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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you to our international viewers for watching. For you, "CNN TALK" is next. For U.S. viewers, a critical week for the Trump presidency. NEW DAY continues right now.
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[07:00:10] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to want to get to the truth.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's going to be an interesting week.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the charges against him was lying to Senate investigators. I don't know that we believe him this time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are concerns here at the White House that Cohen's testimony could overshadow the president's diplomatic efforts.
MIKE POMPEO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We've got work to do on the denuclearization.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have a special feeling, and I think it's going to lead so something very good.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kim Jong-un, he's prepared. He wants a one-on-one with the president. He doesn't want to give up his nuclear weapons.
LADY GAGA AND BRADLEY COOPER, ACTORS (singing): We're far from the shallow now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the big surprises is Olivia Colman winning for Best Actress.
JULIA ROBERTS, ACTRESS: And the Oscar goes to "Green Book."
PETER FARRELLY, DIRECTOR, "GREEN BOOK": The whole story is about loving each other despite our differences.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Did you stay up late to watch the Oscars? JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Not at all. I went to bed extra early,
because I knew the Oscars were going to be on. Seriously.
CAMEROTA: You have really been anti-Oscars this year.
BERMAN: Because I saw the films that were nominated.
CAMEROTA: Did you see this moment, the moment that's getting so much buzz, the real-life moment between Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper? Watch this.
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LADY GAGA AND COOPER (singing): In the sha-la-la-la-low. In the Sha- ha-hallow, we're far from the shallow now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAMEROTA: Method acting.
BERMAN: I need to take a shower. I need to take a cold shower. That's, like, steamy.
CAMEROTA: OK. It's right there.
BERMAN: I just got pregnant.
CAMEROTA: People thought -- yes, yes, I don't -- I think you might have. That, that was just intense, and people are wondering --
BERMAN: Very intense. Either they are best actors on planet earth --
CAMEROTA: Well, I mean, the problem is it's like a forbidden love. He has a girlfriend, with whom he has a child.
BERMAN: Yes.
CAMEROTA: We're going to get into all of this. Good morning, everyone.
BERMAN: Coworkers have to be careful of steamy --
CAMEROTA: Don't I know it.
BERMAN: It never happens. It never happens between anchors.
CAMEROTA: You're right. Who would believe that?
Welcome to your NEW DAY, everyone.
It is a critical week that could have big implications on the president and the Russia investigation. Starting tomorrow, the president's former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, who is now a convicted felon, who of course, has implicated the president in a crime, he will testify on Capitol Hill. He is set to make three appearances, including one that's getting a lot of attention, because it will be public. That one is on Wednesday.
That same day, the president will sit down for his second high-stakes summit with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. He is expected to leave for Vietnam later today.
BERMAN: All right. New this morning, a bipartisan group of 58 former senior national security officials, they will issue a statement saying there is no factual basis for the president's national emergency declaration to build a wall on the border with Mexico.
This comes as the House will vote tomorrow to block the president's emergency declaration. That measure is expected to pass the House and will put pressure on Senate Republicans.
Also happening now, the legal team for President Trump's former campaign chair, Paul Manafort, must respond to Robert Mueller's sentencing memo.
In that memo, Mueller's team slammed Manafort as a "bold criminal who repeatedly and brazenly broke the law."
Joining us now, Dana Bash, CNN chief political correspondent; Jeffrey Toobin, former federal prosecutor and CNN chief legal analyst; and David Gregory, who is a CNN political analyst.
Dana, I want to start with you. When you look at that week, the way it lays out, this is a major hurdle for President Trump and the Trump president -- I don't want to say make or break, but Michael Cohen testifying in public, telling his story, is something the president has to survive. How is the White House looking at this?
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, in some ways it -- it could be a negative, you -- one would think, for the president to be in Vietnam around this time and certainly this week, having a major event on the world stage.
The other hand is if the president can keep his hand off his Twitter feed and focus there, you could have a potential split screen that might not be the worst thing, even though it will detract, obviously, from what the president is doing on the world stage. At least he is being presidential and doing something, whether or not there's going to be success or not with the North Korean summit. At least he's trying, which is a bipartisan desire for him to do.
Michael Cohen, you know, it's -- there's no question it's going to be must-see TV. It's going to be theater. But he's got some issues on both sides of the aisle with the credibility and other -- and other things. So whether or not there's a real-world impact on Cohen's testimony remains to be seen.
CAMEROTA: Let's look through your legal lens, shall we, Jeffrey?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CHIEF LEGAL ANALYST: Shall we?
CAMEROTA: What are you looking for Michael -- do you -- can Michael Cohen be believed? Obviously, he's lied to Congress in the past, but this time he might tell them who directed him to lie to them in the past, if that, in fact, happened. What are you looking for?
[07:05:02] TOOBIN: I'm looking for corroboration. I'm looking for e- mails, handwritten notes --
BASH: Yes.
TOOBIN: -- tapes, anything he has that corroborates his story.
Because, you know, what he says will certainly be interesting. We'll cover it. But it will not break through the 55 percent of the people who don't like him, 40 percent of the people who like Trump.
I mean, every single issue we think "Oh, this is the big deal," and the polls never change in any significant way.
The only thing that might change the polls is if there is some new corroboration of improper conduct on the part of the president. But I doubt that, frankly. I think we will see the same partisan split both about North Korea and Michael Cohen.
BERMAN: He likes to be in charge, though, the president does, of his own reality show.
TOOBIN: Yes.
BERMAN: And we're going to see an aspect of that when he goes. And that's a very important meeting with Kim Jong-un over the weekend. He has control over that to a certain extent, David, but he doesn't have control over Michael Cohen. And he doesn't have control over what this man -- and look, he's erratic; he's obviously said a lot of different things, but there will be drama there. And it's out of the president's hands.
DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, and the drama is Michael Cohen in person, as Jeffrey says, getting beaten up by both sides. But there in person, talking about the ways in which he claims the president of the United States directed him to lie, to make deals, to pay off women with whom the president was involved.
All of these details that we have read about and heard about now to see Michael Cohen laying these things out, potentially, with corroboration does two things. It adds drama in the moment, and it also is a kind of precursor to what Democrats hope to do with the Mueller report when -- and how it finally becomes available, how they intend to exercise their authority on the Hill.
But the part of the reality show that's not a reality show is the president on the world stage, as Dana says. And there's two things. It's not just a summit with North Korea, which may or may not bear fruit.
But as the president says, if he can keep the North from testing nuclear weapons that, in and of itself, is a success. But it's also what the president is doing with regard to China, holding off on more tariffs. I expect the markets to react favorably today. And these are big stories, what's happening in Asia and what the
president is ushering in. He's got a lot of support for this and his -- his position toward China. These are very big issues about the future of our economy that are going to have a lot to do with 2020.
CAMEROTA: Dana, the president likes a big reveal, OK. We know that. I mean, he likes TV. He likes the surprise of TV, and the theater of it and the big reveal on "The Apprentice," and, so, Michael Cohen on that split screen, for a big reveal, would have to reveal something new. He would have to produce something new. We've chewed on so much of this already of what he's said.
BASH: Right.
CAMEROTA: That he would have to reveal something new. And the president, to eclipse that, would need a big reveal of some kind with Kim Jong-un, possibly, you know, saying -- declaring the war officially over. I mean, who knows what he has in his back pocket?
BASH: I mean, I heard Will Ripley suggesting that that is a possibility, which would be absolutely huge, to say the least, if that would happen after all those decades.
The other, just to kind of keep on the TV star metaphor, the North Korea summit isn't the greatest time slot either for the president because of the time difference between the East Coast and America in general and -- and Vietnam.
So he's going to have to really, you know, sort of step it up, despite the fact that inherently, as we've been saying, there is incredible importance. I mean, because it's happened once, we're sort of, you know, not shoulder shrugging but saying, "OK, you know, great, another summit with North Korea." But it is a very big deal for the U.S. president to be meeting not once but twice with a dictator from North Korea.
TOOBIN: Can I ask a question? And like, out of honest ignorance. The war has been over for 60 years in Korea. Why is it such a big deal to have a formal end of it? I know there's never been --
CAMEROTA: Because it's U.S. troops. Which means U.S. troops, deployment in South Korea.
TOOBIN: That we would -- well, is that -- that's a different issue whether we remove the troops. The declaration that the war is over, does that necessarily mean that --
BASH: Yes.
TOOBIN: -- the troops would go?
BASH: No, not necessarily.
TOOBIN: See that's --
CAMEROTA: Not necessarily, but just having -- having -- I'm sure you have, too, and I know David has, having been to South Korea, been to the DMZ, the notion that these two sides of the Korean Peninsula are still at war is a really big deal there, technically.
Whether or not the troops leave or not is another question. But it is a very, very big deal there and regionally. And it would be huge after all these years to at least be able to tie that up.
GREGORY: Plus, the North still believes that the U.S. wants to take over the North, and that's what the Chinese are still afraid of.
BASH: Yes.
GREGORY: And -- and that's one of the big points about a formal end to the war.
[07:10:03] TOOBIN: On Friday back to Michael Cohen, who we're going to hear from again, and he testifies behind closed doors tomorrow, then publicly the next day, then behind closed doors. Again, this is how the president addressed this issue the other day.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any concerns about Michael Cohen's testimony before Congress this week?
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No, no, no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, are you still considering --
TRUMP: Lawyer/client, but you know, he's taking his own chances.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BERMAN: Jeffrey, you've been critical before of how members of Congress do questioning, that they aren't as good at it as trained lawyers.
TOOBIN: Correct.
BERMAN: In had the past committees have had counsel do it. If you're going to have a series of questions to Michael Cohen, direct questions, what would the first two or three be?
TOOBIN: Well, the first question I would have would be before we even got in the courtroom -- the committee room, because the key to a good examination is preparation. It's not just like asking a tough question. It's going through with him, "What documents do you have? What corroboration do you have?" And then using that in the questioning.
For example, obviously, the issue of the payments to Karen McDougal and to Stormy Daniels. Are there any documents that show the president, then-candidate Trump authorized these payments? Are there e-mails? I know he doesn't e-mail personally, but are there handwritten notes? Are there tapes? Use those.
That's what would be a successful examination. It's not, you know, being aggressive and being obnoxious. It's preparation and facts.
CAMEROTA: You know, David Gregory, when I hear the president say, "Well, Michael Cohen's taking his own chances," you know, some people could hear that as another veiled threat. I mean, Michael Cohen, I suppose, could hear that has as another veiled threat, because one of the things he's expected to testify to are the efforts that President Trump and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, have taken to intimidate, he says, him and his family.
And he says that he wants to talk about that, #truth, he has said. So I don't know. I thought that was a curious thing for the president to insert there.
GREGORY: Right. But I still think we want to hear more about what those threats were. Is there anything that we don't know about this?
You know, the problem with this, this gets into the political domain when you're on Capitol Hill and you're testifying it's not a court of law. So he's trying to make a case against the president. And this has all been in the public domain.
And there's been a lot of pushback on Michael Cohen, and Republicans will bring up his own credibility issues. The president making a reference to it there. This is his former lawyer who's now testifying against him. And so he's going to get blooded from both sides here. But on that threat question, I agree with you. That will be a dramatic moment where he talks in more detail about why it is he felt threatened.
TOOBIN: But as usual with the president, he's done it in public.
BASH: Exactly.
TOOBIN: So we act like -- you know, it's somehow discounted.
Remember, you know, he's talking about why aren't they investigating his father-in-law? I mean, this is the president of the United States, who is the head of the Justice Department saying that someone's father-in-law should be investigated.
I mean, it is so outrageous. It is so wrong. It is so counter to every norm and perhaps law. But he's done it in public, so we sort of, you know, don't pay him as much attention to it.
BERMAN: Fascinating strategy.
CAMEROTA: It's become typical.
TOOBIN: But that's how it works.
CAMEROTA: Jeffrey, David, Dana, thank you all very much.
BASH: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: All right. There were big surprises at the Oscars last night. "Green Book" took Hollywood's biggest prize. But that is not the only thing that has everyone buzzing.
CNN's Stephanie Elam stayed up late to bring us all of the buzz this morning -- Stephanie.
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.
And yes, that's right. For the first time since 1989, there was no one to host the Oscars, but the show still went on.
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ROBERTS: And the Oscar goes to "Green Book."
ELAM (voice-over): "Green Book's" Best Picture win capping a historic night at the Academy Awards. A record 15 women winning Hollywood's top honor, and more than a dozen people of color earning golden statues, including Alfonso Cuaron, who won Best Director for "Roma." The film won Best Foreign Language Film and Best Cinematography.
Spike Lee winning his first competitive Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for "BlacKkKlansman." He thanked his grandmother before turning to politics.
SPIKE LEE, ACADEMY AWARD WINNER, BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY: Make the moral choice between love versus hate. Let's do the right thing.
ELAM: Plenty of diversity in the acting categories. Regina King and Mahershala Ali winning best supporting acting awards. And Rami Malek winning Best Actor for his portrayal of Queen front man, Freddie Mercury, in "Bohemian Rhapsody."
RAMI MALEK, ACADEMY AWARD WINNER, BEST ACTOR: We made a film about a gay man, an immigrant, who lived his life just unapologetically himself. And the fact that I'm celebrating him and this story with you tonight is -- is proof that we're longing for -- for stories like this.
ELAM: Perhaps the biggest upset of the night, acting legend Glenn Close losing to Olivia Colman, who won Best Actress for her performance in "The Favourite."
OLIVIA COLMAN, ACADEMY AWARD WINNER, BEST ACTRESS: Any little girl who's practicing their speech on the tele, you never know.
ELAM: The night beginning with a high-octane performance by Queen and Adam Lambert.
QUEEN FEATURING ADAM LAMBERT (singing): We will, we will rock you.
ELAM: The band kicking off the first host-less Oscars since 1989.
(MUSIC: "SHALLOW" from "A STAR IS BORN")
ELAM: And this passionate performance by Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. The superstar duo from "A Star is Born" singing "Shallow," which earned Lady Gaga her first Academy Award for Best Original Song. LADY GAGA, ACADEMY AWARD WINNER, BEST ORIGINAL SONG: It's not about
winning, but what it's about is not giving up. If you have a dream, fight for it.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ELAM: And that was the moment everybody was waiting for, that duo to perform.
But back to Spike Lee for a moment there, because he always keeps it political. And at the end of his speech did he talk about politics and about how people need to get out and vote. Well, apparently the president saw that, and he actually came out with a tweet that just came out right now; and he said that Spike was doing a "racist hit on your president." That's a quote there.
So a lot going on in the world. But, you know, they say people aren't watching the Oscars. Clearly, lots of people are.
BERMAN: He's got a big meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, but the president finding time to watch the Oscars last night. So it was good.
CAMEROTA: It was great, but I mean, I just can't -- I just want to know what the next act for the Lady Gaga/Bradley Cooper thing is.
BERMAN: Well, the cameras got all steamed up here. We had to wipe off the lens, it was so steamy after that.
ELAM: You should have heard people talking about it. I was right outside. Everyone was going crazy about it. I mean, everybody -- just even the way it was shot was different from the rest of the show.
This was probably the best produced segment of the show, and everyone was there for it.
CAMEROTA: Right.
ELAM: Or confused by it, or wanted them to date and go off and get married right after.
CAMEROTA: Well, that's what I'm wondering, because the movie's over. OK?
BERMAN: Are you sure?
CAMEROTA: They are actors.
ELAM: They're actors. They're acting.
CAMEROTA: They are actors. But they don't need to still be acting. They didn't win the Oscar. I mean, they won for the song.
ELAM: They were at the Oscars, though, which is about acting. They're just acting really well as actors.
CAMEROTA: OK, OK. So that's your theory. I like it.
ELAM: Yes.
CAMEROTA: We have another person we'd like to poll.
BERMAN: Dana Bash.
CAMEROTA: Dana Bash, are they acting or has -- is something actually happening?
BASH: Hold on. Hold on just a second. I just need to cool off for a second.
That is not acting, folks, OK? That is not acting. That is chemistry with a capital --
CAMEROTA: "K."
BERMAN: "K," yes. Hey, I was in a room watching this with about a dozen of my good friends, adult women, screeching, because we could not believe and sort of take in how incredibly hot this was.
One of my friends said that is probably the sexist thing that's ever happened on earth, ever in the world. And I don't think that was an understatement.
CAMEROTA: All right. Well, here's -- here's the real question. I really do think this is the real question. Is what happens today. The Oscars are over. The movie's over, in the can.
BERMAN: You're sure?
CAMEROTA: They have won the awards or not. Today what happens? They don't need to act any more. So now do they just, like, high five each other and go back to their lives? I'm going to be watching very closely.
ELAM: But come on. You know that the first time any one of them does an interview, the first question's going to be, like, "So, Bradley, what'd your girlfriend think of that?" Like, there's no way they're going to be --
BASH: Why didn't we get the cutaways?
ELAM: -- able to avoid this.
BASH: Why didn't we get the cutaway?
CAMEROTA: Thank you.
ELAM: Everybody wanted the cutaway and to see her. Yes, that's true. I mean, I agree with you on that. Everyone was thinking the same thought. And I think -- I think she just broke up with her fiance, so --
CAMEROTA: She did. She did. That is also adding to the intrigue. BERMAN: Dana, while we have you here --
BASH: Yes.
BERMAN: Can we ask you about this issue that Stephanie brought up, for the intersection of politics in the Oscars last night, the president deciding to respond to Spike Lee. You know, Spike Lee, what he said, is he brought up the election and he said, "Do the right thing." The president called his statement racist.
BASH: Listen, the president has a long history of tweeting about the Oscars way before he was in politics. It is interesting that he decided to do so, as you mentioned, on -- on the morning of the beginning of a very big week where he's about to get on a plane and go -- and go to Vietnam for a very important summit.
But Spike Lee and the rest of the Oscars, they have -- in recent years been even more political than this. And I don't think you should expect anything different from somebody like Spike Lee on the issue of truth or the issue of the president, however overt or not it was.
BERMAN: I'll tell you when we really have gone full circle or completely to the upside-down is when the president tweets on the Bradley Cooper/Lady Gaga moment.
[06:20:05] BASH: Yes. It's going to happen.
CAMEROTA: It's going to happen.
ELAM: I think they were both being true to form. The president and Spike Lee.
CAMEROTA: Good point.
BASH: Well said.
CAMEROTA: All right. Dana, Stephanie, thank you very much.
BERMAN: All right. We do have big news in the world of diplomacy. This is CNN Business now.
President Trump says he will postpone a new round of tariffs on Chinese goods as trade negotiations continue. Our chief business correspondent, Christine Romans, with the details on that -- Romans.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, guys.
Look, this not as sexy as the Oscars, but it's very important for anybody who's trading in global markets. That deadline for that trade war was March 1. The president delayed jacking up tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese goods.
The president said over the weekend there has been significant progress in trade talks with China. President Trump later told governors of the White House he hopes to achieve the largest trade deal ever made. The president also teased a summit with Chinese President Xi at Mar-a-
Lago if more progress is made.
Now, similar optimism from China's top diplomat this morning, who said concrete progress has been made.
Chinese stocks soared, almost 6 percent in Shanghai; and it spread to Europe and here to the U.S., as well. Stock index futures, you can see there. Looks like you can see more than 26,000, the level on the Dow at the opening bell if it holds.
The president did not specify a new deadline for raising tariffs when any meeting with President Xi will happen, did not specify that either.
In recent weeks the Chinese signaled a willingness to buy U.S. agriculture and energy imports. That's all a good sign. But you guys, the real question is will the Chinese keep to their promises whatever deal is made? Negotiators have complained about that in the past.
And will it be structural changes to how the Chinese do business? That's what the U.S. wants. That's what China's been resistant to.
CAMEROTA: All right. Come back to us when you have all those answers.
ROMANS: I will.
CAMEROTA: Thank you very much, Christine.
So what will come of President Trump's second summit with North Korea's dictator this week? We discuss the growing international concern about it next.
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[07:26:38] CAMEROTA: President Trump again touting his relationship with Kim Jong-un as he heads to Vietnam today for a second summit with the North Korean dictator.
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TRUMP: We see eye to eye, I believe, but you'll be seeing it more and more over the next couple of days, one way or another. What's going to happen? I can't tell you. I think eventually it would, but I can't tell you. And I'm not in a rush. I don't want to rush anybody. I just don't want testing. As long as there's no testing, we're happy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CAMEROTA: All right. Let's bring in CNN global affairs analysts Susan Glasser and Max Boot to talk about all of this.
Susan, that was a bit of a toned-down comment on Kim Jong-un from the president, because in the past he has said that they've exchanged these beautiful letters, love letters, I mean, basically is what he said because, quote, "We fell in love," is what the president has said about Kim Jong-un.
So is this visit, just for lack of a better word, a romantic visit or should we expect some real progress out of this?
SUSAN GLASSER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, he did mention last night that they still have a very, very good relationship. So is that equal to love still? I don't know.
You know, he's trying to calibrate expectations. But you know, essentially, we're still dealing in this second extraordinary one-on- one summit between President Trump and Chairman Kim. We're dealing with this situation where the president has already declared victory and then forced everyone, for the better part of a year, to try to fill in what that victory means; and they have not succeeded.
And so you have this extraordinary spectacle, like the secretary of state yesterday on CNN bobbing and weaving when confronted with President Trump's own words. He came out of the Singapore summit and said there is no more nuclear threat from North Korea. Well, of course, that's not the case.
Many months later, essentially, we're back at the drawing table. What I'm struck by is, No. 1, the personalization of diplomacy. The president has succeeded in one notable way, which is to make himself the only real negotiator who counts in this situation.
The North Koreans, essentially, have bought for time in order to get this meeting again with the president. And now the concern, even among his top advisers, according to very reliable reports, even among the top advisers to the president, the concern is what kind of concessions he might be willing to trade to Chairman Kim in order to come out and proclaim victory again.
CAMEROTA: Yes, so let's talk about that, Max, because what real progress was made after the last one? I mean, the president said -- you heard him there -- "All I want is no testing. All I want is no testing."
Well, national security experts want more than that. And I mean, as you know, DNI Coats testified to Congress, "We continue to observe activity inconsistent with full denuclearization." That used to be the stated -- the stated goal.
MAX BOOT, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Right.
CAMEROTA: "North Korea retains its weapons of mass destruction capabilities. The intelligence community continues to assess that it is unlikely to give up its stockpiles, its delivery systems, its production capabilities.
BOOT: Right, and certainly, the lack of nuclear missile test is an achievement, but remember, that achievement preceded the Singapore summit. It was not a consequence of the Singapore summit. I think what you're seeing now with the Trump administration is
massive moving of the goal post. Before Singapore, they were saying, "We want complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization of North Korea."
And now President Trump is basically saying, "Well, as long as they're not testing, that's all we really care about." But in fact, we know from what the intelligence community has concluded that in the past -- that since Singapore, North Korea has actually been expanding their nuclear and missile programs. So the threat from North Korea continues to grow worse.
