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Trump Tweets He's "With" NK Leader Kim Jong Un; Historic Disqualification at the Kentucky Derby; President Touts Surging Economy in Fight Against Democrats; Data Recorder Recovered from Jet That Slid Into Florida River; Riley Howell to Be Laid to Rest with Full Military Honors; Rise in Attempted Suicide By Poison Driven By Young Girls, Women. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired May 5, 2019 - 07:00   ET




[07:00:10] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: North Korea test fires multiple projectiles and rocket launchers, almost daring President Trump to react.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump trying to maintain a personal relationship with Kim Jong-un.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The point is they are taking advantage of us and I've never seen this country this weak in decades.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were 135 people on board and seven crew members. The aircraft overran the runway. Everybody survived.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, at the moment of impact, I went forward and hit my head on the top roof and landed just remembering feeling water from above.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, for the first time in history of the Kentucky Derby the horse who crossed the line first has been disqualified!


ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.


This morning, we are getting the latest out of North Korea. The state news agency says North Korean leader Kim Jong-un personally oversaw Saturday's strike drill as they call it. They say long-range rocket launchers and tactical guided weapons were tested.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, President Trump has been seemingly unfazed with Kim Jong-un's testing, in part, quote, I'm with him.

Could the North Koreans be trying to gain leverage over the U.S. after the failed summit last year? That is the question. BLACKWELL: In Florida, the NTSB says they still don't know what

caused a plane to skid off the runway at Jacksonville's naval air station.

CNN's national correspondent Natasha Chen is in Florida -- Natasha.

NATASHA CHEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, flight data recorder has been recovered but investigators will come back to the site today of that plane sitting in water because there is another crucial piece of evidence still in the tail of the plane submerged. A live report is coming up.

PAUL: And, oh, the drama at the derby! The first horse to cross the finish line at the Kentucky Derby wasn't crowned the winner.

CNN's Coy Wire is following all of that chaos for us.


A hundred and forty-five years of racing the derby, the crown jewel of the sport, but what happened at Churchill Downs yesterday, unprecedented. A controversial disqualification impact the riders, fans and flow of millions of dollar. The reply and details coming up on NEW DAY.

PAUL: Coy, thanks so much.

We do want to begin this morning with new weapons testing in North Korea. The Korean Central News Agency calling it a, quote, strike drill. They say the drills were personally overseen by North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.

BLACKWELL: Now, that does not seem to be putting relations with the U.S. in jeopardy. President Trump says he is with Kim Jong-un, just hours after North Korea test-fired the multiple projectiles on Saturday.

CNN White House reporter Sarah Westwood has the latest for us.

Sarah, good morning.

SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Good morning, Victor and Christi.

And yes, what we saw from President Trump was a relatively measured response to North Korea's what could be described as provocative actions on Friday night but the president has worked to maintain the perception his relationship with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un remains on solid footing, despite this new development. The president has been pursuing a denuclearization deal with North Korea and he believes that his personal relationship with Kim Jong-un is key to getting that agreement even though North Korea has shown no signs of abandoning its nuclear ambitions.

Here is what President Trump wrote yesterday about the launches. Anything in this interesting world is possible, but I believe that Kim Jong-un fully realizes the great economic potential of North Korea and will do nothing to interfere or end it.

And he goes on to say, he also knows that I am with him and does not want to break his promise to me. Deal will happen.

So, obviously, we are a long way from the days of rocket man and fire and fury. The president not looking to escalate the situation. Again, he has held out hope he will reach some kind of denuclearization agreement with North Korea even after leaving talks with Kim Jong-un in Hanoi earlier this year empty-handed, without making any more progress toward that deal.

And the president has used the fact that North Korea has largely stopped missile launches, stopped nuclear testing as the marker of the success of his decision to engage North Korea but with the resumption of those launches this weekend, that could change the calculus, this could complicate the president's strategy toward North Korea -- Victor and Christi.

BLACKWELL: Sarah Westwood at the White House, thank you.

PAUL: So, Karoun Demirjian, CNN political analyst and congressional reporter for "The Washington Post" is with us now, as well as Juliette Kayyem, CNN national security analyst, former assistant DHS secretary and Harvard professor.

Ladies, so good to have you with us. Good morning to you.

Juliette, I do want to start and ask you about your opinion on this because if you've got the central news agency in Korea saying this was a strike drill and saying that Kim Jong-un personally oversaw this, in your opinion, based on what we know, do any of these seem to be missiles that might have been launched?

[07:05:05] And, if so, how does that change the game, if at all?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, just from public reporting, it doesn't seem like they are missiles that this was just a provocation, a sort of an alarm bell from North Korea, you know, call it a projectile, all call it what you will, but it was not a long-range missile test and not anything that was immediately threatening to allies or neighbors of North Korea. So then if you just view it as a sort of Kim wanting to sort of get Donald Trump to pay attention, then the question is whether the strategy that Donald Trump has used to get to the consistent and common goal of denuclearization, a strategy that was transactional but, you know, between the two men, we are friends, what you read in the tweet, whether it's working.

And I think it's just safe to say right now that that approach isn't because North Korea continues to provocate, continues to build after that meeting earlier this year and the United States or at least Donald Trump views that in the realm of a sort of transactional personal relationship rather than enforcing the United States interest which may be different from, you know, having a good relationship between Trump and Kim. PAUL: OK, so, Karoun, here is the thing. All presidents have had

issues trying to deal with North Korea, right? We just heard Bob Baer saying that he thinks North Korea is taking advantage of the U.S., that this country is so weak, others are saying the diplomatic approach they see Trump taking is the right thing to do.

What do you make of that?

KAROUN DEMIRJIAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think this has always been the scrutiny around the news that Trump is making. Look, people are skeptical when he first said he would meet Kim face-to- face. It was too early that the North Koreans are not made any gestures that would actually merit that sort of meeting with the leader of the free world. He went ahead with it any way even though his critics said, well, we hope it works.

Second time he met with him, then he walked away from that meeting, he was cheered, especially by Republicans, taking a line when there was no deal on the table.

But now, since then everybody has been a little bit of disarray, it's not clear exactly where the negotiations are going. There has been talk of the third one from the North Korean side and clearly though something is struck here, even though there is, you know, people in Congress say there is good people in charge of everything. And there seems to be a lot of dedication toward not letting go of the North Korea issue, you haven't seen any sort of development on that front.

And now, if you see Kim saber-rattling the way he seems to be at least with these projectiles, it kind of throws the whole strategy up into question which was never something anybody who was ever watching the Trump administration's moves ever felt completely comfortable with even if they were hopeful for the best possible outcome. So, we're kind of back to the question do they keep going this way or are we going to pitch back to late 2017 when the main claim that the president has been able to make the whole time at least no more missile launches and that as Juliet was saying is still the case but this is definitely tip toeing toward saying, well, we could, you know?

PAUL: So, Juliette, here's the thing -- not only do we have this potential provocation as it's being called but what about him meeting with Russia just a week and a half ago? What is the U.S. to do with something like that? And could that meeting with President Putin be determining how the president is dealing with this today?

KAYYEM: It definitely is. And, I mean, just to say the meeting doesn't result for much in North Korea other than a gesture that North Korea was embracing Russia as sort of slight to this idea that Trump and Kim can forge a relationship in the future. I want to pick up on something important Karoun said about diplomacy, this idea. We have a mission conception about diplomacy when we look at relationships like this it's only carrots, right, that it's only can be like, let's just be friends and move forward. That's actually not true. Sophisticated diplomacy we have seen in all sorts of negotiations tend to involve multiple parties, tend to involve a series of carrots and sticks. What you're trying to avoid is, of course, some sort of military

response or military action. So, the problem is that Trump -- with North Korea only sweep through the lens what can we give Kim to make him happy? Rather than does the United States have an interest in not making Kim happy, right? In other words, an increasing sanctions in isolating him, in isolating those who do economic -- who have economic interest in North Korea and we haven't taken that side of the diplomacy.

PAUL: All right. Karoun Demirjian, we appreciate both of you ladies being here. Thank you.

DEMIRJIAN: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Former Vice President Joe Biden says he is not going to get into the mud with President Trump, but coming up, how he responded to a voter who wanted him to use the nicknames like the president does.

[07:10:07] PAUL: Riley Howell, the student credited for stopping a campus gunman is going to be laid to rest with muscle military honors and his family is sharing their thoughts on his actions.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At first, we didn't know that he had done what he did and we knew he had been shot. When we got told that, it's like a huge weight lifted off our shoulders and you thought everything is right now. He did what he was supposed to do.


BLACKWELL: And an unprecedented decision to strip a Kentucky Derby crown. The first horse across the finish line didn't go home with the roses -- Coy.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: The derby has been run since 1875 and never has this happened before. Coming up, we will show you what happened and wait until you hear the reaction of the fans.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They disqualified him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did. For the first time in the history of the Kentucky derby, the horse that crossed the line first has been disqualified. After the objection, Country House wins the Kentucky Derby.


PAUL: I don't know what I'd do in that moment.

BLACKWELL: Well, you check your ticket. That's the first thing you do.

PAUL: Well, I guess, but I know my ticket and I knew I just won!

BLACKWELL: Well, hopefully, you had $5 or $10 on Country House because that was the 65-1. The story everybody is talking about, at least most people, and actually this is the second time in the 145- year history of the Kentucky Derby, it was back in the '60s I believe it was that there was a horse for some I guess doping of horses?

[07:15:07] PAUL: Essentially, yes.

BLACKWELL: It happens, I guess? The horse who crossed the finish line first did not win.

PAUL: Coy Wire is here to talk about this. You had to be stunned.

WIRE: Yes. Jaw dropping. It's like being Miss Colombia and just crowned Miss Universe, remember that?

PAUL: Yes!

WIRE: Is this a huge mistake and the crown jewel of the sport, the Kentucky Derby and never had the winner than stripped of the wine due to on-track violation. The prerace favorite Maximum Security led the entire race.

The rider you'll see in pink. Pay attention how close he is to the rail. They make the final turn it doesn't look like much but you can see the horse drifts wide farther from the rail but nobody thought anything of it and thinking Maximum Security just won his first Kentucky Derby. Jockey Luis Saez never placed higher than seventh there.

The owner Gary and Mary West in the sport 40 years never won the derby and neither did the trainer Jason Service, so they are all excited. But then there's objection. Other riders claim their path was impeded, outcome of the race altered.

Stewards watched this replay and they determine, would they disqualify Maximum Security? Excruciating 22 minutes for the riders and fans.


LUIS SAEZ, MAXIMUM SECURITY JOCKEY: Well, you know, the horse, he got scared. When he started leaving the ground the ground screaming and he a baby and he come out and grab it right away.

FLAVIENT PRAT, COUNTRY HOUSE JOCKEY: Well, we had a pretty good trip and when I came around the turn, you know, I was outside and then, all of a sudden, there was a real move from the inside to the outside.


WIRE: Think about this, 150,000 people waiting in the rain at Churchill Downs and millions more watching on television. Millions of bets on the line, right? Well, then, the decision came. And listen to what the fans winning to cash in at Churchill Downs what

they thought was a winning ticket.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't like it because I had 50 on the horse, 7 to win and I didn't really agree with it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Random tip from a lady reserve. I did a bourbon tour. She said, oh, I like Country House, the 20-year-old. I said why? A friend of mine's dad trains the horse and think they will do great in the derby. Do a 2 dollar win place show for me, so, OK, sure, I will.


WIRE: Somebody lost. But here you have Country House jockey Flavien Frat, 65-1 odd, become the second biggest long shot to ever win the Kentucky Derby and talking about a $2 million purse that went to the eventual winner.

PAUL: That woman in the bourbon house deserves a little pat.


PAUL: Coy, thank you.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, Coy.

All right. More than 20 million people are under a flash flood watch in the mid-Atlantic today. That area has just been getting hammered with heavy rain and huge floods.

PAUL: I mean, look at what they're dealing with here. And there's another round of storms pushing into places like Davenport, St. Louis, which are already partly under water.

BLACKWELL: CNN meteorologist Allison Chinchar is in the weather center with the forecast. I mean, it's just -- it seems to be going on and on, and they're not the only ones with trouble.

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes, I mean, you pretty had yesterday which was your one day break for areas in the Midwest and now you've got a couple of different systems that will be coming in the next few days adding more rain to an area that simply doesn't need to see it.

Well, we have two storms to talk about here. This first low pressure system is the one impacting the extreme eastern portion of the U.S. we have got strong to severe thunderstorms expected in this region basically from upstate New York to Florida. There is also the potential for some flooding there. Out to the west this is the next system and this is the one that folks in the Midwest are watching very closely because that is the one that is likely going to bring them a significant amount of rain in the coming days.

You've got people under a flash flood watch under the areas of the mid-Atlantic but flood warnings basically up and down the Mississippi River. And that second system we talked about, that is the one that is going to be pushing in. The first system begins to exit by the time we get to this evening.

So, if you have some plans outside D.C., Baltimore, places like that, it's going to be really soggy mainly in the first half of the day. But notice in the second half of the day, see all of these storms beginning to fire up here? And, unfortunately, places like Iowa and Missouri and states don't need to see any more rain, that's going to be the concern.

Now take a look at the next five days. You're talking three to five inches of rain in a place that simply does not need to see more rain. When you look at some of these numbers, take a look at this, Victor and Christi, over 200 river gauges still above flood stage and they are going to stay that way likely for the remainder of the week.

BLACKWELL: Wow. All right. Thanks for watching it for us, Allison Chinchar.

PAUL: So, we want to talk about the 2020 race. Check in on the Democratic side because protesters are interrupting town halls. Bernie Sanders taking a shot at Bill Barr and what Joe Biden said about President Trump after the former vice president said he wasn't getting into the mud with him.


[07:23:34] BLACKWELL: Well, former Vice President Joe Biden has vowed not to, as he calls it, get into a mud wrestling match with President Trump.

PAUL: Off-camera fund-raiser he had last night in South Carolina. Biden said that is what Trump wants him to do. He was responding to go a supporter who told Biden he wanted him to fight Trump and nickname for nickname. Biden said too many nicknames he would like to use for the president but, quote, just start with clown.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're selling out (ph) to big dairy. You made your name on this, and you're selling out your progressive values to dairy product.


BLACKWELL: Senator and 2020 candidate Elizabeth Warren was interrupted by two protesters one after another at a town hall yesterday in Iowa. You see them there. They were from an animal rights group and were protesting Warren's support for the Dairy -Pride Act which would stop companies from putting the word "milk" on nondairy products. PAUL: And fellow 2020 candidate Bernie Sanders also in Iowa to

campaign in Fort Dodge. He continued criticizing Attorney General William Barr for cancelling his appearance before the House after he agreed to testify in the Mueller report.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He refused to come. And this is a very dangerous attack on our democratic institutions. That is the House's job to provide oversight, to demand that the American people get answers.

[07:25:05] And I will support the House if they hold the attorney general in contempt.


BLACKWELL: Joining me to talk about how Democrats can win in 2020 up and down the ballot, CNN political analyst, Karoun Demirjian, congressional reporter at "The Washington Post", and Kelly Dietrich, CEO of the National Democratic Training Committee.

Welcome both of you.

Kelly, let me start with you and I want to talk economy first. If the academic boom continues, how does a Democrat, what is the argument against the strongest job numbers we have seen in five decades here? The lowest unemployment and this level of growth. How do you make the case?

KELLY DIETRICH, CEO, NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC TRAINING COMMITTEE: Well, look, the president's numbers on job approval -- the economy may be coming up but he is still under water overall. What a majority of Americans, what we are seeing on the ground in all 50 states people are very concerned about their economic security. They're not seeing the wage growth. They are not seeing security around their health care. They are worried about the price of college for their kids and paying down student loans.

These are the issues that matter to everyday Americans and it's what the Democratic candidates need to address. That is the message that won in '18, I think we'll see it again in '20.

BLACKWELL: We are seeing, as you mentioned, his approval rating on the economy going up.

Karoun, the question to you is, for the president as we saw in 2018, there was a good economic story there as well but the president spent the last final months making an immigration case. He stepped on his message on Friday with the Putin phone call and his characterization of that.

Can he -- you know, he calls himself the best salesman. Can he make the sale?

DEMIRJIAN: If he can stay focused on the sale, potentially. Look, there's a wide Democratic field of a lot of different candidates competing against each other a while, which gives him time to establish the message that can draw more people towards him but we have never seen the president focus solely on the numbers going well for him and things that people around him think can be a winning message.

He plays the winning messages that work for his case and not the ones that work for drawing in more people to that tent, which is why when he focuses on immigration and sometimes even just lean to the certain parts of the Russia issue, it doesn't work with him so well with the broader swath of the electorate.

BLACKWELL: Kelly, let's talk about the focus of Democrats, especially congressionally now. Let's them put them, the list -- the growing list of investigations from House Democrats on Judiciary, Intelligence, Ways and Means, Oversight, Financial Intelligence and Oversight, and Foreign Affairs Committees are there.

How do you make the case the Democrats are working as hard to get progress on health care and gun control as they are to get the unredacted Mueller report and to get Don McGahn to testify? How do you make the case that Democrats are focused on those issues that supporters sent them to Washington to focus on in 2018?

DIETRICH: Well, oddly enough, we can do more than one thing at a time. Congress has an obligation. It has our checks and balances require it to investigate when there is criminal activity.

The investigations, the special counsel has found and indicted more than 34 people including the president's own personal attorney general, his campaign chairman, the national security adviser. One of things I think the Republican Party does very well and that part of Trump's appeal is that he's a very bold leader. Whether or not you agree with him, whether or not you like him, as Karoun says, before he plays to his base.

What Democrats need to do is we need to find our leader. They are looking for someone to step up, be bold, take action, and show that Democrats can make a change here.

BLACKWELL: What is your take on that? The comparison between the passion that we are seeing as it relates to the Mueller report and everything since the release and going after advances for health care for a climate change which we know is an important issue for Democrats as much as we are seeing for the investigations?

DEMIRJIAN: I think we have seen the numbers before. They are looking what voters care about and not as heavily focused on the Mueller report and aftermath as everybody is in D.C. and this is a balancing act that Democrats have been trying to strike the whole time. How much do they do? How far do they go in terms of this line of do they go to impeachment and still not lose the message that they are trying communicate and have their entire 2020 strategy be defined by that one thing, when it seems like voters do care about the issues that hit them a little bit closer to home and affect their daily lives? This is what you're going to see the Democratic candidates argue out and what you're going to see them have to get specific about. It's going to be much more between those candidates, a battle whose health care policies, whose proposals on economic messages and climate change when you get into those specifics in a debate, and that seems to be the thing that people are listening to right now as -- in this stage of the campaign.

[07:30:16] BLACKWELL: Yes, Speaker Pelosi told "The Times", "The New York Times" this weekend, own the center left and own the mainstream. We'll see how that turns out during the primary.

Karoun Demirjian, Kelly Dietrich, thank you both.

DEMIRJIAN: Thank you, Victor.


BLACKWELL: A couple of Democratic presidential candidates will weigh on this today on "STATE OF THE UNION." Senator Cory Booker, Senator Amy Klobuchar join Jake Tapper live. That's on "STATE OF THE UNION" at 9:00 Eastern, on CNN.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Well, this morning, the flight data recorder has been recovered from that jet that slid into a Florida river. There's still one crucial piece of equipment on that plane, though.

BLACKWELL: Also, a student credited with stopping a campus gunman will be laid to rest with full military honors. We will hear from Riley Howell's family, next.


BLACKWELL: Investigators have recovered the flight data recorder from the plane that skidded off a runway into a river in Florida.

PAUL: We know the data recorder has been sent to Washington for analysis, but the cockpit voice recorder, that is still under water in the tail of that plane and that will likely be another crucial piece of evidence obviously as the full team of NTSB investigators work to find out exactly what caused that hard landing.

[07:35:01] CNN national correspondent Natasha Chen with the very latest for us in Florida.

Natasha, what are you learning about what's going to happen today?

NATASHA CHEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, these investigators, Christi, are going to come back to the cite today where that plane is still sitting in shallow waters in the St. John's River.

Now, what we do know is that they are looking at issues with weather and the actual tarmac from Friday night. So, this tarmac here at the naval air station in Jacksonville is not grooved and that means that there could be a little bit more difficulty for water to flow off the sides in the event of heavy rain, so they are taking a look at really what the weather was like when that plane was coming in at about 9:40 p.m. Friday night.

So the good news is, like you said, they have the flight data recorder which shows you the technical details of the angle of the plane, the speed of how it was approaching, but what's left and submerged in the tail that you mentioned is the voice recorder and that gives them more clues about what was being said amongst the crew members on board. It was a frightening moment for the people who were on that plane, the more than 130 passengers who were mostly civilians and military working at Guantanamo Bay.

Here is one person describing that scary moment and how he helped to get people out.


DARWING SILVA, PASSENGER: Saw the moment of impact. I went forward. Had my seat belt on. I hit my head on the top of the roof.

I kind of landed and I just remember feeling water falling from above and I had water on like my feet at ankle high or what not. And somebody yelled out the fuel or somebody yelled out gas or something. I looked over to my left and the lady was kind of crouched down and I kind of moved her over to the side and I opened the emergency door. I was the first one out. I went on the wing.


CHEN: And there were a lot of people gathered on that wing for a period of time before they were rescued with inflatable rafts. Of course, everyone feeling very lucky that they made it out relatively safely. And, of course, NTSB investigators will continue their work today before figuring out the time line for getting that plane back on land.

Victor and Christi, back to you.

BLACKWELL: Natasha Chen for us there in Jacksonville, thank you.

PAUL: Officials say two people were killed and three others injured in that massive chemical plant explosion in Illinois.

I mean, look at what's left there.

BLACKWELL: So, this happened 40 miles north of Chicago at a plant that manufactures silicone chemicals. Authorities are working to determine the cause, of course. Now, two people are still unaccounted for. The damage is estimated at more than $1 million.

Riley Howell is the University of North Carolina-Charlotte student credited with stopping a campus gunman. He will be laid to rest at a service in Waynesville, North Carolina, today.

PAUL: He is or was in reserve officer's training corps. And he's going to be buried with full military honor.

CNN affiliate WLOS spoke with his family. Here is what they are saying.


JULIET HOWELL, SISTER: At first, we didn't know that he had done what he did and with the gunman. We just knew he had been shot. And when we got told that, it's a huge weight lift off our shoulders and we just thought, everything is right now. He did what he was supposed to do.

NATALIE HENRY-HOWELL, MOTHER: I'm an educator and we talk about these things frequently how we try to keep our kids safe. And you think about it, but you don't think about it, if that makes any sense. And all of the measures were in place to try to prevent this, but it just took one.


BLACKWELL: The investigators say he certainly saved some lives last week.

PAUL: Yes, hopefully, that brings that family comfort, at least that part of it.

BLACKWELL: All right. Still to come, two new cases of the measles confirmed in California. Among the new patients? A baby. It's not even a year old yet.


[07:43:09] BLACKWELL: There are two new cases of the measles now confirmed in southern California. One of those cases is a baby. Health officials say the baby is younger than 1-year-old, too young to be vaccinated.

The second case is a graduate student at the University of California- Irvine. Health officials say that man had been vaccinated but he also spent three days on campus while suffering from measles, potentially exposing others to the disease and it is highly contagious.

The two cases bring a total of measles cases in California now to 42.

PAUL: Listen, this is being called an epidemic driven by young women. There's a new study showing a shocking rise in the number of attempted suicides by poisoning. Over 19-year period, there were 1.6 million cases of intentional poisoning in the U.S. and 71 percent of those cases involved girls or young women.

Pediatrician Dr. Edith Bracho-Sanchez is with us now.

Dr. Edith, good to have you have.

When we say poisonings, what do we mean by that? Are we talking about pills? Are we talking about -- we have talked about overdoses. We have talked about teen suicide, but poisonings?

DR. EDITH BRACHO-SANCHEZ, PEDIATRICIAN: We are talking about young people taking anything that requires a phone call to poison control and what they were measuring in the study. This they take any pills or substances around the home that prompted a call to poison control?

PAUL: But it was an intentional suicidal poisoning of either it would be precipitation drugs. Are they drinking bleach? I don't understand what they are doing.

BRACHO-SANCHEZ: All of these things. Any harmful substance in the home or any pills around the home they found. The next step they called poison control and the kids were asked about you intend to kill yourself and they said yes and how they were counted in the study.

PAUL: So, they didn't all -- we are talking about attempted suicides. We are not talking about these kids didn't all die?

[07:45:02] BRACHO-SANCHEZ: That's right. These were kids who attempted suicide but it is consistent what we know about suicide and completed suicides in this country and that is that the rates are going up and it is one of the leading causes of death for young people in this country.

PAUL: Yes, I want to read this because this statistically is frightening. Rates were up for both sexes but the rates of suicide jumped 338 percent for girls between 2010 and 2018.

BRACHO-SANCHEZ: That's right.

PAUL: What is driving that?

BRACHO-SANCHEZ: Christi, I wish one thing we could point to and say this is it. I think the thing that usually gets blamed is social media and it is absolutely playing a role, right? So, what we know is the kids are connected at all times.

You and I used to go home and unplug. We didn't have to keep performing, right? Now kids are going home and they are constantly being judged by their peers and they're constantly having to perform and they are opening up to cyberbullying at home.

But it's not just social media. We know that we have a shortage of qualified of children and health providers in this country. We know that we have a long way to go when it comes to access, when it comes to giving everyone insurance and then insurance companies actually covering some of the mental health access.

I think when we look at this, the important thing is literally are there many factors that are contributing but what do we do about it? We have to have to have talking about communication. And it's early communication.

It's being there. It's being present. It's saying to your kids, no communication is off limits, no conversation is off bounds here. You can come to me. We are going to get through whatever it is together. And unfortunately, Christi, when we do our best to prevent these things, some of the times, they're going to happen regardless of our best efforts and that is when parents really, really have to be watching for those warning signs. Some of those include kids that are getting isolated and sort of withdrawing themselves and whose grades are declining.

And if parents see that that is happening, what I want them to do ask your kids point blank: have you ever thought of hurting yourself? Is it possible you're depressed? Have you ever thought of killing yourself?

PAUL: How about do we normalize feeling depressed? How do we normalize not being happy with who you are and giving them hope that there is another way?

BRACHO-SANCHEZ: That is such a good question and it starts with congratulating your kids when they come to you and say, I'm angry, I'm feeling kind of sad today, and realizing that depression in young kids is not always going to show up as sadness. We as adults expect that depression is going to look like sadness.

PAUL: That is true.

BRACHO-SANCHEZ: But a lot of times it looked like anger and knowing that some of that might be depression, and congratulating your kids for coming to you with that. And also the rest of us, families who are fortunate enough not to be going through this showing compassion and say how do we help you if your family is going through this?

PAUL: OK, thank you. That is such important information and I think the other takeaway making sure you know what is in your home, what is available for to your kids. We have run out of time, but I did want to make that point. You have to make sure some of those pills, some of those products are not easily accessible or known by other family members that perhaps will help.

Dr. Edith Bracho-Sanchez, thank you so much. Good information here.


PAUL: And listen, we would have put this out there. If you or someone you know is thinking about suicide, do not hesitate to get help. You can call the National Suicide Prevention lifeline, it's 1- 800-273-TALK. That's 1-800-273-8255.

We'll be right back.


[07:22:41] PAUL: Let's talk leftovers. How do you know when to let them go? CNN health writer Jacqueline Howard shows us how to make that decision in today's "Food as Fuel."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH WRITER: The first step is to take a close look at the ingredients, and the smell test doesn't always work. For sweet treats, most pies should be refrigerated, especially if they have an egg, milk or custard filling.

Don't let it sit out for more than two hours. Once in the fridge, you can keep them cool for about two days, says the USDA. When it comes to cakes, the big factor is frosting. If the frosting is dairy-based, it must be refrigerated. It can generally last for about a week. Outside of the fridge, it's good for about a day or two.

But what about seafood? The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says when buying fresh fish, make sure to refrigerate immediately and consume it within the next two days. Once cooked, wrap it up tightly, and you can keep it in the fridge the next three or four days.

When it comes to takeout food, Chinese food or pizza, keep it in air- tight containers in the refrigerator. That way, it can last about three or four days.


BLACKWELL: I have surpassed all of those guidelines.


PAUL: So have we.

BLACKWELL: I have kept seafood for three or four days.

PAUL: You hang on to it because you think, tomorrow.

BLACKWELL: I have been doing it wrong.

Thank you, Jacqueline.

All right. So, when France rebuilds the Notre Dame Cathedral, it won't look quite the same as it used to, obviously. A competition is happening right now to design -- redesign parts of this iconic building.

And it's attracting hopeful architects from around the world including a group of American students.

Ben Wedeman has their story.


BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pencil on paper, it's very old school, yet perhaps it's the best way to capture the scorched majesty of Paris' 800-year-old Notre Dame Cathedral.

French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced an international competition to redesign the roof and 300-foot spire the flames destroyed. The task the government, flush with around a billion dollars in donations, hopes to finish in five years.

Architecture students from Notre Dame, the university in the U.S. state of Indiana, are here to draw and study this medieval marvel. They plan to join the competition.

Texas native Ethan Scott hasn't come up with a specific idea just yet. But he was thinking.

ETHAN SCOTT, ARCHITECTURE STUDENT, UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME: Gothic. It could be bigger, it could be gilded, it could be stone, it could be marble but I think something that respects what is still there.

WEDEMAN: A balance between old and the new is what's needed, says classmate Jessica Most from San Diego, California.

JESSICA MOST, ARCHITECTURE STUDENT, UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME: I think it's important to also stay relevant to what historically was there as well as keeping it modern.

WEDEMAN: Keeping it modern, however, has its limits. Already some designers have posted their ideas online; some are interesting.

Notre Dame Architecture student Mary Repsinski, from Boston, Massachusetts, puts it this way.


WEDEMAN: Paris-based heritage architect Marie Anne Tek (ph) is confident sober heads will prevail. In a masterpiece like Notre Dame, which took a hundred years to be built, won't be rebuilt in a rush.

"It's not a train station, it's not a museum," she tells me. "It's a special place and I believe we should provide this special place all the means necessary to express itself with genius and audacity."

The outlines of genius have long been there. It will just take a brilliant mind to fill in what the fire erased.

Ben Wedeman, CNN, Paris.


BLACKWELL: Thanks for watching.

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