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28-Year-Old With Murder In Connection With Mosque Massacre; New Data Shows Ethiopia, Lion Air Crashes May Share Link; Pilot Battled Automated System Before Ethiopia Crash; Trump Vetoes Attempt To Block Border National; Emergency; Why Didn't Facebook Catch The Livestream Of The Mosque Massacre?; Why Everyone's Talking About Beto O'Rourke's Arms. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired March 16, 2019 - 07:00   ET


[07:00:00] VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Started to becoming hostile, and assaulted them. Police say between 60 and 70 teenagers were involved. Nine of those teenagers were arrested for various charges including assault and resisting arrest.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 49 people lay dead as New Zealand's prime minister addressed the gunman directly.

JACINDA ARDERN, PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND: You may have chosen us, but we utterly reject and condemn you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a very, very eerie and unfortunate word echoed, used the same words to talk about brown people.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're on track for a million illegal aliens to rush our borders. People hate the word invasion, but that's what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you see today the white nationalist as a rising threat around the world?

TRUMP: I don't really. I think there's a small group of people that have very, very serious problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's been dog whistling to white supremacists since his campaign began.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Work here has begun to inspect the so-called black boxes that would give investigators a far better insight as to what happened to the pilots on board Ethiopian Airlines flight 302, as well as, of course, what was happening with the plane itself.


ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.

BLACKWELL: Good morning to you. In the past hour, we've learned that the prime minister of New Zealand, her office, received a manifesto from the man accused of mass murder at two mosques just minutes before he alleged carried out that attack. 28-year-old, Brenton Harrison Tarrant, has been charged with murder in the killing of at least 49 people. His face is being blurred here in this video, at the request of the Christchurch Court where he appeared today.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Harrison appeared to flash a symbol of hate with his hand as he entered the court, in fact. Meanwhile, two other suspects are being held. Survivors of this horrific attack had been describing now what they saw.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard the firing, and it was from the main entrance, the main entrance of the building. And then everybody just run towards the back doors just to save themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could hear screaming and crying. And I saw some people were, you know, drop dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All my friends, lying down in a pool of blood. One was shot on his head, the other one on his shoulders.

MATTHEW MCKEW, EYEWITNESS: And I smashed the window, just jumping, and the people waiting outside (INAUDIBLE), they say what's going on? I say just run away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I drove past the mosque and there were a lot of bodies outside. So, we've just been rushing here since the -- just to see if our son has arrived, but he's not answering his phone.


PAUL: Oh my gosh, these poor people. CNN's Alex Field has the latest on the investigation.


ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: One of New Zealand's darkest days. The country still struggling to grasp Friday's mass shooting. The worst in its history.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't think something like this could happen in New Zealand. While in Christchurch of all places; we're such a small community. We're so kind and loving. So, I just don't understand why someone would hurt us like this in such a way.

FIELD: 49 killed, dozens more injured in a brutal and carefully planned terrorist attack, targeting worshippers attending prayer services at al-Noor and Linwood Mosques in Christchurch. Police say, the suspected terrorist, a 28-year-old white Australian man opened fired shortly before 02:00 in the afternoon, just as Friday prayers were starting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We heard the firing, and it was from the main entrance, the main entrance of the building. And then everybody just run towards the back doors just to save themselves. MCKEW: And I smashed the window, just jumping, and the people waiting

outside as I run away from the mosque. They say what's going on? I said just run away. And just -- keep firing inside, (INAUDIBLE) run away.

FIELD: The community mourned on Saturday while the suspected killer named by police as Brenton Harrison Tarrant appeared in court where her remained silent as he was charged with murder, and remanded in custody until his next court appearance in April. New Zealand's Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, address the suspected terrorist directly.

ARDERN: You may have chosen us, but we utterly reject and condemn you.

FIELD: According to police, the accused killer posted an 87-page manifesto online just before the attack unfolded, filled with anti- immigrant --


PAUL: OK. We apologize. Something went wrong with the end of that story there. But we're going to bring you all of the information, of course, as we get it. And you might be wondering how you can help the victims of the New Zealand terror attacks. We want to help you do that. There's more information that you can get if you go to

President Trump offered his condolences to the people of New Zealand. When asked about the terror attack during an event at the oval office, the president had this to say, listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you see today the white nationalist, a rising threat around the world?

[07:05:00] TRUMP: I don't really, I think that's a small group of people that have very, very serious problem. I guess, if you look at what happened in New Zealand, perhaps that's the case. I don't know enough about it yet, they're just learning about the person and the people involved. But it's certainly a terrible a terrible thing.


PAUL: Meanwhile, an Australian senator blamed the massacre on New Zealand's immigration policy, saying the policy "allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place." Wesley Lowery, with us now, CNN Contributor and National Reporter for the Washington Post. Wesley, so good to have you with us. What do you feel we needed to hear from President Trump, and did you hear it?

WESLEY LOWERY, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: No is the answer. I think that in a moment like, right, where we have seen rising right-wing white supremacist violence -- here in the United States, some colleagues and I did a piece on this last year, and basically every study that has been done of this has shown that in recent years since the election of Barack Obama and certainly since the election of Donald Trump, we have seen a rise in right-wing white supremacist terror.

Meanwhile, these forces have been kind of convalescing around the world in different countries. It's clear that there are -- these are getting strength, right? That this is something that has been getting worse. And what would have been ideal for the leader of the free world, for the president of the United States, would be to unequivocally, not only condemn this type of violence, but, perhaps, to be introspective and think about how, perhaps, some of his own rhetoric has contributed to this environment. Now, I think it's -- you know, you always have to be careful because you don't want to necessarily implicate the president directly, right?

PAUL: Right.

LOWERY: But that said, what we do know is that from the bully pulpit of the presidency, we have seen a lot of racially insensitive rhetoric. We've seen a lot of demonization of Muslims, as well as immigrants. And we know that to people out there who have these deep prejudices, and who may be inclined to commit an act of terror like this. It only serves to legitimize their views to hear someone like the president of the United States, say for example, that they're going to keep Muslims out of the country, or using language about invasions of immigrants, right?

And so, I do think that our political rhetoric of these last few years hasn't only tamponed up the danger for a lot of folks, and that's something that, you know, when we all woke up and saw these reports from New Zealand, they were just absolutely heartbreaking for our Muslim brothers and sisters, and for ourselves, for people no matter who they are, whether they're be black in America, whether they be Jewish in America, immigrants, folks who understand what it might be like to wake up and worry about if someone might try to come at them because of they are or the color of their skin or the god they worship.

PAUL: Yes. I want to give some clarity to something you just mentioned there regarding what is happening in this world at the end of the day. A newly released report from the anti-defamation league shows white supremacists increased their propaganda efforts by 182 percent in 2018. And the number of racist demonstrations and rallies increased 91 public events compared to 76 in 2017. So, with that said, and what you mentioned about the president -- you know, there was no real strong forceful denouncement from the president regarding this man who is clearly a white supremacist. Is there a belief that the president does not take a stronger tone, because those people essentially make up his base?

LOWERY: Yes, I think there are certainly people who believe that. I think that there's -- you know, I think you could be more generous to the president and say, perhaps, if he's truly ignorant, that he does not believe that this as serious of a threat as it is. Frankly, the white terrorism, white supremacist and white domestic terrorists has been something that black and brown Americans and commentators and reporters have talked about for years, and there's been a real difficulty getting a lot of people to take it seriously. Unfortunately, when just a minority group is the type of people being

threatened, very often, our white majority doesn't take it as seriously as they should. And so, I hear comments like that from President Trump, and you can look at them through a political lens where it's unquestionable that many of these groups have seen some of their rhetoric being mirrored by the president and have been encouraged by that. They like things about the comments about good people on both sides of Charlottesville.

But even if you want to give the president the benefit of the doubt, what I do think is true, is that many Americans, the president included, underestimate the threat of these white supremacist terrorists. In part, if only because those people aren't necessarily a threat to them and, rather, they're a threat to some or the rest of us.

PAUL: All right. Wesley Lowery, always appreciate your soft thoughts, sir.

LOWER: Thanks for having me.

[07:10:01] PAUL: Thank you so much. There is evidence this morning as well that the pilots in two crashes -- plane crashes may have been battling an automated system. We're going to talk to a pilot about how that happens and see what he says about this new report from the New York Times this morning, regarding a link between last weekend's crash in Ethiopia and an earlier crash with the same model jet in Indonesia.

BLACKWELL: Plus, President Trump doubling down on his promise to build a wall: he vetoed Congress' rejection of his national emergency order to get funds for the border wall. What could be the legal implications of this move? That's ahead. Also, Presidential Candidate and former Congressman Beto O'Rourke issued a few apologies in a recent podcast, including one to his wife.


BETO O'ROURKE, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's constructive criticism. It has already made me a better candidate, and not only will I not say that again, but I'll be much more thoughtful going forward.



[07:15:07] BLACKWELL: Investigators at the Ethiopian Airlines crash site have found new evidence that links that crash to an earlier one with the same jet.

PAUL: According to the New York Times, a piece of that Boeing 737 that they found, shows pilots may have been battling an automated system in the minutes prior to the crash. That information coming from two sources with knowledge of recovery operations. Now, they say the evidence shows the jet's stabilizer may have been tilted upwards which could have forced the nose down, and that means the pilots may have been fighting the plane just to try to keep it from diving.

BLACKWELL: All right. Joining us now, Scott Miller, former Pilot at Northwest Airlines and now Professor of Aeronautics at Sacramento City College. Scott, good to have you and your expertise with us this morning. First here, the FAA released what's called an air worthiness directive back in early November after the Lion Air crash, again that's with the same style of jet, same model. It warned of faulty sensors that could make it hard for the pilots to control the airplane. The CEO of Ethiopian Airlines says, his pilots were briefed on the directive; should that have been enough for Boeing Max 8 pilots to know what to do if they encountered this problem?

SCOTT MILLER, FORMER PILOT, NORTHWEST AIRLINES (via Skype): Well, it should have been. The system that we're talking about, the MCAS System takes its data from two sensors in the front of the airplane. But if there's a problem and it's starting to operate when it shouldn't, there's a couple switches in the cockpit, that if disconnected completely removes power from that stabilizer trim system. And that's what that A.D. -- Airworthiness Directive -- pilots to do should they encounter that situation.

PAUL: So, let me ask you, if you were still flying, and you are walking in the cockpit of this plane, would you be comfortable piloting it?

MILLER: I actually would be. Again, the -- there's a number of situations, other than just what the MCAS could do that would cause the stabilizer to not perhaps not actuate when the pilots wanted to. And having adequate knowledge of the systems and knowing how the airplane works should be enough to be able to keep the aircraft flight path, where you needed it, should something unfortunate happen.

BLACKWELL: So, this automated system, the MCAS, that could have pushed the nose down in the Lion Air crash and in this Ethiopian Airlines crash, it triggered a single sensor and if that sensor malfunctions, that's when the problems starts. How common is it for such a crucial system to rely upon just a single sensor without any redundancies?

MILLER: Well, that's what's one thing that's going to be needed to looked at pretty closely. Air transport aircraft that are used by the airlines are designed with what we call "no single point failure." In other words, there shouldn't be one single area that could fail that could lead to a catastrophic incident. And that's one thing I'm sure Boeing is taking a look at, as well as the FAA to see if, perhaps, that was the case. And if that was the case, some fixes and some redesign will be put into place to ensure there's adequate redundancy in this particular system.

PAUL: Is there any reason that the stabilizers would have been tilted upwards?

MILLER: Well, possibly, and that's what the flight data recorder will show us. Of course, in the Ethiopian accident, as unfortunate as it was, we still haven't had any -- even preliminary data released from the flight data recorder. There could have been a wind shear event, there could have been any number of things that would have caused that stabilizer to move, and the flight data recorder data will show that as soon as we're able to get it analyzed.

PAUL: OK. And lastly, the FAA says they expect the software fix to be incorporated "no later than April," this was in the New York Times this morning. So, I'm wondering, should these planes, in your opinion, be flying now before that software fix is completed?

MILLER: Well, that software fix was -- the initial run of that software fix was put in place or they were -- Boeing was working on it even before the Lion Air accident. Once the Lion Air accident occurred, it's kind of accelerated work. Unfortunately, the government shutdown slowed the certification process of that. When they're starting to be from some initial satellite data trapped from the Ethiopian accident, it appeared that there may be some similarities between the two. I think using an abundance of safety and abundance of precaution was proved in this case, until we got more information. And it appears that the software fix may very well make a safe plane even safer.

BLACKWELL: All right, Scott Miller, so much still to learn about these two crashes and what linked them, and to fix that's coming. But the FAA grounded those planes, and I guess, they'll be on the ground until that software update comes. Thanks so much.

MILLER: Thank you.

PAUL: Well, President Trump promised a veto if Congress block his national declaration -- emergency declaration to build a wall. He kept his word. And in a sharp rebuke to Congress signed the veto saying this...


[07:20:12] TRUMP: I have the duty to veto it. And I'm very proud to veto it.



PAUL: Glad to have you here. I'm Christy Paul.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. President Trump will not take no for an answer on the border wall after Congress blocked his national emergency declaration to get funds for border barrier between the U.S. and Mexico. He vetoed the order and it's his first veto since becoming president. But Congress, they're not done yet either. Speaker Nancy Pelosi says, the House will vote to overturn the president's veto on March 26th. CNN's Sarah Westwood is live from the White House. Sarah, we know that the, likely, that Congress won't have enough votes for the veto. So, is Speaker Pelosi explaining the reason for this vote later this month?

[07:25:05] SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Victor and Christi. And yes, you're right, because just 13 House Republicans broke with the White House and voted in favor of blocking the president's use of a national emergency, that attempt to override the president's veto is unlikely to move forward. But Speaker Pelosi is calling the president's veto, a defiance, of the will of Congress and of the constitution, that upcoming attempt to cancel the president's veto, that will just underscore the tensions between the White House and Congress when it comes to executive power.

Now, Trump had tried to frame the vote in the Senate this week is one focused primarily on border security, but obviously, Democrats and some Republicans viewed it as a vote on the constitutionality of the president's efforts to circumvent Congress and get money for his border wall. Yesterday, in the oval office, Trump continued to argue that there is, in fact, an emergency on the southern border, and he defended his decision to veto that resolution of disapproval. Take a listen.


TRUMP: It is definitely a national emergency. Rarely have we had such a national emergency. Therefore, to defend the safety and security of all Americans, I will be signing and issuing a formal veto of this reckless resolution, and that's what it was. And I have to, in particular, thank the Republicans strong, wonderful people, the Republican senators that were on our side, and on the side of border security and on the side of doing what they have to, to keep our nation safe.


WESTWOOD: Now, White House officials have pressured House and Senate Republicans not to vote in favor of that resolution of disapproval. They did expect it to pass both the House and the Senate. But they wanted to keep that margin of Victory as low as possible to avoid an embarrassment. But still the fact that, that resolution did pass with some Republicans' support is a major rebuke of the president's emergency declaration. But it does appear at the moment, Victor and Christi, that the president's veto will be able to withstand any attempts from Congress to override that veto.

PAUL: All right, good to know. Sarah Westwood, thank you.

BLACKWELL: All right, joining me now to talk about the legal case ahead: Page Pate, Federal and Constitutional Attorney and also a Criminal Defense Attorney. Good to have you back with us.


BLACKWELL: So, let's start here. There are now seven case, seven challenges to the president's national emergency declaration. 20 states have filed a suit that they say that this redirection of federal dollars causes significant harms to the states, the residents as well. What's the strength of that case, that argument?

PATE: Well, that may not be the strongest case. Because the state's interest in how Congress spends money, it's kind of vague, it's not very clear-cut, but some of these other lawsuits, I think, raise very important constitutional issues and these individuals, some are property owners, some are environmental groups, they can claim a very specific harm by the building of this wall. So, I really think in combination, all of these lawsuits together present a very formidable legal challenge to what the president is trying to do.

BLACKWELL: Let's expound two of those you just mentioned, Alvarez v. Trump, based on land rights, some residents in Starr County, Texas, could lose their land, some have had it in their family for three generations. The case of imminent domain, which interestingly, Republicans typically are against supporting individual land rights. They're suing on the basis of wanting to keep their land that they would have to give up to build this wall, the viability of their case.

PATE: I think it's a good case. But there's a way for the court to deal with that issue and side step the constitutional issue. Because the court could say, look, these individuals, they need to have their property rights protected, so don't build the wall here. Build it five miles to the east or five miles to the south. And so, if a court wants to avoid answering a real constitutional question in those cases, it could probably do that, and then just award money to the property owners to compensate them for the building of the wall.

BLACKWELL: The Center for Biological Diversity, they claim harm to the environment, about those cases. Typically, are they strong enough that they would stop potentially the building of the wall?

PATE: It all depends on what the judges want to do. Because each one of these seven lawsuits present the same constitutional challenge. And they say, basically, Congress gets to write the laws, Congress gets to appropriate money and decide where it's going to be spent. The president cannot do that. With one exception, and that's when there's a true national emergency.

So, if a judge in any one of these seven lawsuits wants to step up and say: I find that this act is unconstitutional, because, one, there is no national emergency; and two, even if there was, the president is not going about it in the right way. Then, the judge will ignore all of these property rights issues and all of the environmental impacts because they'll try to get to the heart of the case and that's the constitutional issue.

[07:29:59] BLACKWELL: Let's talk about this bipartisan resolution that the president vetoed yesterday. Republicans and Democrats, both in the House and Senate, telling the president "no" mostly on protecting the territory, I'd say of Congress and appropriating funds. Ted Lieu -- Congressman Ted Lieu, says that, that will have some impact on the legal cases moving forward. Here's what he had to say.


REP. TED LIEU (D-CA), HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: What's significant is not the veto. What's significant is that both houses of Congress, with clear bipartisan majorities, rebuked Donald Trump. That's going to help us in our court case because there's no way that Congress would have intended a law to be interpreted in such a way that we would have allowed the president to bypass our appropriations powers when both houses of Congress just said no to him.


BLACKWELL: Important point?

PATE: Yes, I mean, he's right. Presidents have used the National Emergencies Act before. I mean they've had situations where there's been an emergency, we don't have time to go to Congress, it's a military situation, we need money for military construction.

In this case, it's very unusual. In fact, I think it's the first time we've ever seen this. The president is basically declaring an emergency to get around Congress. Congress has already said, "We're not going to fund your border wall, we're going to give you some money in an appropriations bill that the president signed.

And now, we're going to tell you a second time that this is not an emergency and you cannot use money, we have not appropriated to build your wall. So, I think, every time Congress speaks, it sends a message to the courts that the president is acting outside of his constitutional authority.

BLACKWELL: The Attorney General in California Xavier Becerra, says that how the strongest point they have is when the president said that I didn't need to do this, I just wanted to do it faster. How will that play into the court cases? Is that it's crucial as some believe it is?

PATE: I think it can be. I mean, the court first has to get to the question of, "Is this a national emergency?" And there are so many problems, I think with this particular declaration that you can almost find good evidence anywhere, in this case, to not support what the president is doing.

But it's very similar to the travel ban. I mean, the president's comments at that time when the first travel ban was enacted or written by executive order did not support the emergency. Just like his comments now don't support the emergency.

I don't think there's any question why he's doing this. He wants his wall. Congress won't give it to him, so he's going to try to do an end run around Congress. The problem is that violates the Constitution.

BLACKWELL: All right, Page Pate, thanks so much. Of course, the fight is not over. We'll be having these conversations probably for months or years down the road.

PATE: Thank you, Victor.


PAUL: All right, thank you. Now, still to come. Facebook, social media outlet, of course, calls itself a policing platform. The thing is it didn't catch the livestream of the terrorist attack in New Zealand. This was a live stream that went on for 17 minutes. How was it missed? We're going to talk about that.


[07:37:08] PAUL: Think about this. For almost 17 minutes, a suspected terrorist livestreamed the video of mass murder on Facebook. And the first time the company knew anything about it was through New Zealand police.

BLACKWELL: Now, over the past two years, Facebook hired thousands of content moderators, and use artificial intelligence to identify terrorist propaganda, violence, and graphic content, as they call it. But somehow, this video still managed to slip through the cracks. Here with us to discuss, our CNN politics and technology reporter Donie O'Sullivan.

Donie, welcome back. Let's start here with 17 minutes. That is a long time. Does Facebook explain why they didn't catch this, this livestream?

DONIE O'SULLIVAN, CNN POLITICS AND TECHNOLOGY REPORTER: In sure is no, they haven't told us anything really. All we've -- the all we've been told is that it was the police that brought it to their attention. And if you keep in mind that since 2016, since the presidential election when there was disinformation and sort of all sort of meddling going on, on Facebook, Facebook has been under intense scrutiny from Congress, from the media, and from federal investigators.

So, Mark Zuckerberg told Congress last April that they were investing millions of dollars in artificial intelligence to moderate their platform. Facebook has said it's hired up to 30,000 employees and contractors to see what's going on, to try and catch these things as they're happening in real time. Yes, when it came to this, this massacre, streamed live for 17 minutes on Facebook, the company didn't couldn't catch this.

PAUL: It would -- and that's I think just baffling to a lot of people. And now, experts in digital forensics and image analysis say that -- as you're talking about it, artificial intelligence. They say, its years away from being able to detect the difference between what is a real violent act and what might be violence say in movies or in a videogame. How is Facebook policing a platform if that's what they're dealing with?

O'SULLIVAN: Yes, I mean I think a lot of people have some sympathy for Facebook in that. It has 2 billion users, so, that means billions of posts every day. But on the flip side, this is a platform that they built. So, I mean if you built something, you should be able to please us.

In terms of artificial intelligence, that is -- you know, it's been sort of presented by some technologists as a silver bullet. Facebook has -- you know, sort of hedge that a little in their public proclamations about it, for they have said, well, look, it's going to help our human moderators. And I think they sort of use it as a way to not have to hire as many humans as they might need. But one example, recently, the chief technology officer at Facebook was sort of bragging in an interview at Fortune magazine showing how A.I., Artificial Intelligence at Facebook was able to tell the difference between pictures of broccoli and pictures of Marijuana with 90 percent accuracy.

Now, the reason why he was pointing to that example was of something of how maybe on the platform, the company could detect the sale of narcotics. But as I was speaking some experts yesterday, 90 percent really isn't good enough. You know, 10 percent of the time if it's billions of posts. That is a huge amount of content.

And Facebook also released a report just before the holidays where they were sort of giving themselves a pat on the back, saying that they had found 99 percent -- sometimes as high as 99 percent of terrorist content, 96 percent of violent content before it was even ever reported to the platform. So, this is where they had proactively found it themselves.

Yes, when it came to it. You know, this 17-minute video, literally of a massacre, which -- you know, repeated gunfire, murder and weaponry, the platform wasn't able to find it. So, I guess we have to assume that, that falls into the three percent of videos they don't find.

[07:41:02] BLACKWELL: Yes. But before we wrap up here, digital hashing, which is a term I'll admit I'm just learning. Technology used to stop spreading videos online.

Now, according to the Counter Extremism Project, an organization that maintains a hashing database for terrorist videos, "The technology to prevent this from happening is available. Social media firms have made a decision not to invest in adopting it."

Quickly, what is it and is that true and why? Why wouldn't these social media firms invest in digital hashing?

O'SULLIVAN: So, there is two separate problems here. One is the fact that this video happens and went live and wasn't interrupted basically by, by Facebook. And that is something where they have to detect in real-time.

Secondly, is the issue of once that video is -- you know, take -- once it's taken down from the platform, people -- uploader, it gets shared again. People, you know, share a new versions of the video. That's where hashing comes in.

Facebook told us yesterday that every version of the video that they could find on the platform, they were pulling into a database where they said it would help them find other versions of the video.

So, hashing what -- hashing basically does is it helps prevent other versions of the video from being able to be uploaded on the platform. The problem with hashing, however, is that if there are changes made to the video, even slides sometimes, they hit -- the -- these systems can miss it. So, it's problematic, it's challenging. But I mean, if these billion dollar companies, some of the richest companies in the world in Silicon Valley can solve this problem, I mean, I don't know who can.

PAUL: Very good point. Donie O'Sullivan, such a pleasure to have you here. Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Now, if you at home want information, and I know a lot of people do. About how you can help the victims and their families there in New Zealand, for more information, you can go to

PAUL: While the NFL close of the case against one former Kansas City chief, there is a case against another player that's being opened, Coy Wire.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christi. Kareem Hunt has been handed a suspension for kicking and shoving a woman. What is it? And as that case closes, this former Chiefs teammate, Tyreek Hill is being investigated for alleged battery of a juvenile. Coming up on NEW DAY.


[07:47:30] PAUL: Well the NFL has suspended Browns running back Kareem Hunt for assaulting a woman.

BLACKWELL: Coy, Hunt says that he wants to take responsibility. What that look like?

WIRE: Yes, and we're seeing here Pro Bowl running back Kareem Hunt now, with the Browns. He was suspended eight games and he is not going to appeal that at all. And that's he violated the NFL's personal conduct policy.

And here is what he said. He said in part, "I know that my behavior hurt a lot of people. And I again apologize to them. I understand there's a lot of hard work ahead of me before I'm able to fully return to playing the game I love."

Now, Hunt was cut by the Kansas City Chiefs in November. You remember that video surfaced of him shoving and kicking a woman who allegedly shouted racist slurs at him in February of 2018. No charges were filed in that incident.

Now, in December, commissioner Roger Goodell said the NFL has "zero tolerance for violence against women." So, while some say an eight- game suspension is sufficient, others are questioning it, we want to know your thoughts. Tweet us @newday. Did the NFL get this right?

Kareem Hunt signed a one-year deal to play with the Cleveland Browns last month.

Onto another story here, police are reportedly investigating an alleged battery of a juvenile at the home of Kareem Hunt's former teammate, Chiefs Pro Bowl receiver Tyreek Hill. According to CNN affiliate, KCTV officers were called to Hills home for that alleged incident on Thursday. But KCTV says that just nine days earlier, Hill was named in a police report as part of a possible child abuse investigation.

As a Friday, Hill hasn't been charged or arrested in either case. CNN has reached out to the Chiefs, the NFL, Hill's agent, and police, but has not heard back. Hill has a history of domestic violence while in college at Oklahoma State in 2015.

He pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation of his now-fiancee, who was pregnant with their son who's now three years old. The Chiefs were criticized for drafting Hill that following year. So --


PAUL: So, going back to Kareem Hunt, do you get the sense that the NFL is shifting a little bit? I mean, when we go back to the Ray Rice moment.

WIRE: Yes.

PAUL: And people were saying what's going to be done here, and nothing was done. It seems like they might be getting a little more stringent on this place.

WIRE: Yes, and I would agree with that. And it was back after that Ray Rice incident, you remember the NFL didn't really have a clear-cut policy on how to handle instances of domestic abuse.

It was about five years ago that they did come up with a minimum six- game suspension for any sort of case involving domestic violence, domestic abuse. So, you have an instance where before this -- before these two scenarios have come up, Ezekiel Elliott, he was handed a six-game suspension.

And there was no video evidence in his case at all. So, you see that whereas in past there may be it where there wasn't a sufficient suspension in the eyes of many, it's becoming a little bit more palatable with these instances that just -- are tough to -- tough to bear.

[07:50:34] PAUL: No doubt. All right.

BLACKWELL: All right, thank you, Coy.

WIRE: You're welcome.

PAUL: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke, says he's sorry after news surfaced about things he wrote when he was a teenager.


O'ROURKE: Whatever my intention was as a teenager, it doesn't matter. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BLACKWELL: And there was another apology during this interview. We'll have that one for you.


[07:55:06] ANNOUNCER: "STAYING WELL", brought to you by MiraLAX. It works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally.

PAUL: So, this week's "STAYING WELL" looks at a hands-on approach. Physical therapists are using to relieve pain and improve flexibility. This is called Manual Therapy.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had a lot of pain for many years on my neck giving me a lot of headaches. They did MRIs, they did x-rays. They said there's nothing wrong except you've had this really bad posture for many years. And perhaps, you might want to see some physical therapists.

TAMAR AMITAY, FOUNDER, THRIVE INTEGRATED PHYSICAL THERAPHY: Gently try to turn to your right. Manual therapy is used by physical therapists to assess and treat pain, lack of mobility, flexibility. If we're looking at what is driving somebody's pain, we do that through our hands will feel for restrictions of tissues and joints.

Testing is involved to know that manual therapy is appropriate for that patient. We'll use different soft tissues techniques to improve glide and mobility at joints.

AMY MCGORRY, PHYSICAL AND MANUAL THERAPIST: When F.E. came in, I noticed she has a poor head posture which so many of us have with these computers these days. If she doesn't move here, she's going to take up the slack here.

She had very tight chest muscles, the pectorals. So, she didn't have the ability to sit upright. Her exercise program consisted of stretching the chest muscles. Getting her to open up her posture started to improve, and that put less stress on that mid cervical area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After about a month, I stopped having pain. I can bring the shoulders back instead of just hunching. I feel good.


BLACKWELL: Beto O'Rourke made two big apologies Friday on the campaign trail. The former Texas congressman who launched his bid for president on Thursday with the guests on the political party live podcast.

At first, O'Rourke apologized to his wife after saying that she was raising their children with, "sometimes my help." O'Rourke got some heat from Democrats who said a female candidate could never make a comment like that.


O'ROURKE: It's constructive criticism. It has already made me a better candidate, not only will I not say that again, but I'll be much more thoughtful going forward in the way that I talk about our marriage. And also, the way in which I acknowledge the truth of the criticism that I have enjoyed white privilege.


PAUL: Now, O'Rourke also apologized for writings that he had done in his past. A recent Reuters report says O'Rourke was a member of a group of activist hackers as a teenager. And his writings were done under the pseudonym Psychedelic Warlord. They included a piece of fiction from a killer's point of view.

O'Rourke's made it pretty clear that he's excited about running.


PAUL: Hasn't it, nonetheless outside of all of that. So, Jeanne Moos points out all you have to do is look at his arms to see that.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: When Beto O'Rourke, literally jumped into the presidential race, he was up in arms -- his arms.

O'ROURKE: -- beyond the shadow of a doubt. And if you look at the climate. To get all of this done. We would be fools.

MOOS: Disarming Beto was not an option.

O'ROURKE: And I think we should begin with the end.

MOOS: Even when sitting with his wife.

O'ROURKE: The last great hope of Earth.

MOOS: His other arm kept escaping from her clutches.

O'ROURKE: -- very best from every single one of us.

MOOS: It was almost as if he were doing sign language. Even President Trump tipped his half to Beto's hands.

TRUMP: Well, I think he's got a lot of hand movement. I've never seen so much hand movement. I said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts. Study it, I'm sure you'll agree.

MOSS: Study it. Study yourself.

TRUMP: We're winning too much, it's too much. We can't stand it.

MOOS: President Trump is a genius of gesticulation.

TRUMP: They're not going to get their way any more folks.

MOOS: But Beto wouldn't take the president's bait making fun of his arms.

O'ROURKE: I have nothing to say to that. I think -- I think people want us to rise above the pettiness, the smallness.

MOOS: I guess Beto won't be going after small hands. Body language expert, Chris Ulrich, compared Beto.

CHRIS ULRICH, FOUNDER, CU IN THE MOMENT: Almost kind of like the blow up man. You'll see at the -- at car dealerships as you go by.

MOOS: Such motions are known as illustrators.

ULRICH: It helps people focus in on you. You're more watch, you're more dynamic. People will see you more clearly as charismatic likable.

MOOS: As long as he doesn't put someone's eye out. A fellow panelists protected herself from Bernie Sanders.

The only way to tame Beto's hands is to put something in them. Be it a coffee cup, or a jacket, or a sweater. Before taking questions, Beto kept saying --

O'ROURKE: I am all ears -- I am all ears right now.

MOOS: Here we thought, you are all arms.

O'ROURKE: By extension.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN.

O'ROURKE: I will remember this forever.

MOOS: New York.