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President Trump's Day Two In The United Kingdom; Marking 30 Years After Tiananmen Square; Missing North Korean Official Seen In State Media Photo; Trumps Attend State Banquet with Queen Elizabeth; Bodies of Five Missing Climbers Spotted in India; Apple to End iTunes in Favor of More Modern Apps. Aired 12-1a ET

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): First came the pageantry, now comes the protests, huge numbers are expected to take to the streets to demonstrate against Donald Trump's state visit to the U.K.

And 30 years since Beijing government ordered the military to murder demonstrators and this new generation of leaders seems willing to own a massacre.

Plus, Apple pulling the plug on iTunes music platform.

Hello and welcome to our viewers all around the world. I'm John Vause, you're watching CNN NEWSROOM.


VAUSE: After the royal treatment on day one of the state visit to the U.K., Donald Trump will turn to trade talks, meeting with the prime minister as well as business leaders.

This will also be the day for a massive protest in London, the Trump baby balloon will make a return, environmental activists, women's rights and anti-racism demonstrator and people who just don't like the president all taking part in a carnival of resistance. It will be a stark contrast to the pomp and circumstance seen on Monday as the two countries celebrate their so-called special relationship.


PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight, President Trump raising a glass and delivering a toast from the Buckingham Palace ballroom.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I offer a toast to the eternal friendship of our people, the vitality of our nations and to the long-cherished and truly remarkable reign of Her Majesty, the Queen. BROWN (voice-over): Every detail of this lavish white tie affair personally approved by Queen Elizabeth, including a menu that's been in the works for six months.

ELIZABETH I, QUEEN OF ENGLAND: Tonight we celebrate an alliance that has helped to ensure the safety and prosperity of both our peoples for decades and which I believe will endure for many years to come.

BROWN (voice-over): Tonight's main event, capping off a busy first day at the president's long-awaited state visit to the United Kingdom. The elaborate displays of hospitality towards Mr. Trump and the first lady started early, including a private lunch with the queen, inspecting the honor guard, a tour of Westminster Abbey and tea with Prince Charles.

President Trump, for the most part, now respecting royal protocol, despite throwing diplomatic and political protocol out the window ahead of his visit. The president making waves by criticizing London's mayor, Sadiq Khan, as a, quote, "stone-cold loser," just minutes before Air Force One touched down in his city.

The insulting tweet apparently in response to an explosive op-ed written by the mayor, describing Trump as, quote, "one of the most egregious examples of a growing global threat."

And in a separate controversy, Mr. Trump in an interview described Meghan Markle, now the Duchess of Sussex, as "nasty" after learning she once said she would move to Canada if Trump were ever elected.

Trump tweeting Sunday morning, "I never called Meghan Markle nasty," despite audio of the interview that would suggest otherwise.

TRUMP: I didn't know that she was nasty.

BROWN (voice-over): The trip happening as the U.K. faces its own issues in leadership amid their Brexit vote to leave the European Union. The president set to meet with the exiting prime minister Theresa May tomorrow, who is stepping aside on Friday, the country not knowing who their next leader will be.

Boris Johnson is a contender to take over and President Trump says he's a fan.

TRUMP: Well, I may meet with him. He's been a friend of mine, he's been very nice. I have a very good relationship with him.


VAUSE: Pamela Brown reporting there.

So let's go to CNN's Nic Robertson, our international diplomatic editor, who is live outside Number 10.

Queen Elizabeth proved yet again to be the master of diplomacy but there was this toast that some see as a very gentle, veiled jab at the U.S. president. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF ENGLAND: After the shared sacrifices of the Second World War, Britain and the United States worked with other allies to build an assembly of international institutions, to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated.

While the world has changed, we are forever mindful of the original purpose of these structures, nations working together to safeguard a hard-won peace.


VAUSE: So given Trump's record on placing little value on old alliances and the strain caused by America first, was this toast a subtle --


VAUSE: -- criticism or reading way too much into it?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: No, I think this is exactly what it was, it was a diplomatic criticism, it is what he might hear behind closed doors and we got to hear it up front.

When people ask what is the value of a state banquet and what is the value of having the queen host somebody like President Trump and other leaders, she has hosted many in the past, I think this was the 113th leader she has hosted, it gives her an opportunity to say the things that perhaps others feel a little awkward to say.

And this is something that, as you just said, the world is aware that President Trump's world view it is not the one that was shared by the leaders of the alliance during the Second World War. His view, as you say, is America first and to break up the international order.

And what the queen was doing was reminding him that, in her view and in the view of this nation as well, that those institutions are what have kept Europe safe, particularly in a time of rising populism and nationalism, the things that contributed to bring the onset of World War II.

So I think this was absolutely the moment where the queen could put on the record what she feels the values are or should be of countries going forward. So, yes, she told President Trump what she thought in diplomatic language.

VAUSE: Yes, and Donald Trump enjoyed the first day of his trip, he tweeted tremendous crowds of well-wishers and people that love our country. Haven't seen any protesters yet but I feel that fake news is working pretty hard to find them.

Well, we could not find these tremendous crowds of well-wishers and it's hard to imagine that he saw them because he was flying by helicopter. But there were these giant images, projections that were projected onto the major landmarks around London, comparing the U.K. approval rating to Donald Trump, 21 percent, and for the previous president, 72 percent.

Also images of the U.S.S. John McCain which officials tried to keep from the view of the president during the recent state visit to Japan.

The reality is, as much as Obama was loved and respected by the British, Trump is reviled and denigrated. And the real demonstrations will be happening in the coming hours.

How extensive are these protests expected to be?

ROBERTSON: Well, they are certainly attracting some high profile people, the leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, says that he will not only attend the rally but he will also speak at it and he turned down the opportunity to be at that state banquet last night.

So there is certainly political opportunity being taken by the opposition party here; that article, the op-ed that you talked about before from Mayor Sadiq Khan is really, you know, it goes beyond what it says in terms of its political reach here.

Sadiq Khan is from the Labour Party and this is a moment, as you mentioned, of political upheaval in the U.K. So this really is an opportunity to try to tar the Conservative Party and the potential leader, Boris Johnson, with President Trump and what angers this country about President Trump.

The Labour Party is trying to bring about a general election and that is its aim at the moment. So all of that is fuel for that. But, yes, you have all the other protesters, the protesters that are protesting for women's rights, for LGBTQ rights and for things they feel President Trump does not give equal weight to, climate change and all those issues.

So that can be expected later today. I have to say that numbers of people both protesters and people lining the streets surprised me a little. Yesterday was a sunny day; I was outside of Buckingham Palace and the crowds were not so strong there, tourists, a few additional people coming to watch.

This is the second time the president has been to London so I do feel that the protests that we saw last time, reportedly a quarter of 1 million people according to some estimates out on the streets last time, I don't get the sense that those numbers are going to come out. But absolutely there will be people out there.

VAUSE: There will indeed. Thank you for being with us and we will catch up with you next hour, thank you.

Let's go to our CNN European affairs commentator, Dominic Thomas.

So let's talk about the trade talks, the free trade agreement that they're trying to get in place. David Henig, who's the U.K. director of the European Center for International Political Economy, he wrote this.

"The deal President Trump has in mind seems closer to an abusive relationship with a vulnerable country than a genuine partnership. There are those this week who will rush to embrace the president's promises of a trade deal. But any dispassionate assessment of his record over the last three years suggests we should avoid him at all costs."

So in other words, no trade deal with the U.S. is better than a bad trade deal?

But is no deal even an option here for London?

So much of this post-Brexit strategy is just to do with Washington.


DOMINIC THOMAS, CNN EUROPEAN AFFAIRS COMMENTATOR: Throughout the whole Brexit process, the referendum and the whole of the debates and the negotiations that took place in Parliament, the grand narrative was that the U.K. in extricating itself from all the obligations it faced at the European Union would be able to become an autonomous, trading nation and strike these deals around the world.

It is precisely the reason why Donald Trump is there today, is because for the past two years, Prime Minister May has been pushing to have him come to the U.K. on an official visit so that they can precisely push for this kind of agenda.

And the reason why President Trump is talking about this so much now is that, as some of his friends and sympathizers, such as Boris Johnson, are running for the leadership succession of Prime Minister May, the question and the importance of the trade deal is there again.

But the reality, of course, is that the U.K.'s major trading partner is the European Union and that it already enjoys significant trade deals with the United States that, along with Germany, are the single countries with which it has these particular deals that are in place.

So, of course, it is -- yet again, gets us caught up in this grand narrative and story about Brexit that has been so challenged by economists throughout.

VAUSE: Part of these talks may or may not include opening Britain's medical sector to American corporations. This is the point seized off by London's mayor, who wrote in an email that Trump is not here to spread his hateful views and tweet childish insults but to make a U.K.-U.S. trade deal that would force Britain to agree anything he wants.

"It would mean handing over our beloved NHS" -- national health system -- "to private U.S. health care firms and abandoning food safety and animal welfare standards in exchange for chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef. And he is openly backing Boris Johnson to deliver this for him."

So if you look at the past trade negotiations by the Trump administration, is any other reason to believe in the U.K. would not be treated in a different way? Would the special relationship here stack up for anything?

THOMAS: Yes, one cannot underestimate the level of the political crisis in the U.K. right now, not just the devastating results and the message that was sent to the European Union elections last week. Let's not forget the Conservative Party came in fifth place. You have an ineffective leadership in the opposition and a completely divided Labour Party.

And this is absolutely ideal, this is what President Trump likes, is the opportunity to exploit these divisions. When he talks about his support for Brexit, he is essentially undermining and sending a blow to the European Union.

A weaker European Union favors President Trump's America first agenda. He does not like this organization and he would love to see the U.K. extricate itself from that because the U.K. would be a much weaker trading partner.

And we know from precedence, we know from the ways in which President Trump has talked about dealmaking, he is a bully, he likes to be in a position in power and he likes to negotiate in deeply asymmetrical relationships. That is precisely what that would be while at the same time asking the U.K. to adhere to these lowered standards that concern pharmaceuticals, animal foods and so on and so forth.

And the U.K. will find itself at a very difficult crossroads between choosing between E.U. standards and that huge market and adhering and having to embrace what Donald Trump will expect of them as we enter into these trade negotiations.

VAUSE: The state visit has been on again, off again, they've been planning it, walking it back for two years.

What did Theresa May actually expect she could achieve from this visit?

How was she going to butter up Donald Trump and what would she get at the end of the day?

And how is that going to work out now?

Because it seems everything points to the fact that this state visit is exposing the divisions in the special relationship and not bringing them closer together as she had hoped?

THOMAS: Well, no, and together even in a historical relationship, Nic Robertson was talking about the queen's speech. And we know that when Emmanuel Macron came to the United States, the whole visit was framed around the importance of this historic relationship between France and the United States.

And he was hoping to convince him to change his position on the Paris climate accord, on Iran and all of those requests fell on deaf ears. Here we are at the moment of the 75th anniversary of D-Day, an incredible example of multilateralism that led to this liberal democratic order and to peace in Europe since the Second World War.

The fact remains that this historical relationship, as much one thinks it will outlast the Trump presidency and the crisis of politics in the U.K. right now, the fact is that, as the veterans are dying off and as that era is passing, we are entering into a new world order.

And it is impossible to anticipate where this new order will take us. I think it is a moment of grave concern and the fact that he is there visiting at a time when the British prime minister is about to step down, is, of course, this trip came much too late for Theresa May and there is tremendous uncertainty as we move forward here in the U.K. --


THOMAS: right now. And really, it is only Trumpism, if we can call it that, that is benefiting from this, from seeing a kind of weakening of these institutions and organizations and he thrives on that.

VAUSE: Dominic, we have a lot more to get to on this story. We know you will be back with us next hour, along with Nic Robertson. We will talk more about this trade deal and what's at stake for both countries, so thank you for being with us, we appreciate it.

We are taking a break. When we come back, 30 years ago the world watched in horror as pro-democracy protesters rose up in China and the government beat them down. Three decades after Tiananmen Square and an entire generation has grown up not knowing it ever happened.

Also ahead, the failed U.S.-North Korean summit in Hanoi, embarrassing for Pyongyang and it Supreme Leader. Now CNN has learned exclusive information about the fate and punishment of two top officials at the center of those failed talks.




VAUSE: The main Sudanese opposition group has ended talks with the ruling military council after deadly violence against protesters, who were demanding a civilian government in Khartoum.

Some people may find this video hard to watch.


VAUSE: Forces leading the opposition say at least 35 people were killed when security forces attacked a sit-in with live ammunition on Monday. There also reports on the Internet that after the bloodshed, the general leading Sudan's government took to the airwaves.

He called for elections within nine months but also said all previous deals with the opposition have been canceled. He expressed regret at Monday's violence and said it would be investigated. (END VIDEO CLIP)

VAUSE: 1989: democracy was spreading like a wave across Europe and the Soviet Union but wave stopped in China, specifically in Tiananmen Square. June 4th, 1989, thousands of Chinese protesters gathered there to demand freedom and democracy.

Instead, the government turned on them, sending in troops to massacre an unknown number of demonstrators. The day was personified by Tank Man, who defied the military tanks as they moved through the square.

Three decades later there is no democracy and very little freedom in China. Matt Rivers joins us now from Beijing.

Matt, Tiananmen Square is pretty much a no-go zone for reporters at any time of the year.

On this anniversary, though, what do you see in terms of security and in terms of any protesters?

MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we can't get anywhere near Tiananmen Square today, we are --


RIVERS: -- probably about two kilometers away west from Tiananmen Square right now. But interestingly, despite that Tiananmen Square is what continues to exist in the common memory for people across the West, it is actually not far beyond those trees right there in an area called Mushibi (ph) where there was actually a lot of the killing that took place on June 4th.

We can't get any closer to that because I don't know if you can see it, the cop car right there, you can see that police car showed up about 10 seconds after we got here and we have been seen by about three or four different plainclothes police.

We stood, we got out of our car to do this hit about 30 seconds before because, if you spend too much time out on the streets in Beijing, especially anywhere near a sensitive area like Mushibi (ph), you are going to be hounded immediately.

So one of the concerns that we had throughout the day today is how are we going to report these live shots without being harassed by the police.

Now keep in mind everything we're doing here is legal, this is a public street. But I say that to illustrate the point that this is absolutely one of China's government's least favorite topics.

They do not want as talking about it and I can almost guarantee that our CNN signal in mainland China is going to be cut, right now when we are talking about this. And all that goes to show you that they do everything they can to limit public conversation about this incident.

And it is not just with Western journalists. It is primarily with the Chinese public. If you search Tiananmen Square on the Chinese Internet right now, you are going to get anything. You are not going to hear anything about the massacres. It is not taught in the schools, John.

People here actively encourage their children not to talk about it and to not be political and that is all at the behest of the Chinese government. So this is not a subject China's government wants to talk about it because critics say it undermines the legitimacy of the current regime.

VAUSE: That's the thing; there's an entire generation under this Communist governments that have absolutely no idea what happened June 4th, 1989. Have no idea about the thousands or the unknown number of protesters and university students that were killed.

On the orders of the most senior leadership or the government, they sent in the PLA, the People's Liberation Army, to kill people with heavy weapons and tanks.

But what we have seen now, though, is that some officials, specifically the defense minister, over the weekend in Singapore, actually spoke about Tiananmen Square.


WEI FENGHE, CHINESE MINISTER OF DEFENSE (through translator): Everybody is concerned about Tiananmen after 30 years. Throughout the 30 years, China, under the Communist Party, has undergone many changes.

Do you think the government was wrong with the handling of June 4th?

There was a conclusion to that incident. There was political turmoil that the central government needed to quell. The government was decisive in stopping the turbulence. That was the correct policy.


VAUSE: I can see you looking around and you're anxious about the public security guys that will come and get you at any moment, which is a legitimate concern.

But is this current leadership, are they willing to own this gross violation of human rights, the worst kind, when a government turns its military on its own people?

RIVERS: I don't think they're willing to go so far and own that. And especially when you consider that, in that forum, where the defense minister was talking, that was in Singapore at a forum primarily directed toward a Western audience, a global audience.

I don't think most people here in China are really going to hear about the defense minister's comments to that audience in Singapore, specifically because the Chinese state media is not going to write that up and make that known. I think when it comes to the Chinese government, they understand that

the rest of the world generally knows exactly what happened in Tiananmen Square. They are more concerned about their domestic population, people that live in China, ordinary citizens. That is their biggest concern.

Ultimately, if there would be political change, it would come from your average Chinese citizen and not from Mike Pompeo, secretary of state in the U.S., so I think that ultimately is where their concern is.

(INAUDIBLE) happen. They are most concerned that making sure that their own people here that are not as aware.

VAUSE: We are running out of time but it is important to remember that the protest in Tiananmen Square actually started over an increasing food crisis, inflation and then it became about democracy and other human rights.

But we will check in with you again next hour to see what the situation is there. Matt Rivers live for us not far from Tiananmen Square. Thank you, Matt.

We have exclusive new details now about the mysterious reappearance of North Korea's Kim Yong-chol. Kim has been the North's lead nuclear negotiator with the United States, including this failed summit in Hanoi between Kim Jong-un and President Trump. A South Korean newspaper reported that he had been sent to a prison camp.

But on Monday Kim Yong-chol showed up in a state newspaper photograph, attending an art performance --


VAUSE: -- just a few seats away from leader Kim Jong-un.

But is it really him?

CNN has not verified the photograph. And his hands are partially covering his face. Sources are telling CNN that Kim Yong-chol has been almost completely stripped of all his authority.

We also have news of the fate of another senior North Korean envoy. For that, CNN's Will Ripley who has reported from North Korea on 19 separate reports, he joins us live from Hong Kong.

Will, explain what we know at this point and what we don't know and why.

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have been chasing leads for several days on this story, trying to verify the "Chosun Ilbo" report from late last week, that Kim Yong-chol, special envoy to the U.S., one of the key negotiators on the North Korean side of the failed summit in Hanoi, the report was that he was executed.

But as I spoke to source after source and no one could confirm that information and what I have learned over the past couple of hours after speaking with several sources is that Kim Yong-chol is still alive.

He is being held in custody and is remains under investigation for his role in that failed summit, whether not he did anything wrong, he could face charges. That is still being worked out.

And I'm told at the moment sources say that he could face a heavy punishment but given that there has been such a spotlight on North Korea after the announcement of this execution, it was clear over the weekend that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un wanted to show the world that, in fact, he is not just killing officials over a bad negotiation, which is why sources say Kim Yong-chol, the ex-spy master and the head of the negotiating team, the U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo's counterpart, resurfaced in that photograph over the weekend, sitting about five seats down from Kim Jong-un at an art performance.

Interesting detail about Kim Yong-chol -- and we have been hearing about this for a number of weeks now -- he was not sent to a labor camp as was reported in South Korea but, instead, was kept essentially locked in his office and forced to write sentences of self-criticism in silence for weeks.

That apparently is the punishment for the man who was once North Korea's spy chief, once the lead nuclear negotiator. Sources now say that his powers have been stripped from him; however, he was still seated in the VIP row, albeit at the very end of the row at that performance, trotted out for the cameras alongside Kim Jong-un over the weekend.

VAUSE: Very quickly, Will, the reason why this story seems incredible is because this is how business is done in North Korea. You fail the leadership, you often pay the ultimate price. This has happened before.

RIPLEY: Right, but in the case of some high level officials, that price may not be a purge in terms of, you are killed or executed; officials could be sent to the North Korean equivalent of a white collar prison, which is the same kind of facility that they would send an American detain in North Korea, where they would go and dig holes and sit in solitary but not the kind of horrific hard labor conditions that are outlined and alleged in numerous reports from the United Nations and whatnot.

However in the case of Kim Yong-chol, it apparently didn't go that far. He was in his office, writing about the mistakes that he made and having much of his power stripped at this late stage of his career and then having to endure the humiliation publicly of that knowledge, from moving forward for the resulting failure in Hanoi.

That could be the punishment bestowed upon him. At least for now, things could always change in North Korea. It is a mercurial place; one day you are in, the next day you are out. It is a heavy society. But the number one priority is to make Kim Jong-un, the supreme leader, look good. And the team in Hanoi, Vietnam, when president Trump walked out and

forced the North Korean leader to go back without a deal and a backup plan, well, we certainly knew at that stage that there would be people on the team who would have to pay the price.

And we are still learning details about what that price is. Also, the translator for Kim Jong-un reportedly still in custody and under investigation for making some sort of error allegedly at the summit that may have caused Kim, allegedly, to say something that caused the deal to fall apart.

In other words, the bottom line, it was everybody else's fault but certainly not Kim Jong-un's fault that Trump walked out.

VAUSE: It sounds familiar. Will, thank you. Will Ripley live in Hong Kong.

Still to come, the pomp, the pageantry, now the controversy. Donald Trump kicked off his first state visit to the U.K.


JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. Thanks for staying with us. I'm John Vause with an update of our top news this hour.

[00:31:49] Talks between Sudan's main opposition group and the military counsel have broken down after security forces attacked a protest in Khartoum on Monday. A doctors group says at least 35 people were killed. The country's de facto military chief says an investigation will be carried out. He's also promised elections will be held within nine months.

North Korea would like everyone to know its top nuclear negotiator is still alive. Experts suspect Kim Young Chol was blamed for the failed Hanoi summit with the U.S. president. Sources now tell us he's been stripped of almost all of his power, and those sources say another top envoy to the U.S. is still alive, even though a South Korean newspaper reported his execution.

The welcome could not have been more grand. A cannon salute at Buckingham Palace, lunch with the queen, a spot of tea with Prince Charles. Donald Trump seemed to relish the royal red carpet.

But despite it all, the U.S. president still could not resist a bit of controversy on his first day of his visit.

CNN's Kate Bennett reports.


KATE BENNETT, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Marine One touched down at Buckingham Palace, the president and the first lady were greeted by Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall. On display, all of the pomp and circumstance that comes with a state visit by a U.S. president with one of the country's oldest allies. A special audience with the queen of England on her turf.

QUEEN ELIZABETH, UNITED KINGDOM: Visits by American presidents always remind us of the close and long-standing friendship between the United Kingdom and the United States.

BENNETT: The president adhering to the highest level of protocol, managed not to trip up. Sticking to the script, something he did not do before he even landed on British soil, tweeting this morning his fury at London Mayor Sadiq Khan, calling the vocal Trump critic a, quote, "stone-cold loser."

But his focused returned to the grandeur of the day and evening, keeping his respect for the queen on full display at the white tie state banquet, a top-tier event with 170 guests, tables that took four days to set, and a menu that included steamed filet of halibut and Windsor lamb. Flower arrangements loaded with roses, and on the guest list, princesses and princes, dukes and duchesses, lords and ladies, and the family Trump.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Your majesty. Melania and I are profoundly honored to be your guests for this historic state visit.

BENNETT: For the queen, a party with a president isn't a new thing. She's been doing this for decades, dining with nearly every leader of the free world since she was young.

QUEEN ELIZABETH: I paid my first state visit to your country at the invitation of President Eisenhower.

BENNETT: Trump, accompanied by first lady Melania Trump, who for the day's events wowed in a white dress and matching custom hat, and who for the banquet wore a couture Christian Dior white gown and long gloves, commended the queen's patriotism.

TRUMP: She has embodied the spirit of dignity, duty, and patriotism that beats proudly in every British heart.

BENNETT: For the first lady, the day has been the culmination of weeks of planning, brushing up on her protocol and studying the best way to both honor the visit, and be a first lady comfortable in the presence of a monarch.

[00:35:06] Yet it was the president who seemed to relish most the special relationship between the two countries and his personal ties to the U.K.

QUEEN ELIZABETH: And with your own Scottish ancestry, Mr. President, you, too, have a particular connection to this country.

BENNETT: Tiaras sparkling, and royal pedigrees dating back ages, gusts raised glasses and Trump this morning grumpily tweeting, tonight all smiles. Took in all the attention.

QUEEN ELIZABETH: Ladies and gentlemen, I invite you all to rise and drink a toast to President and Mrs. Trump. (END VIDEOTAPE)

VAUSE: Our thanks to CNN's Kate Bennett for that report.

Well, a search team in the Indian Himalayas says it spotted five bodies, which is diminishing hopes that eight climbers will be found alive. And official says the group was most likely caught in a huge avalanche, at an altitude of about 5,000 meters. Though part of a 12- person expedition, hoping to scale Nandi Devi East in the Himalayas, a Facebook posts show they may have tried to reach a different peak without permission.

CNN's Nikhil Kumar live for us in New Delhi.

So what's the latest on the search, Nikhil?

NIKHIL KUMAR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, right now the teams are assessing the situation on this unnamed peak. Because as you say, the permissions that this group of 12 had sought were for climbing Nandi Devi East, one of the tallest mountains here in India.

What they did, in fact, these eight climbers, was that they ventured towards this unnamed peak, where this avalanche occurred. And now the search teams, which are still at the base camp on Nandi Devi East after that sighting of five bodies on Monday, they're trying to work out how best to get to this area.

They're concerned about further avalanches. They're concerned about the bad weather in the area. For the last two days, there's been a lot of rain. There's been quite strong winds. And so for right now, they're still holding meetings to work out how best to send in the ground teams.

The air operations have ended. The officials on the ground, we just spoke to one shortly before I came on air, who said that they're quite confident that the -- in addition to the five bodies that were spotted, that the other climbers are buried under the snow. And right now, they feel it's quite risky to send in the ground teams, until they've made a full assessment of the safety.

So that's what's happening on the ground now before they move in for the recovery -- John.

VAUSE: Nikhil, thank you. Nikhil Kumar there, live with the updates on the missing climbers. We appreciate it, Nikhil. Thank you.

A short break. When we come back here on CNN NEWSROOM, bye bye iTunes. We hardly know you. Apple scrapping its longtime music platform. So what's replacing it? And what happens to all your old songs?


VAUSE: Well, iTunes revolutionized the way we bought music and changed the industry forever. But soon, it will be no more.

After 18 years, Apple will begin phasing out iTunes, replaced by three new apps called music, podcasts, TV. Make sense?

Scott Perry is a tech and marketing consultant for Sperry Media. He joins us now from Los Angeles.

[00:40:03] OK, I can't believe it's been 18 years since iTunes started. How old am I? I mean, and I'm still struggling with it. But you know, I kind of went down how to do the playlist, and upload, you know, my favorite music. What happens now? Where does that all go?

SCOTT PERRY, SPERRY MEDIA: Well, you know, it's just time to pour a 40 for the old iTunes music service in favor of -- in favor Apple Music.

You know, I mean, Steve jobs did the same thing in 2000 -- oh, gosh, when was it? 2008, when he eliminate the disk drive in the MacBook Air and then switched over to the app store in 2011.

So likewise, with Apple Music, what's going to happen is you've basically have been warned that it's time to start using Apple Music. And those playlists that you made in iTunes, those songs you had for iTunes, you need to start checking them off in Apple Music so that they are part of your new music experience as we go all streaming all the time.

Now Apple has made assurances. Go ahead.

VAUSE: Can I ask quickly, have they got a plan to make it easy? Because every time they make these changes -- I speak for all people of my age everywhere -- it just gets harder and more difficulty and more confusing.

PERRY: Well, the good thing is, like, when you sign into Apple Music, with the same address that you use for your iTunes account, all those purchases that you made on the iTunes store are automatically ported into your library.

But, now for all the CDs that you ripped, all the bootlegs that you have, all that other stuff, now that's going to be kind of a mess. Because what you really have to do now is go into iTunes music and check off those songs that you want.

Now, the good news is at least you're not having to go from another format and buy all that stuff all over again like we did from, you know, vinyl to cassettes to CDs to downloads, back to vinyl. So at least you're not spending all that money to do it again.

But at the same time, if you've got, you know, 5,000 songs in your iTunes collection, to find them again in Apple Music, and check them off, one by one, and find them and save them, and put them together in those playlists like you remember, it's going to take some time and some work for those people that really want to do it. But the real truth is, go ahead.

VAUSE: No, I was going to say, surely, there's a program that can do that. PERRY: You would think so. You would think so. But nobody has,

like, quite built that model out yet. And, in all honesty, kids these days, they didn't grow up with it like we did. They're just purely streaming. They went straight to YouTube to hear the songs. They want to Spotify. They went to Pandora. They -- they don't know the concept of actually buying music. And so when it's all provided for them for free, it's become, not necessarily disposable, but it changes so quickly that they don't hold onto these things like we do.

VAUSE: It's just all changing. Nothing's of value anymore. I think you've got, what, 56 million paying customers using subscription services, you know, on the Pandoras and Spotify. So I guess the time is right for a change.

PERRY: Yes, yes. I mean, the whole world is moving towards a streaming space. So the whole concept of actually storing any media on a physical device doesn't matter anymore, when we have, like, 5G networks, and superfast transistors and processors that allow us to access the stuff anytime, anywhere.

Now the hard part is, when you have those, you know, live bootlegs, you know, from your favorite show that aren't licensed or available, or certain songs that you might not find in the catalog. But then again, Apple Music does have access to 15 million songs. And your Apple Music library allows you to hold onto 100,000 of those, which dwarfs anything that you could actually physically store in your iPod when you originally had it. So you know, this thing right here, got to kiss it good-bye, but it served me very well.

VAUSE: Yes. Memories. Memories.

Very quickly, what about my iTune gift cards that I've never used?

PERRY: I'm sure that there's, like, a monetary value for those that can be transferred over to iMusic. But you know, the new operating system doesn't come out till the fall, so you've got, like, a four- month window to really do it.

VAUSE: To buy stuff that I won't know how to transfer to the new thing. Thanks, Scott. That's all so -- We're out of time. Appreciate you coming in, mate. Thank you

PERRY: Thanks, man. Thanks, John.

VAUSE: And thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm John Vause. WORLD SPORT'S next. You're watching CNN.


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