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. Lawmakers Prepared To Vote Once Again On Alternatives To Prime Minister May's Brexit Deal; The Remaining Murder Suspect In The Kim Jong Nam Trial Takes A Plea Deal; Brunei Faces Global Outrage; A Controversial Anti-Gay Law Soon Goes Into Effect As Governments And Figures Around The World Pile On The Criticism. Aired:8-9a ET
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JULIA CHATTERLEY, ANCHOR, CNN (voice over): Lawmakers prepared to vote once again on alternatives to Prime Minister May's Brexit deal.
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QUENTIN PEEL, ASSOCIATE FELLOW, EUROPE PROGRAMME AT CHATHAM H0OUSE: For Theresa May, the options are absolutely horrifying.
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST, NEWS STREAM (voice over): Escaping the death penalty.
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IVAN WATSON, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN: ... and that could be the end result of this brazen murder.
LU STOUT (voice over): The remaining murder suspect in the Kim Jong-nam trial takes a plea deal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to accept the alternative charge and she's happy about this.
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LU STOUT (voice over): And Brunei faces global outrage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's hard to think of that -- just being who you are and get you stoned to death.
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LU STOUT (voice over): A controversial anti-gay law soon goes into effect as governments and figures around the world pile on the criticism.
LU STOUT (on camera): Welcome to "News Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong.
JULIA CHATTERLEY, ANCHOR, CNN: And I'm Julia Chatterley, outside the British Houses of Parliament in London. Here in the U.K., it might be
April Fool's Day, but don't expect the British Prime Minister to suffer them gladly, as Parliament prepares to vote on alternatives once again to
have Brexit deal.
You may remember that lawmakers agree to all of nothing last week despite being the ones who are demanded control of the Brexit process. MPs will
also hold a largely symbolic debate on a petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the E.U.
More than six million people have now signed but the government says it's simply not an option. This of course, as reports say that Theresa May is
preparing to hold a fourth vote on her deal with the E.U. For more, Nic Robertson is outside at number 10 Downing Street for us.
Nic, we'll deal with the indicative votes take to procedure that we're expecting to see this afternoon. Has a long weekend after eight no's last
week focus minds do you think and can anyone, a very similar options here, get a majority?
NIC ROBERTSON, INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR, CNN: Well, you know, I think that because everyone's talking about the Customs Union as the one
that came closest in the last round of indicative voting? There's a sort of a lot of emphasis put on that but of course it is divisive for the
Conservative Party -- is divisive for Theresa May.
I think as you were saying that, you know, people are asking that question, "Is there really going to be a meaningful vote for, or would it be three
and a half, or would it actually be three now. Would that be --would Theresa May try to bring back her deal again?
I sense this - or rather not, if but when, and of course, Theresa May, in making that decision will be helped along by watching those indicative
votes later today.
We've yet to hear from the speaker, which of those votes that he would choose but it's meant to be two or three different options. The Customers
Union as you say, the possibility of a second referendum would be another one, and sort of a Norway-style relationship between the European Union and
the U.K. going forward.
Those seem to be the front runners at the moment. But all of them are divisive because Norway, the Customs Union, Red Lions for Theresa May
indicated already, she hasn't won the second referendum.
The question facing her, you know, pull the country together around a consensus or potentially split her party and that's an unenviable legacy
for somebody who said that they won't be running, taking the party into the next of election or into the next phase of Brexit, Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, as you said, Nic, as well and we'll take this example -- the Custom's Union. We're talking a much softer Brexit, a much closer
relationship with the E.U. going forward for the U.K. than this government certainly anticipated.
If that happens and we see a majority for that there's speculation that we could see a runoff between her deal and that much closer relationship. But
as you've pointed out, critical for the government itself here because whichever option here or if she brings in the possibility of going for a
no-deal, she divides her government, the cabinet in two. Critical for the government here on the direction irrespective of what happens tonight.
ROBERTSON: Absolutely and they're divided on so many of the of the sort of variables that are open to the Prime Minister. She seems to be boxed in,
if you will, that if she moves slightly to the right or slightly to the left -- harder Brexit, softer Brexit -- there's no room for maneuver, for
her to maneuver and bring everyone with her. Other than that potential of saying, you know, I've given you my Deal or No Deal. So now it's my deal
or this alternative that may emerge later tonight, the sort of runoff between the Customs Union offer or her offer.
The reality is her deal has been voted down so many times. We seem to be going back to the position that Theresa May has really used all along which
is basically run down the clock and get the vote as close to when the clock is about to takeover to if you will scare enough MPs, the final hurdle over
that final hurdle.
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ROBERTSON: Because without that threat -- you know, the idea that Britain could continue to debate this on and on and on, that's a threat and a worry
for her hard line, the Euro skeptics. But is it enough of a threat to bring across some Labour MPs who weren't there in the vote last week? Is
that is that really her catalyst in all of this?
CHATTERLEY: Yes. Nic Robertson, you managed an enormous sigh in the middle of that and to keep talking and I think we're all with you there,
Nic Robertson. Thank you so much for that. All right, whether it's leave meaning leave or remain not being reconsidered. No one seems happy with
how this process is going.
Nina dos Santos is in the historic city of Winchester which voted remain. While we've got Hadas Gold in the North of England in Teesside, which wants
out of the E.U.
Hadas, I'm going to come to you first. There was clearly a lot of disappointment that Friday's date, the date that the U.K. was mentally the
E.U. passed and obviously the country didn't. What are people there saying about the prospect of just getting out even without a deal here.
HADAS GOLD, REPORTER, CNN: Julia, we're standing in what once was one of the largest steel plants in the United Kingdom. And as you can see,
obviously, it is been shut down for several years. And the people of this area partly blame being part of the European Union as the reason as to why
business seems to have ground to a halt in this area.
As you noted, the Teesside region voted heavily in favor and leave. In some towns 70% voted to leave at the same time unemployment here is about
double what the national average, so there's a big sense that Brexit is the answer to their woes. They think that Brexit will bring in more
businesses. We spent yesterday in a nearby town called Hartlepool. We spoke to some locals and the Hartepool Member of Parliament, take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I Don't think anyone knows and I think the worst part is the people are supposed to know in Parliament don't know either. It's
all just a political game, isn't it? Like no one knows what to do. People are just trying to score points at the minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They need to kind of move on with Brexit. It's been going on since 2016. I think Theresa May is stuck in the road. She needs
to just make a decision not just sitting and squabbling like children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get out, let's get out. We survived to where it was. We're fighters and yes, we'll go down, but we'll climb out again.
GOLD (voice over): Mike Hill, the MP for the area said his constituents don't want a second referendum.
MIKE HILL, BRITISH MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR HARTLEPOOL, LABOUR PARTY: But when you look at the polls, and you hear people saying, "Oh, you know, the
people now want a people's vote." The polls have never closed that much. They've narrowed naturally at times but not sufficiently to say, this town
now wants remain, it doesn't, it clearly doesn't.
GOLD: Has the opinion of your constituents hardened in the last few weeks when it comes to Brexit?
HILL: Quite rightly so and understandably so, and the people are upset. There is upset now, for let's say, as they are right across the country.
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GOLD: And Julie, that anger with parliament, you could really feel when you're talking to any local residents here and local politicians. They
think that this process has dragged on for much too long and it's time to just move forward so they can start some of these -- what they think as
sort of the new era for this region. They think that will help them bring back the jobs, bring back this life that they so desperately want to go
back to -- Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, it makes sense, Hadas, and of course, the idea there that positions have hardened -- have only hardened in the last few weeks.
Nina, come in here too. What are the people in Winchester saying to you at this moment, and we've just heard there, they don't want a second
referendum? I'm sure hopes continue to rise of the prospect of potentially having a second vote there.
NINA DOS SANTOS, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Yeah, well, it's really interesting to juxtapose the economic dynamics of a place like Teesside of the North
with the affluency of a place like Winchester, which is famous for the cathedral behind me built in 1079. Jane Austen is buried there. We've got
one of the most elite boarding schools in the United Kingdom, just around the corner from here and it's a very, very affluent part of the country
that's politically well connected. And, you know, commuters go back and forth from London and buy houses here to move outside of the British
capital.
This is one of the reasons why being a place that feels like it's benefited enormously from the recent globalization trends, unlike places like
Hartlepool and Teesside. The citizens of Winchester voted to remain inside the European Union three years ago to the tune of about nearly 59% on a
huge turnout of 81%.
The local MP, Steve Brian, is actually a soft Brexiteer, who has decided to recently -- resigned from the government, in protest to some of the way
that Brexit has been handled ahead of those meaningful votes that took place at the end of last week. In fact, he did resign last week.
We've been getting opinions throughout the morning from people up and down the high street. We've had some ardent leavers, largely older people who
say, "Well look, we've been through the post war years.
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DOS SANTOS: We can take it on the chin, economically speaking. And also some remainders, some of whom especially local students who say they want
to stay inside, they want to know the say. But interesting enough, Julia, I spoke to two people just an hour or so ago, who said they were remain,
and they now leave largely because of the way how the politicians have handled things, both in Westminster and in Brussels.
CHATTERLEY: That is fascinating. Nina, as you mentioned too, the risk, of course, is that the debate over Brexit continues for the next few years and
those inequalities that you pinpointed there, simply don't get addressed. Nina de Santos and Hadas Gold, thank you so much for that.
Kristie, obviously, plenty more from Parliament to outside Parliament here to come, as we count down to yet more votes in Parliament. The big
question, of course is, can they find a majority for something here? We shall see over to you.
LU STOUT: Yes, and here's hoping that that vote later today will show some sort of an option away forward to break the deadlock. Julia, thank you so
much. We'll talk again soon.
Now, the Vietnamese woman accused of killing Kim Jong-un's half brother has escaped death after being granted a plea deal. Doan Thi Huong's lawyer
says that she will be released from prison on May the 5th.
It comes after charges against her accomplice were dropped last month. CNN's Ivan Watson has the latest from Hong Kong.
Ivan Watson. Kristie, this was one of the most brazen assassinations in recent history, the murder of Kim Jong-nam, the half brother of the North
Korean dictator with VX nerve agent in Kuala Lumpur airport in February of 2017.
And now the trial around that assassination appears to have wrapped up with the remaining suspect this Vietnamese woman named Doan Thi Huong accepting
a plea deal. She has pled guilty to a lesser charge than murder now of quote voluntarily causing hurt by dangerous weapons or means.
The judge says she is a very lucky person. He sentenced to three years four months in prison. Her defense attorneys -- they say they believe she
could be released as early as May of this year. Now, there was another suspect, an Indonesian woman named Siti Aisyah. And that was a real
bombshell just last month when the prosecutors suddenly dropped charges against her and she was released in less than 24 hours. That came amid
heavy lobbying from the highest levels of the Indonesian government. And it prompted the Vietnamese government to engage in their own much more
public lobbying campaign.
The Vietnamese ambassador to Kuala Lumpur said he was highly appreciative of the steps that the prosecutor and the judge took here. In fact, Doan
Thi Houng, the Vietnamese woman, she technically could have faced not only up to 10 years in prison, but also a fine and whipping. But the judge said
that a woman should not be whipped in Malaysia.
There are still four suspects out there North Koreans who managed to escape from Malaysia shortly after the assassination took place, they are wanted.
They are at large somewhere right now and probably will never face justice.
As for these two suspects who did appear in court, they never actually testified, which leaves a lot of unanswered questions. They claimed they
had been fooled by the North Korean agents, and that they thought that they were participating in some reality TV prank show when they approached the
half brother of the North Korean dictator and smeared poison on his face - Kristie.
LU STOUT: Ivan Watson there. Now, Brunei is moving forward with a new law punishing adultery and gay sex with death. Find out how some celebrities
are using their star power to fight back. The White House is defending President Donald Trump's plan to shut down the U.S.-Mexico border. And
there is a migrant housing crisis at the border as well. We'll take you there.
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LU STOUT: The Sultan of Brunei is resisting international pressure of a controversial new law set to take effect on Wednesday. It would punish gay
sex and adultery with death by stoning. Alexandra Field tells us how those in and outside Brunei are reacting to this disturbing new law.
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ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): A tiny Southeast Asian nation, Brunei, now the target of international outrage. This week it will
fully implement their plan for Sharia law, punishing adultery and homosexuality with death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's hard to think that just being who you are can get you get stoned to death.
FIELD (voice over): George Clooney leads a pack of global superstars speaking out. He says, Brunei will begin stoning and whipping to death any
of its citizens that are proved to be gay. Let that sink in, in the onslaught of news where we see the world backsliding into authoritarianism
this stands alone.
And from Elton John. Discrimination on the basis of sexuality is plain wrong and has no place in any society.
Both now urging the public to boycott hotels around the world controlled by the Sultan of Brunei, who defends his countries right to impose its laws.
The government issuing a statement that says Brunei is a sovereign Islamic and fully independent country and, like all other independent countries,
enforces its own rule of law.
A transgender woman whose identity we are protecting, fled the country to be able to live freely in Canada.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want my LGB friends to be safe and if possible, get out of the Brunei. It's not a good place to have your freedom
taken away from you, your human rights not being there. It's a terrible way to live.
FIELD (voice over): Shahiran left Brunei after he says he was charged with sedition for criticizing the government. He hid his sexuality until he was
safely in Canada. He sends this message home.
SHAHIRAN S. SHAHRANI, MD, BRUNEIAN REFUGEE: Stay safe and please watch out for yourselves. If you feel that you're in danger, I made it out. You
can, too. I hate to be a pessimist, I know Brunei can change, but I don't think Brunei can change anytime soon.
FIELD (voice over): Brunei imposed parts of Sharia law back in 2014. Full implementation was quietly announced on a government website last December.
MATTHEW WOOLFE, FOUNDER, THE BRUNEI PROJECT: In Brunei the economy is starting to decline. It has been declining for some time now. It could
possibly be a way of further strengthening the government's grip on power.
FIELD (voice over): We've concealed the identity of a young gay man who spoke to us still inside Brunei.
FIELD (on camera): To hear it will be law in your country that homosexual acts can be punished by stoning, what is your reaction to that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inhumane. It's a very, I guess, aggressive punishment. It's not something that a human should suffer with just because of the
being a homosexual. That degree of punishment should not even exist in our modern time.
FIELD (voice over): Despite mounting international pressure, he believes the laws will be imposed April 3rd as scheduled. He now lives with the
fear that those laws will be enforced. Alexandra Field, CNN, Hong Kong.
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LU STOUT: Meanwhile the White House is defending President Donald Trump's threat to close the U.S. border with Mexico. That as U.S. State Department
says that they will cut aid to Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras.
The move would deal a major economic blow to American consumers and businesses. This is thousands of under documented immigrants are being
released by fellow authorities in parts of Texas.
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LU STOUT: Border officials say the migrant facility in Brownsville is over capacity and that that there's simply no more room to hold them.
CNN correspondent Martin Savage is in Brownsville, Texas. He joins us now and Martin, how is the community there dealing with this influx?
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Now, here's one example. Christy, this is the bus station in downtown Brownsville. It's a city of course
right up against the border with Mexico. They've turned it into a migrant processing center. Essentially, what is happening here is that the federal
government releasing the migrants out of detention, pulls them up and bustle just outside. The migrants come inside here where they're greeted
by city officials, and also county officials and there they begin to kind of hand over.
Once the migrants are in the care of the city, the next process is to essentially determine if they got the right documents, give them phones to
allow them to connect to loved ones or family members here in the United States. And then they begin to facilitate what they hope is going to be
transportation, in other words, put them on buses, or put them on airplanes, and fly them to be with their families, while those migrants
work out the adjudication process of their asylum seeker.
So that's the way it's supposed to work. It's actually going fairly well. They've moved about 1,000 migrants through here over the weekend. Here's
the mayor describing things.
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TONY MARTINEZ, MAYOR OF BROWNSVILL, TEXAS: I'm comfortable, because what happened is I've dealt with this issue for a long time now. And I'm not
talking about decades, but I'm talking about, you know, a little bit more than a year. And everything that they've sent down our way we've been able
to handle and I'm very, very proud to be honest here - of my volunteers, the people, the city people, the community.
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SAVIDGE: The worry is that if the numbers start to really creep up, if they get over 1000 migrants a day here, that's when the local system could
begin to break down. They do have shelters for any of the migrants who can't move out on the same day as far as transport rotation and the other
factor here is money.
Brownsville is not a rich city nor any of the cities along the Mexican border here. And many of them are having to spend their own money to try
to take care of what they look at as a federal problem -- Kristie
LU STOUT: Well, the system there, I risk of breaking down because of the influx, Martin Savidge reporting live. Thank you so much, Martin.
Now, the President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro. He has announced a 30-day plan to ration electricity. This comes as this recurring blackouts have
created even more devastation in the already troubled nation.
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LU STOUT: Venezuelans are frustrated with the outages. They've set up street blockades, protesting the government. Some neighborhood say that
they have gone days without power or water. As Maduro says the rationing plan will focus on getting water to the people. He tweeted a few hours ago
that he also wants a shortened work day that ends at 2:00 p.m.
China and New Zealand are looking to reset relations after New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern met with Chinese leaders yesterday. She and
Chinese President Xi Jinping vowed to improve ties strained by U.S. efforts to block Chinese telecommunication companies from building better networks.
Prime Minister Ardern has also recently come under pressure from human rights groups to raise the issue of trying to crack down on weaker Muslims,
and this is how she addressed it.
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JACINDA ARDERN, PRIME MINISTER, NEW ZEALAND: Weaker Muslim issue is something that has been raised by New Zealand before. I'm also haven't
gone into detail before the meeting of the things I'm likely to raise. Human rights issues are things that New Zealand routinely raises in our
bilaterals with China.
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LU STOUT: China has repeatedly denied reports of torture and brainwashing inside their facilities.
Sixty years ago, Tibet's highest spiritual leader the Dalai Lama fled his home country into India. And since then, he began his life as an exile,
advocating for the country's cultural autonomy. As China's grip on Tibet tightens his fellow Tibetans may face a fight for survival in a world
without the aging Dalai Lama.
Lu Stout (voice over): It`s been 60 years since the Dalai Lama last set foot in the land of his birth, Tibet. He was identified as the new Tibetan
leader by a delegation of monks when he was only a child and he was given full status as Dalai Lama at the tender age of 15. A process that was sped
up as Chinese troops marched over the highlands into Tibet to take control in 1950. Chinese leader Mao Zedong offered autonomy but demanded obedience
from people in the region.
The Dalai Lama took part in a series of peace talks with communist officials but then there was an unsuccessful armed uprising against the
Chinese in Lhasa on March the 10th, 1959. And the same year this photo was taken showing the Dalai Lama on his throne in Lhasa, he fled across the
Himalayas into India.
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LU STOUT (voice over): Since then the Dalai Lama has lived in exile in northern India. In 1989 he won a Nobel Peace Prize for his dedication to
the non-violent liberation of Tibet. The Dalai Lama has always said he is only ever wanted enough autonomy to protect traditional Buddhist culture in
Tibet.
Chinese authorities insist he is a separatist trying to establish an independent Tibet calling him a wolf in monks robes. Beijing says the
Tibetan region has been China`s territory for centuries and denies any oppression since 1950, saying living standards have greatly improved for
the Tibetan people.
In 2008, there were days of demonstrations which turned into riots in Lhasa. That lead to a crackdown in which Chinese state media says 20
people were killed. Tibetan exiles say it was more like 150.
In 2011, the Dalai Lama announced plans to devolve his political power to an elected leader of the Tibetan Exile Movement.
A few years later in an interview with CNN`s Christiane Amanpour he explained.
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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Might you be the last Dalai Lama?
DALAI LAMA: Possible, the last Dalai Lama. This is what I feel. I personally feel better. The people should take full responsibility.
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LU STOUT (voice over): Beijing says any new Dalai Lama chosen in Tibet would have to be approved by the communist government leading the current
Dalai Lama to speculate his successor could come from outside of China. In 2016 CNN`s Matt Rivers was one in a group of journalists who were able to
make a rare visit to Tibet on a state controlled trip.
Buddhism is one of five officially recognized religions in China but under tight government supervision and surveillance and that is very much the
case for the six million to eight million Tibetan Buddhists, many who have left the region.
There have been campaigns to get people to denounce the Dalai Lama, and in response forms of protests includes scores of self installations.
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LU STOUT: The Dalai Lama, now well into his 80s remains the most influential figure for Tibetans, but just by saying that he is devoted to
serving all of China's Buddhists, the aging spiritual leader is unlikely to be able to visit his birthplace again in this lifetime.
Now, time is running out for British MPs to create a way forward on Brexit. They will have another go later today. But the threat of crashing out of
the E.U. without a deal looms large. We're going to be live outside Parliament next.
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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to the show. I'm Julia Chatterley, outside the British Houses of Parliament in London.
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CHATTERLEY: The clocks may have gone forward in the U.K. but Brexit remains at a standstill, indecision, chaos, backbiting have consumed the
process up to this point but today might see a breakthrough.
MPs will try to unify around an alternative to Prime Minister May's deal through another round of indicative votes. None of the eight non-binding
options were backed by the House last week. The clock is ticking, the threat of crushing out of the E.U. on the new April 12th deadline also
looms over proceedings.
To make sense of it all, we're joined by Quentin Peel. He's associate fellow of the Europe Program at Chatham House. Great to have you with us.
I hope you can make sense of it. No one else can, quite frankly.
I want to focus on the two options that are back on the drawing board, back on the table here that got most support last time and that was the
possibility of a second referendum, also a much closer relationship between the E.U. and the U.K. going forward.
Both options, I think are toxic for Theresa May's government here.
PEEL: Yes, that's the problem for her. I mean, if they get a majority in the House of Commons, she will have a terrible decision to take whether to
actually back them or not. Because if she goes for a Customs Union, that close relationship with Europe, the hard line Brexit is in her cabinet will
almost certainly resign.
And if she goes for a referendum, a confirmatory vote or whatever, it will precipitate the same problem. But if she doesn't do either of those
things, and she can't get her own deal through at the fourth time of our scheme --
CHATTERLEY: ...or assuming she will try.
PEEL: Yes. And then there's a bunch of no dealers in her cabinet who don't want to crash out with no deal, who might resign as well. Either way
her government splits.
CHATTERLEY: I mean, it's going to come down to ultimately what's on the table tonight, even to be voted on because we've got to see the House
Speaker do that in a few hours time.
What's the likelihood given the weekend, given how pressing April 12th is. We actually see a majority for any of these things, because of course, as
we mentioned there, eight no's last week. We've found out what Parliament still doesn't want, not what they do.
PEEL: Well, the speaker Bercow -- John Bercow, is almost set to reduce the number that they're going to vote on. He is discarding the ones that
really didn't get much support last time, which of course, and mostly the really hard line ones. Say, "Let's crash out without a deal and so on." So
they'll just be dropped.
Now the question is, have things got close enough to really get people to come on board? Norway, for example. This idea that not only would we stay
in the Customs Union, we'd actually stay in the single market of Europe.
CHATTERLEY: So we'd sacrifice -- the U.K. would sacrifice stopping the free movement of people.
PEEL: They would not. This would have nothing to do with controlling immigration. And so again, it would be detested by a very large part of
Theresa May's own party. So this week is really, I think, all about the unity of the government and the Conservative Party. And I pretty much
think they aren't going to split again very publicly.
CHATTERLEY: This week?
PEEL: I think this week -- I think it really comes to head this week. She's got to have an answer for the European Union by Wednesday, next week.
CHATTERLEY: Yes or even by Monday to give some indication before she goes ahead with that summit on Wednesday, of course next week, what the game
plan is here.
Okay, so let's talk tactics. If she has to choose between the two, as we've said toxic alternatives, if she has to break her government and her
party, what perhaps should she do to weaken the opposition, the Labour Party at the same time and get a deal through?
PEEL: Well, I think that marginally her favored option, she says she hates it, would be a referendum because the referendum also divides the Labour
Party. So she splits her party, but she also splits the Labour Party. If she went for Customs Union, she splits her party, but it's precisely what
the...
CHATTERLEY: Labour wants --
PEEL ...Labour Party has been wanting. So actually, it's the worse of the two options. So I think if she's forced, she goes that way. But she's
probably going to have a go at having a fourth vote on her own deal. And we're not sure that John Bercow is actually going to allow her to do that
because he said already, "You cannot come back with the same motion again and again."
CHATTERLEY: Quentin Peel, thank you so much for that. But as you heard that Kristie, perhaps that's a route. If you want to break both sides of
the Houses of Parliament here, the two main parties, then you tack on that second referendum. Wow -- Christy.
LU STOUT: Yes, it's fascinating. So many routes lawmakers -- they take to the steering wheel again to vote on options. Destination is still unknown.
Julia, thank you so much. You'll be back again for "First Move" is always at the top of the hour. Take care.
You're watching "News Stream," keep it here we've got more after this short break.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back. Now all this month, we are exploring India's diverse array of travel possibilities, from global music festivals to
picturesque mountain retreats. CNN's travel trends India showcases memorable experiences that the country has to offer. Now in this edition,
we go to the gem of the Lake District where nature seekers live, like locals take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Tucked away in verdant mountains and teeming with birdlife Bhimtal is part of a network of hill stations. These
were upland settlements founded by British colonialists in the 1800s as a way of escaping the punishing heat of India's summer.
Today generations after India's independence, many of these colonial hill station houses have been converted into rustic homestays, like the home of
Padmini Smetacek. It's a former tea estate with a history of more than 160 years, what she likes to call The Retreat.
PADMINI SMETACEK, OWNER, THE RETREAT BHIMTAL: This house has been in use ever since it was built in the 1860s. Somebody or the other has always
lived here so we've never had this place lying derelict or anything like that. So it's a loved place I would say.
Unidentified Male (voice over): In 1939, Fred Smetacek, Padmini's father- in-law fled Nazi Germany for India. He became a successful businessman in Calcutta. Before purchasing the Jones' estate in Bhimtal in 1951 and
opening up his home to guests. A homestay that his family has been running ever since.
Over time, hill stations like Bhimtal have retained their essence as holiday destinations. They're a retreat into an abundance of nature with
the vestiges of history still intact. But perhaps the biggest appeal of all to a homestay like Smetacek's is that it feels like home.
SMETACEK: Increasingly, the guests I get here tell me, "We don't want to go to hotels for holidays. We want to go to homestays because the
experience is personal. We learn about the place, we get to eat the real food of the locality."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alongside other homestay owners from around the area, Smetacek swaps stories and tips cultivated from a lifetime of hospitality.
And with a spread of locally sourced vegetables, like mustard leaf, cucumber, and beans, lunch at The Retreat is served.
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LU STOUT: I'm loving that type of retreat. Now something that we just got to talk about, the threat of phishing scams, mainly emails sent to get you
to inadvertently hand over your personal data. They've become unfortunately a near daily part of our lives. Just a few days ago, in
fact, a man in the U.S. pled guilty to hacking into the Apple accounts of high profile musicians and professional athletes and spending thousands of
dollars from their accounts but going further than just their data. Do people also need to fear tech companies who want to use and make money from
their identities, our identities.
Well, CNN business tech correspondent Samuel Burke can help us answer that.
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LU STOUT: He is in fact in Dubai covering the DJI Sec, the largest cyber security exhibition and conference in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.
He joins us now live - Samuel
SAMUEL BURKE, TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Kristie, for years we've been focused on data but what we're hearing at this cyber security conference is
that we need to be more focused on our phones, because our phones don't just have our data, now they have our identity.
Let me just put up on the screen for you, the ways that your phone has much more than your data. Think about your biometrics, it now has your face,
and your fingerprint, your financial information. We all know your financial information is how corporations identify you in places like the
United States, and your health information, your heartbeat.
So they're talking about a focus, more on the device because that information isn't in the cloud that's on your phone. And that's why I want
to talk to Rick McElroy. He's the head of security for cyber security firm, Carbon Black. And I just want to get your perspective, if we need to
be focused on how safe our devices are. Where do we even start, given the fact that every phone maker says that their device is so safe?
RICK MCELRORY, HEAD OF SECURITY STRATEGY, CARBON BLACK: Yes, that's correct. So I think you're going to need a third party out there to
validate whether the manufacturers are doing the correct things.
One of the things I've been encouraged by in this market is Consumer Reports putting out ratings for privacy and security, it is great. We need
to extend that and all consumer electronics needs to fall under that.
BURKE: So you think when somebody goes to shop for a new phone, they should do it the same way they do a car and look at the security rating
that a place like Consumer Reports, might give.
MCELROY: I do, I think there's something -- you know, as a consumer, I have to take some ownership of that, right? I can't just pawn it to the
manufacturer. After all, even if I'm in a car, I still have to drive it, right? I have to draw operating safely. I think the same thing is true
for mobile devices. And so, consumers are going to get the tools and the education to make informed decisions.
BURKE: Much in the same way that Moms think about what's the safest car to have my kid in. You have to think about what's the best phone for me for
my identity. Now, we hear Mark Zuckerberg coming around to this argument as well. I think he would admit, maybe they should have done it sooner.
But do you think this is the natural pivot for a company like Facebook to make, making privacy the emphasis given all the scandals they've had?
MCELROY: Yes, I think so and I think other companies, given the fines that are going to be generated at things like GDPR, right over in Europe.
California is proposing a new privacy law. I think they're going to have to do it. And so, maybe they should have done it before but now they're
going to be forced into doing it, which is great for consumers.
BURKE: Rick McIlroy, from Carbon Black. Thank you very much for joining us here on CNN. I think that is how it has to be, Kristie. Just the way
that we've thought about how his Facebook or which social network is protecting my data best? Suddenly, now that emphasis has to be on our
device because even my passport is on my device when I go back to the states these days. So I certainly don't want you or anyone else getting
their hands on my phones --Kristie.
LU STOUT: Absolutely. Cyber security, they're focused in Dubai. It should be our focus as well as our identity migrates online. Samuel Burke
reporting. Thank you.
And that is "New Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout, but don't go anywhere. "World Sport" with Christina Macfarlane is next.
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