN: I think he could be meeting with the president on the way there or on the way back about the national emergency. He could be going because the president might announce it today or at least wants the opportunity to announce it today. It's notable that he's going.

And legally speaking, what this will come down to probably -- first of all, the court challenge should extend into the next term of the president or until the first term of a different president. So it could last a long time.

But a judge is going to have to decide whether she or he has the right to determine what's an emergency more or less than the president of the United States. That's what it's going to come down to.

LOCKHART: Yes, but it's -- if you're in the White House, and you're an aide to Trump, you're now -- you're looking for this off-ramp. This has never really been about border security. It's been about fulfilling a campaign promise. It's about sticking to your brand. It's about getting us to talk about this and not Robert Mueller and Jim Mattis leaving and all of the other nonsense that's happening in Washington.

CAMEROTA: Then it's really working.

LOCKHART: So it is really working. And -- and the reason is he now can say, "Reopen the government. I'm a reasonable guy. I'm going to reopen the government. I don't want people to miss their paychecks, but I'm going to challenge this in court. And it will be decided somewhere down the road."

And he will be able to say, "I did not lose. I won." And it's face saving, and it's ridiculous that we're in this situation, but that's where we are. And that's how you reopen the government.

AVLON: What we're describing is these ornate efforts to help the president save face. This is like what Kennedy did with Khrushchev during the Cuban missile crisis. This is absurd.

BERMAN: Yes.

AVLON: I mean, the president needs to take responsibility for the situation he's created and the reality that the House Republicans who, in the past, have been the biggest obstacle to bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform, have been the biggest advocates of many shutdowns in the past, are the least relevant branch of government in this particular negotiation. He's got to deal with the fact that Democrats control the House now.

It's a different political reality, so you're going to have to compromise a little bit.

HENDERSON: I think for Democrats, one of the main reasons they don't want -- they don't want to give in here is this would set a terrible precedent, this idea that a president can shut down the government over something that is his priority but can't get consensus from Congress. I think that's one of the big things.

I was at an event with Kamala Harris last night, and that's one of the key things that she said. That's a real problem that Democrats see this could create if you give in to a president who behaves this way.

CAMEROTA: Really helpful.

BERMAN: And again, questions will be wise in a national bird seat today. And it wasn't a month ago, two months ago. Why is it a crisis today. It wasn't a month ago or a year ago when he had a Republican House.

One last note: In the dramatic reading, you had more lines than I did. You had way more lines.

CAMEROTA: I did feel I was the star of that one.

BERMAN: Clearly.

CAMEROTA: Yes, I did feel that.

All right. Well, there's always 7 a.m. and 8 a.m. hour where we could switch it up.

Thank you all very much.

President Trump is facing a Democrat-controlled House, of course, and a new report says his legal team is preparing to take on House leaders and investigators. What's that strategy? Will it be effective? All that's next.

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[06:18:22] CAMEROTA: President Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, says his client is done answering Special Counsel Robert Mueller's questions.

"The Washington Post" reports that the beefed-up legal team at the White House is ready to defend the president's executive privilege as this investigation continues.

Let's bring in Nia-Malika Henderson. She -- CNN legal analyst Jennifer Rogers and former federal prosecutor for the Southern District of New York; and Philip Mudd, a former CIA counterterrorism official and FBI senior intelligence adviser.

I feel like we have the right panel for this segment. BERMAN: Absolutely. They're well-situated for something.

CAMEROTA: Yes. For executive privilege.

BERMAN: Well, look, so "The Washington Post" is reporting that the White House counsel's office is beefing up on lawyers, hiring new lawyers as the Coast Guard is telling people to have garage sales so they can pay their bills. The White House is adding more lawyers for an executive privilege fight.

Jennifer Rogers, this feels like a preview of the next six months of our lives, where the White House is planning to fight the release of all or parts of the Mueller report based on executive privilege. Explain how that works.

JENNIFER ROGERS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I think you're right, John. That's what we're facing. I do think that their beefing up their legal team is, in part, just getting it back to where it normally is, because so many people have quit from the White House counsel's office.

But what we're facing is there's an executive privilege, right, that bars public release of information that goes between the president and his closest advisers, in order to protect the presidency from all of that information getting out. We want the president to be able to get good advice from his lawyers and his advisers and make decisions based on that advice.

The problem is executive privilege has not been extensively or thoroughly litigated in this country. We don't know the outside parameters of it.

[06:20:04] We have the Nixon case, where Nixon was forced, of course, to turn over recordings from the White House in that case. And that says that, when there's a criminal case going on and information is relevant to the criminal case, you have to turn it over, regardless of executive privilege.

But we don't know where it goes, really, other than that and a few other cases. So it's a big unknown. We know there's going to be a big fight. We know it's going to get to the courts. We know that eventually the Supreme Court will decide something. We just don't know what that is.

BERMAN: This pertains to obstruction of justice. Did the president try to obstruct justice, try to obstruct the collusion investigation by his conversations with some people inside the White House?

ROGERS: Well, he would have gotten advice from inside the White House. The obstruction is based on an action, right, not on the conversations that he had with his advisers.

The question is, what advice did he get, and then what did he do? If they told him "You cannot do this. You cannot fire Jim Comey. That will be obstruction of justice," and he nevertheless went out and did it, that shows intent on his part, right? That shows more knowledge. So that's why those conversations are very relevant.

But it's really the action of the firing and the attempt to fire Mueller that would be the basis of the obstruction.

CAMEROTA: So Phil Mudd, when Rudy Giuliani says this -- "As far as we're concerned, everything is over. We weren't convinced that the Mueller team had any questions they don't know the answer to" -- does the Trump team get to decide that the questions are over? Or does Mueller get to decide when the questions are over?

PHIL MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: Well, I think Mueller would -- if you look at the news today, would have more questions, even based on the past, whatever, 48, 72 hours. You're getting information reported in the news that Paul Manafort was taking money from people who were provided data, presumably secret data from the Trump campaign.

So if you're on the Mueller team, you might say, "Well, was Manafort also talking to the president at the same time about policy on Russia and Ukraine? And does the president have any recollection of this?"

Look, I think the Mueller team would have ongoing questions from the document that the president provided months ago. But if the president says, "I don't want to answer," I don't know how they're going to compel him to do that.

And, by the way, I suspect the Mueller team already has enough information about people in the White House to proceed with the investigation without follow-up questions. I'm sure they have them, Alisyn, but I think they've already got what they need.

CAMEROTA: Well, I mean, let's face it. They already knew about Manafort. This is a new revelation to us in the press, but this was part of their court filings. So they already knew that Manafort had handed off this proprietary polling data.

MUDD: Sure. But it's not clear to me that they could go up with follow-up questions to the president, because Manafort was still part of the campaign then, to say what were the conversations in the campaign with the campaign manager about Russia? Do you remember anything on this date or that date?

I agree that they knew about the -- the information showing that Manafort provided data. It's not clear that they could use that information to pose follow-up questions to the president.

BERMAN: And it seems to me, Nia, that everything that we have seen before in terms of Rudy Giuliani, what he's been doing, his TV lawyering, because I don't think he's in the backroom pouring over legal documents.

CAMEROTA: That's right.

BERMAN: He's out there presenting a public relations case. That's a preview. That's a small-scale preview to what we're going to see. A public fight, a knock-down, drawn-out legal political public relations fight over the release of the Mueller report.

HENDERSON: That's right. And I think we're going to start to see what the conversation looks like next week when William Barr begins his confirmation hearings.

What does he think about the purview of the Mueller investigation? What does he think about when the DOJ does get this Mueller report? Do they have to hand it right over to Congress? Or do they have to hand it to the White House first, and whether or not the White House would have sort of executive privilege to redact some of that information?

So yes, this is going to be fascinating. You've got, as you said, Rudy Giuliani out there, trying to sort of spin what the president is willing to do. And we obviously know that William Barr has written about this before, essentially saying that he feels like that Mueller would be beyond his scope in terms of trying to get to the president again and have a conversation with the president about obstruction.

That's going to be something that comes up in this confirmation hearing next week with William Barr. And Democrats obviously concerned that he has a sort of certain bias towards this investigation.

CAMEROTA: We have a little bit more of a window into this, because Senator Lindsey Graham met with him one-on-one with William Barr, Jennifer, and came out and reported the questions that he had asked William Barr and what he had answered.

And according to Lindsey Graham, Barr says that he plans to err on the side of transparency about sharing the final report of Mueller's with Congress. So that should make people feel comforted. And that he believes that Mueller is legitimate and that Mueller is doing a respectable job with the investigation.

In other words, Bill Barr said everything to Lindsey Graham, if Lindsey Graham can be believed -- and we have no reason not to -- that would assuage people's anxieties about this.

ROGERS: I do think that gives some comfort. But look, I hope that the senators push on that in a public forum in testimony under oath. I hope that Bill Barr is pushed for commitments that he will not shut down the Mueller investigation, he will not starve it of resources. That he will make public a report, you know, as far as he can and that the American people can hear that directly from Bill Barr's mouth, because that's going to be a very, very important thing going forward.

BERMAN: And again, this will be a public hearing next week, Bill Barr, in a way, speaking to the American people, speaking to the Senate, as well, trying to tell them that the Mueller investigation is safe.

Phil, while we have you here, I do want to ask you again about the Manafort information we received, the idea that he handed private polling information onto someone known to be connected to Russian intelligence. The investigation -- this investigation from the beginning, the

Mueller investigation before that, when the FBI was doing it, was a legal and a counterintelligence investigation.

From a counterintelligence standpoint, when you hear that a campaign official is handing polling data over to someone known to be connected to Russian intelligence, what alarm bells go off?

MUDD: Two of them. I want -- the big question we're missing is obviously why? Why did he do this? What did he expect in exchange? What did he expect the Ukrainians to do with the information?

The couple of questions I have would be, for example, did they expect access to him while -- that is Manafort while he was influencing policy on the campaign? That's a counterintelligence problem.

The second -- and that's why, obviously, Manafort's cooperation is significant. He's cooperating, I suspect, on money issues, because he doesn't see those as as sensitive as admitting that he was a pawn of a foreign intelligence service.

The second question I'd have is did that data he provided, was that then used, for example, to influence how the Russians bought or Russian-backed entities bought Facebook ads during the campaign.

I want to know the why. Why he was doing this? Because I presume he's not sitting round his townhouse saying, "Hey, they might be interested in this. What the heck, I think pass it over to them." He thought they'd use it, and we don't know yet.

CAMEROTA: But isn't the answer he was in debt. I mean, can it be as simple as greed and wanting to get out of debt, that we know that he might have been making a deal -- a financial deal of some kind?

MUDD: Sure. But he wanted to pass the information, obviously, because he wanted to pay off debts. We know from his Alexandria, Virginia, court appearance that his business was in a lot of trouble.

But again, the question I'd have is why did he think they were interested in that information? I want to know what he expected, intent. What he expected them to use that for. It can't be good, but we just don't know the answer to that yet.

BERMAN: All right. Phil Mudd, Nia-Malika Henderson, Jennifer Rogers, thanks so much for being with us. Buh-bye, or is it --

CAMEROTA: I really think it's bye-bye.

HENDERSON: Bye-bye.

BERMAN: You guys all went with Alisyn on that. Wow.

CAMEROTA: I really feel it's not the John McLaughlin "Buh-bye." It's "Bye-bye."

BERMAN: OK. I'm going to take that out of consideration. A dramatic car rescue captured on body cam. Officers racing to save a man's life. What led to this crash? That's next.

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