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Ethiopia Says Initial Findings Into The 737 MAX 8 Crash Recommends The Manufacturer To Take Urgent Action; Cathay Pacific May Not Have The 737 MAX In Its Fleet, But Will It Shy Away From Purchasing More Boeing Planes; Carlos Ghosn Re-Arrested. Aired: 8-9a ET

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, HOST, NEWS STREAM: I'm Kristi Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to "News Stream." Boeing under scrutiny: Ethiopia says initial

findings into the 737 MAX 8 crash recommends the manufacturer to take urgent action. Aviation safety: Cathay Pacific may not have the 737 MAX

in its fleet, but will it shy away from purchasing more Boeing planes? We speak to its CEO. And Carlos Ghosn re-arrested. The former Nissan CEO's

lawyer calls it ridiculous while prosecutors hint at destroyed evidence.

Ethiopian investigators are calling for urgent action from Boeing over last month's plane crash that killed 157 people. They are urging Boeing to

review the automated anti-stall software on the 737 MAX 8. Ethiopia's Transport Minister says the crew of Flight 302 followed emergency

procedures multiple time in the moments before the plane crashed to the ground killing everyone on board.

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DAMAWIT MOGES, ETHIOPIAN MINISTER OF TRANSPORT: The takeoff roll appeared very normal and the fourth one is, the crew performed all the procedures,

repeatedly, provided by the manufacturer, but was not able to control the aircraft.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Robyn Kriel is in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. She joins us now live. And Robyn, after days of leaked reports, the findings from the preliminary

report is out. What do they reveal and what do they recommend?

ROBYN KRIEL, JOURNALIST: Well, days of leaked reports and three weeks of agony for families, Kristie, trying to figure out what could have been the

cause behind ET 302's crash here just south of Addis Ababa, just a portion really of the preliminary report if we could call it that and I am sure

Richard Quest might have more to say on that being released today.

The recommendations still though very damning for Boeing but also asking questions of the Federal Aviation Agency recommendations reviewing this

flight system, the flight control system that everyone is talking about and they're saying review it and fix it, basically. That's aimed at Boeing.

And then at aviation authorities, this shows that they need to check, they need to review that review essentially and make sure that it is adequate

and we believe that this is directed at the FAA.

Boeing and the FAA really come under scrutiny because this is obviously the second deadly crash since October, the Lion Air crash, a lot of people

asking why those 3673 MAX's weren't grounded after that crash in October and those -- obviously those calls, those questions growing louder.

Ethiopia has had five 737 MAX's, they have now four since the crash and they have 25 on order. So if that goes to tell you just how it's affecting

our fleet here.

LU STOUT: Yes, and also how this has affected the victim's families. As you said, this has been an agonizing week for them. How are they reacting

to these initial findings?

KRIEL: Sadly -- extremely sadly. We do understand there are already some talks of lawsuits from some of the victims' families, not coming from this

end of Addis Ababa, but we're understanding that they're being launched in other parts of the world. Not so much anger yet, but just mostly the fact

that no matter what, these people aren't coming back. Of course, they do want answers, and they most importantly want to understand what happened in

those last six minutes.

I think what is crucial for family members to know is just that their family members weren't all that scared as their family members were

plummeting really into the ground and we're told by a number of psychological experts that the G force at that point would have probably

meant that they didn't feel very much.

LU STOUT: Yes, but, you know, 157 lives lost and families still waiting for additional answers, still waiting to have the remains identified, as

well. Robyn Kriel reporting for us live from Addis Ababa. We thank you.

Now, also under scrutiny, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration. The Senate is investigating whether FAA inspectors who reviewed the Boeing 737

MAX for certification were properly trained. It is just one of several probes launched after whistleblowers raised questions.

The Justice Department has also issued multiple subpoenas as part of the FAA certification and Boeing's marketing of the MAX 8. Now, Boeing says it

is working on a software fix for the plane which is currently grounded worldwide.

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LU STOUT: Now joining me now, CNN transportation analyst, Mary Schiavo. She is an attorney who represents families of airline crash victims. And

she has litigation pending against Boeing as we speak. But first to CNN business editor-at-large, Richard Quest, following developments from Oslo

and Richard, according to these initial findings, the pilots followed the procedures. The crew was certified. They had the training. So does the

blame lay fully on Boeing and its MCAS system?

RICHARD QUEST, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, CNN BUSINESS: Blame is a very difficult word, but I know what you mean. It will appear, judging by what the

Minister said and what we've heard that they were qualified, that they operated the aircraft exactly as Boeing had intended, including the MCAS

fix.

Remember from Lion Air, switch off the stabilizer trim machine motor, and you should be all right. Well, apparently they did that and they weren't

all right. So for some inexplicable reason, they switched it back on again. We'll get the details of why in the full report.

So from that point of view, yes, the focus does turn firmly, fairly and squarely on Boeing. And to that extent, Boeing has, of course, is already

doing exactly what they've recommended in this report, which is look at the MCAS and review and make changes and look at the certification, a process

in the verification before you allow the plane to fly.

LU STOUT: That's right, as you said, Boeing is on it. The focus is on Boeing, but also on the FAA. Now, Mary, the U.S. Federal Aviation

Administration certified the MAX 8. It expressed confidence in this MCAS system. So what do these preliminary findings do to the credibility of

U.S. aircraft safety, regulation and oversight?

MARY SCHIAVO, TRANSPORTATION ANALYST, CNN (via Skype): Well, the credibility of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration was already pretty

low. And of course, this wasn't the first that the government had information or knowledge that their inspectors really weren't doing their

job.

An Office of Inspector General report -- my old office -- came out in 2015 and said that the FAA did not have a handle on its oversight over Boeing

and that once Congress allowed way back in 2005 to 2009 this program of designated inspectors went into place that the FAA never got really control

or a handle on how they were inspecting Boeing, and then these most recent whistleblowers is that they weren't trained.

So the FAA, you know, the U.S. aviation certification used to be the gold standard. And I think the FAA has finally blown that image. I think it's,

you know, it might be tin plated right now.

LU STOUT: And, Richard, back to what this means for Boeing and for Boeing's bottom line. Earlier today, we spoke to the Cathay Pacific CEO

here in Hong Kong, Rupert Hogg. He says that his airline will continue to purchase planes from Boeing, of course, the Boeing 737 MAX, not part of his

fleet, but he is confident about Boeing. What about other airlines? Could they shy away from Boeing?

QUEST: Well, he should be confident about Boeing because the plane maker has an excellent, superb, enviable reputation, which of course, is now in

jeopardy. And it's in jeopardy for these three or four facts, which really set out the clarity. We can get lost in technology and all of this, but it

really comes down to one.

They were brand new planes that had just been recently certified by the U.S. administration; two, two of them crashed. Three, there was a new

system on board that pilots didn't know about and hadn't been told about but was clearly an operating force in both those crashes. Four, there are

questions over the verification process.

Now once you've taken those questions, and you boldly lay them out, you don't have to go very far to say it is up to Boeing to now do a job of

restoring confidence in their planes. And I don't mean the planes flying around, the 777 has been around years and is a perfect instrument.

The 737s are brilliant, the 767 is a workhorse, the 787 is performing beautifully, but this plane, the 737 MAX 8 and the new 777 X which is due

to start flying. On these aircraft, Boeing is going -- you know, the onus is on Boeing to prove that they've changed to an element of safety on it.

LU STOUT: Absolutely, and Mary, let's talk more about the new system. You know, on the 737 MAX, the MCAS system, the anti-stall system, because this

is something we talked about before, months ago after the Lion Air crash. Should more had been done after that disaster?

SCHIAVO: Well, yes and as a Richard pointed out, this is a control surface part of the plane and now there's a big debate going on ...

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SCHIAVO: ... whether it was an anti-stall system or trim control system. The words don't matter at this point, because it is clear that this system,

especially with the information in the report that even doing what Boeing instructed the pilots to do, and remember, pilot training and pilot

instruction, are also another product that Boeing sells, so they failed in that product as well.

But because this was truly a control system of the plane, U.S. regulation standards and all aviation nations around the world, say that if it is a

control system that you have to have redundancy, and what happens if you have two systems that disagree? So they say in many cases, you have to

have triple redundancy so you can sort out the discrepancies, and that wasn't that wasn't done here.

And the question is going to be, well, Boeing knew that this was a control part of the plane, why did it not put forth a redundancy in the system?

And why did the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration not require it?

So I think it's going to go beyond just the MCAS and go back to the very stability of the plane. Is this plane certifiable without the software

patch? And if so, why? And if not, why was this MCAS put in to solve what appears to be a center of gravity problem, a pitch up problem with the

plane? Lots of questions remain.

LU STOUT: Richard, do you have something to add to that?

QUEST: I just want to follow on from what Mary was saying. The reality is here that, yes, the 737 MAX have been flying for some time, but we don't

know exactly how many cases of MCAS activation had been successfully maneuvered. So it's fine. You know, this is a machinery, this is a

device, this is a software that activated and the result was failure.

We do not know of course, whether they could ever have operated satisfactorily so far. The onus is on Boeing.

LU STOUT: Key additional questions that need to be answered. Richard Quest and Mary Schiavo, we thank you for analysis. Take care.

Now, two dozen families of the people who died in that October Lion Air crash, they are today demanded the airline compensate them $88,000.00

required by Indonesian law without having to forfeit their right. Their lawyer say an insurance company has paid only the 68 families who signed

releases and discharge forms. They argue those forums not only forfeit their rights to sue Lion Air, but also Boeing and 1,000 other potential

defendants. CNN has requested comment from Lion Air, but we have yet to receive a response.

Keep it right here on CNN because coming up, we have part one of our two- part series with the CEO of Cathay Pacific, what Rupert Hogg has to say about aviation safety, and why he is sticking with Boeing. That's coming

up in about 20 minutes.

Now, Tokyo prosecutors, they say Carlos Ghosn was rearrested on Thursday partly due to the possibility of destroying evidence. Japanese prosecutors

are now accusing the ex-Nissan boss of diverting $5 million of Nissan's funds into a subsidiary controlled by him. Ghosn is awaiting trial on

charges that he understated his earnings and abused his position. He denies any wrongdoing. This is the fourth time he's been arrested,

something that his lawyer has called ridiculous.

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JUNICHIRO HIRONAKA, CARLOS GHOSN'S LAWYER (Through a translator): To once again arrest someone who was released under bail is very exceptional. This

is a very obvious fact. Someone who was under bail is someone the court has acknowledged is following their conditions of release, conditions of

bail that there is no risk of tampering with evidence or of fleeing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Okay, let's now bring in CNN Business reporter Sherisse Pham who has been following the story and Sherisse, tell us more about these new

allegations and why Carlos Ghosn was arrested yet again.

SHERISSE PHAM, REPORTER, CNN BUSINESS: Well, Kristie, prosecutors are saying that these new charges against Carlos Ghosn were enough to arrest

him for a fourth time, perhaps the fourth time will be the charm, right?

Prosecutors saying that Nissan between 2015 and 2018 sent payments to an overseas Nissan dealer and that some of that money was diverted to a

company that was actually controlled by Carlos Ghosn and then Ghosn tapped into that money and used it for his own personal use. This of course is

against the law.

And so Carlos Ghosn denying those charges saying in a statement to CNN this morning, calling his arrest outrageous, an arbitrary and vowing that he

would quote "not be broken." But now the timing of today's arrest of course is really interesting, Kristie, because it comes just a day after

Carlos Ghosn took to Twitter, sent his first tweet and announced that he would tell the truth about the charges against him at a press conference

next week.

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PHAM: All of that of course is in doubt now after his arrest this morning in Tokyo, Kristie.

LU STOUT: Carlos Ghosn arrested again for a fourth time. He is vowing that he will not be broken and the legal saga will go on. Sherisse Pham

reporting for us. Thank you.

Now, the Chinese tech giant, Huawei is set to return to U.S. Federal Court on Thursday. The company has pleaded not guilty to 13 charges including

bank fraud, obstruction of justice and violating U.S. sanctions on Iran. Our Matt rivers spoke with Huawei, CEO and founder.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

MATT RIVERS, CORRESPONDENT, CNN: Well, we sat down with Ren for a really wide ranging interview and one of the things we were able to talk about is

his optimism about his company's future. And that surprised me a little bit given how many obstacles his company is facing right now, you would

think that the tone of his answers might be a bit more negative, but he was upbeat throughout our interview even giving some surprising answers.

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REN ZHENGFEI, FOUNDER AND CEO, HUAWEI (Through a translator): I am most excited and happy about the attacks on us from the United States. After

being in business for 30 years, our teams were becoming lazy, corrupt and weak. Many mid and senior management had gotten rich and no longer wanted

to work hard.

Since the U.S. begin attacking us however, everyone has really come together and wanted to improve our products. And as a result, lifting a

burden from my shoulders, and making me relaxed enough to praise the U.S. more. I hope our employees won't become anti-America.

If we learned from the 200 years of openness of the United States, we will one day become an advanced company.

RIVERS: So you're actually saying that what is happening to your company right now is a good thing.

ZHENGFEI (Through a translator): That's right.

RIVERS: Okay. But as a father, you must be nervous in some respect.

ZHENGFEI (Through a translator): When Meng Wanhzou problem emerged, I was shocked. Now that's already happened, I'm more at ease. The legal systems

in the U.S. and Canada are open and transparent. We have always believed that Meng Wanzhou hasn't broken any laws, so I'm not worried.

And since ancient times, heroes always go through many hardships, how can you get tough without all the scars from your wounds?

RIVERS: Do you take any lessons from your childhood? I know you've spoken quite strongly about the influence of your parents and your life?

ZHENGFEI (Through a translator): It certainly have an impact on their children. The reason I'm often quiet is that I've witnessed the suffering

of my parents, and I wanted to focus on my studies and work. I rarely take notice of social affairs or political matters.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

RIVERS: And for Ren, it's really not about looking backwards, it's more about looking forward at this point. He is relentlessly optimistic about

his company's future. He has major plans to dominate the 5G networks that are rolling out worldwide. He wants Huawei to be a major player in that.

Yes, he's got a major fight on his hands in the United States. Yes, Huawei is not going to be really breaking into the U.S. market in a major way in

the 5G technology space anytime soon, but he is not letting that diminish his hopes for Huawei to continue to make strides worldwide. Matt Rivers,

CNN, Beijing.

LU STOUT: Nearly three years after the vote and we still don't know how the U.K. will leave the European Union. We will have a live report from

London with the latest on Brexit next.

Plus, a country in turmoil. How Venezuela's health crisis is getting worse in the background of political upheaval.

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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong, welcome back. This is "News Stream."

Just eight days to go and still no plan. Frustration is growing in Brussels as U.K. spends another day negotiating with itself about Brexit

nearly three years after Britain voted to leave.

Prime Minister Theresa May is holding a second round of talks with opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn in this last ditch effort to break the

impasse, but patience is running out in the E.U. Angela Merkel is in Dublin for talks with the Irish Prime Minister about the growing risk of a

no deal on April the 12th.

Now, for the latest, we're joined by CNN's Hadas Gold cold and Hadas, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, they're talking. It is being described as

constructive, but inconclusive. Just how difficult will it be for them to reach a compromise?

HADAS GOLD, REPORTER, CNN: Well, Kristie, in order for these two sides to reach a compromise, there will have to be some red lines crossed. The

first that comes to mind is the Customs Union. Jeremy Corbyn is likely asking Theresa May to agree to have the U.K. somehow stay in some sort of

Customs Union with the European Union, which is a red line for the Conservative Party.

And if she was to cross that red line that would likely cause a furor in her own Party. I mean, just meeting with Jeremy Corbyn cost two of her own

Ministers to resign, including a junior Minister who was in charge of no deal planning. That just goes to show you the anger right now in the

Conservative Party.

However, from Theresa May and the government side, they have tried as we have seen four months to get enough support from their own Party and from

their allies in the Northern Ireland Party, the DUP in order to get her Brexit deal over the line. And that obviously has not worked. Three

times, they tried to get it passed and three times, it has failed.

So now they turn to Jeremy Corbyn. This is all part of sort of a good faith effort to show to the E.U., that they are trying everything possible

to get some sort of deal through. However, time is of the essence here. As you noted, we are just a week over that new Brexit deadline date of

April 12th.

One of the other things on the table in this discussion is that second referendum, the idea of the second referendum. Now Jeremy Corbyn himself

has been a little bit wishy washy on the possibility of having another vote on Brexit and Theresa May has said as long as she's empowered, there will

not be a second referendum.

However, I have to say that signs are pointing towards that possibility of a second referendum increasing but again, the timeline. If they agree to

have a second referendum, they will have to get a very long extension because to organize such a main -- a big event -- get all of the country to

come out and vote again that will take weeks and that will likely mean that the U.K. will have to stand once again in the European Parliament elections

-- Kristie.

LU STOUT: So many options, but what definitively will happen next, we still don't know. Hadas Gold, we thank you for analysis. As always, take

care.

Now the political standoff in Venezuela has dominated recent headlines, but while that power struggle goes on, the country's humanitarian crisis, it

grows ever more severe.

A new report is advising the UN to lead a full scale emergency response. It highlights increased numbers of maternal deaths, infant deaths, high

levels of food insecurity, as well as child malnutrition, and sharp increases in the transmission of infectious diseases, many of which are

preventable via vaccine.

Now, for example, the number of reported TB cases, they rose from 6, 000 in 2014 to more than 13,000 in 2017. Malaria is up as well from fewer than

36,000 cases in 2009 to more than 414,000 cases in 2017. Now, the health crisis there in Venezuela is also affecting birth control options.

Contraceptives are expensive and nearly impossible to find, leading to a rise in unplanned pregnancies and abortions. Paula Newton reports.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

PAULA NEWTON, ANCHOR, CNN (voice over): This is not a line for food or water, but still they say, it's a bare necessity. In Venezuela, they are

desperate for birth control.

For several years now, several times a week, they come to the health clinic, Plafam for some of the only birth control that's available.

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NEWTON (voice over): "It's terrible," Jonae tells me. "You just can't get contraceptives." "If you do get them," her friend Emily adds, "It's

expensive. Even if you work, your entire salary isn't enough to get one pack of pills." And for young girls who can't get birth control, they tell

me, especially teenagers, many turn to abortion.

We visited with the clinic's medical director months ago and the situation is the same today, he confirms. Contraceptives are scarce at public

clinics and unaffordable at private ones.

The World Health Organization says Venezuela now has one of the highest adolescent pregnancy rates in South America as even black market

contraception is far too expensive for most, and the consequences of the shortage pose an even greater risk to the long term health of women and

girls.

This young woman says she induced her own abortion at home with herbal tea and pills. She says the pain was unbearable.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NEWTON (on camera): Were you scared?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (Through a translator): Yes, I was scared. I thought it was going to die because there was so much blood. It was horrible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NEWTON (voice over): Hemorrhaging, she went to see a doctor, but could not confess to having an abortion and still does not want her identity

revealed.

Abortion is illegal in Venezuela, punishable with up to two years in prison.

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LUISA KISLINGER, WOMEN'S RIGHTS ACTIVISTS: There's no way of knowing what they're doing and how they are performing these abortions. So it's very

worrisome.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NEWTON (voice over); This women's activist says the latest available health records show maternal mortality in Venezuela was up 60% in 2016

alone. Recent study of infant mortality, she says is even more alarming.

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KISLINGER: Fetuses were found in garbage cans or babies were abandoned. And we were really surprised by the number -- the sheer number -- and these

are the ones that make it into the media. We don't know how many more there can be.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NEWTON (voice over): A generation of Venezuelan women now live in fear of how sexual activity and pregnancy can upend their health and their lives.

Paula Newton, CNN, Caracas.

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LU STOUT: The situation for women in Venezuela is alarming. You're watching, "News Stream" and still ahead.

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RUPERT HOGG, CEO, CATHAY PACIFIC: We have like 50 percent Airbus, 50 percent Boeing, we're a long and established client of Boeing, so we are

very pleased actually with all the aircraft that we are flying, the Boeing aircraft.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: The CEO of Cathay Pacific, Rupert Hogg talks Aviation Safety in the wake of last month's deadly plane crash in Ethiopia. Why he says

Cathay is not giving up on Boeing, coming up.

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LU STOUT: I am Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong, you're watching "News Stream" and these are world headlines. New Zealand police say the suspect

behind the Christchurch mosque attacks will face charges for 50 counts of murder and 39 counts of attempted murder. He is accused of carrying out

the deadliest mass shooting in the country in March and he is due to appear in court on Friday where he will be formally charged.

Australia has passed a tough me law designed to stop the spread of violent content online. It comes in the wake of the New Zealand mosque massacres,

which were livestreamed on social media. The new law would impose hefty fines on social media companies and allow prison sentences for executives

if content is not removed expeditiously.

Ethiopian officials have released initial findings into last month's deadly Ethiopian Airlines crash. They said the crew performed all of Boeing's

emergency procedures repeatedly, but they were still unable to control the 737 MAX 8. Now, they are recommending that Boeing review the plane's

automated anti-stall software which Boeing is already doing. The company says, it will be reviewing the published report as it is released.

The CEO of Cathay Pacific says air safety is the responsibility of all those in the aviation industry. I sat down with Rupert Hogg before

Ethiopian official spoke to the press a few hours ago and revealed their initial findings into the crash of that Boeing 737 MAX 8 last month. Here

is part one of our interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

HOGG: As an industry, we have a collective responsibility for safety, and it's one that everyone in the industry takes very seriously. And I include

Boeing and Airbus and of course, all the other suppliers as well as the airlines themselves.

In terms of that, I guess, collective responsibility and how it manifests itself, an reporting culture is one strong facet of it. People report

things that go wrong, and everyone learns from it and another is not to speculate. So there will be a report done, I know, on what may or may not

have been the cause of the accidents, and they are real tragedies.

And so I can't really speculate until that report comes out.

LU STOUT: A lot of the scrutiny on the Boeing aircraft, as well as its MCAS system, knowing that, does that affect a little bit you're purchasing

decisions going forward? Does that make you consider Airbus over Boeing?

HOGG: We have - I would say we're about 200 aircrafts. We have about 50 percent Airbus, 50 percent Boeing. We are a long and established client of

Boeing's. We're very pleased actually with all the aircraft that we have flying, the Boeing aircrafts. We work very closely with them.

Our next aircraft that we're taking from Boeing is a new model. It's the 777 9X, we take that in 2021 and we're already working with a serious and

collaborative team. So I think the answer is no, we should all learn from any incident that involves safety and safe operations. But we're

completely comfortable with both manufacturers.

LU STOUT: So despite the concerns about the 737 MAX aircraft, about the MCAS anti stall feature, et cetera et cetera, you will remain a loyal

customer of Boeing.

HOGG: What I'd say is that we will, as an industry learn from whatever the reports and the investigations throw out, but Boeing is a big professional

company, a lot of dedicated people there. We work very closely with them, half of our fleet, as I say are Boeings and they operate very well and to

exacting standards.

So it's important that everyone learns from incidents as I say, but we don't jump too early or hasty conclusions on this sort of thing.

LU STOUT: And let's talk about lessons learned and just what needs to be considered from now going forward. Should an airplane require a software

upgrade to be more safe?

HOGG: It's worth remembering, of course, we don't have the MAX aircraft ourselves. So, to that extent, you know, we'll learn from what comes out

of the investigations and the research.

LU STOUT: But when you talk to your technical staff and your pilots, and the greater issue of technology in aviation, is there a concern that planes

are becoming increasingly too complicated to fly?

HOGG: Well, I wouldn't be as dramatic as that in any way, actually. So the way it works is that we do risk assessments of all the factors that

affect operational safety or operational performance. And of course, you know, things change the whole time. And when new issues come up, or things

become more important, then obviously they come into the process of evaluation and, you know, risk mitigation or whatever it might be.

And that's what we do and we do it on every aspect of our operational safety.

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LU STOUT: And be sure to tune in to "News Stream" tomorrow for part two of my interview with the Cathay Pacific CEO, Rupert Hogg. We talk about the

growing trade tensions between the U.S. and China and the impact being felt worldwide. That's coming up Friday at 1:00 p.m. in London, 8:00 p.m. here

Hong Kong time.

A new report in the "New York Times" paints a far different portrait of the Mueller reports than the full exoneration that President Donald Trump has

been touting. Some of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigators say that the Mueller report is more damaging to Mr. Trump then Attorney General

William Barr has revealed and moreover, they feel that the public's perception will be skewed by the Barr memo since it was released first.

This comes as the House Judiciary Committee approves a subpoena to get the full redacted version of the report. The party line vote came in a

contentious committee meeting on Wednesday. The Chairman said that he is not issuing the subpoena just yet. But will if he needs to.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. JERROLD NADLER (D-NY), CHAIRMAN, HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: This Committee requires the full report and the underlying materials, because it

is our job, not the Attorney General's to determine whether or not President Trump has abused his office. And we require the report because

one day, one way or another, the country will move on from President Trump. We must make it harder for future presidents to behave this way.

REP. DOUG COLLINS (R-GA), RANKING MEMBER OF JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: It reminds me of the old guys back in my hometown when they wanted to go

fishing and nothing was biting. It is like a big fishing trip and go out. Nothing was biting. And one day this old guy just got tired of it.

Instead of catching anything the way he should, he just reaches in his back pocket, pulls out a piece of dynamite and throws it in the pond.

I can't find anything. So I'm just going to blow up everything and maybe something will come to the top.

Maybe that's the new thing with this Committee. The little train that kept looking for something that says, "I'll try and I'll try and I'll try." But

at the end of the day, the President is still the President.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: The House Committee is also seeking six years of Donald Trump's tax returns. The Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has

formally as the Internal Revenue Service to release them. But the President said late on Wednesday, he wouldn't give them to Congress until

he was no longer under audit.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Chairman of the Democratic House Ways and Means Committee moments ago with the IRS for six years of your tax returns --

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Is that all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's all.

TRUMP: Oh, usually it's 10, so I guess they're giving up. I've been under routed for many years because the numbers of bacon -- I guess, when you

have a name you, you're audited.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LU STOUT: Now the Committee Chairman stressed that the request is not about politics writing this, quote, "I take the authority to make this

request very seriously, and I approach it with the utmost care and respect. This request is about policy, not politics. My preparations were made on

my own track and timeline entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration," unquote.

You're watching "News Stream," and we'll be back with much more after a quick break.

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LU STOUT: Welcome back, now all this week, CNN is exploring the travel trends that are catching on in India. Now, with the global rise of

ecotourism, we visit a wildlife sanctuary where one filmmaker has spent his career documenting endangered species like the elusive Bengal tiger. Take

a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Established in 1936, the Jim Corbett National Park. It is the oldest national park in the Indian subcontinent.

And for award winning wildlife filmmaker and conservationist, Naresh Bedi, it is one of the best places to witness the ecological riches of India.

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NARESH BEDI, WILDLIFE FILMMAKER AND CONSERVATIONIST: To me, it is very special, the Corbett National Park because right through my childhood when

we were about six, seven, I would say, father used to come here. We used to camp here.

Here you have many tigers. You have the elephant. I mean, it's a paradise, you know.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Corbett is a sprawling expanse of 520 square kilometers of rivers and planes, valleys and falls. Hundreds of

species of plants and animals call this Himalayan ecosystem their home.

From the gray langurs, old world monkeys to seek refuge in the trees to the wild Indian boars digging for food in the grasslands.

For decades, Bedi has trained his lens on the biodiversity of India.

Bedi says that the mornings encounter with a Sambar deer meant that a tiger could be close.

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BEDI: The Samba must have sensed either smell or must have seen. The presence of it right there, Sambar could sense that danger and that's why

it is making this big alarm, stamping his feet down, you know.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): Bedi says that over the years, he has noticed an increase in interest when it comes to ecotourism and wildlife

conservation in India. But for him, it's more than just the megafauna, the tigers, the elephants that should attract visitors to places like Corbett.

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BEDI: There's much more understand the whole ecology on the area and why it is important to preserve this habitat so that these animals can survive.

There is so much variation of habitat and climate and condition which has given rise to such a big diversity in India.

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LU STOUT: Wow, just imagine to be able to see those beautiful creatures in the wild. What a gift and that is "News Stream." I'm Kristie Lu Stout,

but don't go anywhere "World Sport" with Alex Thomas is next.

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