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Church Bells in Ring in Solidarity with Notre Dame; Hero Priest Saves Cathedral's Treasures; Source Says Trump Could Go Bonkers Over Redacted Report; Barr Says Some Asylum Seekers Could Be Held in U.S. Indefinitely; CNN Covers Venezuela's Multi-Billion Dollar Drug Trade. Aired 2-3p ET
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[14:00:00] HALA GORANI, CNN HOST: Hello, everyone. Live from CNN London, I'm Hala Gorani.
Tonight, honoring Paris. Bells ring out in France as investigators still try to figure out how the devastating fire started. And also tonight, an
astonishing view of the cocaine trade. And nearly 20 years after the Columbine massacre, police say a who was wanted for making threats has been
found. We are learning new details from firefighters this evening who raced into the burning Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Its spire and roof
Firefighters say they made it a priority to save treasured artworks. The fire brigade said crews arrived quickly. There was a 20-minute delay
before they were called. Investigators want to know why no one inside Notre Dame seemed to notice the flames at first despite an alarm sounding
right when the fire started.
Bells across France rang out to show solidarity with Notre Dame. Some of the most famous treasures from Notre Dame are still with us, thanks in part
o the actions of one man, who once again, has proved to be a hero in Paris. Melissa Bell has this story.
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MELISSA BELL, CNN PARIS CORRESPONDENT: As flames engulfed Notre Dame Cathedral, the world looked on in horror. But for Catholics, of most
concern was what was inside. The crown of thrones believed to have been worn by Jesus Christ during his crucifixion, brought out every year on Good
Friday for worshipers to kiss. As crowds gathered on Monday night, many prayed for the safety of the priceless treasure.
As they watch it had firefighters battle the flames on the outside, inside firefighters were doing what they could to save the relics. One man who
played a key role is the fire brigade chaplain, Father Jean-Marc Fournier, a man no stranger to tragedy. During the Bataclan theatre terrorist attack
in 2015, he was on the scene helping to rescue the wounded in the Paris concert hall. This time, he's again being praised for his heroism.
REVEREND JEAN-MARC FOURNIER, FIRE BRIGADE CHAPLAIN (through translator): We had to get the codes in order to exact the crown of thorns from the
safe, but we couldn't get hold of the people who had the codes. By the time I got the keys to the crypt and rushed back into the Cathedral, we
realized the other team had gotten there before us and had managed to get into the safe.
BELL: Thanks to the father, the crown and tunic worn by Louie the Ninth when he brought it from Constantinople are being stored at Paris's town
hall along with some of the extraordinary artworks housed by Notre Dame. Also retrieved, the rooster that once sat upon the Cathedral's spire a
symbol of France containing relics that are meant to protect Paris.
DIDIER DURAND, HELPED RETRIEVE NOTRE DAME ROOSTER (through translator): We're going to operate on the rooster to check that the relics are still
inside. It is an emblem. The French rooster is an emblem of France, the deeper of water he's in, the more he sings. We're going to rise from our
ashes. And to think that France is behind the idea of this rooster which we will lift back into position.
BELL: Without the heroism of so many on Monday night, the damage caused by the fire could have been worse which would have made the sorrow of Paris
and the world that much greater.
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GORANI: So incredible to see that hole where the spire once stood. Melissa bell, thanks for joining us live from Paris. Incredible story
about that chaplain, but I wonder what more do we know today about how sound the roof is where the spire was, where we're seeing that big hole?
Is that stable now?
[14:05:00] BELL: Well, we've been hearing this afternoon from the Paris fire brigade about those ongoing investigations and really, we've been
witnessing them night and day going through this structure, inspecting it, the. They are a few hot spots that going through this structure,
inspecting it, the. Going through this structure, inspecting it, the. They are a few hot spots that remain to be investigated.
But this is the first step of the process before anyone else can come in and begin the restoration work or look into the origins of the fire. It's
been a long process. It's a huge building. We've been hearing more from the fire brigade about how very close to loosing this masterpiece the world
actually came. It was between 9:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. on the night of the fire as we watched in horror as the flames began to get close to the
tower on the right-hand side.
And what they were saying to us today is that it took 20 firefighters risking their lives at that moment to prevent that fire from spreading and
making its way all the way up to the beams of the top of that tower. An awful lot of heroism and hard work and these firefighters once again being
praised as heroes.
GORANI: And are we starting to talk about things like why wasn't there a sprinkler system, why did the alarm go off and for several minutes people
didn't realize there was a fire? Those types of questions right now where people are starting to ask why -- not just that the fire started, but why
it spread so quickly in the first place?
BELL: Well, this is, again, what they were addressing head on today saying they got here as quickly as they could. The first alarm sounded at 6:20
local. It wasn't until the second alarm sounded that that fire was detected and the fire crews came. But what we've heard now is that the
firearm were here within 10 minutes and began that operation. We've also been hearing more about how delicate it was.
They were explaining to us this afternoon that they couldn't point their hoses of water up at the structure. They had to be careful about the
intensity of the water given how fragile it was. And there was a question of all the artwork as we've been hearing inside. It took a hundred
firefighters to extract it from the being. And what we heard from a press conference was that that artwork is now in the process of being moved from
the town hall, which is just across the seine river here to the louvre museum.
But clearly, a very delicate operation and one that could very easily have failed. We might have lost this forever and so much of what was inside.
Of course then the scale of the tragedy would have been all the greater. One note, Hala, perhaps on that delay between the first and the second fir
alarm, it did allow the e evacuation of Notre Dame.
GORANI: Thanks very much. Day two, hard to believe that fire ever took place and we remember watching it unfold on television. There is a lot of
activity at the White House today but nothing overshadows the anticipation that has been building for months over the findings of that Russia
investigation. We're now just a day away from the release of a redacted version of the Mueller report. Now President Trump currently is hosting an
investment conference this hour.
We're watching to see if he mentions the report. If he does, we'll bring that to you. Attorney General William Barr has been blacking out sensitive
information, but the report could drive President Trump bonkers even if it's not politically damaging. Let's bring in Stephen Collinson in for the
details. After Barr issued that four-page summary letter, it was a victory lap by the President saying I'm exonerated. Why so much concern now?
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: I think the -- there were two issues, there's the political one and the personal one. The political one
is that they've had the best news they're going to get out of this through Barr's letter. So any information about the President's behavior during
the campaign, the behavior of his family and his aides and whether he took steps that appear to look at least like obstructing justice, that could be
[14:10:00] The reason why a lot of these aides were worried as you mentioned is they spoke to Robert Mueller, actually encouraged by the White
House, the fear is that some of the things they have to say will reflect badly on the President and we know from previous experience that this is a
President who values loyalty, he has a very thin skin for criticism, particularly from people close to him. So the worry is that he will lash
out at some of his people, perhaps missing the big picture of the report, fixating on details that are personally critical of him.
And I think that is why some of these people are going to have a nervous few hours before this report comes out tomorrow.
GORANI: Is it likely that we'll learn information about people close to the President and this report that it was -- that we didn't learn through
the indictments that came out of it that may not have led to Robert Mueller issuing indictments and accusing anyone of criminal wrongdoing, but things
that could be embarrassing to the President's inner circle.
COLLINSON: Certainly. And we don't know how Mueller spoke to a lot of these people, if you were a White House aide, you were called before a
grand jury and had to testify and some of that testimony should be redacted by Barr. If, for example, it was simply an informal interview with the
special counsel's office, a lot of staff did conduct and including Trump's former counsel, Don McGahn, that could possibly be sort of revealed by the
So we don't really know exactly the criteria that Barr is going to use for redactions. That's why there's this uncertainty. The most interesting
thing is we've been waiting for two years to finally hear from Robert Mueller and his own voice. The question is, will the redactions allow that
voice to come through or are we going to go into a real period now of Democrats trying to get what Barr didn't want to put in the report out and
I think we can see legal challenges to that end by the end of this week.
GORANI: Sure. I'm wondering if we're going to see pages where you have a page and then 98 percent is black and you have two words or if we'll be
able to read whole chunks. It's going to be interesting.
Mr. Trump's Attorney General is making headlines on another front, this one involving a highly controversial new policy on migrants and asylum seekers.
William Barr has ruled that asylum seekers who establish a credible fear can no longer be released on bond by an immigration judge. What does that
mean? It means that people who have a legitimate asylum claim could be jailed indefinitely because a judge can no longer order them to be released
That is pretty remarkable. What is motivating -- what is the Attorney General saying is motivating this decision?
PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN POLITICS REPORTER: So what we have here is what appears to be another move by the Trump administration to deter asylum
seekers or migrants from approaching the U.S.-Mexico border. And so this is line with what we've seen on a crackdown of asylum claims here in the
United States. Now this could affect thousands of migrants.
This is particularly going to be for migrants who cross illegally and claim asylum and so what we have here is the possibility that they could face
detention since it will be up to the Department of Homeland Security to decide whether they can be released. Attorneys that I've talked to say
this is, quote, huge and, quote, horrible news and it's already likely to face legal challenges, the ACLU has threatened to take this to court.
This ruling does not take affect for another 90 days. Surely there will be a challenge that comes in that time based off of the statements that we've
seen so far from immigrant groups.
GORANI: Just so our viewers are clear, we're talking about people who have crossed illegally but have a legitimate claim of -- to say that they were
persecuted at home and have a legitimate asylum claim, right?
ALVAREZ: Yes. So these are folks who have had an interview, a credible interview, and are believed to have a credible -- they are believed to have
a credible fear from wherever they are coming from. Now, as far as the legitimacy of that claim, that is up to an immigration judge whether they
find that claim to be legitimate and that they can stay in the United States, but typically what happens in these cases is they have that initial
interview, if they have that incredible fear and they have a date for their next immigration hearing, they're released into the United States.
Now, President Donald Trump has criticized this as quote, unquote catch and release, this seems to be again part of the administration's moves to crack
down on that and also crack down on asylum seekers.
[14:15:07] GORANI: This was deemed credible enough so that they could present their case. But how long would it take if they're not released,
how long would they be detained?
ALVAREZ: The immigration courts are immensely overwhelmed. Right now we're looking at around -- more than 800,000 pending cases in the
immigration court. When we talk about indefinitely, pending cases in the immigration court. When we talk about indefinitely, the reason why is
because oftentimes these hearings are scheduled far into the future. It could take a very long time to get through the system because it is
GORANI: All right. Thanks very much. It's extremely rare to find bipartisan consensus in Washington these days, but Congress did come
together to demand an end to U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led war in Yemen only to have President Trump veto that resolution today. He called it an
unnecessary attempt to weaken his authority.
The war has created a horrific humanitarian crisis and should have required the authorization of Congress. Still to come this evening, CNN takes you
to the cocaine superhighway and the role that Venezuela's government is playing. And just days before the anniversary of one of the worst school
shootings in the U.S., the police in Colorado say there's no longer a threat to the community with somebody obsessed with the Columbine massacre.
We'll tell you more after this.
GORANI: Venezuela is a nation struggling and a nation starving. But also a nation where some people are getting rich by helping to traffic drugs to
the United States. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh has spent months on an exclusive investigation, one that ties the military and political elite to a massive
drug-running operation. Take a look.
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NICK PATON WALSH, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Below is a cocaine superhighway enriching Venezuela's corrupt elite and bringing coke to
American streets. These are secret pathways from the cocaine heartland below across into Venezuela. Billions of dollars of the drug are smuggled
north in tiny planes. U.S. and regional officials have told CNN aided by Venezuela's army and elite.
[14:20:00] The Columbian military we are with don't get any lower to stay out of the range of machine guns and talked to locals through the leaflets
We've stopped drug flights out of Columbia he tells me. But not from places we don't control. He means Venezuela just five miles away. They
think they've spotted a cocaine laboratory one of many fueling Venezuela's role as cocaine courier which a CNN investigation has learned is booming
just as the country collapses. 240 tons went to Columbia from 2018. Up a third in one year which could fetch $40 billion on U.S. streets.
That traffic happening down below, one possible reason it's alleged by so many in the one possible reason it's alleged by so many in the Venezuelan
army are reluctant to give up on Nicolas Maduro. They're making too much money.
The trade remains secret inside Venezuela on the other side of the border here. But we were able to learn more about these illegal routes in from
recent defectors from the Venezuelan army border patrol and how their officers told them to allow specific trucks through carrying cocaine. For
five years this sergeant got those orders three times a week.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The cars that crossed we would be told the color and make of the truck and when. Usually just after dawn or
dusk. Everything was coordinated by the brigade commander. He would send you a lieutenant to tell you what needed to cross. Those who didn't agree,
were swapped out.
WALSH: He fled to Columbia when the pressure became too much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We were locked on the base. The general would say, everyone one with us, leave or speak against the
government, you'll get arrested. They had us brainwashed with food handouts. One night I couldn't take it anymore. I went home and told my
wife we leave for Columbia. My son started crying and said, dad, what are we doing to do? But I knew if they stayed without me, they'd be captured
WALSH: Venezuelan state TV occasionally shows how their armed forces crack down on the trade. They have previously rejected allegations they are
actually running the drugs. They did not respond to several requests for comment. But a U.S. official has told CNN that these flights are surging.
They used to take off from the southern Wednesday jungle but have moved north to reduce flying time. They used to be three a week but last year
they were almost daily.
This year they've seen as many as eight in a single day using 50 hidden runways. CNN has seen a U.S. radar map here that shows the sharp turn left
before landing on the coastline off of Honduras before the cocaine travels north through Mexico to the United States. Honduras is where we pick up
the trail of this booming traffic again on the coastline below turned into a graveyard of planes. The cargo they carry is worth so many millions, the
plane itself is a fraction.
Many are discarded all over the jungle or crammed here into one river bend. The troops don't want to be on camera for their safety. Some of these have
their markings torn off to make the job of working exactly where they came from even harder. America's drug habit is where the money all begins. But
that same open market also supplies a key part of the logistics here.
You can still see N-4 meaning this plane originated in the United States. A U.S. official says brokers buy up planes in the United States and send
them south to start the cocaine journey north from Venezuela. Another plane that started its days in the United States.
It's the entire region is in on it. This is surely Honduras's biggest industry, the billions at stake everywhere, from this jungle road, which is
a hidden runway, up to the Honduran President's brother indicted last year on drug trafficking charges.
[14:25:00] You can't stop the planes being sold or taking off, so they have to try to make landing harder by blowing holes in the runways. Just
slowing down this trade requires so many more holes to be blown in this vast jungle. The amount of money cocaine brings here literally dwarfs any
effort to fight it. Insane amounts of cash into some villages along this coastline.
The army tells us traffickers flying towards these villages kick their cargo overboard. Each bundle of cocaine is attacked to floats. They pay
this community's a fisherman $150,000 for each recovered bundle. Most officials admit they are in disbelief and no operation can hope to
challenge. One that sees the collapsing Maduro government cashing in fast in a region of desperate delivery man. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN.
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GORANI: Nick, is there any way to trace these planes, who their owners are. You said they were purchased by a shell company. That must make it a
WALSH: It's a complex task because the people who purchase these planes, they hide through they are through shell companies and the planes disappear
south towards Mexico and then to Venezuela. Oven they retain some part of the number. And frankly the only reason you know as a law enforcement
they've done something wrong is when that plane is found in somewhere like Honduras.
GORANI: And Venezuela is denouncing the claim that they're involved in any away.
WALSH: Yes, they are. We've asked them a number of times for a comment on this and they did not give us one. But they have through their foreign
minister he finally makes this comment, he says faced with the tremendous failure of Columbia, in the fight against drug trafficking and Trump's
claim, they appeal to the recycle strategy of trying to distract public opinion from Venezuela saying that this is all a way of trying to show they
have won the war on drugs in south America. What we understand is a little bit different.
The U.S. and Columbia say that they do a pretty good job of sorting illegal flights coming off Columbia. That's borne out by a lot of maps, a lot of
people I spoke to as well said interesting to hear them respond today.
GORANI: Once they land, they crash the plane because they can't use it again, otherwise it's traceable.
WALSH: There are some people who say some of these planes fly back because of infrastructure, surveillance has collapsed and nobody cares. They fly
back and carry cash to Venezuela. Although it seems the best way to hide it is to burn the plane.
GORANI: And then once they land in Honduras, then the drugs travel via land.
WALSH: Yes. The price of each kilogram goes up significantly once it lands. And there's a price from the Honduran or Guatemalan -- a lot of
these planes land in Guatemala, and then it travels through Mexico and then into the U.S. $40 billion and that's money which changes anybody's
perspective who comes into contact with it.
GORANI: Our senior international correspondent with that exclusive report. Peru's former President shot himself in the head just after police arrived
at his home with a warrant for his arrest. Garcia had been under investigation for bribery in connection with a massive corruption scandal
involving several leadings. Garcia tweeted on Tuesday that there was, quote, no shred of evidence against him.
The search for a teen who was infatuated with the Columbine school shooting is over. What police in Colorado are saying about how the manhunt ended.
Plus Sudan's ousted President is now behind bars. The protests continue, what the people want from their military after the break. We're live in
[14:30:32] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: This has been a day of fear in Colorado. More than 20 school districts were shut down as police
searched for an 18-year-old who may have been planning to attack a school. She was described as infatuated with the Columbine massacre that happened
almost exactly 20 years ago. The anniversary, by the way, is on Saturday of that massacre.
In just the past hour or so, we got word the threat is over and Scott McLean joins me now live from Columbine High School with more. What are
police telling us, Scott?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Hala. So this is a pretty sad ending to this story, that woman that you mentioned, this 18-year-old
named Sol Pais was found dead, apparently, from a self-inflected gunshot wound in a pretty remote mountain area here in Colorado. This all started
yesterday though when schools in this area were first put on notice to go onto lockout, which means no one can come or go from the building and then
they released her name and her description.
And the reason that they were concerned is because she had come all the way from Florida here to Colorado, apparently, she had made some unspecified
threats against schools or the area.
And she also had what police called an infatuation with the Columbine school shooting. This is the Columbine High School here. And as you
mentioned, 20 years ago on Saturday, 13 people were killed in a mass shooting here. She seemed to have this odd fascination with that.
And so they were concerned about what she might do when she got on the ground. Police say she bought a pump action shotgun and then she was
driven out to the Foothills area, just outside of Metro Denver area. Beyond that, they didn't have any information. They called this a massive
Just this morning, we got word that there was some police activity in that remote mountain area that I mentioned and that is where this body was
What's interesting here, though, Hala, is how exactly did she get out there? How did police find her? We know that they had been searching some
areas where they had last seen. But we know that they hadn't had a credible sighting in the last 24 hours as of this morning. So there are
still a lot of unanswered questions. But at least for now, people in this community can breathe a sigh of relief.
Today, they had actually canceled school for 20 school districts. Not schools. School districts. So we are talking about hundreds of schools,
more than half a million students affected. So, obviously, the threat was enough that they were to cancel school for that many students. Clearly,
not something that they take lightly, Hala.
GORANI: Yes, absolutely. And we're approaching that 20th anniversary. Are they more concerned now that there could be, I don't know, people --
copycat attacks or threats to school. What are authorities telling you about that, about the anniversary itself?
MCLEAN: Yes. So last year, I interviewed the former principal of Columbine, who was principal 20 years ago when the massacre took place, and
he says that over the past few decades, there have been all kinds of bizarre threats and bizarre people coming who are fascinated with this
shooting. He recalled there was one woman who had come to essentially pay respect to one of the shooters. Just all kinds of bizarre people.
And, today, they're stressing, look, Columbine is not a tourist attraction. It's not a place that you need to go, unless you are a student. And so
they are used to threats here. They are used to lockouts, they are used to lockdowns.
But this one felt different, it looked different, and certainly it caught the attention of people here. That is what authorities are saying. And so
they don't expect any other issues. But, of course, there is always increased security especially around the Columbine anniversary date that as
you mentioned is coming up on this Saturday.
[14:35:13] And so they are hoping that the memorials, the events that are associated with that date can go off without a hitch. That's the last
thing this community needs here, Hala.
GORANI: Sure. Scott McLean, thanks very much. Reporting from Colorado.
Well, from Colorado, let's go to Sudan where sources say deposed president, Omar al-Bashir, has been moved from house arrest at home to a maximum
security prison where, by the way, some political dissidents that had been in prison during his presidency were held.
The protestors that helped topple his regime last week have not gone away though. They are now on the streets demanding that civilian government
that they've been asking for.
Let's get the latest. Nima Elbagir is in Sudan's capital. Khartoum. Talk to us about where Bashir is. It's always remarkable these long-standing
dictators that end up behind bars. We've seen it in many other Arab countries. What's it like? And what are people telling you around you
about the idea of Bashir in prison?
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is a prison that's absolutely infamous for oppressing political dissidents over the
decades. It has a dark place in Sudan's history. And the irony is that al-Bashir, we believe, is housed in a cell that was previously renovated to
house his political rival.
And as one eyewitness put it to me, he will have been led past the very same hangman's noose that he sent other opposition figures too. It is hard
to underplay how symbolic this is for the Sudanese people that he was sent to where he has sent to so many.
But what's also been extraordinary, Hala, is that this is still not enough. The protestors continue to tell us, we have been very clear in our demands.
Symbolic concessions, even justice for al-Bashir and what he did to us, we'll take that. But what we really want is freedom.
And tomorrow, they have called for a million man march to re-drive that home to Sudan's latest military rulers, Hala.
GORANI: Will Sudan be different from, say, Egypt or other countries where you had strong men removed, but then essentially the military calls the
shots again down the road and installs their hand-picked leader. Why would Sudan be an exception? I guess is the question.
ELBAGIR: That is absolutely the key question. And what's interesting is that this is a question that the protestors seem to be asking themselves.
How and why will Sudan be different? For a start, I think it's the fact that the protestors seem to have understood very early on that if they see
the territory that they have gained, if they leave the demonstration site, then they lose their power.
So they're actually working in shifts, Hala. It's about 42 degrees Celsius at the hottest time of the day. It is hot in Khartoum, but they have
shifts to be there during the height of the afternoon sun and then they have overnight shifts that they can't be overcome at night and then they
have the parties they throw to encourage people to join them and swell their numbers. So they have thought through that.
But also the international community seems to have taken a different approach this time. The African Union has given Sudan's military rulers 15
days, that's it, no more, to hand over power to a civilian authority or they will have their membership suspended. Which is what the African Union
did in Egypt's case.
But, here, it seems that the African Union is being joined by America, they're being by the European Union. So it seems African -- the
international community itself doesn't want to see Sudan's Arab Spring. So that was North African Spring. Though the way that the Arab spring did.
But, of course, so much is still to play for. There are still elements of the old regime at large. We still hear sporadic gunfire on the streets.
This is not a settled situation. But protestors seem incredibly committed, Hala.
GORANI: All right. Nima Elbagir in Khartoum, thanks very much.
Check us out on Facebook, facebook.com/halagoranicnn or on Twitter, @HalaGorani.
The Indonesian president appears to be on track to win a second term after an early vote count. The official election result won't be announced until
next month and what is a complicated day of voting, with a quarter of a million candidates across thousands of islands. You can imagine the
logistics are extraordinary.
Will Ripley explains how they do it there.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Indonesia, the world's third largest democracy, the election is a horse race to the
Ballots travel by horseback, by boat, and through the notorious traffic jams of Jakarta.
[14:40:01] It's one of the most extraordinary exercises of democracy in action and in fast forward.
Indonesia's combined presidential and legislative votes are the biggest single-day elections in the world. And polls are open for just six hours.
For a nation of nearly 193 million eligible voters.
In a repeat of 2014, voters once again, seat presidential candidate, Joko Widodo, also known as Jokowi, facing off against former military general,
Initial results show the incumbent Jokowi in the lead, but votes are still being counted. For Indonesia's elections mammoth elections --
Ben Bland, Southeast Asia Project Director, Lowy Institute: The logistics of this election are fiendishly complicated.
RIPLEY: The numbers are staggering. 245,000 candidates, 20,000 seats, 800,000 polling stations and six million election workers. And they have
move all those ballots across a vast nation of islands, stretching more than 3,000 miles from east to west.
BLAND: Indonesia has spread over hundreds, if not thousands of islands, many of these places are very remote in mountain villages. You have to
access place -- some places by small boats, on foot, in some cases. And remember that many different areas have different ballots because they're
voting for different local candidates.
RIPLEY: Here, it really does take a village, or at least a village polling station, that's where votes are counted, sorted and sent out. From sub
district to district, to providence and then finally to the big city where results are certified and the winners are expected to be announced in late
Will Ripley, CNN.
GORANI: A lot of you watching us use Netflix. But in the future, you might have a choice because major companies like Apple and Disney are
entering the streaming wars and this may make Netflix life a lot harder.
Also, more arrests in London. It is the third day of climate protests. We'll have a live report. Stay with us.
GORANI: The number of measles cases has been soaring recently. The World Health Organization says there are over 100,000 cases around the world. In
a sign of how dangers measles can be, an Israeli flight attendant is in a coma after contracting it.
Elizabeth Cohen has more.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Hala, many people think of measles as a fever and a rash, but unfortunately, measles can be deadly.
Globally, out of every 100 cases of measles, one or two of those people will die. That is not a low mortality rate. Sometimes they die of
pneumonia. Sometimes they die of a disease called encephalitis.
[14:45:04] Encephalitis is what this flight attendant has. She slipped into a coma more than 10 days ago. She's not breathing on her own. She's
on a respirator. Health authorities and her family, of course, are hoping for the best.
Now, this woman, we are told, did get a vaccine as a child. She's now 43 years old. She would have been vaccinated, sometimes in the mid-70s. And
then that time, in Israel, and around the world, children only got one dose of the measles vaccine.
Later, that was found to be 93 percent effective. Not too bad, but not as good as it could be. So now, children get two doses and that's 97 percent
So the vaccine did work for most people who got it when back in the mid- 70s. But unfortunately, it doesn't appear that it worked for her. Hala?
GORANI: All right. Elizabeth Cohen, thanks very much.
Now to what doctors in India are describing as a miraculous recovery, this construction worker is on the mend after surgeons removed a metal rod from
his head. This is what the rod looked like, the product of a fall at a construction site about a week ago. Look at the X-rays. That's
unbelievable. Doctors say it took about 90 minutes to remove it. I didn't pierce any major blood vessels in the brain. And it caused no trauma. He
will be released from hospital later this week. But he was young and healthy. Young and healthy when that rod run through his head. Lucky guy.
Netflix is proving that it still holds the streaming media crown for now, at least. It is seeing off competition from newcomers, Disney, Amazon,
Netflix added a record 9.6 million subscribers in the first quarter of the year.
Now, there were fears the company's recent price hike in the U.S. would cause people to leave, but they're on the brink of 150 million, overall,
So, how long can Netflix be the dominant player? Samuel Burke is here.
And, Samuel, we were discussing this before the show that Netflix's top streamed shows are not its original productions. And so therefore, with
these newcomers, Disney and the rest of them, they could lose a lot of content. Freedom content.
SAMUEL BURKE, CNN BUSINESS & TECHNOLOGY CORRESPONDENT: It's not so much about stealing the customers right away. What they're more fearful of is
stealing the shows. I just want to put up some numbers here for your viewers on the screen. Stop and ask yourself, what do you think the most
popular shows on Netflix are? These are the most popular shows according to Jumpstart and (INAUDIBLE) seven percent means seven percent of all the
time spent watching on Netflix is "The Office," the U.S. version. Four percent, "Friends." "Parks and Recreation," two percent. "Grey's
Anatomy," two percent.
None of the Netflix originals that get so much buzz that we talk about are even on the top 10. If we just go to one other screen here, you'll see
"Orange is the New Black," that's the most popular original Netflix show according to these numbers. Less than one percent. And you see those
other numbers there.
Now, those first shows that we showed you, "The Office" belongs to NBC which is going to be doing their own streaming package. "Friends" belongs
to Warner, our parent company, which will be doing its own streaming package.
GORANI: So it'll be fragmented?
BURKE: Exactly. Now, a lot of people say who's going to pay for all these services, but maybe "Friends" is your favorite show. And when these people
who are binging "Friends" nonstop, maybe they'll switch to the Warner Media service because "Friends" was there.
GORANI: Because you could re-watch that. "Making a Murderer," for instance, was a big hit for Netflix and those crime documentaries, et
cetera. But you don't really re-watch those.
I mean, I guess "Friends," which is kind of -- you can watch it several times. I thought "Bird Box." I don't know why. Because they released
numbers after Christmas in the tens of millions of households.
BURKE: Do not be fooled by Netflix numbers because they only release what they want to release. Those numbers that I was just showing your viewers
actually come from an outside source. And so Netflix can very easily manipulate their numbers. Not change their numbers, I shouldn't say that.
But show you the numbers that they want to show you to make you feel one thing.
So the real question here is, will -- I think a lot of people are pulled into Netflix by some of these buzzy shows like, "Orange is the New Black,"
"House of Cards," but then they stick around and get so many hours of viewing from these reruns. And, of course, Netflix doesn't have anything
GORANI: So let's fast forward to the future and in five years, will you and I -- because we love -- I mean, I love watching something, especially
after covering news all day, going home and watching something that relaxes my brain. But are we going to have to then subscribe for $7 a month to
this, $4.99 a month for that, and have like three or four streaming platforms? That's not very convenient for us.
BURKE: Certainly not convenient. I've done a list where I've been thinking, OK. So you've got Amazon Prime, Netflix, the Warner option
that's going to come out soon. A lot of Americans have Hulu, Disney, Apple, and then you're going to have the NBC ad-supported one. That's the
only one that's really different in terms of the business model. They're talking about ads there instead of having you pay seven to $15 a month.
Yes, it's going to look a lot --
GORANI: In the middle of shows or just before and after?
BURKE: That part, we don't know yet. And it's interesting because Facebook has been experimenting with just ads in the middle. Not at the
end. But at the end of the day, a lot of that will add up to something very similar to what the cable package costs, which is of course what many
people are trying to avoid by signing up for some of these services.
[14:50:12] GORANI: It was also inconvenient exiting, and whatever, and changing the output. Some of you guys were. Exactly.
Samuel Burke, thanks very much for that update.
We were hoping to get Anna Stewart up on some pink boat, I'm told.
BURKE: That protest?
GORANI: I'm not sure if she was successful. No, she was not. Though she was wearing a pink coat. So we're halfway there.
Anna, what's going on with these protestors? Because I understand 300 people were arrested today.
ANNA STEWART, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They sure were. And (INAUDIBLE) London as you've probably never seen it before. Now home to
protestors who have been here since Monday. And as you'll see on the top of Oxford Circus, a pink yacht hosting a deejay. After the break.
GORANI: More than 300 people have been arrested in London today after three days of climate protests. Demonstrators have been targeting public
transport today with some gluing themselves to actual trains. Others have been blocking traffic in key locations across the city.
Anna Stewart has our story.
STEWART (voice-over): A little bit of jamming, a little bit of sleeping. It feels like somewhere between a festival and a street party.
But this is part of a major protest by Extinction Rebellion or Waterloo Bridge. The method, disruption. The message, climate change is an
emergency and the government needs to act.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want to get the attention of the government, we want them to listen to our demands and to acquiesce. And then, of course,
we want them to agree to meet with Extinction Rebellion.
STEWART: The mood shifted here mid-afternoon, as the police moved in. Coordinator, Yanai Postelnik, warned the crowds and told those willing to
be arrested to come forward.
YANAI POSTELNIK, PROTEST COORDINATOR: No one will resist arrest, but they won't assist the arrests. So the officers will have to work to remove
As it turned out, Yanai was arrested first.
STEWART (on-camera): The protests have been peaceful here, all day. But as you can see, yes, people are being arrested. And that's because while
they're being peaceful, it's not legal for them to protest here. The protestors have been told to move to Marble Arch, and if they don't, they
are liable to be arrested and taken away.
STEWART: Protestors were also apprehended at Canary Wharf for standing on top of tubes and gluing their hands to the doors. A short-lived
In total, over 300 people have been arrested since Monday. Days of disruption for London's commuters, but many support the cause.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's obviously divert in traffic and bus routes, allegedly 66 bus routes have been basically scattered as a result. But
it's for a very valid reason.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need to do something because we have basically 12 years to save, so we need something. Definitely, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's quite crazy really by -- it shows that people here really interested in making a change in the community, in the climate.
STEWART: Support that will be welcomed here, given more protests and arrests are expected in the days to come.
[14:55:05] GORANI: And, Anna, joins me now, live. I mean, the crowds, they're colorful, they're getting arrested and everything, but I was kind
of struck by the fact that they're not that big.
STEWART: Well, I don't know. There are quite a few people here I'd say. And there's certainly enough to bring London to a bit of a standstill.
Here, Waterloo Bridge, we just showed you, Parliament Square. People not being able to get around. About 60 bus routes aren't working, currently.
It's a lot of disruption to have.
Whether or not it will make enough of a difference to get government action is another question. And we have seen plenty of arrests today that will
likely be more tomorrow as demonstrations are expected to continue.
GORANI: All right. And there's a lady there performing. It's all very colorful. Not too far from where we are here, actually. We get to wave to
them on the way home.
Anna, thanks very much.
Finally tonight, an unexpected find in the middle of the sea. The crew was working on an oil rig, 220 kilometers off the coast of Thailand when they
spotted something bobbing in the waves. It was a dog. They tossed him a rope. Look at him. Look at him. Good boy.
And they managed to pull him into the rig. The pup was soaked. He was shivering. He was exhausted. And there's video of him.
Once on board, they gave him some fresh water and an electrolyte drink, because that's what you give parched dogs. The workers named him Boonrod,
which means survivor.
Well, if no one steps forward to claim him, one of the workers has offered to adopt Boonrod. How a dog ended up paddling for his life in the middle
of the gulf of Thailand remains a mystery. That was after the wash, I understand, they gave him a nice wash, wash off the salty seawater and then
Boonrod did what all dogs do when they've relaxed, he took a nap.
I wanted a feel-good story to end the show. And there it is. I hope it made you feel good.
Thanks for watching tonight. I'm Hala Gorani. Do stay with CNN. A lot more ahead. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is coming your way.