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Missing Teen Found Alive, Turns Up "Like a Ghost"; 911 Call Released of Woman in Vegetative State Giving Birth; Lindsey Graham after Trump Meeting: Declare Emergency Now; Where Do Walls Work to Manage Illegal Immigration; Trump May Divert Disaster Relief Funds to Build Wall. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired January 11, 2019 - 14:30   ET

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[14:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Police say he specifically targeted Jayme. And they don't believe there was any contact before this all happened. Investigators had been hoping for a big break in the case and they say the big break came from Jayme herself.

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CHRIS FITZGERALD, SHERIFF, BARRON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: It's amazing the will of that 13-year-old girl to survive and escape. That comes from the hope and the prayers.

DIANE TREMBLAY, SUPERINTENDENT, BARRON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT: We want to thank Jayme for being so courageous and for achieving an opportunity to find her way back to us. What an extraordinary young lady.

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BALDWIN: CNN correspondent, Martin Savidge, has been following this whole stunning turn of events.

Thank goodness she's OK. What do we know about the last three months for her?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's been miraculous in the last 24 hours. That's for sure. But for 88 days, it's been a nightmare not only for her living family, but also for the so many thousands of people that became involved in this case. So essentially what happened as you broke it down, in what seemed like a matter of minutes, not only is she able to free herself, she's able to notify law enforcement. The suspect who murdered her parents and who kidnaped her is into custody. So all of that plays out in what was such a dramatic style and dramatic fashion. But now come the questions. In other words, why was she targeted here?

This suspect now in custody, Jake Patterson, 21 years of age. He has no criminal record. He had no help. It's not clear exactly why he targeted this young girl. Doesn't appear to be a direct connection between him and the family. He carefully preplanned all of this and that's part of the reason he was able to once he kidnaped her keep her contained in a remote area. This is about 60 miles northwest of where she lived. It's an area where not many people are in the winter time. So we're learning here that he carefully planned all of this, but we still don't know the motive behind it all at this point.

She's undergoing a mental evaluation. She's talking to detectives both the federal and local authorities here. They are going to celebrate the fact that she is out. Despite all their work and the dedication of so many people, it really came down to a 13-year-old girl saving herself. She did. Tremendous courage on her part -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: And just quickly, I think --do we have sound from the neighbor?

No sound, OK.

Martin Savidge, thank you very much.

SAVIDGE: You bet.

BALDWIN: Just in, not only did the Senate go home, the House is now gone. Despite 800,000 workers not getting paid today as the shutdown gets ready to become the longest in American history as of midnight tonight.

A dramatic new development in the disturbing story of this woman who gave birth while in a vegetative state. The 911 calls just in. Stand by.

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[14:37:02] BALDWIN: The 911 tapes have been released of the moment workers at a long-time health care facility realized a patient in a vegetative state was pregnant and about to give birth. The woman had been in that condition for decades. And now there are new details about her care at the facility. Court records reveal she's been a patient since she was a toddler. She's now 29 years old.

Sara Sidner is our CNN national correspondent in Phoenix with the 911 tapes.

First of all, she's been in a vegetative state, Sara, for 20-plus years?

SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's 27 years, according to court documents. Her mother had to go to the courts to make her a ward because, after she became an adult, she wanted to make sure she could take care of her and make the decisions because her daughter cannot. The police were clear that this woman was incapacitated and could not talk or walk. And then they find out that she's pregnant. How did that happen at this facility where she's been taken care of for decades, where she's supposed to have staffing and people caring for her and paying attention to her? How could this possibly happen? Police are very clear what this is all about. This is a sexual assault case. They are looking for the culprit.

I want to let you listen to the extremely disturbing 911 call that came out of this medical facility, the Hacienda HealthCare facility, when they determined that, all of a sudden, this woman was having a baby and the baby was turning blue.

BALDWIN: Oh, my god.

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UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: The baby is turning blue. The baby is turning blue.

911 OPERATOR: What's the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: Someone just -- one of our patients just had a baby and we had no idea she was pregnant.

911 OPERATOR: Is the baby out?

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UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: The baby is turning blue. We need someone now.

Were you able to get the baby out? Is the baby breathing? Is the baby breathing?

The baby is not breathing. The baby is blue.

911 OPERATOR: So are they doing CPR?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: Are they doing CPR?

Yes, they are doing CPR on the baby.

911 OPERATOR: Keep going with that. How is mom doing?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: Mom is doing well. It looks like she's doing well.

911 OPERATOR: How far along is she?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: We had no idea this person was pregnant. We had no idea this patient was pregnant.

911 OPERATOR: I understand. Do they know how far along she was or anything?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: We have no idea. This is a complete surprise. We were not expecting this.

Are you still doing compressions?

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: The baby's breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED HACIENDA HEALTHCARE WORKER: Oh, the baby is breathing.

Oh, my god. Thank god.

(END AUDIO FEED) SIDNER: Listen to what that staffer said. She said, we had no idea she was pregnant. Why is that? This woman is in a nursing facility. She's in a skilled nursing facility. That's a question that her family will be asking and all the people are asking who have patients inside here. And there are attorneys involved in this.

I do want to mention this. According to her court records, a doctor did give her a woman exam, gave her a medical exam this year -- excuse me 2018. It was in April. Which means, if she went full term was already pregnant but didn't do a pregnancy test because she's in a vegetative state. They were probably assuming that wouldn't happen as long as she's being cared for in this facility.

There are a lot of questions and police have already started getting DNA from staffers inside that Hacienda HealthCare to try to see if any of it matches the baby -- Brooke?

[14:40:24] BALDWIN: Who would have done this to her?

Sara Sidner, this story is extraordinary. We'll keep talking to you about it.

Thank you very much, in Phoenix.

Coming up next, if President Trump decides to declare a national emergency, billions of dollars meant to help victims of hurricanes and wildfires could go to build his wall. So what do survivors of recent natural disasters have to say about that? We'll talk to someone recovering from the wildfires in California.

First, we'll answer the question, is there anywhere in the world where walls actually work to keep people out. Tom Foreman joins me with a reality check that might surprise you.

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[14:45:27] BALDWIN: Breaking news. After meeting with President Trump in the White House, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham just released a statement that reads, "Mr. President, declare a national emergency now. Build a wall now."

CNN's White House correspondent, Kaitlan Collins, is with me with more.

Tell me more about this meeting.

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KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Clearly a pretty strong statement from the Republican Senator from South Carolina, who we did not know was going to have a meeting with the president. He met with President Trump and his team as well. He says that they came to the conclusion that, quote, "It's clear to both of us that Democrats don't want to make a deal and will never support a border wall or barrier." That's why he's calling on the president to declare a national emergency and to build the wall now. Now that's quite a different tone that what Lindsey Graham said last week when he said essentially declaring a national emergency should be the, quote, "fallback option." But he's mirroring something we have seen, a pattern starting to emerge as it's become clear the talks in the White House and Democrats are going nowhere.

But, Brooke, to be certain, this is certainly not the way all Republicans feel. Including Senator Chuck Grassley, who said he didn't think the president should pursue the route of declaring a national emergency because he feared what kind of precedent it could set for future presidents. That's been a concern from some of the more conservative members of the Republican Party on Capitol Hill.

Essentially, all this is going on as the White House and lawmakers are bracing for the president to declare a national emergency, getting prepared for that legal battle that would follow if the president does do that. He has promised and said that if he and Congress can't come to an agreement, he's going to declare a national emergency to get the wall built.

BALDWIN: I have a feeling we could be talking about something different in a matter of hours, Kaitlan.

Kaitlan Collins, thank you, at the White House.

In the president's quest to build a wall, a border wall here in the U.S., he's cited other nations like Israel that have built border walls to curb illegal immigration. Do the walls work?

CNN's Tom Foreman is here with a look at how they've faired and whether they impacted those country's bottom line.

Tom, what did you find?

TOM FOREMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, the president has cited a conversation with the leader of Israel about a barrier that country put up and how well it worked. Just take a listen to what he said.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Put up a wall. And 99.9 percent successful, according to Benjamin Netanyahu. I said, you mind if I use that number. They will fact check it and say, oh, it was actually only 99 percent.

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FOREMAN: He appears to be talking about Israel's fence. It's 150 miles long and erected in response to a great wave of immigrations. If you look at what was cited by a Harvard report, which mentioned Israeli statistics, it says that, in 2011, 17,000 African immigrants entered Israel illegally, but after the fence was done, the number was only 43 people. Still, that searcher points out that the terrain there's wide open desert, which is easily watched. And Israel also passed deterrent laws making it harder for immigrants to be employed and to send money back to their families back at home -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: What about other current examples of fences or walls to stop migration? And have they worked?

FOREMAN: Spain has a fence to stop people in Morocco from entering two Spanish enclaves in Africa and seeking asylum. There's two layers. It's also had an impact. In 2014, 2100 immigrants entered Spain. The fence went up and the next year it was down to 100. In Hungary, there's also some very imposing work being done on fences that are both topped and electrified. And that was in response to large numbers of immigrants seeking new homes in Europe. For better or worse, it also seems to be working -- Brooke?

BALDWIN: Do you -- when you look the at the numbers, when I suggest that a fence or barrier would work to stem illegal entries along the border?

FOREMAN: That's really the tricky part for investigators who try to look at this and experts who try to look at this. The U.S. border is 10 times as big as that Israeli border. So could a barrier deter some people? Absolutely it would. But at what cost and how effective will it be? Remember the terrain out here is much more challenging than what you're talking about in Israel. There's a lot more variation to it. Stopping all the people who might want to cut through it or climb over it or tunnel underneath it, as they have in dozens and dozens of places already, will take tremendous resources, more patrols or surveillance. In short, a lot of the things that many Democrats say are already in place, which work well, and which they are prepared to find Brooke?

[14:50:24] BALDWIN: Thank you for the other examples around the world, Tom Foreman. Appreciate it.

If the president does divert disaster relief funds to pay for the border wall -- we know Mexico won't be paying for it - but Puerto Rico, California, Texas could be paying for it. Those folks are still suffering. Californians are still recovering from the deadliest wildfire in state history. The Campfire and the mudslides and the debris flow that followed. And that's not sitting well with survivors or state lawmakers.

So with me on the phone is Jason Klump. He lost his home when the entire town of Paradise, California, was destroyed.

Jason, thank you for jumping on with me today.

Just filling in people who are watching. You haven't been able to even go to work because the building burned down. You lost your home. You're living out of motel. Now you're hearing emergency aid given to folks like you and centers who are helping you may be diverted to build a wall. How do you feel about that?

JASON KLUMP, LOST HOME IN PARADISE, CALIFORNIA, FIRE (via telephone): It's quite the gut punch to me and everyone in the town of Paradise who have been displaced and lost their homes.

BALDWIN: A gut punch. Describe that more. Are you sad, angry? Describe it.

KLUMP: I'm angry. This fire started on federal land. They just cut $2 billion for forest management while California is spending money on forest management and he wants to call California to blame on that. It doesn't make sense to me.

BALDWIN: What do you want to say to leaders in Washington?

KLUMP: Get your act together. It's a natural disaster that happened. We're all displaced. I can't even go back to work because I'm so far displaced from my home. We need this help.

BALDWIN: I want to ask you about you. You went back to the rubble of your home. And --

KLUMP: I'm there right now.

BALDWIN: You're there right now. I read something so precious to you like your father's ashes are gone.

KLUMP: Yes, my father's ashes. I had plans on burying him on that spot. I had plans on what I wanted to do with his ashes. Now I have no choice.

BALDWIN: How are you holding up?

KLUMP: It's very hard to deal with. Very hard. Now to hear our leader out of our country is threatening to take funding from us, yes, it's quite the gut punch.

BALDWIN: So important to be talking to federal employees.

KLUMP: California is going through that right now.

BALDWIN: Yes. No, but I wanted to talk to you as well.

Jason Klump, thank you so much. Your words.

KLUMP: You're welcome.

BALDWIN: A punch in the gut.

Appreciate you. Appreciate you.

More on our breaking news, Republican Congressman Steve King is now under serious fire for his racist remarks, including criticism from Republican Senator Tim Scott. One aide is calling this a tipping point. Standby.

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[14:57:40] BALDWIN: From World War II to the women's movement, "Rebel Without a Cause" to the rise of MTV, political, social and economic changes have also had a massive impact on the way we dress. The new CNN original series "AMERICAN STYLE" looks at how the past 100 years have defined this country's unique style and identity. Here's a clip.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The '40s and '50s were definitely an America finding itself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Americans felt very second-rate when comparing ourselves to Europe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sportswear became the defining style of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bikini was the biggest thing since the atom bomb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since the '60s, '70s, our style and fashion represents freedom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you look at hippy culture, it's really oppositional to the Vietnam War.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Disco was really important in terms of people being free to express themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the '80s, it was a lot of excess in every way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had our Calvin Kleins and our Ralph Laurens and our Donna Karans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Public advertising was scandals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His underwear ad stopped traffic in Times Square.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the '90s and 2000s, things have become less formal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Supermodels really brought fashion into every household.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now what's embraced is being yourself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Style gives you a voice. It's freedom.

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BALDWIN: I love that.

Fashion designer, Isaac Mizrahi, is with me.

It's a pleasure to meet you.

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BALDWIN: I think a lot of people watching, think of fashion, they think it's this fancy models, runway, I can never wear that. But you making it approachable, to see, target. Why is that so important for people to feel like what you're making and beautiful clothes can be theirs?

ISAAC MIZRAHI, FASHION DESIGNER: You know, like there's still this incredible high-fashion scene that takes place. A lot of people equate that fashion edge with a kind of self-emulation, like a loathing. You think of something and think I'm too fat, I could never wear that. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. All of those rules have totally gone away now. Really. You can't be -- there's no such thing as inappropriately large or small or colored or this or that. It's just such an incredible sort of ground zero now for fashion and style.