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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST, NEWS STREAM (voice over): Pyongyang's new message.
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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: North Korea has once again fired what it describes as projectiles.
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: There were two potentially short-range ballistic missiles fired from the northwest of the
country.
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LU STOUT (voice over): The launch comes just days after the country tested several new weapons systems. Back and forth trade bars.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They broke the deal.
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LU STOUT (voice over): China threatens to retaliate if U.S. President Donald Trump implements new tariffs.
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STEVEN JIANG, CNN PRODUCER: Things don't look very promising right now.
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LU STOUT (voice over): And in contempt of U.S. Congress.
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REP. JERROLD NADLER (D-NY): We are now in a constitutional crisis.
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LU STOUT (voice over): The House Judiciary Committee puts the pressure on Attorney General William Barr as a courtroom showdown looms.
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SARAH SANDERS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It's truly outrageous and absurd what the Chairman is doing.
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LU STOUT (on camera): I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to NEWS STREAM. The South Korean military is on high alert after the North
launched what Seoul suspects were two short range missiles. The South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff say that the rockets were launched from
"Unknown," a missile site in the northwest that landed in the sea between the Korean Peninsula and Japan. This is the second such incident in less
than a week.
On Saturday, North Korea fired what analysts believe were also short range missiles, and analysts say the test were a sign of Kim Jong-un's
frustration with how talks with Washington are going.
For more, we are joined by CNN's Paula Hancocks live for us from Seoul, and Paula, we know that the South Korean President, Moon Jae-in, he is right
now in the middle of a nationwide interview. What more is he saying about today's incident?
HANCOCKS: Kristie, we're getting the very immediate reaction from the South Korean President. This was a pre-organized interview that's being
broadcast nationwide. But of course there is only one topic he is being asked about at this point, and he said that he believes that the launches
that have happened so far, especially those on Saturday, we're not in violation of a military agreement between North and South Korea. That's
slightly different to what we heard from the Blue House on Saturday saying it wasn't in the spirit of that military agreement.
He also said that he believes that North Korea is expressing its discontent following the Hanoi Summit between President Trump and Kim Jong-un that
ended without an agreement. Now, North Korea was clearly surprised and pretty humiliated by President Trump walking away from that. And President
Moon said that he is expressing discontent, he believes, but also being careful not to break the detente, saying he is really staging a
demonstration against the U.S. and South Korea.
President Moon meant that he didn't see today's launches coming. He doesn't know if these will be the final launches. But many experts are
assuming this is not the end of it. So this is really in keeping with what many people who have been watching North Korea for a very long time believe
that this is showing the frustration of Pyongyang.
But this is also reminding the U.S. that even though Kim Jong-un has given the U.S. a deadline of the end of this year to change their attitudes, and
clearly to fall more in line with what Pyongyang wants, they are giving a reminder of where we could go. We could go back to what we saw in 2017
that incessant nuclear missile testing. So as President Moon said, an expression of frustration, but not going so far that it could backfire --
Kristie.
LU STOUT: Got it. Fresh reaction of the South Korean President saying that today's tests are a show of discontent from Pyongyang. Paula Hancocks
live for us in Seoul, thank you so much, Paula.
North Korean state media, they say that Saturday's launches were part of a strike drill meant to check large caliber, long range multiple rocket
launchers and tactical guided weapons although, as mentioned, South Korea says the missiles were likely short range and prior to that, the regime
hadn't tested any since 2017.
Here is a timeline. Here are some significant tests from that year. Now, you may of course recall, July 4th, which just so happens to be American
Independence Day. That was when that year North Korea claimed its first successful test of an intercontinental ballistic missile or ICBM. That
move sparked a scramble for U.S. national security to discuss its options.
And then the next month, the U.S. President Donald Trump warned Pyongyang that quote, "All options are on the table," that after North Korea fired a
missile over Japan, and then in September, there was another major show of defiance, that was when North Korea tested a hydrogen bomb, the most
powerful weapon it had ever tested, and another ballistic missile flew over Japan.
Now, on November the 29, 2017, North Korea claimed to have tested a new type of ICBM capable of striking the U.S. mainland.
[08:05:14] LU STOUT: And that was the final launch before last week's strike drill. Now joining us now we have John Delury of South Korea Yonsei
University in Seoul and he joins us now live. John, thank you for joining us. What message do you think is North Korea sending with this latest
weapons tests?
John Delury, SCHOLAR, SOUTH KOREA YONSEI UNIVERSITY: You know, I think if you put the tests together with the statements by Kim Jong-un himself and
many of his diplomats, you know, there's not a lot of room for interpretation. Kim is clearly disappointed with the outcome of Hanoi --
frustrated -- he said he doubts the sincerity now of the Trump administration.
And so this is you know, sort of acting out with weapons tests what they're saying and words, which is you know, if this is the new normal of kind of
accepting a non-outcome of Hanoi, then if South Korea and the United States, they're going to continue their various military exercises and
weapons tests then North Korea is going to do the same.
LU STOUT: Your analysis in line with what we just heard from the South Korean President that this was an expression of discontent from North
Korea. Now, we know that today's firings involve short range missiles, not ICBM, but does Kim Jong-un still represent a very, very serious threat not
just on the Korean Peninsula, but to the United States as well?
DELURY: Yes, I mean, the distinction between the short range and the ICBM is very important because you know, one thing that's in place to sort of
keep the possibility of diplomacy intact is the self-declared unilateral moratorium that Kim has reaffirmed recently where he said we won't do
nuclear tests or ICBM tests.
But, you know, I think we are now on a kind of slippery slope. Already, we've seen two tests this week. I mean, without some major diplomatic
movement, I would expect more of this, and probably a gradual increase in the sort of severity of it and at a certain point, you know, it's very easy
to end his moratorium on ICBM tests, simply by having one.
So the distinction is important. But you know, we had a year and a half of no missile tests whatsoever. You and I weren't talking as much and that
era is now over. So that's already very negative development.
LU STOUT: Yes, but this week, we're seeing this uptick in weapons testing, you're anticipating more to come. This latest firing, it comes as the U.S.
spends efforts to retrieve war remains from North Korea, we are at an impasse here, a big one. Is there any sign that both sides are willing to
talk? You know, any sign for dialogue, especially after the failure in Hanoi?
DELURY: Well, you know, I would say fundamentally, at the leader level, Donald Trump, if you remember his recent tweet, he said, "We will make a
deal." He's tried to affirm that he has this great relationship with Kim Jong-un and he wants to get back to the table. And also if you parse the
statements coming from Pyongyang, they're not saying we refuse to talk to you anymore.
But you know, another aspect of this that's very negative is the whole inter-Korean process has kind of ground down to a halt. The two Koreas
aren't talking. So you know, I'm an optimist on this stuff. But it frankly, it's very difficult right now to imagine what is going to bring
these parties back together.
I don't think humanitarian aid at this stage from South Korea is going to do the trick. You know, so this is a real test. Insofar as Trump, Kim and
Moon don't want to continue with this, but this is a Plan B not a Plan A. They're going to have to make more significant moves to get things back on
the diplomatic track.
LU STOUT: Absolutely. This is a delicate time. John Delury, always appreciate your analysis. Thank you and take care. Now, threats are
flying between the U.S. and China as another round of trade talks gets ready to kick off. Now, China's says, it will fire back with retaliatory
tariffs if the U.S. follows through with this plan to hike tariffs on Chinese goods to 25 percent on Friday.
This comes this China's top trade negotiator is due in Washington to hammer out a trade deal with U.S. negotiators. But all of that is in limbo now
with Donald Trump doubling down on his threat to raise tariffs after Beijing reportedly reneged on parts of the trade deal.
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TRUMP: By the way, you see the tariffs we're doing, because they broke the deal. They broke the deal. They broke the deal. So they are flying in
the Vice Premier tomorrow, he is flying in. Good man. But they broke the deal. They can't do that. So they'll be paying. We don't make the deal.
Nothing wrong with taking in over $100 billion a year.
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LU STOUT: Let's go straight to our chief business correspondent, Christine Romans. She is live for us from New York. Christine, thank you for
joining us once again.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Welcome.
LU STOUT: We have this pivotal round of trade talks due to take place shortly today in Washington, DC, but there has been a lot of turbulence on
trade this week. Can there be a deal?
ROMANS: You know, we went from thinking they were nearing a deal to now wondering if they're going to salvage a deal. I mean in just a week that
is how much this has all changed.
[08:10:16] ROMANS: Prior trade rounds, there's been smiling pictures for the cameras when the two sides go into meetings just to show that they're
still working. We have nothing scheduled in terms of what we call a pool spray this morning when the two sides sit down smiling for the cameras,
because they might not be smiling.
Look, the United States is saying that they broke their deal. They were moving backwards. They were not willing to put into writing what they had
agreed to face-to-face in these 10 or 11 rounds of talks. You heard the President there say the Chinese broke the deal.
Now the Chinese are saying, look, if the President wants to put more tariffs on, just try us because we have countermeasures that we can do.
I'm not sure that they have a lot left in terms of retaliatory tariffs, Kristie, but there are other things they can do. They can make it more
difficult to bring in U.S. imports. They can put restrictions or licensing requirements on U.S. things coming in there. They can, you know, you don't
want your pallets, your cargo containers full of perishable items to be sitting there at a port because of a trade dispute.
So that's some of the things, the kind of language that we're hearing and the kinds of worries that we're seeing right now. The President also in
that soundbite, I think it's really important to point out this President believes that the Chinese government is paying for those tariffs.
The President believes he is extracting $100 billion from China in tariffs in a year. Well, that's not exactly how it works. The Customs people in
the United States at the port of entry, when the shipments come and become imports into this country, they give the bill to whoever is importing it.
So that can be the furniture store in Chicago; that can be the bike distributor in South Carolina. The bill goes to people who are buying it
and bringing it in.
Now, there are things that they can do, they can try to have rebates from their suppliers in China, they can try to eat the cost themselves, they can
try to pass it on to consumers. What we're hearing now is that this cost of 25 percent that happens Friday, that will be passed on largely to
consumers here in the United States. So American consumers will pay that $100 billion.
LU STOUT: Got it. So when Donald Trump says China is paying for the tariffs that is not necessarily the case. Christine Romans, we thank you
so much for the fact check.
ROMANS: You're welcome.
LU STOUT: Take care. Let's bring in Linda Yueh. She is an economics professor at the London Business School. She joins us now live and Linda,
good to see you. We know that Liu He, China's top trade negotiator will soon be in DC to hash out a deal on trade. Your thoughts on a deal? Can
there be a deal and the deal stroke before that tariff threat from Donald Trump goes into effect on Friday?
LINDA YUEH, ECONOMICS PROFESSOR, LONDON BUSINESS SCHOOL: Probably not Kristie. It's good to be on your program. I think what's happened is a
really disputed account as to why it is that China has, quote, "backtracked." So if you look at what some other reports are saying it
looks like what the United States and China had agreed in terms of language was that China would put into legal documents, in other words, reform its
own laws to comply with some of these trade negotiations like not subsidize these state-owned enterprises.
Now, it looks like when the trade delegation returned to Beijing, there's political pushback on that that says, "Wait, what is the trade negotiation
doing, changing domestic laws?" And that's probably why the version that was presented that caused President Trump to send that tweet this weekend,
said, they've backtracked, they've reneged on the language.
But if you think about it, I suppose from the two sides perspectives, from China's side, changing their economic model isn't something that they're
going to necessarily agree to in a trade negotiation, even if they know that greater competition would be better for the economy, it's the politics
of it.
But of course, for the Americans, the reason why they're asking for legal changes is because of the distrust that if China doesn't put a change into
law, then they're not going to abide by it. And we know that enforcement is the another major sticking point in these trade talks, which is why I
think we should brace ourselves with these tariffs going forward tomorrow.
But there's a bit of a leeway because the U.S. has unusually said the tariffs won't apply to goods that are already in transit. So that gives
about a two to four weeks leeway before these very high tariffs, 25 percent hits about $200 billion of imports from China.
LU STOUT: Got it. Linda you say that no deal is likely, it seems that Trump will follow through on his tariff threat. China has said that it
will retaliate in the event of that.
Earlier, we heard from Christine Romans in New York, she walked through just a variety of tools in the Chinese arsenal that China could just
deploy. But how do you think China could retaliate to really hit the U.S. back where it hurts?
YUEH: On investment, so what China could do is two different things. So one is, they could actually make it harder for American companies to invest
in China. Remember, China is part of the extensive supply chains across Asia. So if China makes it harder for U.S. companies that's going to hit
supply chains pretty hard. So in other words, they could impose -- well, they would impose probably tariffs on nontariff measures and that could
impact margins which can be very thin for manufacturing in Asia.
[08:15:21] YUEH: You can't just cut China out of the supply chain. So that's one way they could target U.S. companies. The other way they could
do this is that they could withhold permission for big M&A deals that us multinational companies wants to do around the world in order to do a big
deal, like what U.S. tech company Qualcomm wanted to do with the Dutch chip maker, NXP a $55 billion merger that didn't go ahead in acquisition. It
didn't go ahead, it's because those kinds of deals require regulatory approval from the U.S., E.U. and China.
So China by sitting on its hands, scuppered a massive deal that was, you know, a lot of -- that's a huge amount of cost involved in doing those
kinds of deals and a breakup fee. So China could do that. And that could deter big global deals from happening.
And I suppose, an immediate thing we already see is that we are all sort of paying the economic costs to the U.S.-China trade war, because the latest
statistics show that world trade volumes have dropped. There's other factors including a global slowdown, but what that is suggesting is we
can't measure the investment impact, we can measure the taxes and tariffs impact. And it looks like it's already dragging down global trade at a
very bad time in the global business cycle.
LU STOUT: Yes, it is already being felt and it could get even worse this week. A pivotal week for the ongoing trade dispute. Linda Yueh, thank you
so much.
You're watching NEWS STREAM. Keep it here because still become, the E.U. was warning Iran, it will not respond to ultimatums as U.S. slaps even more
sanctions on Tehran.
And Congress wants to talk to Donald Trump Jr., again, as a top Democrat warns of a constitutional crisis. We will tell you why.
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LU STOUT: Welcome back, now the European Union says it will not accept any ultimatums from Iran regarding its threat to partially withdraw from the
nuclear deal. This comes after the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani insisted the E.U. alleviate pressure caused by U.S. sanctions or else his
country will relax its compliance with the agreement.
Meanwhile, the U.S. is targeting Iranian exports of steel, iron, aluminum and copper and warning other countries not to accept any shipments. Even
so, Iran's Foreign Minister said his country is still committed to the nuclear agreement.
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MOHAMMAD JAVAD ZARIF, FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER OF IRAN (through translator): The fact that they have pulled out of these agreements, there
are several of them, all of these are the actions and the steps that the American government has taken in the last few months. It shows us that we
are dealing with a law breaking government.
The decision the Islamic Republic of Iran has taken at the moment is actually to continue with our commitments to the nuclear agreement and not
go against it, unlike the USA which has pulled out of it. We have not pulled out of the agreement.
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[08:20:12] LU STOUT: And our Becky Anderson is following it all for us from Abu Dhabi. Becky, good to see you. Thank you for joining us. After
Iran walked away from parts of the nuclear deal, the U.S. is hitting back with these new sanctions. What is the new reaction there in the region?
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Well, perhaps surprisingly, Kristie, we've seen very little official reaction in the Gulf to this
ratcheting up of the maximum pressure campaign being pursued by Washington.
Behind the scenes, it will though suit the likes of the UAE and Saudi, both fiercely opposed to the regime in Iran. Washington is using these
previously planned military deployments to remind Tehran of America's middle treat might and the imposition of further sanctions, of course,
helps tighten the screws on what is an already crippled economy for U.S. allies in this region.
Just like for this U.S. team led by John Bolton and Mike Pompeo, the issue has never been the Iran nuclear deal or the fact that Tehran has been in
compliance with it until now. They view Iran as an evil actor that must be stopped. This is what Mike Pompeo had to say yesterday.
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MIKE POMPEO, U.S. Secretary of State: Not far from here, the Churchill war rooms where a leader of this great country, stared evil in the face and
recognized the threat which that evil presented to the entire world. We're working together to push back against that threat. We're on the side of
values driven democracy, we're on the side of freedom. We're on the side of creating a nation for the Iranian people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Well, that's Mike Pompeo, Kristie. Unless the Iranian government then fundamentally changes its behavior, U.S. Gulf allies, and
of course, Israel as well argue that the pressure needs to increase.
The question is at this point, are we now seeing the end of the maximum patience policy that Tehran effectively says it's pursued so far? Don't
forget, there are many hardliners in Iran who never liked the Iran deal, and it is always argued that you just can't trust the Americans -- Kristie.
LU STOUT: And Becky, this all comes as we have these American warships, a U.S. Navy Strike Group in the region. The Pentagon says, you know, this is
really for deterrence, just to send a message. But how do people there view this?
ANDERSON: Well, in the region, this certainly feels like we are entering a new phase as you rightly point out. We've seen increased American military
hardware heading this way on the back of what the U.S. says is evidence that Iran is moving ballistic missiles around by sea and putting American
assets here in the Gulf and elsewhere in the region under threat.
We've got the 60-day deadline put forward by Iran, at which point it might ratchet up its nuclear program to pre-deal levels and you have a very
heated war of words. So a lot of pressure building up and the biggest risk many analysts would tell you is that a small miscalculation from either
sides or by one of their allies in the region could now or will now have the potential of triggering a far more serious situation -- Kristie.
LU STOUT: Well, the standoff between the U.S. and Iran is certainly intensifying. Becky Anderson reporting live for us. Becky, thank you.
U.S. President Donald Trump says it's time for the investigations to end, but Congress doesn't seem to agree. A U.S. Senate Committee that's been
looking into Russian influence to the 2016 U.S. election has issued a subpoena for Donald Trump, Jr. That's after a House Committee voted to
cite Attorney General William Barr for contempt of Congress and the White House invoked executive privilege to block congressional subpoenas.
One top Democrat is calling the situation a constitutional crisis. CNN's Lauren Fox joins us now live from Capitol Hill. Lauren, good to see you.
We have Don, Jr. subpoenaed by a Republican-led Senate panel, no less. I mean, this is obviously a sign that the Russia investigation in Congress is
far from over.
LAUREN FOX, CNN POLITICS U.S. CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER: Right, and that my colleague Jeremy Herb reporting that that subpoena was actually issued two
weeks ago. We found out about it yesterday, and obviously that came after a long day before the House Judiciary Committee, where they ultimately
voted to hold the U.S. Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress.
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FOX (voice-over): The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee issuing a subpoena to the President's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. to get
additional testimony for their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
The source saying Trump Jr. is considering invoking his Fifth Amendment rights or just not showing up at all. Trump Jr. testified before the
Senate Judiciary and both Intelligence Committees in 2017.
[08:25:16] FOX (voice over): But Senate Intelligence wants to know more about his involvement in the Trump Tower meeting with Russians promising
dirt on Hillary Clinton, and about his father's efforts to build a tower in Moscow.
Trump Jr. could face questions about his previous testimony. Trump associates like Rick Gates and Michael Cohen disputing some of Trump Jr.'s
answers.
A source close to Trump Jr. slamming the subpoena and the Committee led by Republican Senator Richard Burr in a fiery statement, writing it's, quote,
"an obvious PR stunt from a so-called Republican senator too cowardly to stand up to his boss, Mark Warner, and the rest of the resistance Democrats
on the committee."
This comes as a constitutional showdown between the President and the House Democrats heats up.
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REP. JERROLD NADLER (D-NY): The House of Representatives find William Barr, Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice, in contempt.
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FOX (voice over): The House Judiciary Committee voting to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt after Barr's refusal to hand over the
full, un-redacted Mueller report and underlying evidence to Congress.
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NADLER: We've talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. We are now in it.
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FOX (voice over): The vote coming after President Trump claims executive privilege for the first time, blocking the release of the un-redacted
Mueller report. House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler calling Trump's move unprecedented.
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NADLER: We're not overreaching. We're just trying to exercise the normal oversight to make this a government of more than just a king who is above
the law.
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FOX (voice over): Democrats are outraged.
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REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D-NY): Are you kidding me? You can't assert executive privilege after the fact.
REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This isn't about executive privilege. It's about burying the evidence.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOX (voice over): House Republicans backing the White House and the Attorney General.
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REP. DOUG COLLINS, (R-GA): We're just manufacturing a crisis.
REP. JIM JORDAN (R-OH): I think it's all about trying to destroy Bill Barr, because Democrats are nervous he's going to get to the bottom of
everything.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
FOX (on camera): And we know that Democrats are still fighting to try to hear from Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Nadler said last night on CNN
that he is prepared if he has to, to issue a subpoena. However, he hopes that some kind of accommodation can be made otherwise -- Kristie.
LU STOUT: Wow. The fight over the Mueller report is still on and it is escalating. Lauren Fox reporting live from Capitol Hill. Thank you,
Lauren. You're watching NEWS STREAM and up next right here on the program. The Catholic Church issues new guidelines on reporting sexual abuse by
priests and bishops. A live report from Rome is next.
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[08:30:14] LU STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching NEWS STREAM and these are your world headlines. South Korea says it is
very worried about Pyongyang's launch of two short range missiles a few hours ago. They were fired near "Unknown," the undeclared missile facility
in the northwest. They traveled east and landed in the sea. The regime also carried out weapons test on Saturday, its first since 2017.
Russia has been commemorating the end of World War II with its annual Victory Day Parade. Missiles, tanks and troops fill Red Square in Moscow
every year in a tradition that dates back to the Soviet era. It was followed by a massive march to honor war veterans, which you can see here
live on your screen.
All Catholic diocese must report sexual abuse to church authorities under new rules released by Pope Francis. The new rules follow numerous cases of
sexual abuse by priests and bishops in the Catholic Church around the world. The rules take effect from June of next year.
Now let's bring in our Vatican correspondent, Delia Gallagher and Delia, how will these new rules address and most importantly, help prevent cases
of clerical sexual abuse?
DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kristie, this is a universal reporting policy being decreed by the Vatican that must be
complied with by diocese around the world by June of 2020.
Important to note that this has to do with internal Catholic Church rules. This is not reporting to civil authorities, for example, and it's going to
be most important for those countries that do not yet have a reporting system in place. We know that many countries in the English speaking world
for example, for years have already had this kind of system in place, but this is making it a universal decree. This must be done by next tear.
One of the important points in this document is now that it is mandatory to report cover ups. They're not just abuse itself, but also any Bishop or
priest accused of cover up must be reported and must be reported and investigated and sent to the Vatican within 90 days. We didn't have that
timeframe before.
And the Vatican's top investigator for sexual abuse, Archbishop Charles Scicluna just told CNN a few moments ago that he felt this was a message to
Catholic leadership that they are not above the law.
But as you rightly point out, Kristie, this for the moment, it's in black and white. It is being decreed but it is important to see the follow
through. How is this going to play out on the local level? And how is this going to help the overall effort of the Catholic Church and Pope
Francis to fight sexual abuse -- Kristie.
LU STOUT: Yes, we'll have to see how it is implemented. But the new laws itself, a powerful statement from the Pope and no one is exempt from abuse.
Delia Gallagher, we thank you for your reporting.
CNN is investigating potential mass detention centers in remote parts of China, which is being met with pushback from Chinese authorities. As many
as two million Muslim majority Uyghurs are believed to be imprisoned in Xinjiang. That's according to the U.S. State Department, where they are
allegedly being taught Mandarin as well as Communist Party propaganda.
China claims that they are vocational training centers and when Matt Rivers, his report on the camps aired on CNN, in China, the screen just
went black. And CNN was allowed back on after the piece aired. Now, as Matt Rivers explains, Chinese authorities made his investigation into these
camps very difficult.
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MATT RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: So, the CNN Beijing bureau just spent a week reporting in the western Chinese province of Xinjiang,
and it's not an easy place to do journalism. So we wanted to show you a little bit of what we went through. But I think, more importantly, tell
you why that matters.
RIVERS (voice-over): Xinjiang is the region where the U.S. says China has detained up to two million people, nearly all Muslims in camps over the
last few years. Activists say Beijing has done that to try to eliminate Islam within its borders, and ex-detainees have told CNN, they were
tortured inside while undergoing political indoctrination.
China denies that and says these camps aren't prisons, but voluntary vocational training centers that are being used to not eliminate Islamic,
only Islamic extremism.
RIVERS (on camera): Now, China's government says that Xinjiang is wide open for us to freely report there. Maybe, in theory but, in reality,
that's just not true. For example, upon landing there, our welcome gift was a government tail.
We have already been followed by three or four guys, including one of them, who I've seen follow us from the second we got out of the baggage area.
RIVERS (voice over): That would be this man. He and at least a dozen others followed us every single hour of our six-day trip, never more than
20 feet away, in the car, in the train station, in the hotel, in the room next to mine.
RIVERS (on camera): So it's a bit of an odd feeling to be in your hotel room at 1:00 in the morning and knowing that on the other side of this
connecting door which leads to the room next door to mine, there's at least three or four of the guys who have been following us around over the past
couple of days.
[08:35:19] RIVERS: It felt like intimidation tactics. They wanted us to know that we were being followed and then of course, there were the
uniformed cops that showed up at odd hours.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We'll just check (INAUDIBLE).
RIVERS: It's almost 1:00 am.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).
RIVERS: I know but I was sleeping. It seems unnecessary.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry to bother you.
RIVERS: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry.
RIVERS: This is what happens when you do journalism in Xinjiang.
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RIVERS (on camera): I have lived here for nearly four years and I have watched as things have gotten tougher and tougher for foreign journalists
on all types of different stories. Xinjiang is probably just the most extreme example, but beyond just being followed, there were the more
obvious attempts to try to make sure that we saw nothing they didn't want us to.
For example, a highway we were on was closed for hours due to an accident nowhere to be seen, not to mention spontaneous roadblocks that specifically
target foreigners and ethnic minorities.
Our IDs were checked nearly 50 times in six days and the second you book a flight or a train, the government knows about it and you can tell that
because, well, government officials are waiting for you upon arrival.
They clearly knew we were coming. They met us at the airport. They're checking our visas, they're telling us they want to accompany us for our
own safety. But really this is just stalling tactics. They know it, we know it and yet this is the game we have to play.
RIVERS (voice over): China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs say they don't know anything about the harassment we faced but said Xinjiang is, quote,
"open and hospitable."
The constant tails, the constant harassment, the constant delays, they are more than just inconvenient. They are specific tactics China's government
has employed for a long time to prevent journalists from doing their jobs.
But in the last few years, there was broad agreement in the foreign journalism community here that it's gotten worse, nowhere more so than
Xinjiang. The end result is that it is nearly impossible to freely report on the hundreds of thousands of people that are likely languishing in camps
right now. And that means that the rest of the world can't really see what's going on there.
This is one of the biggest human rights stories on Earth, and as we saw firsthand, China is actively trying to cover it up.
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LU STOUT: Wow, thanks to Matt and his team for calling this out. Go to our website to learn more about this story. You could follow Matt's
exclusive reporting on Xinjiang and the Uyghurs. You can find it at cnn.com.
You're watching NEWS STREAM. Back in a moment.
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LU STOUT: Coming to you live from Hong Kong. Welcome back. This is NEWS STREAM. Now people from all over the world travel to India for its
glittering palaces, ancient ruins and delicious food, but it's also home to rare animals like this gorgeous elephant, as well as the elusive black
panther.
Now in today's "Iconic India," we explore the country's native wildlife.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Along the western coast of India lies an ancient mountain range, the Western Ghats. At the heart of this landscape
sits the state of Karnataka, one of the most biodiverse regions in the world.
SAAD BIN JUNG, CONSERVATIONIST AND AUTHOR: You have no idea what's happening in India, you really don't know when you're going to see the next
animal whether you see it or not. It might just pop up five feet from you or it might never pop up again.
[08:40:13] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Saad Bin Jung grew up in the forest. He is the founder of the Bison Resort located between two of
India's premier tiger reserves.
JUNG: We're probably in one of the most beautiful places in the world for Indian wildlife. As far as density goes, the density of tiger, the density
of leopard, wild dogs is the greatest in the world.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Descended from royalty, Saad was a professional cricketer, who traded in the sports for another passion.
JUNG: Did my bit against the West Indies and even played (INAUDIBLE) against Pakistan. But then, when that came in, then I took to
conservation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Protecting wildlife is a personal mission for Saad. One that he has passed on to his children. Zoha Jung
Nambiar is the founder of the Backwater Sanctuary, a rescue initiative for the wounded, abandoned and mistreated horses, and ponies and donkeys.
ZOHA JUNG NAMBIAR, FOUNDER, BACKWATER SANCTUARY: So this is Savannah. When she first arrived, I really didn't think she would survive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Founded less than a year ago, the sanctuary is home to 15 rescued animals.
NAMBIAR: We're overlooking the forest as well as looking after national parks, it's got all the animals wild and free there. I want to sort of
mimic that as much as I can over here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): An extension of the Bison Resort, the sanctuary hopes to raise public awareness of the abuse of animals in India.
NAMBIAR: I mean, I think it's always nice to see animals right outside your doorstep, especially horses and donkeys, that people don't really see
them in city too often. So when they come here, it's a nice little added value factor we have here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over); Despite the added extras, it is still the safari that pulls in the visitors.
JUNG: And I can see a couple of elements.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Including a new attraction.
JUNG: Yes, the black panther has arrived. He comes in for three or four days. It disappears for three or four days. And then, it's sort of a
cycle that that's evolved. So you want to see him, you come spend at least four or five days.
I've always believed that if you want to come to me in India, and if I am unable to bring the heart and soul of this beautiful country and put it at
your feet, then I'll be failing my country because India has far more than just a black panther or just a tiger or just the elephant. Because India
has just so many stories.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): As the cameras click, Saad hopes that visitors will leave the region with more than just pictures.
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LU STOUT: Gorgeous animals there. Now, it is already back to work for Britain's Prince Harry just days after welcoming his newborn son into the
world.
The Duke of Sussex is in fact in the Netherlands right now to officially launch the one-year countdown to the Invictus Games being held in The Hague
in 2020.
And if you haven't heard, we've finally have a name for the Royal bundle of joy. Meet Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. He made his public debut
on Wednesday. Such a beautiful, beautiful photograph. Congratulations to the family.
And that is NEWS STREAM. I'm Kristie Lu Stout. Don't go anywhere though, "World Sport" with Alex Thomas is next.
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