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Brunei's Measures To Punish Adultery And Gay Sex With Death By Stoning Go Into Effect; Theresa May Reaches Across The Aisle, A Move That Is Upsetting Some Brexiteers; Chinese Woman Illegally Enters U.S. President Donald Trump's Holiday Resort With Suspicious Electronic Devices. Aired: 8-9a ET
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST, NEWS STREAM (voice over): Global outrage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a kind of law that doesn't belong in the 21st Century.
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LU STOUT (voice over): Brunei's measures to punish adultery and gay sex with death by stoning go into effect.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The world could expect to see refugees leaving in fear for their lives at this point.
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LU STOUT (voice over): New action for Brexit.
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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I'm offering to sit down with the leader of the opposition and to try to agree a plan.
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LU STOUT (voice over): Theresa May reaches across the aisle, a move that is upsetting some Brexiteers.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I think it's very disappointing.
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LU STOUT (voice over): And an alarming security breach.
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REP. JACKIE SPEIER (D), CALIFORNIA: And so once again, we have a porous Mar-a-Lago.
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LU STOUT (voice over): A Chinese woman illegally enters U.S. President Donald Trump's holiday resort with several suspicious electronic devices.
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA), CHAIRMAN, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: There is this malware that she was either aware she had on the thumb drive.
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LU STOUT (on camera): I'm Kristi Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream." Barbaric to the core, that is how Human Rights Watch
describes Brunei's strict new Islamic laws they call for draconian punishments including limb amputation for theft and death by stoning for
gay sex.
The nation of 450,000 people is ruled by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah who also serves as Prime Minister, and stomachs around the world churn as the Sultan
who has been on the throne for over 50 years insist that his country is, quote, "fair and happy."
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SULTAN HASSANAL BOLKIAH, PRIME MINISTER OF BRUNEI (Through a translator): Touching on the attainment of blessings from Allah, I want to see Islamic
teachings in this country grow stronger and more visible in the country. The system preserves and guarantees the rights of all the people regardless
of their race and faith.
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LU STOUT: Members of the LGBT community inside Brunei, they might take issue with that. They have long lived in fear, especially since 2014 when
the first phase of Sharia law was enacted.
If you are a woman convicted of sex with another woman, it is punishable by 100 lashes. If you are a man convicted of sex with another man, or if you
are having heterosexual sex outside of marriage, you could the death penalty. Reaction has been swift and damning.
The United Nations labels the new laws as cruel and inhumane. The U.S. State Department says they run counter to Brunei's international human
rights obligations, and celebrities led by the Oscar winning actor, George Clooney are calling for boycotts of Brunei owned hotels.
He asks in an op-ed, "Are we really going to help fund the murder of innocent citizens?" The person you're about to meet is from Brunei, but he
was forced to flee because he criticized the government on social media. Since he's been in exile, he's been able to come out as gay and he has been
witnessing these changes in his home country from afar.
Shahiran Shahrani joins me now from Canada and sir, thank you for joining me and what are you feeling right now as you watch from afar these
draconian laws as they go into effect in your home country of Brunei?
SHAHIRAN SHAHRANI, EXILED BRUNEIAN: Hi, Kristie. Hello. It's very difficult for me to process it even after, like, you know, several days of
talking to the media and stuff and then people keep asking me the same thing. I still can't really fathom the idea of my country installing such
horrific punishment for people just like me and for the simple reason that we are just being who we are.
LU STOUT: And Shahiran, you were forced to flee Brunei in October after making a critical post about the government on Facebook and only in exile
were you able to finally come out as gay. Was this something you really had to hide in fear while you were living inside Brunei?
SHAHRANI: Yes, it was. Even before these laws came out, it was still illegal to be gay in Brunei, and people -- I've never heard of anybody in
Brunei actually coming out and say, "Hey, look at me, I'm gay." It was something that I always that felt I needed to hide.
My mom would tell me, like -- I remember my mom seeing -- she saw somebody who was trans on the streets, and then she turned to me and said, "If
you're ever a "pondan," I will disown you." You know, and then I was only like 16 at the time, and then I looked at her and going, "Why would you say
that?" You know, because I've always been straight acting as well. I don't think I gave any signs of being gay.
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SHAHRANI: But I think, maybe she knows on some level that I was and then she was afraid that I would show it, and then that was just something that
I've always had to live with. Yes, I always taught to be afraid that people would find out.
LU STOUT: This is something that you had to hide from your own family, from people when you were living in Brunei, but did you ever expect that it
would come to this, that adultery and gay sex could get you stoned to death in Brunei?
SHAHRANI: When you say that, just chills run down my spine. Like, you know, no. I never expected that to ever happen. We were told to expect
that something like this would always come about from the early school. We were taught Sharia law was going to be the law of the land. That this was
going to be what we were going to install in the country.
But ever since 2014, even though the King announced that he was going to put in Sharia law, it's not that I never took him seriously. I never took
-- I could never imagine it in the country. And then it just took so long for this one to be put in.
The law that I criticized about Halal certification, that came in phase one and that took extremely long to put in; like and then suddenly, phase two
and three, suddenly, they just rushed it. They just -- we are going to install this two concurrently, and it was such a surprise.
LU STOUT: Yes, these phases have come through and now we have this scary reality inside Brunei. The LGBTQ community who are still inside the
country, you must be thinking about them. What is your message to them?
SHAHRANI: So many of them are my friends and some of them are actually members of my family. I think about them every day and my message to them
is you need to really think about your safety. I know that most people there can't fathom the fact that they will be under this law, they are
under this law and they might be charged and most of them will go, look, it takes four witnesses before they can be charged to be stoned to death and
I'm thinking, no, yes, that may be true, but it doesn't take that many witnesses for you to be thrown in jail. It doesn't take that many
witnesses for you to be accused of gay sex and a fine being installed on you or you being whipped or all three at once. So I will say to them, try
and stay safe as long as you can and try to get out like I did.
LU STOUT: Yes, and because of what you described, I mean, there has been, as you know, global outrage about these new laws. What do you make of the
international protests and the calls for boycotts? Do you think that they could make a difference?
SHAHRANI: Especially the boycotts for -- at first I thought no, this can't make a difference, right, because those hotels are vanity projects --
vanity projects by the royals and the Brunei Investment Agency. They are is just spare money - spare change for them.
But then I realized there is a friend of mine who went, "Oh, your country is being boycotted." Internationally, they are doing it, and I realized
like you know, what it does is, it focuses international attention on to the country.
Without George Clooney, Elton John and the like and Ellen DeGeneres -- without these people like bringing attention to the country, they won't be
such a focus. So I have to thank you people like them. I have to say thank you very much for helping focus the world upon Brunei because it's
very important for Brunei and even the Royals to keep face. Their concept of keeping face is very important to the country, and by forcing people to
look at it through the boycotts, it's harder and harder for Brunei to keep face in the face of that.
LU STOUT: Shahiran, we must thank you -- we must thank you for bravely speaking out and for sharing your story with the world and for sharing your
message to members of the LGBTQ community still inside the country. A lot of concerns, deep concerns about them. Thank you so much and take care.
SHAHRANI: Thank you.
LU STOUT: We are monitoring the political situation in the U.K., meanwhile Prime Minister Theresa May, she has been taking questions from lawmakers
ahead of this crucial Brexit talks with the opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn.
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LU STOUT: Meanwhile, Prime Minister Theresa May, she has been taking questions from lawmakers ahead of this crucial Brexit talks with the
opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn. Compromise is in the air, but as we all know, time is running out.
On Tuesday, May announced that she would ask the E.U. for another extension to the Brexit process. Without one, the U.K. is set to leave the E.U. next
Friday with or without a deal?
CNN's Erin McLaughlin is at E.U. headquarters in Brussels, and she joins us now and Erin, we know that Theresa May, she has asked for yet another
Brexit extension. But how is the E.U. viewing that request?
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Yes, well, she is actually yet to make a concrete request, a concrete ask of the European Union. Essentially
what she did last night, Kristie, is put forward a kind of a vague plan saying that she is prepared to go across the aisle, try and reach some sort
of agreement with Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the opposition that could ultimately lead to her withdrawal agreement being pushed through the House
of Commons with a clear majority and then then come to the E.U. to request an extension. Failing that, she said, that she would deflect to the
indicative vote process.
So there are lots of questions here in the eyes of the E.U. A lot of unknowns and few knowns at this point. So based on conversations I'm
having here in Brussels, they're very much in a wait and see mode.
Keep in mind, time is tight at this point. There's that extraordinary Summit scheduled here in Brussels for next week. The new cliff edge is
April 12th. So there's not a lot of time for the sides to figure this out.
One consistent red line and all of this to any extension request that I'm detecting from conversations I'm having here in Brussels with diplomats and
E.U. officials is the parliamentary elections. Multiple people have said to me, it's hard to see a scenario, a request for an extension put forward
that would not include the U.K.'s participation in those elections, which Theresa May has said she does not want to do.
The other sort of mood I'm detecting as well from all of these conversations is skepticism. They're very skeptical here in Brussels that
Theresa May is going to be able to pull this off.
LU STOUT: Erin McLaughlin, reporting live from Brussels. Thank you. Now unsettling new details are emerging in the crash of Ethiopian Airlines
Flight 302. "The Wall Street Journal" citing sources familiar with the investigation says that the pilots initially followed emergency procedures
outlined by Boeing. But still, they were not able to gain control of the Boeing 737 MAX 8, the aircraft that nose dive into the ground on March
10th, killing all 157 people on board.
Now CNN has not been able to confirm details of the journal's report. Robyn Kriel joins us now from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia and Robyn, a disturbing
report revealing how pilots, they follow the procedures laid out by Boeing and yet the plane still crashed.
ROBYN KRIEL, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Well, indeed and Kristie, one pilot mentioned to me earlier that if this is the case, the scenario that "The
Wall Street Journal" painted in that article, then Boeing quote, "has created a monster." So extremely scary final moments of this article turns
out to be true.
From what we understand, pilots recognized the problem was with that automatic trim, that MCAS, that faulty MCAS system anti-stall that then
deactivated that that is what Boeing said to do and it's emergency procedures following the Lion Air crash, at least that's what "The Wall
Street Journal" is reporting.
But then the pilot still struggled to pull the nose of the plane up and from what sounds like, they then reactivated that MCAS system. Now again,
this is just reporting coming from "The Wall Street Journal." We are waiting here in Addis Ababa for the preliminary report to be released. It
can take up to one month for the report to be released, but we do understand according to sources that it is (audio break) at some point
being released soon.
We were hearing it is going to be Monday and then today, but a lot of -- as you can imagine, families, 157 people died on board that flight, people
desperate for answers here in Addis Ababa.
LU STOUT: Yes, desperate for answers and you went inside the simulator for the Boeing 737 MAX 8 there in Ethiopia. Were the emergency procedures led
up by Boeing in that simulator and the handbook, are they simply not enough?
KRIEL: We were told by several people and it has been reported, Kristie, that the MCAS system that there is no mention in that handbook. Now,
according to this "Wall Street Journal" article, the Lion Air crash -- after that Lion Air crash, there was some more emergency procedures put in
place by Boeing (audio break) and bulletin I believe they call it was released, telling pilots what to do in case of this faulty simulator.
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KRIEL: However, in that exact handbook that was - that we were shown in the sim that we were shown, there was not one that existed. And what
pilots have told us is that that simulator essentially is the pilot's home for several months when they're learning how to pilot a certain aircraft
and in this case, the 737 MAX 8. They learn all sorts of procedures, and according to people familiar with that simulator, they said that that
simulator did not emulate the same problem that this MCAS -- faulty anti- stall device gave off to the pilots, that it was not in any of those scripts.
So you can imagine the terror, six minutes of terror after pilots took off from Bole International here in Addis Ababa. They were in the air for six
minutes fighting to keep the plane from nose diving with warning systems and bells and warnings going off in their cockpit, finally unable to hold,
fight the plane and it plunged into a field south of Addis Ababa.
LU STOUT: Robyn Kriel reporting for us from Addis Ababa, thank you. You're watching "News Stream" and still to come right here in the program,
Venezuela's pro-Maduro government ups the pressure on Juan Guaido, we will have a live report from Caracas on the latest in the power struggle there.
Plus, it is being called Malaysia's trial of this century -- a scandal involving expensive real estate, a luxury yacht and billions of dollars and
at the center of it all, a former Prime Minister.
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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back. This is "News Stream." Now in Venezuela, the government of Nicolas Maduro is stepping up
the pressure on National Assembly President Juan Guaido.
The National Constituent Assembly, a pro-Maduro body has voted to allow an investigation of Guaido to move forward and that is raising speculation he
could face arrest.
Now, CNN's David McKenzie joins us now live in Caracas, and David, where does this investigation stand now? How close are we to seeing Guaido
getting stripped of immunity?
DAVID MCKENZIE, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Well, certainly that effectively did strip him of immunity because by voting to continue the investigation, this
rubber stamp body that is loyal to Maduro is piling the pressure on and moving closer towards the possible arrest of the opposition leader, Juan
Guaido, who is really recognized as the Interim President of this country by many, many countries.
At the same time of this political maneuver by the regime, Venezuela is in a dire humanitarian situation.
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MCKENZIE (voice over): Venezuela's President could always count on this neighborhood in Caracas for support. Now they want Nicolas Maduro out.
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ANTONIO PEREIRA, UNEMPLOYED MECHANIC: They no have water, no have electricity, no have security, no have so many things and the hospital. We
have broke down.
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PEREIRA: The Venezuela right now is broke down.
MCKENZIE (on camera): Are you angry right now?
PEREIRA: Oh, yes. Very angry. Very angry.
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MCKENZIE (voice over): Angry and some are asking for help. "President Trump, come and help us," she says, "We cannot take it anymore."
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We'll see. We'll see.
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MCKENZIE (voice over): Trump hasn't ruled anything out.
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TRUMP: All -- just so you understand, all options are open.
NICOLAS MADURO, EMBATTLED PRESIDENT OF VENEZUELA (Through a translator): Donald Trump said he had all options on the table. They didn't go ahead
with the invasion because they couldn't. They went ahead with the sabotage of the electrical service instead.
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MCKENZIE (voice over): Maduro blames the nationwide blackouts on the U.S., but years of government mismanagement and corruption and little money for
maintenance has hammered the grid. U.S. oil sanctions could make it difficult to fix. So the shops are shuttered. And the people jam into
buses for the shortened work day.
A draft U.S. report seen by CNN found that more than 90 percent of Venezuelans now live in poverty. Even in the capital, it's a struggle for
the very basics.
"Listen, brother, us, Venezuelans are very upset," says Javier. "If it was up to me, we would have forced this government out."
More than three million people have fled Venezuela because of this. The U.N. believes almost two million could leave just this year. But one man
still refuses to go.
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MCKENZIE (on camera): Well, the President is digging in, Kristie, and so are his generals. They are making attempts to get the electricity back up
and running the subway, at least in the last few, well, at least the last day or so here in the capital has managed to work, but out in rural areas,
certainly, the electricity blackouts have been consistent.
Now Juan Guaido in response to the move by the assembly to investigate him says he doesn't even recognize the rubber stamp assembly, and he called on
his supporters to hit the streets again this Saturday, possibly leading to another confrontation in this crisis in Venezuela.
LU STOUT: Yes, these sort of conflicting dynamics at play here. We have growing anger, anger against Maduro, yet the military remains on his side.
Guaido is under investigation. What is your feeling about the battle for power in Venezuela? Is it tipping in favor of Nicolas Maduro?
MCKENZIE: Well, that's certainly the sentiment you get from speaking to people who have long watched this country here on the ground in Venezuela,
that at least the momentum at this stage is with the President. Now, that is, in one way hard to contemplate because so many external countries have
turned it back on the Venezuelan regime.
But at the same time, China, Russia, Cuba, for sure, and a handful of other countries are sticking by Maduro, giving them material support and military
support. And that might mean that he could stay in the medium term, at the very least. It also seems like the Trump administration is trying to warn
people that this won't be a speedy resolution in Venezuela, given the fact that the generals and the top leadership of the government are sticking by
the President at the stage.
I think the opposition will try gain some momentum in the coming days, but it might be difficult for them as it stands today, but this is a very fluid
situation.
LU STOUT: Yes, very fluid situation but powerful players are keeping Maduro in power. David McKenzie reporting live from Caracas. Thank you.
Now a high profile, high stakes trial is underway in Malaysia. Former Prime Minister Najib Razak is now in court for a long delayed trial on
corruption and abuse of power. He denies any wrongdoing. Ivan Watson has more on Najib's epic fall from grace.
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IVAN WATSON, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, CNN (voice over): It is Malaysia's trial of the century. Former Prime Minister Najib Razak
defending himself against charges of corruption, charges to which he has pleaded not guilty. Najib's incredible fall from grace began in 2016 when
the U.S. Department of Justice implicated high ranking Malaysian officials in an elaborate corruption scheme.
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LORETTA LYNCH, FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL: The Department of Justice has filed a civil complaint seeking to forfeit and recover more
than $1 billion in assets associated with an international conspiracy to launder funds stolen from One Malaysia Development Berhad, or 1MDB.
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WATSON (voice over): Najib's government set up 1MDB as a sovereign wealth fund, but in 2016, U.S. authorities moved to seize luxury property
allegedly purchased with stolen 1MDB money, including mansions and penthouse apartments in New York and L.A.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-six thousand dollars for one [bleep] dinner.
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WATSON (voice over): The rights to the films "Wolf of Wall Street, and "Dumb and Dumber 2" and this $250 million super yacht. U.S. authorities
claimed a key mastermind in the 1MDB scandal was Jho Low, a suspect who is now in hiding, and also asserting his innocence.
This flashy Malaysian financier was a friend of Najib's stepson who rubbed shoulders with Hollywood celebrities and allegedly sent jewelry and
payments to some on Justice Department indictments identified as Malaysian official number one. That official, widely believed to be Najib Razak.
In May 2018, a political earthquake shook Malaysia when the opposition unexpectedly trounced Najib's party in national elections.
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MARC LOURDES, JOURNALIST: Today is the most significant moment in the country's history since independence in 1957.
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WATCON (voice over): Malaysian police then moved swiftly, raiding Najib's properties, seizing $225 million worth of jewelry, luxury handbags and
cash. Soon after, Malaysian authorities pressed charges against Najib.
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LIM GUAN ENG, MALAYSIAN FINANCE MINISTER: The critical question would be, why did the Prime Minister allow Jho Low who just graduated from college to
run riot? To do as he pleased?
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WATSON (voice over): Najib claims the charges against him are politically motivated. And he's even recorded and released this song on social media
to make his case. Songs won't protect the former Prime Minister in court, however, where he faces a possible sentence of more than 20 years in jail
if convicted.
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WATSON (on camera): Kristie, Najib Razak has been charged for nearly a year with these criminal charges, and yet he continues to walk freely in
Malaysia and has been mounting his own campaign on social media to try to attract and gain more support, a very effective campaign on Twitter,
Instagram, Facebook as well.
Meanwhile, the Attorney General's Office has been mounting its own PR campaign so to speak, it announced that that super yacht from the report
worth some $250 million, the ship Equanimity, which was allegedly purchased with embezzled funds from 1MDB, the Attorney General announced that the
state managed to sell it at the price of $126 million, meaning, whoever purchased it got it at a ticket price of nearly 50% off -- Kristie.
LU STOUT: Too many mind boggling numbers in that report. Ivan Watson reporting for us. You're watching "News Stream." We'll be back right
after this.
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LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. Welcome back, you're watching "News Stream." Now back to the U.K. now where Theresa May has
been facing off against the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn in PMQs. They've been on the air to leaders. They are about to put their differences aside,
though to try to reach a compromise over the ongoing Brexit stalemate.
But what are the chances of success here? Now I'm joined by Alastair Campbell, former communications director for Prime Minister Tony Blair and
a supporter of another Brexit referendum. Sir, thank you so much for joining us this day. News of the day - Theresa May is reaching out to
Jeremy Corbyn to going to discuss the Brexit way forward. Does this mean that the U.K. is definitely leave it?
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR: Well, listen, I hope not. But I think what she's trying to -- look
she's desperate. This was a -- there was a seven-hour meeting of the Cabinet yesterday and she came out and this was the best she had to offer.
She wants to sit down with Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party, and try to agree a Brexit that they can then get support for in the House
of Commons and get it over the line. I just don't see it happening.
Added to which I don't think it was really serious grown up policy. She didn't tell him that she was planning to announce it. She just announced
it on TV. That was the first that he'd heard of it. And, you know, we had a very, very surreal session in Parliament just now at the weekly Prime
Minister's Questions where Brexit barely figured, because I guess they just want to take the heat out before they meet today.
But I don't believe that this will necessarily get -- it certainly won't get her deal over the line. I don't believe that. But I think also she's
gifted Jeremy Corbyn something because here's a guy that they constantly say is utterly unfit to be Prime Minister. And now she's basically saying,
"I can't do this without you." And I hope that what he does is force her to say that under no circumstances are we going to allow no deal to happen,
for the U.K. to crash out without a deal.
Also, to make her go to the European Union and ask for the long extension that we now need to try to make sense of this crazy stuff going on in this
place. And the third thing, to make sure that she understands that the Brexit that was promised - what we're talking about now is so far removed
from the Brexit that was promised in the referendum that there has to be a confirmatory referendum on whatever the outcome.
LU STOUT: Theresa May is pressing ahead with Brexit with these cross party talk, she is due to ask for another extension with the E.U., of course, you
sir, are a resolute remainer. Do you fear that your dream of staying in E.U. is still alive?
CAMPBELL: Well, listen, I don't have a dream about the E.U. I am first and foremost British and I really hate what the country is doing to its
self. And is that dream alive? It most certainly is. Because I think that she's -- look, she is now running out a road. She's trying to kick
this can further and further down the road. She's really been pushed to a position I think where she's now got -- she's only going to have two
options left. One is an election and one is a referendum.
Her deal is dead, it's just not going to go through. I don't believe anything happens between now and then. And the European Union, they have
been so reasonable. I mean, they get so much abuse from our politicians, they get so much abuse from our media. But actually, they understand that
there is a groundswell now in the United Kingdom, to look at this again.
And so -- and actually, it's a huge prize for the European Union for this not to happen. So I really, really, really do believe that the country is
changing its mind. I think so many people now regret the referendum. They regret the vote. Now, I don't pretend there are millions of people whose -
they don't care - they want out, whatever. I understand that. But where is the center of gravity of public opinion now? To my mind, it has moved and
is continuing to move fast and substantially.
LU STOUT: And the world has been watching the Brexit deadlock with shock, surprise, with frustration as it just continues to grind on and on. I saw
your tweet that you sent out just moments before the interview saying you're going to do CNN to try to persuade the world that the U.K. need not
be a basket case forever. So how do you answer that? How do you prove that to international viewers? And why is it so difficult for the U.K.
government to honor the result of the referendum and exercise a direct democracy that did ask for Brexit?
CAMPBELL: Well, there's a very simple answer to that. We are a parliamentary democracy. And David Cameron decided for his own internal
political reasons, as a tactic to help him through the election ...
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CAMPBELL: ... he decided to offer a referendum. And what has happened since the referendum is the government and Parliament have tried to make
sense of Brexit, but they've discovered the negotiations have made this clear, the Brexit that was promised is undeliverable. We cannot do this
without damaging the country.
So what MPs are being asked to do is to vote for something, to support something that in their hearts, they know is going to damage the country.
Now there's a minority in there who don't care. They believe that any price is worth paying to get out of the European Union. That's a
legitimate principle view. It just happens to be one that the majority now think is going to damage the country.
And so what they've been asked to do is to square a circle. And you know what? You can't square circles, and you can't have your cake and eat it.
And that's why it is proving so difficult.
LU STOUT: Alastair Campbell, thank you so much for joining us. A lot of people listened to what you said just now. It was a good explanation that
we needed to hear. Thank you.
Now meanwhile, we are learning more about this alleged security breach that took place at Mar-a-Lago, this is Donald Trump's resort in Florida.
Federal prosecutors, they filed charges against the Chinese national on Monday for illegally entering the property last weekend. Kaylee Hartung
has more.
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KAYLEE HARTUNG, CORRESPONDENT, CNN (voice over): Federal prosecutors filing charges against Chinese national Yujing Zhang, who they say
illegally entered President Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida last weekend and lied about it.
Prosecutors say Zhang was carrying two Chinese passports, four cell phones, a laptop computer, an external hard drive type device and the thumb drive
that contained quote, "malicious malware."
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA), CHAIRMAN, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Is this malware that she was aware she had on the thumb drive? Was it intended to
be planted in some fashion? We don't know the answer those questions.
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HARTUNG (voice over): According to the complaint, Zhang initially told Secret Service she was at Mar-a-Lago to use the pool. Club managers
believe she was related to another member of the club with the same last name and allowed her in. But when questioned by a receptionist, Zhang's
story changed, responding that she was there for a UN event that the receptionist knew did not exist.
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MIKE ROGERS, FORMER U.S. HOUSE INTELLIGENCE CHAIRMAN: If you were trained, you would never have deviated from what your story was at the front gate to
any security checkpoint. It just doesn't feel like a spy effort to me.
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HARTUNG (voice over): Agents removed Zhang from Mar-a-Lago to interview her. The charging document then says she got verbally aggressive telling
agents she was told by a friend to attend the event and to try to speak with a member of the President's family about Chinese and American foreign
economic relations.
President Trump was staying at Mar-a-Lago at the time, but golfing during the incident. The breach is raising questions about security at the club.
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SPEIER: There's a reason why there is Camp David. The President doesn't like it, so he doesn't go there. And so once again, we have a porous Mar-
a-Lago.
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HARTUNG (voice over): The Secret Service, issuing a rare statement, insisting that they do not determine who was invited or welcome at Mar-a-
Lago, noting that their policies are no different than that long-used it any other site temporarily visited by the President.
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LU STOUT: This is "News Stream." Will be back right after the break.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back, all this week, CNN is exploring the travel trends that are catching on in India. Now in a departure from the traditional
tour bus, many travelers are taking the wheel themselves.
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LU STOUT: We catch a ride with a New Delhi motorbike company that offers an extraordinary view of the country.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): For some travelers, there's no better way to see a country than from the perch of a motorcycle, where the freedom and
romance of a road trip can be experienced firsthand.
For Alexander Zurcher, a love of motorbikes was born here in Delhi, where he first learned how to ride during an exchange program.
ALEXANDER ZURCHER, DIRECTOR, VINTAGE RIDES: I've cruised a lot of other countries. At the end of that year, I thought that it has been an amazing
experience traveling with the motorcycle, it creates a real and authentic contacts with the population.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over); That's how Zurcher got the idea to start Vintage Rides in 2006.
The travel company organizes motorcycle tours in 10 countries, most of which are in India.
ZURCHER: I think motorcycle tourism is developing all over the world and especially in India.
Welcome all of you in India, and especially in Rajasthan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Today, this group of French and British riders is gearing up for an 11-day trip throughout the culturally-rich
state of Rajasthan. Their first day of riding begins here at a gas station in a small village just outside of New Delhi.
Along the dusty roads that cut through sleepy hamlets and semi-arid landscapes, it's only a matter of time before the riders stumble upon a
scene of interest, a "mela" or village fair where locals are gathered for a bit of commerce and amusement.
ZURCHER: Today, like we have visited one festival, which was not actually in our itinerary. We can go beyond the itinerary. We can stop wherever we
want to stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): At last, the riders reach the town of Mandawa where they will be staying the night and this traditional mansion
known as a "haveli."
Between the 17th and 19th Centuries, the wealthy merchants of the Shekhawati region built these ornate havelis as a way of flaunting their
riches.
Tonight, the haveli will be a home for these motorcyclists weary after a long day's travel.
ZURCHER: To me, travel happens when you start having some unexpected encounters. We take our group of riders on the beaten tracks, in the
villages where people are not used to see tourists.
So what happens is always unexpected. That is the magic of the motorcycle.
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LU STOUT: Okay, I need to update the bucket list. That was amazing and that is "News Stream." I am Kristie Lu Stout, but don't go anywhere,
"World Sport" with Christina Mcfarlane is next.
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