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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are asking that the entire Mueller report be given to Congress.

[05:59:22] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There's no collusion. Now we're going to start this process all over again? I think it's a disgrace.

REP. DAVID CICILLINE (D), RHODE ISLAND: We are the committee that has responsibility to determine whether or not there was any wrongdoing, not the attorney general.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This woman showed up at Mar-a-Lago. She had malicious malware.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The only question I have is why does it look so clumsy? Did they intend for her to get caught?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's stunning how far she got in. We see the front doors and the back doors open to this administration.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: This show starts at 6.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It's coming. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, April 3, 6 a.m. here in New York.

And this morning, Congress will take a giant new step toward getting its hands on the full Mueller report. And overnight, the president used new language to suggest that he doesn't want it out at all.

Shortly, the House Judiciary Committee will vote to authorize a subpoena for Special Counsel Robert Mueller's full unredacted 400-page report. They want to see why Mueller specifically does not exonerate the president on obstruction of justice.

And while the special counsel did not establish a criminal case against the president for conspiracy or coordination with the Russians, Democrats want to see if the report outlines questionable activity or contact with the Russians short of a crime.

And as for the president, remember how just last week, he said he was fine with everyone seeing the full report? Well, now it's a different message. Overnight, he called a public release "ridiculous" and a waste of time. And the other day he suggested maybe we should just say no to releasing it.

CAMEROTA: Meanwhile there was this security breach at President Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida that's raising a lot of questions this morning.

Federal investigators say a Chinese woman carried a thumb drive with malware, entered the president's club to try to illegally access info of some kind. Authorities say she was also carrying two Chinese passports and four cell phones. Who was she?

The security incident is renewing concerns about protecting the president and classified info when he and his advisers are at his private properties, which he is often.

Let's begin with CNN's Joe Johns. He is live at the White House.

Good morning, Joe.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

I think you would say today is consequential. Today is the day the House Judiciary Committee is likely to start asserting its real power to try to find out all that is in the Mueller report.

Up until now, the attorney general has promised a redacted copy of that report. For Democrats, they say that's simply not good enough.

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JOHNS (voice-over): In a matter of hours, the House Judiciary Committee expected to vote to subpoena Special Counsel Robert Mueller's full, unredacted report and the underlying evidence from his investigation.

Lawmakers also expected to vote to subpoena documents and testimony from five former Trump aides, including former White House counsel Don McGahn and former communications director Hope Hicks. Democrats on the committee turning up the pressure after Attorney General William Barr missed their deadline yesterday to turn over the report.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA), CHAIRMAN, INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: I'm prepared to hold him to his commitment during the confirmation that he would be as transparent as law and policy would allow. He's not doing that.

JOHNS: Barr offering to release a redacted version of the report by mid-April, which Democrats are rejecting.

REP. JERROLD NADLER (D), CHAIRMAN, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: The attorney general is an agent of the president. He auditioned for his job by saying that this kind of investigation was wrong. And therefore, he deserves no -- no benefit of the doubt.

JOHNS: The president has insisted for weeks that he supports the report's full release.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I told the House, if you want, let them see it.

Wouldn't bother me at all.

JOHNS: But now the president changing his tone.

TRUMP: I think it's ridiculous. We could give them -- it's a 400- page report, right? We could give them 800 pages, and it wouldn't be enough.

JOHNS: Later in the day, the president delivering a free-wheeling speech at the National Republican Congressional Committee dinner, calling into question the results of the 2018 midterm elections.

TRUMP: I don't like the way the votes are being tallied.

JOHNS: Once again raising, without proof, the prospect of election fraud.

TRUMP: There were a lot of close elections that were -- they seemed, every single one of them, went Democrat. If it was close, they say the Democrat were -- there's something going on. You've got to -- Hey, you've got to be a little bit more paranoid than you are.

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JOHNS: The president's remarks echo his debunked claims about widespread voter fraud after the 2016 election. He claimed that millions of illegal votes cost him the popular vote. He also established a commission to look into it, which was later disbanded in controversy -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right, Joe. Thank you very much for all that.

Joining us now is CNN political analyst David Gregory.

Good morning, David.

DAVID GREGORY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So it sounds like Jerry Nadler, Congressman Jerry Nadler is authorizing and preparing these subpoenas but not issuing them today, because he's giving Attorney General Barr this grace period. Barr has promised to have it released by mid-month.

But it also sounds like when the 400 pages are released it won't really satisfy Congressman Nadler, because much of it will be redacted. So then what?

GREGORY: Well, then there's going to be a fight, starting with the Justice Department if they can't agree on what should be released. Remember what Nadler is really after here. If Mueller decided there

wasn't a criminal case to be made, he did say that he wasn't exonerated, the president shouldn't be exonerated when it came to obstruction of justice.

[06:05:05] That's where Nadler has asserted that Congress has a unique role to play and a responsibility to find out if the president abused his power as president of the United States, interfering with this investigation.

If there wasn't a crime, what was he obstructing? That's going to be a big question throughout all of this. But there's no question that they're going to push on this.

And if you look at who they're subpoenaing, who they want to hear from, those would be people who the president, presumably, would have spoken to about his decision to fire Jim Comey, principally, the FBI director. Because, as the president said, out loud and in public, he didn't like the way he was handling the Russia investigation.

CAMEROTA: It's not surprising that the president is changing his tune.

GREGORY: Right.

CAMEROTA: Two weeks ago, he said, "Oh, yes, put it all out. Put the whole thing out."

And now maybe it is sinking in that this will not be a 400-page love letter.

GREGORY: Right.

CAMEROTA: There will be unflattering things in there, by definition. I mean, we will -- Robert Mueller will spell out some of the curious, you know, situations that we all have reported on for the past two years.

GREGORY: Well, and let's just remember, right? The president was not accused with any crime, nor would he have been under Justice Department guidelines. But nobody around him was found to be potentially criminally liable for any conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election. That is a bottom-line conclusion by the special prosecutor, whose faith so many had invested in him and in the process. So that's the conclusion.

And the president's running with that, saying there is then absolutely nothing to see here. He knows -- and he's right -- that Democrats will use this politically against the president.

But there are unflattering things that will be in there about coincidences, about questions of how those contacts happened between Trump campaign officials and Russians who were seeking to interfere with the 2016 election. And that's the important point.

I think the public interest here is what happened. What we know from Special Counsel Mueller is that Russia, in so many different ways, sought to interfere with the 2016 election. How that happened and how it gets prevented from happening again should be a primary interest of this administration and of Congress. That is the public interest behind airing this report.

CAMEROTA: And just in terms of the public seeing the full report or even Congress seeing the full report, which Congress says is their duty, let's just remember that, when the shoe is on the other foot, when Republicans were in charge of some of these committees, they demanded sensitive documents.

GREGORY: Right.

CAMEROTA: And they wanted to see all of them for -- you know, we could go through it. From Benghazi to Fast and Furious, et cetera. And so, you know, there is precedent for them to be able to see the full information.

GREGORY: And there's an interest from Republicans in this case, who don't like the genesis of this investigation, what led to a special prosecutor, and they think the FBI acted inappropriately. They think the information in the dossier was politically motivated. So I would think they would want an airing to be able to scrub all of that.

There is the political danger here for Democrats here, is how far they push on this when the special counsel concluded there was no criminal conspiracy at all. There is a real political danger.

But they're going to argue they have this responsibility to find what was there and at least be able to fully understand what the conclusions were. And I think the public interest will override any of the dissent when it comes to this.

CAMEROTA: All right. David Gregory, thank you very much.

GREGORY: Thanks.

CAMEROTA: John.

BERMAN: All right. New developments this morning and new questions about how a women -- woman with Chinese passports managed to breach the president's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida.

The criminal complaint reveals she was carrying a thumb drive that contained suspicious malware. She had four cell phones, two passports.

CNN's Kaylee Hartung is live at Mar-a-Lago in Florida with much more -- Kaylee.

KAYLEE HARTUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John, it is unclear what this woman's associations or connections are. It's unclear what she truly hoped to accomplish at Mar-a-Lago.

But as you'll hear, as her story changed with each person she encountered at the president's private club, it makes it clear she intended to deceive.

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HARTUNG (voice-over): Federal prosecutors filing charges against Chinese national Yujing Zhang, who they say illegally entered President Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida last weekend and lied about it. Prosecutors say Zhang was carrying two Chinese passports, four cell phones, a laptop computer, an external hard drive type device, and a thumb drive that contained, quote, "malicious malware."

SCHIFF: Is this malware that she was even aware she had on the thumb drive? Was it intended to be planted? We don't know the answer to those questions.

HARTUNG: According to the complaint, Zhang initially told Secret Service she was at Mar-a-Lago to use the pool. Club managers believed she was related to another member of the club with the same last name and allowed her in. But when questioned by a receptionist, Zhang's story changed, responding that she was there for a U.N. event that the receptionist knew did not exist.

[06:10:04] MIKE ROGERS, FORMER HOUSE INTELLIGENCE CHAIRMAN: If you were trained, you would never have deviated from what your story was at the front gate to any security checkpoint. It just doesn't feel like a spy effort to me.

HARTUNG: Agents removed Zhang from Mar-a-Lago to interview her. The charging document then says she got verbally aggressive, telling agents she was told by a friend to attend the event and to try to "speak with a member of the president's family about Chinese and American foreign economic relations."

President Trump was staying at Mar-a-Lago at the time but golfing during the incident. The breach is raising questions about security at the club.

REP. JACKIE SPEIER (D-CA), INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: There's a reason why there's Camp David. The president doesn't like it, so he doesn't go there. And so once again, we have a porous Mar-a-Lago.

HARTUNG: The Secret Service issuing a rare statement, insisting that they do not determine who was invited or welcome at Mar-a-Lago, noting that their policies are "no different than that long used at any other site temporarily visited by the president."

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HARTUNG: Agents say while this woman initially said she was headed to the pool, she wasn't carrying a swimsuit on her. And while she initially appeared to not quite comprehend the English language, when she was brought in by investigators, John, she exhibited a very clear understanding of the language.

BERMAN: All right. Kaylee Hartung outside Mar-a-Lago. Outside but apparently, not so hard to get inside, if you want to. Thanks so much, Kaylee. Joining mem now is CNN national security analyst Samantha Vinograd. She's a former senior advisor to the national security advisor.

And Sam, why does this matter? Well, because the president's been to Mar-a-Lago 23 times and counting already. He's gone to his Bedminster resort in New Jersey countless times, as well. He's at his private properties all the time. What questions does this raise for you?

SAMANTHA VINOGRAD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: The question it raises is why isn't Secret Service controlling this site?

I traveled to a dozen countries with President Obama. I was with him continuously at the White House. And there are basic security protocols that Secret Service typically adopts at any site that the president visits.

In this case the president, I believe, was about to return to Mar-a- Lago when this incident happened.

The fact of the matter is that Mar-a-Lago is a high-value soft target every day that the president is there and even when he's off campus. Because Secret Service has yielded control of this site to the management of Mar-a-Lago. What that means is anybody that is friends with a member can enter the site without the basic background checks that visitors to somewhere like the White House go through.

So if you're the Chinese intelligence service, if you're -- you're just someone that wants to hang out with President Trump and his friends and family, all you really have to do is befriend a member and you can walk into Mar-a-Lago. And that could pose an intelligence risk. It could pose a physical security risk. We just don't know.

Why isn't the Secret Service allowed to do their job?

BERMAN: Well, and the Secret Service, to an extent, seemed to throw the club under the bus with this statement when they said, "We do not determine who is invited or welcome at Mar-a-Lago."

VINOGRAD: Never did I ever hear Secret Service make that statement about any site that I visited with President Obama. Because the focus was on protecting the president, protecting him, again, from actual physical threats posed by people. And protecting him from surveillance from unauthorized devices and protecting his systems from any kind of malware or thumb drive that could be plugged into any of the information systems that we had present.

That's why, for example, Secret Service typically does something called a sweep of any room that the president is going to be in to ensure that there are no unauthorized devices and understands who the president is coming into contact with.

BERMAN: So one of the things we're told is that, yes, she could get to the pool and she could get in certain areas but not in the private quarters.

But let me just run down the roster of things she had. Two passports, four cell phones, a laptop, an external thumb drive that had malicious malware.

Now look, if she was a spy, she may have been the worst spy ever, but this roster of devices here, what kind of damage could it do, in theory?

VINOGRAD: Well, if she was a spy, this really shows how hard that -- how hard a foreign intelligence service thinks that they have to try with President Trump. Because she did everything wrong from an intelligence standpoint.

But let's focus on the items that she had, the electronics, for example. She was basically carrying a radio shack bag with her. What that means is these devices pose a physical security threat. They could be -- and I stress it could -- some kind of an improvised explosive device. They could pose a physical security risk.

They also could be a surveillance issue. There could be something on those devices that would allow this woman to listen into conversations, not just between President Trump but other people that are at Mar-a-Lago. And a thumb drive with malicious malware could be plugged into an information security system at Mar-a-Lago.

BERMAN: A whole lot of questions here, Sam. Thanks so much for being with us -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. President Trump seems to be changing his rhetoric about closing the U.S. border with Mexico. The president now says Mexico is actually helping to stop illegal border crossings.

[06:15:06] CNN's Rosa Flores is live in McAllen, Texas, with more. I know people there are very anxious to see what happens with the border.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You're absolutely right, Alisyn. In fact, I talked to some business owners here who say that one day after President Trump threatened to close the border, they started seeing delays in the produce that they get here. They also started losing money.

And so business owners have been glued to their phones, following every tweet and also listening to President Trump's words, including now that he's appearing to backtrack. Take a listen.

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TRUMP: I said I'm closing -- I really wanted to close it. But now Mexico is saying, "No, no, no" -- first time in decades. "We will not let anybody get through." And they've apprehended over a thousand people today.

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FLORES: Now regardless if what the president is saying is based on fact or not, the fact of the matter is, is that uncertainty is bad for business.

I talked to one business owner here who says that since Friday, he has lost between $800 and $1,000.

I talked to another business owner who says that he's been working for 20 years in order for him to achieve being an entrepreneur and a business owner here in the Rio Grande Valley. And he is afraid he's going to lose everything if this uncertainty continues.

And so, you know, this is just a slice of the problem here in the Rio Grande Valley within this Machaon (ph) produce terminal. But this is, in essence, a reflection of what is happening across the country. Because 1.7 billion dollars of goods are traded every single day. We're talking about flat-screen TVs, medical devices and, of course, produce. Like what is processed here in the facility where I am right now.

So business owners here have a very simple message for President Trump. They say, "President Trump, you're a business owner. You should understand that uncertainty is bad for business" -- John.

BERMAN: Rosa Flores for us at the border. Rosa, thank you very much.

We do have breaking news this morning concerning the Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft. The "Wall Street journal" reports that the pilots of the doomed Ethiopian Airlines flight initially followed Boeing's emergency procedures but still could not prevent the jet from crashing.

CNN's Robyn Kriel live in Ethiopia with more -- Robyn.

ROBYN KRIEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, this is very bad news for Boeing.

The scenario that "The Wall Street Journal" painting in their report is that the pilots realized that there was this faulty MCAS system, that they turned it off. They recognized the problem with the automatic trim. They then went to a manual trim option, and this is really the second, the backup option. And then they realized that they could not control the plane still.

And from what we understand from this report, is that they went then, turned the MCAS system back on to try to rectify the problem. However, six minutes into -- into this flight, ET 302, the plane continued to plunge into the ground. And that was, obviously, the last anyone heard from that flight.

Of course, we are still waiting, John, for this preliminary report to be released by the Ethiopian authorities. Leaks coming from high- level FAA briefings from Seattle as well as Paris.

But we do understand that this preliminary report is due to be released any moment now. And in that -- in that report, it will detail just how those 157 people from 35 different nations lost their lives -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Robyn, thank you very much for all of that reporting.

Well, he's made false claims about voter fraud before. Now President Trump is at it again. Is he trying to prepare for a bad outcome for Republicans in 2020?

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[06:22:30] CAMEROTA: The House Judiciary Committee will vote today to authorize a subpoena for the full unredacted Mueller report today. Then what?

Joining us now is John Avlon, CNN senior political analyst; Phil Mudd, a former CIA counterterrorism official and FBI senior intelligence adviser; and Carrie Cordero. She is former counsel to the U.S. assistant attorney general.

Great to have all of your big brains here with us this morning.

John Avlon, if history is any guide and any precedent, should Congress be able to see the unredacted Mueller report?

JOHN AVLON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. Congress has got the ability to subpoena underlying documents. It's actually Republicans pressed this with the Obama Justice Department over the, quote unquote, "Fast and Furious scandal." A judge came in and said, you know, "Obama's team, you cannot Heisman this. You've to turn over the docs."

So you've got a lot of situational ethics in this particular congressional fight. Democrats, you know, advocating for things that Republicans did in the past and Republicans all of a sudden sounding like Democrats did in the past.

BERMAN: So Counselor Carrie Cordero, walk us through the process that will play out here. Barr delivers his report. It's got redactions, and it's missing thing that Democrats want. They then issue the subpoena formally that they're going to authorize in just a few hours. And then what?

CARRIE CORDERO, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: So they'll issue the subpoena. And then they will -- the Justice Department will have to decide whether or not to comply with it. It does seem that, because the attorney general has said up front that he's going to put in the time and effort to decide what is appropriate to provide to Congress and then the public, that he will feel comfortable in those choices.

So I'm inclined to think that then there will be a disagreement about what gets provided. It could be that they negotiate back and forth, and he might decide to provide some additional information or maybe some supporting information.

But it's quite likely that eventually, this could get to a federal court, which might have to decide whether or not to force the Justice Department to provide more information.

But the court would want to see that the parties -- the Justice Department, the attorney general, and Congress -- have taken all steps to try to resolve any disagreements first before a court would weigh in substantively. CAMEROTA: How about you, Phil? Do you worry that some classified

information could sneak out if Congress sees the full unredacted report?

PHIL MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: Wait a minute. Are you asking me whether I fully trust the Congress? Is that like -- what kind of a question is that?

CAMEROTA: A good one.

MUDD: The answer is no. Look, I think there are two questions here.

[06:25:02] One, I think John Avlon hit it on the legal issue and the precedents here. As someone who watched investigations for years, the ability of the federal government during an investigation to turn over your life, financial records, e-mails, phones, talk to your friends and neighbors, talk to you. And then you go into a process where the federal government determines, after invading your life, whether you broke the law and says no.

And then the Congress says, "I want all that information." I suspect not because they just want to know what happened, but because they want to embarrass some people. Some people who were not charged in the Department of Justice investigation. Boy, that makes me really uncomfortable.

And by the way, didn't Jim Comey just say, "We're not charging Hillary Clinton, but let me talk to you about what I think about her email practices"? And everybody said, "You can't do that."

I think the Congress is going to do the same thing, Alisyn.

BERMAN: Phil Mudd has trust issues. That's a headline. That's a headline this morning. And the least surprising headline of the morning.

All right. The president of the United States was speaking to national congressional Republicans and their campaign committee yesterday. I'm not sure what the official venue was. But the practical venue was the Twilight Zone.

Because listen to what the president said about issues of election fraud.

It's coming. I promise.

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TRUMP: We're going to watch those vote tallies. You know, I keep hearing about the election and the various counting measures that they have. There were a lot of close elections that were -- they seemed to -- every single one of them went Democrat. If it was close, they say the Democrat -- there's something going on. You've got -- hey, you've got to be a little more paranoid than you are.

But we have to be a little bit careful. Because I don't like the way the votes are being tallied.

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BERMAN: So it seems to me that he has a problem with the way the votes are being tallied when people he wants to win lose. That's where he has a real problem. I didn't hear him concerned about the rampant election fraud that invalidated an entire election in North Carolina, for instance.

AVLON: No. That's still silent on that one.

This is a flipping of the script, right? It's going from allegations of rampant voter fraud, quote and quote, "illegals voting" in different states, to actually, the problem's the counting. This is a different kind of conspiracy the president seems to be articulating from the bully pulpit.

And it's doubly troubling, because it sets the stage, obviously, for 2020. He's saying don't trust the people counting the votes where Democrats win tight elections.

CAMEROTA: But let's just call it what it is. I mean, this is the president setting --

AVLON: Bonkers?

CAMEROTA: It sounds like the president setting up for in case there's a bad outcome for himself or Republicans in 2020, then it can't be trusted.

AVLON: I'm always reluctant to over-interpret strategy to this president. But he is certainly sowing the seeds to contest certain elections, as he did during the last one. Don't forget, folks. In the lead-up to 2016, he was preparing a whole -- the outcome will be illegitimate, and then he won.

BERMAN: Maybe we should leave it up to the Germans.

AVLON: Maybe.

BERMAN: Where the president's father was born, except not at all.

AVLON: Right.

BERMAN: So before, even, this Twilight Zone speech last night, listen to what the president said about his father. He says his father was born in Germany. Teaser. He wasn't. Listen to this.

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TRUMP: My father is German, right? Was German. And born in a -- a very wonderful place in Germany. And so I have a great feeling for Germany.

My father is from Germany. Both of my parents are from the E.U.

Don't forget. Both of my parents were born in E.U. sectors, OK? I mean, my mother was Scotland. My father was Germany.

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BERMAN: Dad was born in the Bronx.

AVLON: Yes, the Bronx.

CAMEROTA: The wonderful section of Germany called the Bronx, New York.

BERMAN: Phil, how do you see that?

MUDD: Well, I look at where we've been in the past few years. I think it's just that the president has realized, whether he's talking about the Obama birth certificate, or whether he's talking about crowd sizes for the inauguration, or whether he's talking about his father's heritage, he's realized when he goes out to a rally, that people don't care. It's incredible. I mean, that he can say something. Everybody's going to know within 30 seconds by looking at Wikipedia that his father wasn't born in Germany.

And he still realizes that 40 percent of the population says, "Hey, if you can deliver better performance for my IRA, I don't care whether your father was born in the Bronx, which I think is somewhere near Munich, or whether your father was born in New York." He's realized people don't care. That's the remarkable piece.

CAMEROTA: I don't know. I think there's another option, John, which is that he is starting to believe his own concoctions.

AVLON: They're both troubling options.

But look, keep in mind that also, in the past, he's claimed that his family was not German, but Swedish. So there's been a lot of malleability about his past and knowable facts that the president doesn't seem to even be stopped by. And I think Phil's scenario is, in many ways, the most troubling, if he just said it doesn't matter.

CAMEROTA: Guess not. Thank you very much.

Coming up in our 8 a.m. hour, we will speak with the Democratic presidential candidate, Julian Castro. He has a new immigration policy. And so we will dive into that. It's very interesting, some of the things that he's suggesting.