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Joe Biden (D), Presidential Candidate Holds Major Rally in Philadelphia; Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin Defying House Subpoena; Massive Tornado Outbreak in the Midwest; Additional Cases of Possible Immigrant Family Separation at the Border; Ohio State University had Knowledge That a Doctor Sexually Abused Students. Aired 8-9a ET

Aired May 18, 2019 - 08:00   ET



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: --Legislation is always going to help save more lives.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And our partners will be suing to prevent this unconstitutional illegal law from going in to effect. But we need our patients to know that. Our doors are open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tornadoes have been spotted in several states. This is called a rogue tornado and you can see that defined by its narrow band of cloud cover. Quite a dramatic sight.


ANNOUNCER: This is New Day Weekend with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN HOST: All right. First up, breaking overnight, we've got some new video in of this tornado outbreak. Look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh (ph), in front of us. Semi over in the road. Good night (ph), look at that. It's just now knocked a semi over. We're going to check on this driver.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So this -- yes, this semi just ran smack right into that tornado, and there's a lot of people trying to help him out right now. And you folks in Minneola, this thing is headed right in your direction.


CHRISTI PAUL, CNN HOST: All right. That is incredible. And we have more of that video to show you a little later in this show. Certainly hoping that man is OK, kudos to all of those people who are going to try to help him. A look at the severe weather set across parts of the country is ahead for you as well because there could be more of this coming today.

BLACKWELL: All right. Let's turn now to 2020, the battleground state where President Trump cemented his win in 2016. We're talking about Pennsylvania.

PAUL: And in a few hours, Joe Biden is going to hold the major rally in Philadelphia, the home of his campaign headquarters now. This is the final leg of his campaign's kickoff. And it's happening as he gains even more share in Democratic polling it seems.

CNN Political Reporter Arlette Saenz is with us from Philadelphia. Arlette, what are you hearing from there? Good morning to you.

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Good morning, Christi and Victor. Well, Joe Biden will be here in Philadelphia in just a few hours for that official kickoff rally, wrapping up a three-week tour of the country as he's a Presidential candidate. And Biden in his speech today will be offering his vision for how to unify the country.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): With the first three weeks of his 2020 run behind him, Joe Biden turning to a new phase in his campaign.

JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'll be President for all of America, not just the base.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): First at campaign headquarters and kickoff rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a state Democrats lost to Donald Trump in 2016 and one where Biden sees an opening. A recent poll found Biden beating Trump in a head-to-head matchup there by 11 points.

BIDEN: If I'm going to be able to beat Donald Trump in 2020, it's going to happen here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): In the early weeks of his campaign, Biden enjoying his stronger than expected front-runner status, topping national polls, lining up endorsements in key early states and raking in more money in the first 24 hours than any of his Democratic rivals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good to see you again.

BIDEN: Good to see you again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): He's taking his brand of politics to six states across the country from an ice cream shop in Iowa to fielding voters' questions in a New Hampshire backyard.

BIDEN: Folks, we can change this again. And the best way to change it, and I'm not joking, is to get Donald Trump out of that office.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Biden framing his campaign as a showdown with President Trump, a move that's drawn the President's ire.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you beat Joe Biden?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): The former Vice President also facing friendly fire from his Democratic opponents.

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I disagree with him. That crime bill -- that 1994 crime bill, it did contribute to mass incarceration in our country.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, I don't think that Joe is the most progressive candidate in this race.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): Biden largely aiming to stay above the fray.

BIDEN: I will not speak ill of any of the Democratic candidates. I will not do it.


SAENZ: Joe Biden is also planning some travel for the next few weeks. He'll be heading to Tennessee and Florida for fund-raisers next week, followed by a trip to Texas by the end of the month. And pretty soon, Biden will turn to rolling out some policy. The former Vice President has even said that he will deliver a climate change speech by the end of the month.

Victor and Christi?

PAUL: All right. Arlette Saenz, thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: Well, Joe Biden is not the only candidate out there today. Democrats are spread across the country. At least 10 of them campaigning in half a dozen states.

PAUL: And Bernie Sanders is wrapping up toward the south, in South Carolina and Georgia. Elizabeth Warren is in New Hampshire. Pete Buttigieg in Iowa. We're going to bring you coverage of those weekend stalks here on CNN as the 2020 race is obviously getting into high gear now.

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is now defying the House subpoena for the President's tax return.

[08:05:00] BLACKWELL: He says the request lacks a legitimate legislative purpose and he is not authorized to release them. Now, the denial is not a surprise, but it does appear out of step with the law. As the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee points out, the statute says Congress can request the documents and leaves no room for discretion on whether the Treasury Department should or can comply. The next step is likely a court battle. PAUL: And this is what's frustrating to some Democrats. Stonewalling

by the White House is leading to what could be lengthy court battles, party leaders who are reluctant to start outright impeachment proceedings.

CNN Political Analyst, Rachael Bade, Congressional Reporter for "The Washington Post", with us now. Rachael, so good to see you. You have a great piece in "The Washington Post." And I want to talk about the expectation in the House when Dems took over and maybe they thought that they'd be able to barrel through these investigations. You have the President refusing to turn over tax returns now. You've got Speaker Pelosi who isn't necessarily committed to impeachment. She's waiting very carefully there.

And then you've got these courts that aren't particularly expeditious, as we know. Which of these three elements do you think is the most frustrating for Democrats right now?

RACHAEL BADE, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST & CONGRESS REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST: I think they're frustrated in all three fronts right now. The investigators are really backed into a corner.

And I think you're exactly right. When Democrats took the House, they thought they would have a lot of investigations going and they'd be having blockbuster hearings with a bunch of White House aides that would come up and testify and sort of air out the President's dirty laundry.

But the White House is saying no to the tax returns. The White House is blocking a whole host of subpoenas. Mueller has not yet appeared for testimony on his report. And so that has been a source of the most public frustration, I would say.

Now, privately, we're hearing Democrats are very anxious about their own leadership. You just mentioned Pelosi and how reluctant she has been to do something like start an impeachment inquiry. But increasingly, these Democrats, being stonewalled by the White House, want to do something. And they know it could take years to get the sort of outcomes they want from the courts.

Republicans had the same problem when they were in the majority and they were going to war with President Obama over documents. It took seven years for them to get a verdict in the courts. So Democrats on the Hill right now, they're really in a pickle. And the frustration is just bubbling below the surface. I'm just waiting for it to sort of spill out internally.

PAUL: Yes. You mentioned the subpoenas and the backtracking there. Democrats, as I understand it, they discussed imposing fines, they've considered jail time for people who ignore those subpoenas. Do you know -- are those options universally embraced by Democrats or is there a fracture there?

BADE: I'm skeptical. Especially on the jailing idea, Pelosi joked about it recently. She's joked about it to reporters. But again, this just shows the level of frustration that Democratic investigators in the House are now saying they could use this 100-year-old authority -- hundreds of years old authority from the constitution that basically says Congress can try to enforce their own subpoenas when people ignore them.

And that includes fines. This idea of fining people $25,000 a day if they are ignoring a subpoena. That's one idea that's out there. The other one is the jailing that you mentioned. I think that the fines have definitely picked up. The idea of fining people has definitely picked up on the Hill. I will say we are now seeing Chairman embrace that idea.

But again, Pelosi is just so cautious of overreach. And being seen as too aggressive in their investigation, she's worried it's going to blow back on Democrats. And so she was asked about it this week at a press conference, and she notably did not embrace this idea. She said it's one option, I don't have a position. And so, again, you're going to see just this frustration with Democratic investigators and what are they going to do next.

PAUL: Well, so -- so I want to read part of your article. You wrote, Some Democrats say they've had enough. Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, a member of the House Judiciary Committee and Pelosi's leadership team, said the White House is "treating us like the Mexican government or the Prime Minister of Luxembourg rather than an equal branch of government."

And she's pushing to begin an impeachment inquiry as opposed to actually voting on impeachment. How likely are Dems to start there, especially as you mentioned, within -- there's got to be some sense of urgency here when you look at the fact that they're looking ahead to 2020?

BADE: Yes. So the investigators, in particular, who have seen subpoena deadlines come and go, multiple every week, people like Jamie Raskin, these are the folks that are feeling the most frustrated, I would say. And I have heard that there's been some conversations in the House Judiciary Committee with its members. And remember, Judiciary Committee has the authority to start impeachment proceedings.

[08:10:00] They have been talking about potentially trying to make that case.

And so what you're going to see is you're going to see a lot of Democrats go public and say, listen, there's a difference between voting to impeach Trump and just voting to start an inquiry. Because once they open that investigation, investigators feel like the courts will fast track everything to get them the information they need, that it will be very hard for the Trump administration to keep them from getting these documents that they're keeping them from actually hearing from witnesses.

But the problem again is that there's a lot of reluctance in the party, not just from Pelosi, but you're hearing some reluctance from moderates who are from swing districts, who don't want to do this, per se. And so these members are going to have to convince the public that this is a good idea, and they're also going to have to convince their own colleagues.

But I think over the next week, you're going to hear a lot more people like Jamie Raskin say, listen, we need to consider impeachment inquiry, starting these proceedings. It doesn't mean we have to vote to impeach him --

PAUL: Sure.

BADE: -- but we should start having these hearings.

PAUL: Alrighty. Rachael Bade, always appreciate your insight. Thank you.

BADE: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: So Missouri is the latest of several states to pass anti- abortion bills. We'll talk some of the specifics. Who's exempt, who is not, and how women rights groups are planning to fight these bills.

PAUL: And breaking overnight, we're getting new video. Look at this massive tornado in the Midwest. Coming up, when a second round of severe weather is expected to hit the area. And yes, it is expected.

BLACKWELL: And new numbers from federal public health experts suggest thousands of additional immigrant families were separated at the border. More on the new numbers, next.


BLACKWELL: Fifteen minutes after the hour now. Missouri is the latest state to pass a strict anti-abortion bill after Alabama and Georgia and other states that have enacted similar legislation this year.

Now, there's been a sudden flurry of Republican states to enact anti- abortion laws and, I should say, states with Republican legislatures and Republican governors. They're setting up a showdown over the fate of Roe versus Wade. And the Missouri bill is now headed to Governor Mike Parson's desk who plans to sign it into law.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe Roe versus Wade should be overturned?

GOV. MIKE PARSON (R-MI): Yes, I do. I believe Roe's version. And I think there'd be a day come, we may see that.


PAUL: The Missouri bill bans abortions after eight weeks. It includes exceptions for medical emergencies but not for pregnancies that result from rape or incest. CNN's Natasha Chen has details.

NATASHA CHEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The Missouri House of Representatives passed this bill 110-44 after about two hours of debate on Friday. Like some other states, they looked at the moment a fetal heartbeat can be detected. But here they specifically outlawed abortions after eight weeks. Now, in case a judge strikes that down, they also have provisions for a ban after 14 weeks, then 18 weeks, then 20 weeks, all dependent on the outcome of any legal challenges.

There is also a trigger here to completely outlaw abortion should Roe versus Wade ever be overturned. There is also no exception here for rape or incest. And that caused a lot of emotional debate today, including a moment where protesters were asked to leave the gallery. Here are some tense moments from the debate.


CRYSTAL QUADE (D), MISSOURI STATE REPRESENTATIVE: When you each see me in this hallway, remember what you're doing to little girls who were like me, because that abuse is me and you simply don't care. And to the women of this state and the women up here, I'm sorry. I'm sorry there aren't enough of us in this chamber to stop this. I'm sorry you're viewed as second-class citizens. Now it's up to you to change this.

MARY ELIZABETH COLEMAN (R), MISSOURI STATE REPRESENTATIVE: Abortion is the ultimate, and might makes right. It is saying that if I don't have the ability to kill my child, that I as a woman cannot obtain whatever dreams and beliefs I may have. It's saying that my economic opportunities will be limited if I do not pay that price with the blood of my child. Our freedom cannot be bought with the blood of our children.


CHEN: The bill does not criminalize going across state lines to seek an abortion, but it does require that anyone in Missouri referring someone to an out-of-state abortion provide educational materials, including information about the possibility that an abortion could cause pain to a fetus. The House also passed an emergency clause, which means as soon as the Governor signs this in about a week's time, it will immediately go into effect.

Natasha Chen, CNN, in Jefferson City, Missouri.

PAUL: We know the debates on the abortion issue are heated. This is a very personal thing. It's a very sensitive thing. And we wanted to bring you both sides.

So, first of all, I spoke with Brian Westbrook. He's the Director of the Coalition for Life St. Louis and supports the abortion ban bill in Missouri. Here's what he said when I asked him about the case of a 12- year-old girl who was raped and denied the opportunity to abort that baby.


BRIAN WESTBROOK, DIRECTOR, COALITION FOR LIFE ST. LOUIS: Well, again, we're talking about a little innocent child who is inside the womb of -- of this woman.

PAUL: But a 12-year-old is also an innocent child. Yes?

WESTBROOK: I agree. A 12-year-old is also a very innocent child. Absolutely. I agree with you.

PAUL: I just want to be very clear about this. Do you support the bill the way that it is in Alabama?

WESTBROOK: So I -- I've not read the bill in Alabama. We're talking about the legislation that's in Missouri.

PAUL: In Missouri. It's the same. Rape and incest would not be --


PAUL: -- would not be --


PAUL: Yes. You would --


PAUL: -- not be able to get an abortion in those cases.

WESTBROOK: Correct. Correct. So -- so I would support the legislation as it's written in Missouri.


PAUL: I just want to make a correction there. That 12-year-old girl in the case is now an adult, wrote for "USA Today," as you might have heard. And she's fighting for others to have the opportunity to get an abortion if they so choose. She was not denied an abortion.

I also spoke with Dr. Leana Wen. She's the President and CEO of Planned Parenthood, and she says, taking women's rights to an abortion will have a deadly outcome for women. Listen to this.


LEANA WEN, PRESIDENT, PLANNED PARENTHOOD: Banning abortion will not stop abortions. It will stop safe legal abortions. And we know what happened before Roe versus Wade. Thousands of women died every year because they didn't have access to safe legal abortions, and we just cannot go back to that time. For us in Planned Parenthood, this is the fight for our patients' lives and it's the fight of our lives.

[08:20:00] Women in this country are paying attention. We are outraged. We know who is standing up for us in our health care and who wants to take away our rights. We know that keeping people unhealthy is a tool of oppression. And stigmatizing women's healthcare is a tool of misogyny. And we will be holding all of these anti-women's-health politicians accountable.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PAUL: Now, listen, we know -- as I said, this is sensitive, this is very personal, and we want to hear your thoughts on the abortion battle. So tweet us @ChristiPaul --

BLACKWELL: -- and @VictorBlackwell -- and be sure to use the #NewDay. We'll share your thoughts throughout the weekend. Again, we're getting scores of --

PAUL: Yes.

BLACKWELL: -- tweets about this issue.

PAUL: Yes. So thank you. Thank you for weighing in.

BLACKWELL: So let's talk about these storms that are coming through. We've got new video of this massive tornado outbreak in the Midwest.

PAUL: Look at that.

BLACKWELL: And I don't know if you could see it there, the bottom right of your screen, that's a semi that was overturned by the storm. A second round of severe weather is expected today across the Central U.S. We'll talk about that.

PAUL: And here's a question for you. With thousands of additional immigrant families separated at the border, we have some new numbers from federal public health experts that suggest that is exactly what happened.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh (ph), in front of us. Semi over in the road. Good night (ph), look at that. It just now knocked a semi over. We're going to check on this driver.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. So this -- yes. This semi just ran smack right into that tornado and there's a lot of people trying to help him out right now. And you folks in Minneola, this thing is headed right in your direction.


PAUL: All right. So, can you imagine driving and all of a sudden you're knocked over by a tornado? This is from the Oklahoma-Kansas border. Moments after that tractor trailer slammed into it, knocked the semi over. The driver was trapped. Fortunately, those storm trackers and bystanders were able to free that man. We hope that he's OK.

But it's amazing to me to think they're standing there, they're trying to help him and they're watching that thing because it looks like it's so close.

BLACKWELL: Yes, it is really close. And look, let me take you to Northwest Oklahoma. In all, nearly 40 tornados were reported across. Man, this thing is crazy. Central part of that state, Central U.S. actually. CNN Meteorologist Allison Chinchar joins us now.

Allison, so that was yesterday. More expected today?

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes. And I want to point out you guys made a very great point about how it looks closer. Perception is very hard to gauge when you were looking at tornadoes because they're not all the same size. So it's hard to tell.

So please keep that in mind if you are out today and perhaps maybe you see one in the distance, just get away from it. OK? Because you don't realize how close it may actually be to you. But that same system that hit yesterday is still here today. It's just beginning to shift a little bit further off to the east. All in all, over 100 total storm reports from yesterday. Really the last 24 hours, over 30 of those were reported tornadoes.

Here is a look at what we have. The tornado watch still in effect for portions of Texas as well as Oklahoma, as a lot of those strong storms continue to push off to the east. Now, we will start to see those storms also begin to advance into states like Arkansas, Louisiana, portions of Missouri as well, once we get into the afternoon and really into evening hours.

Here's the thing though. It's not just a one-day event. You've got the threat today from Texas all the way up to Minnesota. Tomorrow, it becomes more of a Great Lakes threat. And then once we get to Monday, a separate storm actually triggers a brand-new threat for portions of Texas, Oklahoma and even Kansas.

Now, one thing to note, the threats that we're talking about will still be the same. Tornadoes for today for this area here, damaging winds and also very large hail. Now, here's the thing. We talk about very large hail. But what are the actual impacts to everyday life when it comes to hail sizes? Look, here's the thing. Once you get hail size of about one inch, that's about the size of a quarter, this will automatically prompt a severe thunderstorm warning for your area.

Now, what happens if it gets a little bit bigger, maybe up to, say, about the size of a golf ball? This is actually going to put some major dents in asphalt shingles that you would have on your roof, not only because that caused leaks but also it could compromise that understructure of your roof. Meaning, you're probably going to get a new roof out of that.

If it gets even bigger, maybe say perhaps up to the size of baseballs, Victor and Christi, this is not only going to make dents in your care but it's also likely going to take out your windshield. And we had reports of this size yesterday and likely will again today.

PAUL: Wow! All right. Allison Chinchar, thank you so much for the warning. Everybody, take good care out there.

This morning, we're also learning more than 1,700 additional cases of possible family separation have been found. This is according to new numbers from federal public health experts who say all of those cases have "some preliminary indication of separation."

BLACKWELL: U.S. Customs and Border Protection had been handed all of these cases to review. And this stems from a new effort to track down parents and children who were split at the border. It's all part of the ACLU's lawsuit over family separations.

PAUL: There are reports of a power struggle at the Department of Homeland Security as well. "The Washington Post" saying Acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan threatened to resign this week if he wasn't given more authority over his agency.

BLACKWELL: But Post says this all stems from White House senior policy advisor Stephen Miller attempting to influence hiring at the department. CNN White House Reporter Sarah Westwood is following the latest.

Sarah, good morning to you. What happened here?

SARAH WESTWOOD, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, good morning, Victor and Christi. And this was a true power struggle between Acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan and Stephen Miller, who's one of the most influential aides in the White House. He's very hawkish when it comes to immigration. And he's been carving out an increasingly significant role for himself when it comes to DHS and the President's immigration agenda.

Now, this at the heart of it, according to "The Washington Post," appears to be a personnel issue where Stephen Miller wanted to reassign a new nominee to a different agency within the Department of Homeland Security than the one he was originally nominated to.

[08:30:00] McAleenan resisted that. He went to Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, even threatened to quit according the Post if he wasn't given more control over who works at DHS and where. And it appears that McAleenan, he's won this round because that nominee, Mark Morgan, is going to the original place where he was supposed to go at DHS.

But keep in mind that this all comes against the backdrop of what Customs and Border Protection is describing as a crisis, saying that the system is overwhelmed at every level. And CNN has reported that there are contingency plans under discussion to fly migrant families to detention centers across the country.

This week, the White House did roll out its immigration plan, but, Victor and Christi, it appears to be dead on arrival on Capitol Hill with no clear buy-in from Republicans.

BLACKWELL: All right. Sarah Westwood, thank you.

PAUL: Sarah, thanks.

Coming up, an independent report finds Ohio State University had knowledge that a university doctor repeatedly preyed on athletes in his 20 years at the school. We have details on what that investigation revealed. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BLACKWELL: An independent report found that Ohio State University had knowledge that a doctor sexually abused students dating as far back as the late '70s. Dr. Richard Strauss, who killed himself in 2005, is believed to have sexually abused at least 177 students while he worked at the university.

[08:35:00] PAUL: And the report also finds Ohio State personnel were aware of the complaints but failed to adequately investigate the allegations. CNN Correspondent Polo Sandoval is live with us to give us more details here.

Do we know how prolific this was, Polo?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Victor and Christi, we have gone through the report in its entirety. It is certainly disturbing. But it also gives credence to allegations that have been made by former Ohio State University students for many decades here that they were sexually abused by a team doctor and that the university did nothing to stop it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): A message of deep regret and apology is coming from Ohio State University President, Michael Drake. He said the independent report commissioned by OSU contained findings that were both shocking and painful to comprehend.

The redacted document shows the school failed to investigate or act after being told Dr. Richard Strauss sexually abused male student athletes. Findings detail acts of sexual abuse believed to have been carried out against at least 177 students while Strauss worked at the school between 1978 and 1998.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I cannot get the image of the predator's face out of my head, him standing over me while he sexually assaulted me in that clinic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Strauss was allowed to retire from the university in 1998, two years after sex allegations led to his firing from a student clinic and the university's athletic department. He was never prosecuted, and took his own life in 2005. His death left behind dozens of survivors encouraged to speak out amid the recent investigation in November. Some pleaded with the university officials to institute change.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question isn't did this or did this not occur. It is irrefutable, with hundreds of lives negatively affected. The real question becomes, what would it say about OSU if it turned a blind eye again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Another accuser, Michael DiSabato, reacted to the new findings, saying in part, "Now the truth is being told, I feel vindicated, but I have mixed feelings. Although a weight has been lifted off my back, I'm deeply saddened to hear the stories of so many others who suffered similar abuse by Dr. Strauss while Ohio State turned a blind eye."

The report found Strauss's behavior was an open secret to more than 50 staff members in Ohio State's athletic department. Not appearing in the redacted report, Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan, a former OSU assistant wrestling coach. Several victims have come forward with claims that he stayed silent about Strauss.

On Friday, Congressman Jordan's spokesperson wrote, "Investigators concluded what we have said from the beginning. Congressman Jordan never knew of any abuse." The report says investigators could not conclusively determine each and every allegation made about a particular coach's knowledge.


SANDOVAL: There are three groups of plaintiffs that are currently suing Ohio State University. The university says it is actively participating in mediation, not only with survivors but also implementing various changes to university, also saying, Victor and Christi, that it's pushing for an unredacted version of this report to be published that could potentially provide more clues, more information on any other people that could potentially be held accountable.

PAUL: Polo Sandoval, thank you so much.

BLACKWELL: President Trump says the U.S. is winning the trade war with China, but not everyone agrees with that. So, how do American farmers feel? We'll talk to the Founder and President of the National Black Farmers Association, John Boyd, Jr. He's with us next.


BLACKWELL: Well, soon tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada and Mexico will be gone. President Trump lifted those tariffs Friday. This is a move that pushes the U.S. closer to finalizing the President's NAFTA replacement and comes just one day after the President announced he would delay tariffs on European and Japanese cars.

But on the other hand, farmers across the U.S. are worried. Many say they do not know what's going to happen if the trade war with China continues.

Let's talk now with John Boyd, Jr. He is the Founder and President of the National Black Farmers Association.

John, welcome back.


BLACKWELL: So, if I remember correctly, you farm soybeans and wheat, right?

BOYD: Yes. Soybeans, wheat, and a hundred head of beef cattle in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. BLACKWELL: OK. So, soybeans are selling for half what they sold per

bushel just a few years ago, down from north of $16, around $17 at one point, now to a little more than $8. What does that mean for you and your ability to continue operating your farm and support your family?

BOYD: Well, the President has given the farmers a tough row to hoe. And what I mean by that is, last week, he made some additional announcements about more tariffs. And I checked the local markets there, and soybeans were $7 and some change a bushel.

And farmers can't borrow operating money right now. Banks don't want to hear about you trying to sell soybeans for $7.80 a bushel. And how are you going to pay your mortgages and light bill and college tuition for your children, all of these things.

And the President needs to take those things into consideration when he speaks off the hip and off the cuff like that and just makes comments, oh, farmers can kind of stick it out and wait it out.

I'm not in the financial condition to stick it out and wait it out for the President, and I believe that the President owes farmers like myself next steps. What's going to happen? What's going to happen if the tariffs aren't open?

And what bothers me is, the President nor the Agriculture Secretary has opened any new markets for farmers like myself. So we're kind of left out here scrambling, not knowing what the future has in store for us.

[08:45:00] BLACKWELL: Last summer, late summer, early fall, August- September, Secretary Perdue, the Agriculture Secretary, announced that there would be subsidies for farmers who are impacted by the ongoing trade war, specifically for soybeans, $1.65 a bushel. Have you received that?

BOYD: Not yet. Not yet. And that's -- every time the President says, oh, well, we can do another round of relief payments for farmers, that means slow payments for minority farmers and black farmers like myself. For some reason, once the government gets involved, we're the last ones to receive the benefits.

So I would much rather see them open the doors back to China and other markets so that I can get a fair price for my crop and not depend on government subsidies and those types of things, because when that happens and comes into play, farmers like myself suffer more.

BLACKWELL: Now, you are the President of the National Black Farmers Association. And --

BOYD: Yes.

BLACKWELL: -- most farmers are white. But what does this ongoing strain that these trade tariffs are doing to black farmers? What does that mean for the sustainability of the percentage of black farmers who still exist? Are we going to see a continued, from your membership, diminishment of the number of black farmers? BOYD: It hurts our membership. And most farmers are white. And many voted for President Trump. In fact, it's his base. And that's why I can't figure why he's not doing more to help our farmers, especially those who voted for him and why they're not more vocal at speaking out. I watched some farmers on CNN and they say about how much difficulty they're in. But they don't say, hey, I'm not going to support President Trump next time. They're not willing to go that far.

But for African-American farmers, we're seeing it worse. This administration has been closed to leaders like myself. I've reached out to the Agriculture Secretary and to the President and asked for a sit-down meeting. And the Secretary of Agriculture told a lone reporter that, oh, he meets with black farmers when he's passing them and meeting them at certain venues. But he needs to meet me in an official capacity and answer questions about what is this administration going to do to assist farmers like myself, right now, who haven't received payments and who need government assistance but not getting them like other farmers are.


BOYD: These are things I would like to talk to the President and the Agriculture Secretary about.

BLACKWELL: And I understand just that --

BOYD: (Inaudible).

BLACKWELL: -- for preparing for this that you've met with every agriculture secretary dating back to, what, the Carter administration?

BOYD: Absolutely. To the Carter administration, both Republican and Democrat. It's almost common courtesy when a new Agriculture Secretary comes in, they meet leaders like myself and the farm bureau. The President has been at the farm bureau. The Agriculture Secretary has spoken there. So why can't they meet with leaders like myself and find out what the needs our African-American farmers have right now.

BLACKWELL: Yes. I know this is a difficult time. And the last time you were on the show was during the government shutdown and what that meant for you personally and --

BOYD: Yes.

BLACKWELL: -- for your membership.

John Boyd, Jr., always good to talk to you.

BOYD: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: All the best to you.

BOYD: And thank you for having me back.

BLACKWELL: Certainly.

PAUL: From Masters to missed cut, Tiger Woods, guess what he's going to be watching from home just like you this weekend. Andy?

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Christi. Unfortunately, for the fans here in New York, Tiger Woods won't be hanging around this weekend and neither will golfer Jon Rahm. But before he departed, he left his mark here on the course here at Bethpage Black. I'll explain, coming up.


PAUL: So I'm thinking a few weeks ago, when he won the Masters, we weren't thinking about talking about this.


PAUL: Tiger Woods missing the cut at the PGA Championship.

PAUL: Yes, some days you could train, some days you could track. So Andy Scholes is live for the new course, the course in New York rather. So what went wrong for Tiger?

SCHOLES: Well, guys, Tiger just couldn't find a fairway all day long yesterday. He only hit the fairway three times in round two. And this course here at Bethpage Black, it's one of the toughest courses in the entire country. And you're just not going to be successful if you're not hitting the ball well off the tee here. And Tiger's day, it went south on the back nine. He bogeyed 10, 11 and 12. And this is just the fourth time in his career that Tiger has missed the cut at the PGA Championship, and Tiger said after the round, you know, it was definitely disappointing.


TIGER WOODS, AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: Well, I'm not playing in the weekend. That's all. It's disappointing and just didn't quite have it.

I've enjoyed being the Masters champion again and the PGA was a quick turnaround. And unfortunately, I just didn't play well.


SCHOLES: All right. The reigning champ, Brooks Koepka, meanwhile nearly putting this tournament away yesterday after a record-setting first round, Koepka shooting five-under in round two. He's now 12- under for the tournament, and that's the lowest two-round score in any major championship history.


BROOKS KOEPKA, AMERICAN PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I mean, I like that lead to grow as large as it possibly can. I still got to go out there and do what I'm supposed to do, keep -- putting the ball in the right spot, and I should have a good chance of winning the championship.


SCHOLES: So Koepka has a seven-shot lead heading into today. He's looking to make history here this weekend. He's already the reigning PGA champ and two-time U.S. Open champion, and no one has ever held back-to-back majors at two different tournaments at the same time. We'll look and see if he can get that done this weekend.

Now, finally, before I go, I want to show you a funny moment from yesterday's second round. Dustin Johnson was prepping for this shot. And the broadcast, it caught Jon Rahm running over to a tree to use the bathroom. The camera guy kind of nervously saw what was happening and tried to frame it out, but didn't do a good job of it. But you know what they say, guys? I guess, when you got to go, you got to go.

[08:55:00] BLACKWELL: Yes. I mean, you know, we just caught the irrigation system live in the middle of the tournament.


SCHOLES: There's not bathrooms readily available at every hole, so.


PAUL: Oh, my God.

BLACKWELL: All right.

PAUL: He must not be feeling too good this morning that we're talking about this.

BLACKWELL: Andy Scholes --

SCHOLES: All right.

BLACKWELL: -- thanks so much.

PAUL: I'm not going to say that.

In tonight's episode of "CHASING LIFE," Dr. Sanjay Gupta travels to Turkey. This is a cultural crossroads where science and mysticism co- exist to find alternative ways of managing health and fighting disease beyond popping the pills that so many Americans depend on.


SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT & HOST, CHASING LIFE: In the States, drug overdoses are a top cause of unintentional death. Here, you make a lot of it in Turkey, and yet you just -- you don't see it. Even in the town that's literally named opium, you don't see it that much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We all need to use medication occasionally in our lives, but I think it has a lot to do in terms of social and family structures. And here, the family ties are quite strong. People still keep an eye on each other. And so there's this self-control mechanism that is there.

GUPTA: Is there a stigma around addictions?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. But it's not only that. The culture is so influenced by religion --

GUPTA: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- that Islam shaped people's perception.


PAUL: "CHASING LIFE" with Dr. Sanjay Gupta airs tonight at 9:00 Eastern only here on CNN.

BLACKWELL: Thanks for watching this morning.

PAUL: "SMERCONISH" is coming up next. We'll see you in an hour.