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Democrats Defend Rep. Omar After Trump Tweets 9/11 Video; Trump Considering Releasing Detained Immigrants into Sanctuary Cities; 100+ Million At Risk Of Tornadoes, Large Hail And Damaging Winds; Parents, Families Of Parkland Victims Sue Broward School Board; NYC Declares Public Health Emergency Amid Measles Outbreak. Aired 7-8a ET
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[07:00:00] IVAN CABRERA, CNN INTERNATIONAL METEOROLOGIST: -- a threat will continue to move further to the east. (INAUDIBLE). But today, I think from noon to 8:00 we're going to have to watch this closely, guys?
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Ivan Cabrera, thank you so much.
CABRERA: You bet.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They want more people in their sanctuary cities -- well, we'll give them more people. We can give them a lot. We can give them an unlimited supply.
MIKE POMPEO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: When we see those nations engage in activities that reduce the outflow of migration from nation, the American people will continue to be incredibly generous.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are women and children being held in cages. I held a 2-month-old baby. This is just as un-American as you get.
REP. ILHAN OMAR (D-MN): Cain was founded after 9/11 because they recognize that some people did something.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just called it "something." It wasn't even something terrible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's obscene for the president to try to take that pain and make a political gain from it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You'd think that the world would be different if it were led by women?
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Of course! I don't just say that, I believe it.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul. BLACKWELL: Good Saturday morning to you. Top Democratic presidential
candidates are calling a video shameful, Islamophobic and dangerous in their defense of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar against the president's latest tweet.
CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: So, President Trump tweeted a video of Omar that was intercut with images from 9/11. The Minnesota Democrat is one of the first of two Muslim women elected to Congress, remember.
BLACKWELL: There's also a reversal for the White House, another one a day after an official told CNN the idea was quickly rejected. The president confirms that he is considering moving migrants to sanctuary cities. Critics call that playing cool and unworthy of the presidency -- possibly illegal.
PAUL: And 100 million people under the threat of severe weather this weekend. We're talking about strong tornadoes, large hail, damaging winds could sweep across several states.
The president confirming, he is considering moving detained migrants to sanctuary cities. The acting Secretary of Defense says, he expects to send more troops to the southern border as well.
BLACKWELL: All right, let's go now to CNN's White House Correspondent Kaitlan Collins, she has the latest on the president's plan.
TRUMP: We can give them an unlimited supply.
KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Trump is touting a proposal to place undocumented migrants in sanctuary cities to retaliate against Democrats -- shattering his own administration's denials of the policy.
TRUMP: So, we'll give them to the sanctuary cities, maybe, to take care of if that's what they want.
COLLINS: Trump, making the threat in person, after tweeting earlier that because Democrats are unwilling to change our dangerous immigrations laws, we are indeed giving strong considerations to placing illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities only. Those remarks, coming just hours after a White House official said the idea was briefly and informally raised and quickly rejected. No one at ICE was pressured by anyone at any time. But sources tell CNN, the president pushed former Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Neilsen to carry out the proposal. She resisted and the plan was scrapped for legal reasons.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is an outrageous abuse of power and public resources.
COLLINS: the president's warning coming as CNN has learned that during his trip to the border last week, Trump told Kevin McAleenan, now the Acting DHS Secretary, that if he were jailed or faced legal issues because he blocked migrants from entering the U.S., he would pardon him. It's unclear if Trump meant it as a joke. But the episode revealed the boundaries the president is willing to push to stop a recent rise in immigration numbers, making his frustration clear today.
TRUMP: If they don't agree, we might as well do what they always say they want.
COLLINS: News of the attempted sanctuary city proposal infuriated Democrats.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): -- thinking about it. But again, it's just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the United States and disrespectful of the challenges that we face, as a country, as a people, to address who we are -- a nation of immigrants.
COLLINS: A spokesman for House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, who is from one of the highest profile sanctuary cities in California saying in a statement that the extent of this administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated, using human beings, including little children as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable and, in some cases, criminal. But Trump seemed to relish the outrage from Democrats.
TRUMP: Let's see if they are so happy. They say, we have open arms. They're always saying they have open arms. Let's see if they have open arms.
[07:04:56] COLLINS: The drama coming amid an upheaval at DHS, which is now being run by an acting secretary, acting deputy secretary, acting customs and border protection commissioner and an acting ICE director. A border official announcing that starting today, they'll release immigrants in El Paso to local organizations because ICE is at capacity. And six of the major border check points are currently understaffed because agents are being sent to parts of the border that are facing a surge in migrants.
Now, the president made clear that he believes the sanctuary city proposal would be a punishment for Democrats. But Jim Kenney, the Mayor of Philadelphia, which is considered a sanctuary city said they would welcome all immigrants with open arms. He said, he believes this latest proposal just shows "the utter contempt for human dignity that the Trump administration has, and he added, and I'm quoting him now, that it's just "Trump's desire to flout the rule of law to appease his political base. Kaitlin Collins, CNN, the White House.
PAUL: And thanks to you, Kaitlan Collins. So, critics are calling the plan cruel and unworthy of the president. The question is, is it legal? John Bresnahan, Capitol Bureau Chief for Politico with us now, as well as Page Pate, Federal and Constitutional Attorney. And Page, I want come to you about, first, General Counsel at DHS, John Mitnik, as we understand it, quoting to CNN reporting, our Jake Tapper, sent legal guidance to the White House back in February saying: look, you cannot do this. What authority, Page, does the president have to make this happen? PAGE PATE, FEDERAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEY: Well, Christi,
there's no clear authority for the president to take this type of action. I mean, aside from the political and logistical challenges of trying to do what he's suggesting, there is nothing in the Immigration and Nationality Act that allows the White House, the executive, Department of Homeland Security to take people who have pending asylum applications and disperse them in cities across the country.
Now, having said that, because there's nothing specific in the law that says you can do it or not do it, the president here is clearly trying to push the envelope, saying look: I have some discretion here under this law that Congress passed a deal with asylum seekers, how I want to deal with them. So, since there's nothing saying I can do it and there's nothing saying I can't do it, I'm going to try and I'm going to leave it up to the courts. Of course, that makes it very difficult to enforce the law and that is clearly not what Congress intended when they passed this statute.
PAUL: And you know, John, the interesting thing is, there's an argument that this, actually, if he would do this, it makes it more difficult for them to attend deportation hearings, which means you cannot monitor where they are. They may not show up. And doesn't that counteract what the president keeps saying he wants to do -- is deport immigrants?
JOHN BRESNAHAN, CAPITOL BUREAU CHIEF, POLITICO: I mean, this would be a disastrous policy. I mean, you are talking about sending detainees, hundreds and many thousands of miles from where they've been picked up, and where their hearings would be for asylum. So, I just think this is just something that just, you know --
PAUL: But it's counter of the president's promises, right?
BRESNAHAN: Exactly! I mean, this would be -- go exactly against what the president has said -- he wants to reduce immigration, he wants to make sure the people here legally are forced out deported. And this would work exactly the wrong -- the opposite way which is why you're seeing members of Congress, especially Democrats freaking out about this. And the Republicans, you can tell how unpopular this is on Capitol Hill, by the fact that Republicans are saying nothing. I can't even get a response out of the Republican leadership about. This is how unpopular this move is.
PAUL: All right. Let's listen to Mazie Hirono, a member of the Judiciary and Armed Services Committee. This is what she said last night about it.
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SEN. MAZIE HIRONO (D-HI): He doesn't think immigrants are human beings. And two, he doesn't have to apply the law with regard to his treatment of them. There's a level of uncaring cruelty to the president that is off the charts.
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PAUL: John, do you get the sense that some Republicans somewhere is going to have to speak up about this?
BRESNAHAN: I think, at some point there will be. And some of the hardline Republican Conservatives will defend the president on this. But I think you look at the Republican leadership on both sides of the House and Senate, they have nothing to say about this. Kevin McCarthy, the House Minority Leader, is from California. The idea that the federal government would be sending detainees, immigrant detainees to California, Kevin McCarthy's own state has got to be offensive to him -- except, they don't want to talk about it right now. What they're saying is they support President Trump on the border, on strong enforcement. You know, they're just trying to make very general answers and trying to stay as far away from this as they can.
PAUL: So, Page, as I understand it, the DHS money can only be spent to transport migrants if the criteria meets their purpose, saying if there's overcrowding -- which we know that there is. If there's medical care that is needed by some of these people. Is this, however, if you send them far away from where they have been apprehended, is it a violation of due process?
[07:05:58] PATE: It could be, Christi. I mean, understand, though, that people entering the country who have not received the proper documentation ahead of time, they come in under a certain different status. And the Immigration and Nationality Act, sets forth very clear circumstances under which they can apply for asylum, under which they can be removed -- either expedited removal or regular removal. A whole complex set of laws and regulations to deal with this issue, but it all depends on everyone acting in good faith.
And in this case, instead of acting in good faith and following the intent of Congress, the president said, I'm going to do it my way, I'm going to ignore all of the protections, all of the procedures that we've put in place over the past several decades, and I'm going to do this for political reasons, not because I think it's the best way to handle immigration policy and certainly not because I think it's giving due process to people who are legitimately seeking asylum.
PAUL: So, John, the San Francisco mayor said that he believes this is just another scare tactic from the president. Does this point the finger, now, to some degree, back at Congress? They've had years to come up with a plan that is sufficient, that is workable. Why can't that happen?
BRESNAHAN: I mean, there have been numerous attempts in Congress to revise immigration laws in 2013, the Senate passed a bill that, of course, eventually stalled in the house. There is talk about putting the 2013 bill, the Senate bill up for a vote again in the House. The Democrats have talked about -- House Democrats have talked about that. I mean, immigration is a hugely complex issue that has, you know, cultural, social, economic impacts.
And the idea that Congress is going to rush into this, even both sides say they want to do something is hard to see. But I do think there is, you know, you've seen the president really move over the last four or five months and put immigration is in the middle of his re-election campaign. Now, every Republican is going to have to run on this in 2020. And they saw in 2018 that they -- this is not a winning issue for them. So, I think this is a really tough place the president is putting his party in.
PAUL: John Bresnahan and Page Pate, appreciate both of you being here, gentlemen. Thank you.
PATE: Thank you.
BLACKWELL: North Korean Leader, Kim Jong-un, says he is open to a third summit with the U.S., but with some conditions. Speaking before the Supreme People's Assembly in Pyongyang, he said the U.S. must stop "its current way of calculation to continue talks." He added that if the U.S. does not change their approach, the prospects for problem solving will be dark and very dangerous. Kim Jong-un -- sorry -- will give the U.S. until the end of the year to decide how they want to proceed.
PAUL: President Trump attacking Congresswoman Ilhan Omar with images of the Twin Towers crashing down. There are several Democrats now coming to her defense overnight.
BLACKWELL: Plus, the fisher-price rock 'n play sleeper on the recall list. Consumer advocate say, the product is linked to the deaths of more than two dozen children over a ten-year period. What parents need to know if they have one of these sleepers in their home.
PAUL: And do stay with us; the survivors and families who lost the people that they love in the Parkland Shooting Massacre are suing Broward County school district now. One of the fathers of the victims is with us next. Stay close.
[07:17:21] BLACKWELL: Well, several 2020 presidential candidates are coming to the defense of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. After President Trump tweeted an edited video what some say is inciting hatred against her. Now, here's a bit about what happened. This was March 23rd, and Representative Omar gave a speech at the Council on American Islamic Relations.
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OMAR: Far too long, we have lived with the discomfort of being a second-class citizen. And frankly, I'm tired of it and every single Muslim in this country should be tired of it. CAIR was founded after 9/11. They recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberty. As an American Member of Congress, I have to make sure that I am living up to the ideals of fighting for liberty and justice. Those are very much rooted in the reason why my family came here.
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PAUL: Here's the problem: President Trump only used a portion of her speech in his tweet, specifically the words where she said "some people did something." And that can be seen by many as an attempt to show her minimizing the September 11th attacks. Now, the president's word, we know words matter, especially to his nearly 60 million followers on Twitter. So, yesterday, Bernie Sanders called the president's attack disgusting and dangerous. Elizabeth Warren has called it shameful. Beto O'Rourke said, we're stronger than this president's hatred and Islamophobia.
BLACKWELL: Joining me now: Steve Rogers, Donald Trump Campaign Advisory Board Member. Steve, welcome back.
STEVE ROGERS, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER: Hey, Victor, great to be here.
BLACKWELL: OK. So first, explain from your perspective the outrage over the representative's comments there?
ROGERS: Well, could you imagine, Victor, if some congressman or congresswoman would have said some people did something to the African-Americans during the times of enslavement or some people did something to some people or the Jewish population in Germany during the time of World War II. So, what the president did and I think what many wanted to see her do was call it out for what it is. It wasn't some people who enslaved the African-Americans. It wasn't some people who persecuted the Jews and it wasn't some people who took down the towers. Call them out for what they were, they were Middle Eastern terrorists that committed that atrocity, and that's as simple as I can get.
BLACKWELL: Last week, a man was arrested for threatening to murder Congresswoman Omar and according to the affidavit, he said, and this is a quote: "He's a patriot, that loves the president and he hates radical Muslims in our government." This was in reference to why he wanted to hurt, to kill Representative Omar -- Ilhan Omar. Should the president consider that when he's tweeting videos like the one he has pinned now on his Twitter account?
ROGERS: Well, you know what? We certainly will never, ever endorse anyone committing an act of violence against anyone. And look, we say things and we express our freedoms of speech. We're not responsible, Victor, for the actions of other people. You and I could say something on the air, and some crack pot will take what we say and turn it around, and to try to justify their actions.
BLACKWELL: You know, if you see someone who wants to throw a tomato, punch him in the face or I'll pay your legal bill ifs you attack one of these protesters? Something like that?
ROGERS: Well, you know what, Victor -- there you go again, as Ronald Reagan said. This is not about the president of the United States, OK? People are responsible for their own actions. It's easy to say, you know, that person made me do this, that person made me do that. I spent 38 years in law enforcement. And all I heard from criminals was: well, you know what, I was forced to do it because someone made me do it. The president is not responsible for the actions of other people.
BLACKWELL: But the president is not -- is he not responsible for his words? If he incites violence, is he not responsible for those words?
ROGERS: I've been to his rallies. I've been all over the place with him and his team. He has never incited violence. He has never, ever suggested that people should commit violent acts against each other.
BLACKWELL: That is absolutely untrue. That is absolutely untrue. There is video of the president --
ROGERS: According to you.
BLACKWELL: Well -- you know, so we've seen the president say that, with the good ole days that people would be taken out in stretchers at his rallies during the 2016 campaign. We've seen him say what he'd like to do is punch somebody in the face. We've seen him promise to pay for legal bills for people if they were to attack a protester at one of his rallies. What you're saying there just simply is not true. I have a limited amount of time with you. It is the truth. You can say it's -- you can quote Ronald Reagan, it is truth.
[07:22:33] ROGERS: I was there. Well, it's like some of the Democrats who said get up into the face of conservatives. You know, slap them around. Commit acts of violence. I mean, these were words from Democrats, OK. So, don't put it on the president, Victor. People are --
ROGERS: I'm quoting the president. And yes, Democrats will be responsible for their actions, too, and the people who made any of those comments has to be responsible as well. But you cannot just absolve the president and say he's never suggested people should be violent because there are plenty of examples online that people have seen. So, they know the truth. Let me move here to immigration. Dumping migrants in cities purely for political retribution. How does that solve any of the problems that the president says he wants to solve at the southern border?
ROGERS: Well, I find it amazing that the Democrats have no problem with having illegal immigrants dumped in my neighborhood, all right? Where I have to pay for their legal fees, and I have to pay for their education and I have to pay for medical care. So, why not dump them, as you say, in the neighborhoods of the Democrats who have obstructed the president from doing his job? You know why they don't want that, Victor? They don't want the problem. It's never been an issue of doing what's right for this country on the side that Democrats -- it's still what's politically right for them.
BLACKWELL: Well, OK -- so, how does that, I'm going get back to the question. How does that plan solve any problem the president wants to solve at the southern border?
ROGERS: Well, you have some mayors of cities are welcoming the illegal immigrants into the sanctuary city. So, it solves a big problem. They want to take them, they want to pay for them, they want the taxpayers to foot the bill, they'll have nothing to worry about. The police are unable to do their job, they're unable to enforce federal law, so I thought it was a great idea --
BLACKWELL: You said, who's unable to enforce federal law?
ROGERS: Local police are not allowed to cooperate with ICE; they cannot force federal laws.
BLACKWELL: Listen, Steve, let me ask you this because I think it's important that we just tell the truth here. When you say they want to pay for them, who's going to pay for the cost of transport, to transport the migrants from the border states to these small, as the plan is, midsized communities? Who's going to pay?
ROGERS: Good question. We are. The taxpayers.
BLACKWELL: So, you think that for the purpose of political retribution, it's worth the cost; it's worth the liability?
ROGERS: Is it worth the cost not to put a wall up? Is it worth the cost not to give the president --
BLACKWELL: Putting up the wall does not circumvent the asylum process, you know that, Steve. If people want to come to this country and seek asylum, there are international and domestic laws that protect that. Laws that in 48, 1951, the Refugee Act, 1980, there are laws in place to protect there.
ROGERS: And there's a legal way, Victor.
BLACKWELL: Yes, there is a legal way.
ROGERS: There's a legal way. There's a legal pathway. There's a legal way. There's a legal pathway. We're talking about people coming in illegally. And look, you know as well as I do, a lot of people say they want political asylum. Not for reasons that you should have political asylum for, but they come for other reasons. There's a process. It takes time.
BLACKWELL: Yes, there is a process, which is why when the president says to Border Patrol agents just tell them to turn around and don't let them in, that is illegal. Do you endorse that?
ROGERS: Listen, Victor, we can't hold them anymore. Even the Democrat -- the New York Times, for goodness sake and you know they're not a fan of the president, they agreed this week, we have a national crisis now. So, what are we going to do with these people?
BLACKWELL: Steve, you can either endorse a process, a legal process or endorse flouting the law in saying turn around, which is it? Which is it?
ROGERS: Well, I'll tell you what it is, it's the Democrats not endorsing a process. It's the Democrats, for years, and I'll put it on the Republicans, too, Victor, because before Donald Trump, they really didn't step up and do the job that should be done.
BLACKWELL: Steve, you've got to answer the question here. Do you want the process of people coming here to seek asylum to happen where they try to explain how they face a credible threat? There is a credible fear and there is a legal process or do you want to go with the president's plan to say country's fold, go back home and sorry? You can't do both. You either follow the law or you follow the president's plan, which is it?
ROGERS: You're right. And I want what the president's plan is, for the United States Congress to step up and do immigration reform the right way. We can no longer, Victor, bring people into this country. There's no more room. We don't have the doctors; we don't have anything down there left to take care of them. That's why they're being bussed elsewhere.
BLACKWELL: So, just so we have for the people who I don't know how they could not have seen it, but I want you to see this. This claim that you make that the president has never incited violence, has never been aggressive or asked others to be aggressive or endorsed anything like that during his campaign rallies, roll it.
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[07:27:34] TRUMP: I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they're in a place like this, they'd be carried out in a stretcher, folks. Knock the crap out of them, would you, seriously? OK? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. We have some protesters who are bad dudes.
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BLACKWELL: Truth is, that needed endorsement, Steve. Steve rogers --
ROGERS: Truth is --
BLACKWELL: Steve Rogers, from the Trump Campaign Advisory Board. Thanks so much for being with us.
ROGERS: All right, Victor. Pleasure being here.
PAUL: All right. Buckle up for nasty, violent weather. More than 100 million of you are in the path of, we're talking, strong tornadoes, winds, hail. More on it, in a moment.
[07:32:32] PAUL: All right. Listen, it is going to be nasty today weather wise.
BLACKWELL: Yes, the southern U.S. is bracing for some violent weather this weekend. More than 100 million people are under severe threat of violent tornadoes, damaging wind, large hail.
PAUL: Meteorologist Ivan Cabrera in the CNN Weather Center now. And I know that this, this seems to have escalated in the last 24 hours in terms of who is going to be affected here, is that right?
CABRERA: Yes, Christi. Good morning. Absolutely, and Victor, this is one of those days. Right, so, you have severe weather days, and you have days like today. If we wanted to make tornadoes, you need certain ingredients, and the atmosphere today has an abundance of them.
Warm moisture coming in from the south, cold dry air from the north. And then we have what we call upper level forcing, that's those strong upper-level winds that can produce the kinds of tornadoes that can last for -- well, hours here.
So, let's talk about what's happening right now we do have a tornado watch in western Texas, and a severe thunderstorm watch in northwestern Texas. San Angelo with a tornado warning in effect. This is round one of what will eventually be a very long day. Because what you're seeing here, this is the bullseye from noon to 8:00 what we're thinking -- yes, damaging winds, 60-mile an hour winds. That is easy. And we're not just talking about potential tornadoes, sometimes we say, isolated tornadoes.
There will be tornadoes on the ground where you see that red today. And some of them have the potential to be on the upper scale. We talk about the EF3, EF4 not out of the question to for today. We don't forecast those kind of numbers but the conditions are there to support those kind of tornadoes.
So, again, 12:00 to 8:000 strong tornadoes from, basically, eastern Texas through most of central and northern Louisiana and western Mississippi.
If you're watching this from this area and you happen to live in a mobile home, don't stay there today. Go to a relative's home, somewhere where the structure is just more significant, or the mall and spend the day if you have to. But if I'm you, I would not stay in a mobile home on a day like today because of the threat that we have -- are talking about here.
Here is the forecast loop, you see those individual cells there. Those are the ones that I'm concerned about that could produce those very nasty thunderstorms which themselves can produce tornadoes.
Oh, and yes, by the way, we'll talk about this through the next few hours. We have more severe weather on the way but that's for tomorrow across the southeastern U.S. Guys?
BLACKWELL: All right. We'll prepare for it. Ivan Cabrera, thank you so much.
[07:34:49] PAUL: There's an important safety alert we want to tell you about this morning as well. I mean, if you're a parent, if you're an aunt, if you're a grandparent, if you have a baby in your family, the Consumer Product Safety Commission is ordering the immediate recall of what you see there on your screen. 4.7 million Rock 'n Play Sleepers is what we're talking about. This is a Fisher-Price product. It is linked now to the deaths of more than 30 babies in the last 10 years. You can go to cpsc.gov for more information. BLACKWELL: Coming up. Some families who lost loved ones in the Parkland shooting are now suing the Broward County School Board for negligence. The father of one of those victims and now gun control activists joins us ahead.
[07:39:54] PAUL: Well, several families whose children died or were injured in last year's mass shooting at Marjory Douglas -- Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida are suing the Broward County School Board now. Claiming negligence and other wrongdoing as they face a string of political and bureaucratic red tape.
The father of one of those students who died in Parkland, that father, Manuel Oliver, with us. His son was Joaquin. Also an attorney, who is representing three Parkland families, Christopher Marlowe is with us.
Gentlemen, I appreciate you being here. Thank you. Manuel, I wanted to come to you first. What do you need to see from the school district moving forward?
MANUEL OLIVER, FATHER OF PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM, JOAQUIN OLIVER: They need to be responsible for what happened. There is consequences after what happened in Parkland, and I'm paying a high price along with my wife and my daughter, and they need to pay -- they will never pay the same price that I'm paying, but they need to be accountable, they need to be responsible.
They failed, Joaquin is not here anymore. They made a mistake, and now it's time for them to understand that, that mistake is going to have a consequence.
PAUL: What specifically do you want to see a change there? What do you think they did wrong?
OLIVER: Well, there was a lot of warnings and red flags behind the shooter of my son. And apparently, they ignore them, not once, but several times. That is already a huge mistake. And then, after the events, they have been ignoring, actually, the real problem. In some way, they have treated us -- in other words they want to pass the page and pretend that nothing happened. And we don't -- we don't accept that, and it's not -- this game is not going to be played that way.
PAUL: Christopher, how much power do parents have to affect the change here?
CHRISTOPHER MARLOWE, ATTORNEY FOR THREE PARKLAND FAMILIES: All the power in the world. Many couldn't have said it better when he said that accountability is key. And Broward County had the opportunity to do the right thing on their own. On this case, which in my opinion has national importance for every teacher, and every child, in every school from coast to coast in the United States of America.
Many is already out there so are so many of the other families doing what they can to hold Broward County's feet to the fire. And we're going to do so in a court of law since they've chosen not to approach us.
I don't want to be here anymore than many wants to be here. And nobody can take more from him than it's already been taken by the people who did so wrong. Out of the hundreds of cases that I've handled negligence security, this is probably the worst. So we're going to take it to them.
PAUL: So, Christopher, you say that they're not approaching you. What has been the dialogue? What has been the atmosphere there as you bring this suit forward, and maybe what you've done prior to bringing this suit forward to try to make amends in some way?
MARLOWE: Well, dialogue would be a nice thing. It's kind of hard to dialogue with radio silence. The county is absolutely saying that they didn't do anything wrong. And yet, they want to put out sort of a P.R. machine at County taxpayer expense to fight these families in Tallahassee.
So, the mixed messaging makes it almost impossible to have any kind of a dialogue at all that would have been a nice starting point, but that's not the reality.
PAUL: Manuel, if you could sit down with any of these people from the board, have you been able to talk to anybody? What do you want them to know? What is it going to take to make you feel heard?
OLIVER: Are you asking me that question?
PAUL: Yes, I am.
OLIVER: I am -- they know what I need to say. There is nothing that it's going to make me feel better, by the way, and I want to be very clear with that. My son is not with me. And no money can be even close to that.
So, it's -- they know what I'm fighting for, that is Joaquin Oliver. And they have to understand that whatever they do, and they know what they -- what they need to do, it needs to, at least, get close to a situation where I can say, "OK, at least you are -- you were responsible after making all those mistakes.
But, I don't have the patient, or maybe, I wouldn't be able to use the right words. And this is when you need a lawyer.
OLIVER: So, they could deal with this kind of stuff.
PAUL: I understand what you're saying. But I do want to bring to light, you and your wife had formed this group called, Change the Ref. R, E, F. In case, anybody wants to look it up, Change the Ref. And you're pushing for stricter gun control in that regard. Have you gotten a lot of support for that in your community? What are you hoping to do through that organization?
OLIVER: I -- we have received a lot of support not only in our community. These -- our movement is beyond Parkland. We have received a lot of support in other cities, in other states. Right now, we're in New York. But, yes, there is a lot of people that understand that what happened to Joaquin, my family: the Oliver's, the other 16 families and every single victim from gun violence, it just needs to stop. That's what I do as a -- as an activist, I use art to do that.
But don't get me wrong, I do have a great lawyer firm, making sure that the other side of this story is being fight with the same power and with the same intention of ending this issues from happening again.
[07:45:38] PAUL: Christopher, he'd obviously has a lot of faith in you, as you just heard there. How long do you think this process is going to be drawn out? We know that the legal system is not one that you see speed through.
MARLOWE: We're going to take it as far as it needs to go. It's my hope -- we don't want to be in a courtroom huffing to fight to do what should have already been done. You know, all the failures of Parkland were not new revolutionary failures. People knew what to do since Columbine. And across the board, Broward County dropped the ball.
Unfortunately, all that's left now is a jury. And so, we're going to take it to a jury because we have no choice. God, I wish we didn't have to, but we do. So that's we're where going to be until justice is done. Whenever that, maybe.
PAUL: Manuel Oliver, Christopher Marlowe, we appreciate you both being here. And Manuel, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, I know it's still hard.
OLIVER: Thank you very much.
MARLOWE: Thank you.
PAUL: Take good care.
BLACKWELL: A community in New York is being blamed for an explosion in measles cases. We'll tell you how the city is working to stop the spread of this potentially deadly disease.
[07:50:50] BLACKWELL: New York, the nation's largest city is in the middle of a public health emergency. Now, it's been almost 20 years since measles were eliminated in the United States. But now, almost 500 cases have been reported just this year so far.
PAUL: Yes, and more than half of those cases are in Brooklyn where the outbreak is being fueled by this pervasive campaign of misinformation about the safety of vaccines.
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BILL DE BLASIO, MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: This is the epicenter of a measles outbreak that we are declaring a public health emergency effective immediately. This will mandate vaccines for people living in the affected area. Department of Health will issue violations and fines to people who remain unvaccinated.
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PAUL: CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta has more for us here.
SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is unusual step, Christi and Victor, declaring a public health emergency. But obviously, they're in New York, they feel that it's important. And what it means basically, is people who have -- who are living in certain zip codes who are not vaccinated and may have been exposed could be -- could be fined and be given a violation, citation and could be fined up to $1,000. That's what they're trying to do to get more people vaccinated.
Obviously, look, there's a lot of misinformation that's still going out online. A lot of that still getting out there. It's worth reminding people for a second, if we can, I'm going to show these numbers here what life was like before the measles vaccine, and what it's like now?
Before the measles vaccine, you would get -- you know, some three to 3 million people a year who would get the measles. Tens of thousands, 48,000 there who would be hospitalized. Thousand that would develop encephalitis and -- you know, a few 100 who would die from this. That was before the measles vaccine.
And now, we know that if you get the measles, the shot, the vaccine, you will get protection. 97 percent protection. So, it's a very effective vaccine. And again, I don't know if that message is necessarily getting out there.
This is continuing to spread. I'm going to show a map quickly of the country we know where the measles is now, we know where it's been, and we know the new states there that are starting to also have new measles cases as well.
So, that's the big concern. New York is taking some proactive action. We don't know if we're going to see similar things in other states. Let me remind you one more thing. This is one of the most contagious infectious diseases out there. You take a look at how long it can stay in the body, how it sort to spreads.
Look at that bottom line there. 90 percent of people who are not vaccinated and are then exposed will get the measles. So, if you sitting next to somebody on a plane, they have a cold, it's a good chance you're not going to get the cold.
With measles is exactly the opposite, because it's so contagious and that's a message Christi and Victor that really needs to get out there, as well.
PAUL: Very good. Sanjay Gupta, thank you so much. He's going to join us next hour. as well, by the way.
BLACKWELL: Yes, and be sure to watch the premiere of "CHASING LIFE WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA", tonight at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.
PAUL: So, Hillary Clinton is talking about the Mueller report. CNN's Fareed Zakaria sat down with the former Secretary of State and Democratic presidential nominee. We'll show you that exchange.
[07:58:19] PAUL: Attorney General William Barr, hoping to release a redacted version of the Mueller report next week. CNN's Fareed Zakaria sat down with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well.
BLACKWELL: And he asked her about the 2020 presidential field immigration, and of course, the Mueller report. Here is a few of her responses.
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CLINTON: So, we're in this bit of a twilight zone, aren't we? There's a report that depending upon which figure you believe is somewhere between maybe 300-400 pages long. And it is not being delivered to the Congress which has an absolute right to see it. It is not being presented to the public. So, I think that what we saw in Congress with the attorney general's presentation in both the House and the Senate is someone who considers his principal duty to be protecting Donald Trump, not protecting the rule of law and the democracy that the Justice Department should be defending.
And I remember when Nixon was really upset because there was an investigation going on, and he fired people who would not do his bidding. Until he finally ended up with somebody who would do his bidding. But it didn't save him because the information that had been collected was made available to the Congress, to the courts, and eventually, to the public.
So, I would hope that the law is followed. That the information is provided that the American public and the press has a chance to go through these 300-400 pages with -- you know, as few redactions or cross-outs as possible.
And I think the Congress has to take a very hard look at what their remedies are if they are not given that information.
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