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May's Brexit Plan B Planned As Repackaged Plan A; Democrats and President Trump Not Moved by a Month-long Shutdown; Links between Kenya Hotel Attack and Somalia; Pyongyang Operating Secret Missile Bases; IMF Cuts Growth Forecasts As World Economic Forum Begins; Globalization Facing Uncertain Future As Forum Begins. Aired 12m-1a ET

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Hello, everybody, great to have you with us, you are watching CNN NEWSROOM.

Ahead this hour after a parliamentary rejection of historic proportions for her Brexit plan, the British prime minister Theresa May reveals plan B. It looks a lot like plan A.

The Democrats refusing to give Donald Trump a penny for his border wall and even some of his most loyal supporters may now be losing patience.

And a new report that uncovers secrets that North Korea's missile program just as the North Korean leader prepares to meet again with the U.S. president.

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VAUSE: The definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over again and expecting a different outcome. That may be what happened in Parliament on Monday for Theresa May when she introduced her Brexit plan B. Many took a look at it and said it's an awful lot like plan A.

But there is good news; if you are a European citizen that wants to stay in the U.K. after Brexit, now you won't have to pay the 84-dollar application fee. The prime minister is hoping that change will win over more supporters in Parliament for some reason.

And additional concessions that she's still hoping to win from the E.U. Details now from CNN's Bianca Nobilo.

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BIANCA NOBILO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: British lawmakers and keen-eyed observers would be forgiven for feeling a sense of deja vu today as the prime minister presented her plan B for Brexit after her plan A failed so dismally. And plan B and plan A look very similar.

In fact, Theresa May didn't announce any substantive changes. She said she'd continue to engage in cross-party talks and give PMs the opportunity to view confidential information in committee meetings.

She did however take the opportunity to explain why she thought extending Article 50 would be the wrong thing to do and the problems that she sees in the second referendum.

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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I set out many times my deep concerns about returning to the British people for a second referendum. Our duty is to implement the decision of the first one.

I fear a second referendum would set a difficult precedent that could have significant implications for how we handle referendums in this country, not least -- not least strengthening the hands of those campaigning to break up our United Kingdom.

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NOBILO: So, if the prime minister is not currently changing course on Brexit, the impetus might come from elsewhere. Parliamentarians on the back benches have started to table amendments to the prime minister's Brexit plan.

And this could become critical because they give the House of Commons the opportunity to express their support for various different Brexit scenarios like extending the negotiations or even a second referendum and they will be debated in the coming weeks. Potentially, the only event which has any chance of breaking the Brexit deadlock -- Bianca Nobilo, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: To Los Angeles now and CNN's European Affairs Commentator and Brexit exit expert Dominic Thomas.

Good to see you, Dominic. OK, because we'd like to spend a bit of quality time in the weeks, let's get into it. Because the prime minister told Parliament she'd made three major changes to her original Brexit plan in the wake of that epic rejection last week by pretty much everyone around the world.

Moving forward she says the government will be more flexible, more open, more inclusive when it comes to Parliament and future negotiations with the E.U. She talked about the need for you know, strong protections for worker's rights as well as the environment.

And the third point she said, "We will work to identify how we can ensure that our commitment to no hard border in Northern Ireland and Ireland can be delivered in a way that commands the support of the House and the European Union." She made -- the first she promises to the Commons before and on that North Ireland she's been saying the exact same thing since before Christmas. You know, even though it's Plan B, it's just Plain A preheated the microwave with a bit of you know, parsley on top but the crusty alphabets are still there. And even this meaningful vote which was talked about for next week won't happen until next month, apparently.

So basically, the strategy here is to run down the clock and then what?

DOMINIC THOMAS, CNN EUROPEAN AFFAIRS COMMENTATOR: Well, yes. I mean, you run down the clock and some of the concessions she talked about making today were the very things that she took away herself, you know. So it's sort of like President Trump negotiating over DACA when he's the one trying to block it, you know. So none of this made no sense.

And of course, you know, as we know and as we've talked about you know, several times, the only way that Theresa May can ever hope to get a deal through Parliament is to move to the center. And that means just talking with the opposition and that means exploring ultimately an arrangement that involves some kind of customs union and some --

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THOMAS: -- kind of single market agreement.

There was absolutely no way that she's going to get that through with the Brexiters so she's stuck with that particular dialer murmur in the risk of fracturing her party. But if she's going to get around this -- the whole question of the Irish backstop and the potentiality of the border, of a hard border with Republic of Ireland, it's the only way she's going to go. If not, that is going to be part of the equation and the European Union is not going to back down on that.

VAUSE: Well, captain Brexiteer Boris Johnson himself emerged to cheer on this last final leg of a self-inflicted existential crisis. This is part of what he said.

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BORIS JOHNSON, FORMER FOREIGN SECRETARY, UNITED KINGDOM: We're nearly there and we must not give up now because if we hold our nerve, I believe we can deliver not a pseudo-Brexit, a fake Brexit in which we leave the E.U. but end up being run by the E.U. But the Brexit people voted for with all the potential advantages and opportunities.

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VAUSE: What is this man talking about? What are the advantages and the opportunities? What are the benefits?

THOMAS: Yes. I mean, it's just absolutely staggering that he's -- that he's still going around you know, doing this. I mean, the fact is he's repeating the fact that this is the Brexit that people voted for when we know very well that at the very best, voting on leaving the European Union was on one thing a referendum on David Cameron and so on and so forth. People had very little idea of what the implications were.

Certainly, the whole question of Ireland had never -- had not come up at the time. And this idea of the U.K. you know sort of sailing off into the horizon with all these great deals around the world. Every aspect of what he argues has been challenged. The economic benefits and so on and so forth. And it's just remarkable that the amount of attention and the sort of the hypocrisy of this particular wing of the Conservative Party that they just keep on banging their drum pushing and pushing for it which really leads you when you realize that Theresa May you know, quite arrogantly sort of disappeared over the weekend you know, returned with basically no changes, a few cosmetic changes to her plan that maybe ultimately the plan is just to run the clock out and to end up with some kind of Brexit.

And that ultimately for a victory is a victory for her keeping the Conservative Party intact. But I cannot see the next few weeks is going down the road with there being either -- about there being resignations or demonstrations and so on as people are increasingly upset with this, you know.

VAUSE: The Prime Minister also made it clear yet again there will not be another referendum on the issue. This is what she said.

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MAY: I fear a second referendum would set a difficult precedent that could have significant implications for how we handle referendums in this country. But I also believe that it's not yet being enough recognition of the way that a second referendum could damage social cohesion by undermining faith in our democracy.

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VAUSE: You know what else could undermine social cohesion, a shortage of prescription medicine, empty shelves in grocery stores, a shrinking economy, a recession. You know, if there is a choice here between the bad, if you think it's bad which would be another vote and the catastrophic you know, which would be you know, a no plan Brexit, you're not or the bad of it yet over the catastrophic.

THOMAS: No, I mean it's absolute (INAUDIBLE). And we're already in a catastrophic situation. And this has been going on for four years now on every aspect you know, of society you know, has been has been impacted by this. And there is ultimately a no plan. And the tremendous hypocrisy around this too is that they've also been some you know, insinuations and discussion about the sort of the question of the Good Friday Agreement and whether or not that should be you know, revisited or reconsidered and she seems to be forgetting that that also twenty years ago in May 1998 was put through a very convincing kind of referendum.

So she's picking and choosing here what it is that works for her and ultimately trying to satisfy cohesion within her -- within her own party rather than looking at the broader national picture. And once again, she's going down that road without adequately consulting and listening to people and we're just going to be faced with the same problems in the same situation day-in-day-out for the next almost 70 days. You know, it's absolutely extraordinary.

VAUSE: Remember last week we're talking about the fact that maybe those trade deals that they were hoping for you know, those big deals just simply weren't out there in a post Brexit world for the U.K. It does seem that we may have overlooked maybe at least one bright spot for the U.K. Listen to this. This is the New Zealand Prime Minister.

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JACINDA ARDERN, PRIME MINISTER, NEW ZEALAND: There is enthusiasm for a free trade agreement with New Zealand. It's really important. It now means the U.K. has undertaken the preliminary work with only three countries, the United States, Australia and New Zealand in preparation for a free trade agreement. We're not in a position to negotiate.

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VAUSE: There's enthusiasm in New Zealand, there's no enthusiasm in the U.S. and the Australians are lukewarm but you know, this is a stopgap measure, it's not a trade deal. It's basically so that exports can continue while there is some kind of trade deal being negotiated, the rules and regulations won't change. But you know, this isn't exactly the return of the British empire isn't it?

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THOMAS: No, absolutely not. In fact, what you could argue is maybe the New Zealanders have got a few good towboats and they might hitch up to the island and just sort of pull it down you know, into the Southern Hemisphere, you know and better weather and let's just see how -- let's just see how that works out.

It's absolutely you know, it just shows you that there's sort of the depths to which we've sunk and the desperate nature of this government that this kind of news is somehow there. It's absolutely ridiculous.

All the reporting shows that the U.K. is far better off being part of the European Union as we move. In other words, we are in this new globalized world and that alongside you know, China and India and other parts of the world, the U.K. going it alone and is not a very good proposition economically.

VAUSE: Yes. It's still a good proposition on so many levels and yet it still continues like a car careening out of control. Dominic, good to see you. Thank you.

THOMAS: Thanks, John.

(END VIDEOTAPE) VAUSE: The U.S. government shutdown grinding to its 32nd day. There are plans that Democrats and Republicans submit on separate border security bills this week, there is little expectation the standoff will actually end anytime soon. Here is Kaitlan Collins with details on where the negotiations are right now.

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KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: President Trump making an unannounced visit to the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial in Washington today.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's a great day, it's a beautiful day. And thank you for being here

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COLLINS: But declining during his two-minute long trip to answer any questions on the longest government shutdown in history.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you talk about the shutdown at all?

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COLLINS: Now 31 days old with 800,000 federal workers bracing to miss their second pay check. Hopes to end the stalemate remained slim this weekend as Trump blasted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a radical Democrat who's lost control of her party.

Those tweets coming after Pelosi immediately rejected Trump's latest proposal to restore three years in deportation protections for some immigrants, including many of those brought to the country illegally as children in exchange for 5.7 billion for his border wall.

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TRUMP: Number one is three years of legislative relief for 700,000 DACA recipients brought here unlawfully by their parents at a young age many years ago.

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COLLINS: Democrats declare the offer dead on arrival.

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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, (D) MINORITY LEADER, NEW YORK: If he opens up the government, we'll discuss whatever he offers but hostage taking should not work. It's very hard to negotiate when a gun is held to your head.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COLLINS: And immigration hardliners dismissed it as amnesty, including Ann Coulter, who tweeted, "We voted for Trump and got Jeb Bush."

The president pushing back on that criticism from conservatives, saying amnesty isn't part of his offer now, but might be later on in a much bigger deal.

And on the eve of the Martin Luther King holiday, Vice President Mike Pence likening the president to the civil rights icon.

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MICHAEL PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: One of my favorite quotes from Dr. King was, "Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy."

You think of how he changed America, he inspired us to change through the legislative process to become a more perfect union. That's exactly what President Trump is calling on the Congress to do.

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COLLINS: Martin Luther King Jr.'s son pushing back on that comparison.

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MARTIN LUTHER KING III, MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.'S SON: Now, Martin Luther King Jr. was a bridge builder, not a wall builder.

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COLLINS: Now CNN is being told that the White House does expect the Senate majority Leader Mitch McConnell to introduce the president's proposal tomorrow as part of a broader package. That could potentially be set up for a vote on Thursday.

But it's still a question of whether or not any Democrats would support it. They would need several Democratic votes and so far, since the speech gave his speech on Saturday not a single Democrat has come out in support over it. Though plenty have criticized it.

A senior Democratic aide told CNN they do not expect it to be able to get 60 votes. But in the White House's eyes at least they will be able to ratchet up the pressure on Democrats and put them on defense -- Kaitlan Collins, CNN, the White House.

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VAUSE: CNN political analyst Ron Brownstein is with us.

Ron, thanks for taking the time.

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Hi, John.

VAUSE: The president misjudged a couple of things about this standoff and one of the big things seems to be the Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi. You know, he keeps saying that she's been highjacked, she's a hostage of the far left radical wing of her party.

It seems that she's actually leading her party. This is Speaker Pelosi and she kind of made that really clear last week with this comment, listen to this.

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REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CALIF.), HOUSE SPEAKER: The fact is a wall is an immorality. It's not who we are as a nation. And this is not a wall between Mexico and the United States that the president is creating here. It's a wall between reality and his constituents.

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VAUSE: That's not the talk of compromise.

How do you compromise on immorality?

As much as Trump wants this political win, Pelosi wants a total victory it seems over him.

BROWNSTEIN: This is the first indication of how different this Democratic majority is from the last time the Democrats held the majority and Speaker Pelosi held the gavel 10 years ago. Ten years ago, a large -- the Democratic majority was dependent on a large number of members from increasingly Republican blue collar, rural districts, the Blue Dog districts, that the kinds of arguments that the president is making now would have had effect and would have I think kind of unnerved some of them.

This is a different Democratic majority, it's a suburban-urban majority built around voter groups, primarily young people, college- educated white voters and minorities who are all deeply opposed to the wall. There is no element of the Democratic coalition in which I think the president's arguments are making much headway.

And as a result, I don't think the members feel much pressure. Now having said that, I think that, you know, opposing the wall is one thing; I think there are members who are nervous about seeming to appear indifferent about border security, which is very different.

The public wants border security, they made that clear in polling for 25 years. The problem that the president has is he has not convinced them that the wall is essential to that.

VAUSE: It was what, a month ago and 11 days when the president made this jawdropping promise to congressional Democrats live on television, here it is.

BROWNSTEIN: Yes.

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TRUMP: I am proud to should down the government for border security. I will take the mantle and I will be the one to shut it undo, I will not blame you for it. The last time you should it down, it didn't work I will take down the mantle of shutting it down.

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VAUSE: A great number of Americans actually blame the president for the government shutdown; his approving ratings are down 7 percent over the previous month, according to a recent survey. That decline coming from within his own base, his own suburban base, white men, white evangelicals and self-identified Republicans.

I can understand why Donald Trump is willing to make the border wall and the shutdown a hill on which he is prepared to die.

But why are Republican senators willing to join him, especially Mitch McConnell?

BROWNSTEIN: This is a great question. Shutting down the government, which is a tactic most Americans so oppose, over building a wall, that polls show that most Americans oppose, is in some way a logical endpoint of a Donald Trump political strategy, from day one, has been centered on the theory if you mobilize, stoke and energize your base enough, you can survive a majority of the country being opposed to what you want to do.

I think the midterm election show that there are limits to that strategy, in that Republicans lost the popular vote across the country by 10 million votes and then lost 40 seats in the House, the most since 1974.

But it is consistent with the way he has approached every aspect of his presidency. The fact that so few Republican senators, even those who are in states that are either already competitive or growing more competitive, have been willing to break from this strategy is really an indication of how much Trump is reshaping the GOP in his own image and how much they are essentially lashing themselves to the mast of his presidency going into 2020.

It is true there are very few Republicans, only two Republican senators left, in states that voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Susan Collins of Maine and Cory Gardner in Colorado.

But there are a number of others in states that are becoming more competitive because they are becoming more diverse. And that ranges from Arizona and Georgia to North Carolina and Texas as well as Iowa. It's in a different category.

So there is a big bet being placed by Republicans here because I think it's indicative. Not just this particular fight, it's a measure, a barometer of how much they are accepting the Trump electoral vision, which is about mobilizing and energizing what is clearly a minority of the country. VAUSE: The shutdown is energizing Democrats, it's become a major focus for the Democrats running for 2020. Listen to Senator Elizabeth Warren; here she was on Monday.

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SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MASS.), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As we speak our government is shutdown for one reason, so that the president of the United States can fund a monument to hate and division along our southern border, so that he can point fingers at vulnerable people, so that he can pit neighbor against neighbor, so that Americans can talk about anything other than the president's own failures.

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VAUSE: Democrats rejected the -- what the president said was a compromise offer; he made this over the weekend. It wasn't, it was like the guy that stole your car and brought it back and said, you can have it for three years but I want $5 billion in return.

But the people hear the details, they see a president, compromise, Democrats, no.

Do they run the risk here of playing this too hard?

BROWNSTEIN: Yes, no, look, your characterization is right. It was the president who ended the protections for the DREAMers, it was the president --

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BROWNSTEIN: -- who ended the TPS protections for other immigrants, primarily from Central America. It was the president who shut down the government and now he's saying, well, I will not do any more harm to these hostages if you give me $5 billion for a wall that I have never been able to convince more than 43 percent of the country is a good idea.

You can see on its face why it's not very attractive to Democrats but I do think it requires them to begin to think about, is there any deal they would accept in return for money for a wall.

Only a year ago all but three Senate Democrats voted for a package that would have $25 billion for the wall, much more than we're talking about now, in return for permanent legal status leading to citizenships for a much bigger group of DREAMers, about 1.8 million, than we are talking about now.

Is that still on the table or, as Elizabeth Warren suggested, has the wall become such a symbol, such a toxic symbol of a xenophobia, nativism and exclusion that Democrats cannot accept any deal that includes it?

I think that's the question we may hear more of. Certainly this opening offer from the president will not move many Democrats or create much pressure on them. VAUSE: The Democrats cannot accept any deal with a wall; the president will not accept one without it. That's where we are, Ron, talking about the Democrats running for 2020. Thank you.

BROWNSTEIN: Thank you.

VAUSE: OK. We are going to take short break here, when we come back, we'll head basically off to a second U.S.-North Korea summit or at least the preparations.

But ahead of that, a new report has revealed there is more than meets the eye when it comes to North Korea's missile program, a lot more it seems.

Also trade talks going nowhere and China's economy is slowing down, IMF warning this could be the way of the future.

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VAUSE: A nationwide manhunt is underway in Kenya to find anyone who collaborated in last week's Al-Shabaab terror attack on a Nairobi hotel that killed 21 people. Police are looking for anyone who may have been carrying weapons into Kenya from Somalia.

In a CNN exclusive, Sam Kiley talks to a former Al-Shabaab fighter, who says the main targets of the militants will remain Kenya until its military operation ends in Somalia.

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SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As he watched the coverage of a terrorist attack on Nairobi's Dusit hotel, a chilling revelation: he knew one of the killers, Ali Gichunge. They had met in Somalia and even had lunch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (from captions): I saw him in Baidoa.

KILEY (voice-over): A former Shabaab fighter we'll call "Musa" met the terrorist in Central Somalia. He says Gichunge, who was one of the five jihadists killed in the Dusit, was an Al-Shabaab security service, the Amniat.

"MUSA" (from captions): You know, that guy was a Christian. Then he converted to Islam.

KILEY (voice-over): Musa was recruited at his mosque and now that he's home in Kenya, he's been given amnesty after a deradicalization process. But after surviving an attempt to kill him, he lives in hiding.

"MUSA" (from captions): I hate radicalization. I want to be an example, someone who wants to go, I want to tell them not to go. KILEY (voice-over): His story gives some insight into the training and indoctrination by Al-Shabaab, which has shown brutal skill in attacks on Kenya and into the selection of suicide bombers, seen here detonating outside the Dusit cafe.

"MUSA" (from captions): So at the beginning, you are told, "Are you going to blow yourself?"

If you say yes --

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"MUSA" (from captions): -- they select you. You are like maybe 10 people, who stay in a house, maybe like one year or more. They betray with you patience, betray you with the Quran, something Hadith. I know there are so many. Everybody wants to come and do this, like Dusit. If they are given a chance, they will come.

KILEY (voice-over): Training includes sharing in atrocities.

"MUSA" (from captions): Everyone wants to cut off the head of someone. Have a piece, small bit then give another person, you cut off the head. Yes, they told us this is part of the training.

After that you are told to surround the head, kick it like football to reduce fear in you.

KILEY (voice-over): But for Musa, the fear remained. He says, after two years of combat, he fled Somalia and the terror group.

"MUSA" (from captions): Yes, it was traumatizing, until today, it's coming into my mind. It's difficult.

KILEY (voice-over): Musa said he met large number of foreigners, many of them British and American, and some who wanted to return to their homelands as suicide bombers.

"MUSA" (from captions): I remember one person told me that he wished to be taken to his country, to blow himself up with the wife. He was here, he was in Somalia with the wife and one boy, his child. He told me he wants to take his child to British to blow himself up.

KILEY (voice-over): He is convinced Shabaab has agents in Nairobi, who are planning another atrocity.

"MUSA" (from captions): I know they have people in Nairobi, but I know there is, because I remember our sheikh told us that in every tragedy there is -- there will be always another tragedy. It won't stop.

KILEY (voice-over): And with a steady stream of Kenyans volunteering for jihad, he says there is no shortage of killers to take on their own country -- Sam Kiley, CNN, Nairobi.

(END VIDEOTAPE) VAUSE: When Donald Trump met Kim Jong-un last year, history was made but with a second summit on the horizon and new reports that Pyongyang has been hiding missiles all along, is it time for a new approach when it comes to North Korea?

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VAUSE: You are watching CNN NEWSROOM. Welcome back. I'm John Vause with the headlines this hour.

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[00:30:00] JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: British Prime Minister Theresa May laying out her Brexit plan-b, that looks like plan-a, but would actually do away with fees for European citizens who want to apply to stay in the U.K. because of promise on renegotiate the controversial Irish backstop to appease hardline conservatives. But the E.U.'s top negotiator says; the current agreement is still the best deal possible.

The U.S. president made a brief visit to the Martin Luther King Jr. memorial on Monday as the government shutdown passed the one-month mark. The Senate is set to vote this week on his proposal to extend legal protections that serve undocumented immigrants in exchange for funding a border ball. Democrats say, it's non-starter.

Ahead of a second U.S.-North Korea summit, a private think tank has revealed the location of another undeclared missile base in North Korea, about 200 kilometers from the DMZ. Beyond parallels, these satellite photo, they have found the site called (INAUDIBLE), one of 20 missile bases the North Koreans are operating but have not disclosed. Let's go to Paul Carroll now, Senior Advisor of N Square, which aims to reduce the global threat from nuclear weapons. Paul, good to see you. Let's put this all in context --

PAUL CARROLL, SENIOR ADVISOR, N SQUARE (via Skype): Nice to see you too, John.

VAUSE: Let's put these all in context. Last November, this was the think tank which identified 13 of an estimated 20 undeclared North Korean missile bases. What has been identified this time is a base which serves as a missile headquarters, with a nuclear or conventional first-strike of level operation -- that's why this is significant. The report says, there's evidence the North Koreans are not dismantling these weapons program as proved by the activity here.

And you know, if this is on the only issue ahead of the second summit, you could argue that it's -- to press on, yes, but Trump goes into the second summit as a weaker president than he did the last time. He's battling Democrats in Congress, there's a political -- and you know, scandals at home. He's also losing support internationally for those punitive sanctions, which put the squeeze on Pyongyang. But all of that together, you know, should this be a moment when the great negotiate, Donald Trump, actually sort of steps back and doesn't go ahead with this.

CARROLL: Well, you led off the context beautifully. But I would not say that he should step back. None of this is loss on Kim Jong-un. He knows that he's dealing with a weakened president, he knows that, frankly, he's got the upper hand. These newly discovered, or I should say publicly discovered missile sites are important but they're not show stoppers.

We've always known that the North would have hidden facilities, perhaps more Uranium enrichment missile facilities. I have a more reason to engage with them, all the more reason to continue the conversation, understand what we're dealing with, understand what's possible. Now, do I have high hopes for the second summit? No, I don't. But I'd rather a second summit with some ground work laid by Secretary of State Pompeo and his North Korean counterpart than not.

VAUSE: OK. Well, here's the U.S. vice president talking about, you know, the expectations for the second date between, you know, Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un, here he is.

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MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The president will be announcing details in the days ahead. The meeting that took place this week confirmed there will be a second summit, and at that summit, we'll be laying out our expectation for North Korea to take concrete steps to begin to make real the denuclearization that Kim Jong-un committed to.

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VAUSE: I'm no expert in nuclear negotiations but shouldn't those details have been worked out at the first go around, at the first something.

CARROLL: Well, at least more details than we did see. But this, again, things don't happen overnight. Much as Donald Trump might like them to or much as he would like to be done with all this. This painstaking, detailed and circuitous art of negotiation in international diplomacy, particularly when it comes to a dictator whose sole waking vision and mission every day is survival, and one who has nuclear weapons.

And so, yes, we should have seen a little more substance in the Singapore summit, but there is an opportunity now to add a little more concrete specificity -- some dates, some timelines of what's going to happen. But more importantly, to finally agree on what we are talking about when we say denuclearization. For the North, it means a much broader thing than it does for the U.S. We have to square that circle. It's not just about North Korea giving up their nuclear weapons; they want to see in return that we will never introduce nuclear weapons back in to the region and that's a much different ball of wax. VAUSE: Well, you know, the president has maintained his consistent

optimism when it comes to North Korea, just recently talking about his great relationship he has with Kim Jong-un and how great things out. This is a part of what have he said.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Now, I say this, North Korea, we're doing very well. And again, no rockets -- there's no rockets, there's no anything. We're doing very well. I've directly spoken to Chairman Kim, and when I came as here, this country was headed to war with North Korea and now, we have a very good dialogue going.

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[00:35:12] VAUSE: Obviously, no rockets, no nuclear tests -- that's a good thing, but what seems to be lost in the mix here, that by suspending or ending those tests for whatever reason, Kim Jong-un has essentially just agreed to no longer violate international law. The U.N. Security Council has unanimously passed nine rounds of sanctions on North Korea since it's first nuclear test. So, there's been no real concessions here on behalf of the North Korea, and yet, you know, this is constantly talked about as a great achievement. And, yes, sure, it is an achievement, but you know, they haven't really given anything up, they just stopped doing bad stuff.

CARROLL: Well, they haven't even stopped doing bad stuff as the Center for Strategic and International Science report shows they continue to maintain covert rocket facilities. So, that's not exactly being a good guy. What they're doing is basically consolidating the gains they've he made in a nuclear program and their rocket program. They got to a point where they felt comfortable to suppress and stop some of their testing because they felt comfortable that they had enough capability.

And then, they went on the charm offensive with South Korea, with Beijing, and frankly with President Trump, and now they're trying to get as much as they can for nothing in return, exactly as you say. So, this second summit, a big -- you know, a fundamental question is, is it going to be more of the same and Kim Jong-un is going to come out, sort of, 2-0? Or is President Trump and frankly, more to the point, Secretary Pompeo and his team, going to understand that and recognize, we've got to get something concrete and specific and not be fooled again.

VAUSE: Fool me once, shame on me -- shame on you, whatever George W. Bush said. Paul, good to see you, thank you. OK, well, ominous words of warning from the IMF as global leaders gather for the World Economic Forum in Davos. When every nation is out for itself, the whole world could be bound to suffer.

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VAUSE: In Afghanistan, there is still no official world on the death toll from Monday's Taliban attack on a military training. Officials say, dozens were killed when a Humvee packed with explosives blew up after entering the compound west of Kabul. The attackers then opened fire and sources have told us the death toll actually could be more than 100. The government official says, he was told not to talk about it because it could hurt morale. This has all came out as before the Taliban announced it had resumed peace talk with American officials.

The International Monetary Fund warns the global economy is slowing and trade wars could make it worse. The IMF gave its update as leaders and influencers gathered for the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. It also comes amid Brexit fears and the trade dispute between United States and China. Here's how the IMF chairwoman broke things down on Monday.

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[00:40:01] CHRISTINE LAGARDE, MANAGING DIRECTOR, IMF: The risk of a sharper decline in global growth has certainly increased. Add to this the uncertainty, the geo-political worries and disappointing long-term growth prospect and you have an economy picture with a pretty clear message. And the message is the following. For policy makers, address remaining vulnerabilities and be ready if a serious slow down were to materialize.

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VAUSE: Well, the IMF waring isn't the only thing which is indicating a rough at Davos. The major world leaders of no-shows, and there are concerns as well, the very concept of globalization could be on life support. CNN's Julia Chatterly explains.

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JULIA CHATTERLY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: High in the Swiss Alps amid the breathtaking vistas and pristine air, the Davos dream of global connectivity and cooperation, is facing a bumpy ride. Some say, it maybe downhill from here for the Davos elites.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The vision of Davos, which is that everybody is coming together has really been shattered over the last year. There are so many issues facing globalization right now, in fact, it's hard to think of something positive for globalization.

CHATTERLY: And what a year it's been since the last Davos. From anti-elite yellow vest protests in France, to populist winds at the ballot box in Brazil, Mexico and Italy. And strong men consolidating power in countries like Turkey and Hungary. It's not just America first...

TRUMP: Make America great again, right?

CHATTERLY: It's the fear of every nation out for itself everywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In Davos, you're probably going to hear a lot about a tri-polar world. U.S. is going one direction, Europe another, and China and some of the emerging markets are going a third.

CHATTERLY: Let's call it deglobalization. President Trump seems to embrace it. But be careful what you wish for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are two big threats to western-led globalization as we know it. The first is the rise of China with alternative models and political values; the second is the erosion of liberal Democratic institutions from within inside all of these states.

CHATTERLY: But Davos won't be all doom and gloom. Yes, global growth may be slowing, but the U.S. economy is on solid footing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we're actually in a good place.

CHATTERLY: And certain central banks are saying that they'll be patient. The big hope, of course, the possibility of a U.S.-China trade deal coming this year too. And there's going to be the usual discussion about technology, disruption and innovation. After a rough 2018, it could be tough going Davos man and Davos women are simply hoping to stay on their feet. Julia Chatterly, CNN

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