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Pomp And Pageantry For First Day Of State Visit; Opposition To A U.K.-U.S. Trade Deal Under Trump; Queen Underscores Support For Post-War International Institutions; Marking 30 Years Since Tiananmen Square Massacre; Chinese Government Defends Tiananmen Square Crackdown; Sources Reveal Fate of Two North Korean Envoys. Aired 1-2a ET

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[01:00:00] JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: First came the pageantry, now comes the protest. Huge numbers expected to take to the streets to demonstrate against Donald Trump's state visit to the U.K. 30 years since Beijing's government ordered the military to murder unarmed pro-democracy demonstrators. A new generation has grown up knowing little details of what happened in Tiananmen Square.

Plus it's over. The guy who changed away Jeopardy is played ends just shy of the all-time money-winning record. Hello, welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world, great to have you with us. I'm John Vause, this is CNN NEWSROOM.

Well, after a pageantry, the second day of the U.S. President state visit to the U.K. will shift to politics. Donald Trump will meet with Prime Minister Theresa May as well as business leaders. Talks are expected to focus on his push for abound China's Huawei from 5G networks as well as a free trade deal post-Brexit.

Meantime major protests are expected in the capital the Trump baby balloon will make a comeback and thousands of environmental activist, women's rights, and anti-racism demonstrators expected to join a so- called Carnival of resistance in Central London.

The day will be a clear contrast from the royal welcome that President Trump received on Monday. Here's a look at the day's events.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: President Donald Trump has just arrived at Stansted Airport in London for his three-day state visit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Standing at the top of the steps there, President Trump is going to be greeted at the bottom of that staircase by dignitaries called the from Britain and United States.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're about to land and bring him, chopper him over to Buckingham Palace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It touches down. The Prince of Wales said they'll be receiving him off the helicopter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are now all greeting each other warmly shaking hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there she is the Queen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that handshake there represents the official opening of this state visit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So 241 gun salutes and then a series of other solutes from around the city

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is about two countries coming together shoulder to shoulder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Trump and the Prince of Wales reviewing the Grenadier Guards outside Buckingham Palace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What they try to do here is really celebrate those U.S. ties.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He also really values the military symbolism of all of this too. I think President Trump is -- he speaks a lot about his support of the U.S. military but I think he also likes the ceremony of it, the formality of it. And you can see him really standing tall and being solemn in the moments where he needs to be solemn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can tell you that she's given a book, a Churchill book to President Trump. It's The Second World War by Winston Churchill, a British version, first edition. So he's a big fan of Churchill and Churchill was actually the Queen's first prime minister would you believe all those years ago when she was just in her 20s. Separately they are viewing artifacts from the Royal Collection which refer to the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The President in the First Lady at Westminster Abbey, an official visit. They just laid a wreath at the grave of the Unknown Warrior remembering all who died in the First World War.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What we're seeing is the entrance to the official banquet room. This is a -- and you see her Majesty the Queen there.

QUEEN ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: Tonight we celebrate an alliance that has helped to ensure the safety and prosperity of both our peoples for decades in which I believe will endure for many years to come.


VAUSE: We do pageantry like the British. Back with us CNN's International Diplomatic Editor Nic Robertson. He's in London. And we have CNN's European Affairs Commentator Dominic Thomas in Los Angeles also with us. Nic, first to you. You know, the real business is that you know, that

Trump will be there for these trade talks among other things but this a new level of scrutiny on these talks mainly because of the comments made over the weekend by the U.S. Ambassador. Listen to this.


ANDREW MARR, BRITISH TALK SHOW HOST: Lots of people are worried that a big free trade deal with America means American pharmaceutical and medical corporations getting a slice of the NHS.

WOODY JOHNSON, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO U.K.: I don't -- I don't think they'd be put in any particular position regarding that. And your national health care service is the pride of the country and you have that highly emotionally charged issue.

[01:05:06] MARR: Do you think that -- do you think that health care has to be part of the deal?

JOHNSON: I think probably the you know, the entire economy would in a trade deal, all things that are traded, would be on the table.

MARR: Which includes health care.

JOHNSON: I would think so.


VAUSE: And since that, Nic, we've had the Prime Minister who wouldn't say if the medical sector would be on or off the table. He's kind of dodged the issue. Number ten later issued a statement saying you know, it would be protected. But given you know, Britain has such a little leverage in these talks, it may not have any choice here.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, this is what the critics of Brexit say that if you remain in part of the European Union, then you're a block of 500 million people, 28 countries, that you're much stronger trading together. Although the United States and Britain have very strong trading relationships.

You know, the sort of -- United States is the biggest business partner of Britain at the moment. It does raise very difficult concerns and concerns about health service is a really touchstone issue for British people.

When Theresa may meets along with President Trump with those CEOs this morning, there'll be five from five companies, U.S. companies represented five leading British companies represented. You will have Barclays, you have JPMorgan, you'll have Goldman Sachs, British Aerospace Systems, but you'll also have GlaxoSmithKline in there as well.

So you know, it's not lost on anyone in this country that the health care system in Britain is something that's free at the point of service, that people count on this. And in the United States you have to pay substantial fees for your health care. And of course, that's not something people in Britain wants.

So this issue and the other sort of inequities of trying to do having a trade relationship in the United States, a much bigger more powerful country with much more leverage over the U.K. is a concern. No doubt some of those will be expressed this morning but really with such a long way from any kind of a trade deal it's impossible to imagine what one might actually look like.

People who are involved in these sorts of negotiations explain that they take years and years and years to put in place but it's just this sort of issue about the health service that really worries people here, John.

VAUSE: And Dominic, you know, the British may grumble without long waiting lines to some services but the NHS is a treasured institution. So you know, we know it's a fair way off but what would be the political fallout for any government (INAUDIBLE) that open up the NHS to the American healthcare industry?

DOMINIC THOMAS, CNN EUROPEAN AFFAIRS COMMENTATOR: I mean, the fallout would be you know absolutely massive. I mean this is an absolute success story, a post Second World War a story that saw the delivery of health care to all U.K. residents paid for through taxation. And we saw the role that the discussions around the NHS played in all the misinformation and lies around Brexit, the funds that would be recuperated from the European Union and so on.

And so the prospect and the unanticipated and risks of a no deal Brexit or the -- of a badly negotiated Brexit and the possibility of a trade deal with the United States that would lead to an intervention in the health care market given the fact of the cost of health care in the United States and the nefarious role that pharmaceutical companies play in controlling that would be of enormous concern to people in Britain. And no government would survive tinkering with that.

VAUSE: And Nic, to you in London. Theresa May said this state visit that she dangled out for Donald Trump would further strengthen the special relationship. The question is how is this actually working out. Here's part of an editorial from the Washington Post.

What's clear is that the special relationship is under the same strain as other foundations of the Western liberal order buffeted by the Trump presidency. Most likely it will survive given the powerful cultural and economic bonds between the two countries and the enduring overlap of their security interests. But this week will be remembered as a low point.

So given that Theresa May will not be there by the end of the week as Prime Minister or should be out by the end of week, wasn't an option to delay or may be put on hold this trip just indefinitely?

ROBERTSON: You know, this was something that Theresa May herself had conveyed the invitation. She remember she was the first world leader that went to visit President Trump after his inauguration and she said right there you should come to Britain for a state visit. This is an invitation for a state visit. So it was sort of on her watch to a degree. She had not wanted to go as soon as she's gone. I think she'd hoped to hold on for longer, try to get one more -- try to get a vote one more time on the withdrawal agreement bill. That obviously didn't happen. But if this all -- this visit is also tied in to the Queen schedule, is also tied in to the fact that this is the 75th anniversary of the D-day landings. This will be something that President Trump will be attending on Thursday in Normandy.

So this -- you know, there's -- there are a lot of factors which really seem to you know, not to allow it to work into the calendar remembering that last year when President Trump came there were aspirations at that visit in the -- in the early July would be a state visit. Again, it was a scheduling issue that turned it ultimately into a working visit.

[01:10:24] VAUSE: And Dominic, what was the calculation here by Prime Minister May? What did she think she could get from Trump in return for the cannon salute and the lavish state banquet with all the bells and whistles, and what could only be the price paid by the U.K. if this all goes badly?

THOMAS: Well, I think what she thought at the time is that she would still be Prime Minister. And so that obviously didn't work out. And the fact that she is now stepping down, the whole narrative early on when she took over from David Cameron, was that in order to convince people that the-- that the Brexit now the referendum had voted on was the possibility of the United Kingdom striking these trade deals around the world that would restore the U.K. to the sort of global status that it supposedly had lost by being a member of the European Union.

And so that is the narrative. And of course as we see now as May is stepping down, President Trump is aware of that, is aware of the importance of that particular narrative. And as he is pushing for his own geopolitical geostrategic interest, these Brexiters, he also knows that these are the kinds of arguments that are going to be made by the next prime minister.

And so, therefore, speaking about this is important and reminds us of this grand narrative, a Brexit that these trade deals were so absolutely key should they managed to extricate themselves from the European Union.

VAUSE: And Nic, you know, highlight so far has been that state banquet which was hosted by Queen Elizabeth, some have picked up on the language used by Her Majesty during the toast to Donald Trump. Here's part of it.


QUEEN ELIZABETH: After the shared sacrifices of the Second World War, Britain and the United States works with other allies to build an assembly of international institutions to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated. While the world has changed, we are forever mindful of the original purpose of these structures, nations working together to safeguard a hard-won peace.


VAUSE: Shared sacrifices, working together, building international institutions. The very opposite it would seem to Trump's doctrine of America first.

ROBERTSON: And that certainly seems to be what the Queen is getting at there. I mean, it's not lost on anyone that this is the issue that causes most concern around the world, at least among European leaders that President Trump wants to break up the established world order, that he's a disruptor, that he doesn't like multi-national multilateral institutions, that this is something that you know, in his presidency, and he's been in office now for two-and-a-half years, he was doing his best to change that order.

And the sense here is in Britain and in the rest of Europe that these are the institutions that stood the world in good stead, that built the economy that gave seven decades of peace and prosperity and security. And these were the buttresses against the forces of populism and nationalism that people are concerned about that are on the rise right now.

These are the issues that people would point to President Trump as being a harbinger of as well. So this really does feel like the Queen putting her point forward. And I think people often question what's the value of a state banquet, what's the value of getting the Queen in the same room as President Trump, and the opportunities come in speeches and in moments like that.

And this I think is where we see the Queen delivering on what she believes the values are, remembering that she grew up in Europe and has seen the horrors of war.

VAUSE: Well, Donald Trump seems to be having a good time at least on day one. At one point he tweeted out tremendous crowds of well- wishers and people that loved our country. I haven't seen any protest yet but I'm sure the fake news will be working hard to find them.

Well, Dominic, you know, Trump was basically leapfrogging around on Marine One from location to location. So you now, he's in a helicopter. Where do you see these tremendous crowd of well-wishers? Because there's one protest group reminded everyone the U.S. President has a 21 percent approval rating in the U.K. compared to Barack Obama 72 percent, numbers which they projected onto London landmarks just so no one missed the point. This is not a popular president in the U.K.

THOMAS: No it's not. And one has to ask why and I'm not sure what you know, the diagnosis is but the word delusional you know, comes to mind. The fact is that the supporters are not there. People are upset of course with the -- with his entire presidency, what he represents, the way in which he provides oxygen to these far-right nationalist political parties that approved extraordinarily device not just in Europe but in terms of unsettling the global order and liberal Democratic values. [01:15:15] He's an equal opportunity abuser that has been insulting the mayor of London, for years, now, who has insulted a member of the Royal Family, and also, has been weighing in, in terms of the Brexit debate, and supporting, not just Boris Johnson, who is himself a divisive figure, but also Nigel Farage, the leader of the Brexit Party.

And let's not forget, the fact, that this Brexit debate has proved so extraordinarily divisive in Britain now. Yet, another prime minister has had to step down because of this. And people are, I think, quite justified in being upset with President Trump and wondering why this state visit has gone ahead.

VAUSE: Yes. It was so long, the coming, I guess, it was on the calendar, and everyone was committed, as we ought to cover it, and you'll see it all here on CNN. But, in the meantime, Dominic, in Los Angeles, and Nic there, in London, we appreciate you both being with us. Thank you.

Still to come, remembering a massacre, being erased from history, 30 years since Beijing ordered its military to open fire on pro-democracy demonstrators. An entire generation knows almost nothing about that Tiananmen Square crackdown.

And reports of his death were greatly exaggerated. North Korea's lead nuclear negotiator reappears in public, and CNN has exclusive details about why now, as well as the price he's paid for a failed nuclear summit with the U.S.


VAUSE: Back in 1989, democracy was spreading like a wave across Europe and the Soviet Union. That wave stopped in China, specifically, Tiananmen Square. June 4th, 1989, thousands of protestors gathered in the Square to demand freedom and democracy.

Instead, the government ordered a massacre, sending armed troops, open firing and killing an unknown number of demonstrators. The day was personified by Tank Man, he stood in front of a column of tanks, forcing them to turn back.

Three decades on, the Communist Party still has an iron grip on power. There is economic opportunity like never before, but democracy and civil rights remain far out of reach. Matt Rivers joins us now from Beijing. And Matt, this is a day, few people actually remember there, in Beijing, and it seems even fewer will remember going forward.

MATT RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely, John, and it's really exemplified by the fact that, you know, right just there behind me (INAUDIBLE) area called (INAUDIBLE) in Beijing. And you can't really see it on the other side of the trees. We can't get too close because we think we might be harassed by security forces.

[01:20:11] But that, over there, is where a huge amount of the killings that took place during the Tiananmen Square massacre, that's where it happened. And yet, today, looks like a normal day. There are no memorials. There's no mention of all the people that were killed here. It's just people going about their business, and that's exactly the way China's government wants it.


RIVERS: Thirty years later, it's an event most remembered by the lasting images it produced. Tiananmen Square, packed for weeks, with demonstrators calling for a more democratic government. And on surrounding streets, the subsequent chaos and violence, the fires, the tanks, the gunshots, hundreds, if not thousands, were killed, as the government sent in troops to shut down the protests.

An official death toll was never released. For those who are there on June 4th, 1989, the memories remain fresh.

Every now and then, these three get together, in Beijing. They all protested in Tiananmen, and spent about 15 years in prison, because of it. It has come to define the remainder of their lives, and yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Average people in China only have a very basic awareness of what happened.

RIVERS: China wants you and the rest of the world to forget that anything bad happened here, to erase the protests and the violence, from the history books.

School children are not thought about it. It's not mentioned in their textbooks. There are no memorials to remember those who died. On Chinese internet, anything about the pro-democracy protest is censored. For all the witnesses, all the horrific pictures, China's government pretends a seminal event of the 20th century didn't exist.

China's defence minister recently defended the military's response, in 1989, saying the protests were a political turmoil that needed to be quelled, and the military response was the correct policy.

FANG ZHENG PROTESTED IN TIANANMEN SQUARE (through translator): Once they mentioned it, it's very possible that the legitimacy of the regime will be threatened.

RIVERS: Fang Zheng protested in the Square, and spoke to us in Taiwan. He lost his legs after being run over by a tank. He says China's ruling Communist Party wants to stay in power more than anything else. And talking about what happened could undermine the Chinese public's confidence in party leaders. Erasing a government atrocity from history is in its interest.

ZHENG (through translator): And in recent years, under the rule of President Xi Jinping, the political situation has become harsher.

RIVERS: Fang and other critics say not talking about what happened in Tiananmen is right in line with the increased oppression in China, recently, things, we reported on, hundreds of human rights lawyers arrested, extra judicial imprisonment of dissidents, increase censorship of the media and the internet, the mass detention of ethnic Muslim minorities. China denies all of that, but they are all things designed to exert control and quash dissent, don by agreement, critics say, whose biggest fear is a repeat of what happened in 1989. Many in the west thought China would democratize after what happened in Tiananmen Square. It didn't.

Perhaps, the most well-known scene from the events of 30 years ago, is this, a man, alone, standing in front of a column of military tanks, trying to stop their advance. He's paid homage right now at this exhibit in Taiwan. We filmed it last week. And as we did so, a Chinese tourist came up to us, and asked, who is that?


RIVERS: And John, of course, China's government doesn't want us talking about this during our story that was just airing. That police officer right there, if you can pan there, Natalie, and show that individual. He came over and wants us to leave. He wouldn't tell us why, and that's pretty standard.

But beyond just that, I can tell you that CNN International signal, right here, right now, in Mainland China, is being cut by government sensors. And if you try to get on in Mainland China, you wouldn't be able to do that today, presumably because our top story on that website is about Tiananmen Square.

And so, these are just some of the efforts that China's government goes to, to try and get people to not talk about this. But it's not just about us. It's far more about the Chinese public and their lack of access to quality information about one of the most important time periods in this country's modern history. John?

VAUSE: You know, Matt, 10 years ago, when I was there, we actually be in the Square, they blocked us with some umbrellas. It was ridiculous. But, at least, we are in the Square (INAUDIBLE) two kilometers away which is an indication of how they've, sort of, the backsliding, I guess, if you like, on these kind of rights, like freedom of the press and that kind of stuff.

But, Matt, we appreciate the reporting. Let us know if they arrest you, OK? We'll send someone for you. Matt Rivers, live for us, in Beijing.

RIVERS: Thank you. Appreciate it.

[01:25:03] VAUSE: You're welcome. OK, exclusive new details now about the fate of two high-level North Korean diplomats, punished, after the failed Hanoi summit in February. Sources tell CNN, former spy chief, Kim Yong-chol, has been stripped of his authority.

He was the lead nuclear negotiator with the U.S. Experts say he likely has been blamed for the failed summit with the U.S. President Donald Trump. State newspaper ran this photo, over the weekend, to refute a South Korean report that Kim Yong-chol we sent to a forced labor camp. CNN also learning another top envoy, Kim Hyuk-chul, was not executed as reported, but has actually been detained. CNN's Will Ripley, who has reported from North Korea on 19 separate trips, working in sources on this story, he joins us now live from Hong Kong.

This is complicated. There's a lot of, sort of, back and forth, you know, what's happened, what hasn't happened, so just walk us through what we know and what do we not know?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We've been asking a lot of questions since that initial report in South Korea, late last week, claiming that Kim Hyuk-chul had been executed back in March. But source after source was not able to confirm that information.

And what I have learned within the last few hours, from several sources, is that Kim Hyuk-chul is, in fact, still alive. He is under investigation for his role in the failure of the summit talks in Hanoi.

Obviously, the embarrassment, the lack of a deal, was incredibly upsetting to the North Korean leader who traveled all the way there, all but certain, that he would come back with sanctions relief and some sort of a signed agreement with President Trump. When that didn't happen, it became clear that people were going to have to pay.

But the South Korean reports that Kim Hyuk-chul was executed as a result of that summit result. According to one source that I spoke with, he said that news was just wrong. Kim Hyuk-chul is still alive, and his punishment has yet to be determined.

Now, as for the other key player here, the North Korea's ex spy master, Kim Yong-chol, he reappeared over the weekend in that photo, sitting about five seats away from Kim Jong-un at an art performance in Pyongyang. He was reported in South Korea to be serving a sentence of hard labor. But my sources have told me that's not correct.

We have heard, again, from several sources, that in fact, he was essentially kept in his office for a number of weeks, forced to sit in silence and write sentences of self-criticism. And perhaps part of the reason why he was trotted out in front the cameras over the weekend was to prove that Kim Jong-un did not execute these people, did not send them to labor camps.

Instead, the punishment was essentially, he is stripped of his power, much of his power, sources say, and forced to endure that so much humiliating task of having to spend weeks, essentially locked in his office, reflecting on all of the mistakes that he is accused to have made.

Now, there were other key members of the negotiating team, including a translator, and another negotiator, who are also reportedly in custody and under investigation right now. But no executions, according to my sources, as a result of the epic failure of those break down of talks in Hanoi, John.

VAUSE: Will, a complicated story. We're glad you're on it. Thank you for the update. Well, there's been pomp and pageantry, but President Trump's state visit to the U.K. has also been mocked, not unexpectedly, with controversy, of his own making, before he even touched down in London.

Just how different is this trip by Donald Trump, compared with other presidents? We compare when we come back.


[01:30:48] VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. Thanks for staying with us.

I'm John Vause with an update of this hour's top news.

North Korea would like everyone to know its top nuclear negotiator is still alive. Experts believe Kim Yong-chol was blamed for the failed Hanoi summit with the U.S. President Donald Trump. Sources now tell CNN, he has been stripped of almost all of his authority. Those sources also say another senior envoy to the U.S. is also still alive even though a South Korean newspaper reported his execution.

Three decades have now passed, since the bloody crackdown in central Beijing that shocked the world. And now Beijing is defending its actions. State run newspaper calls the massacre a vaccination that protected the country from future political turmoil.

A palace banquet capped the first day of Donald Trump's State visit to the U.S. Before toasting the U.S. President, Queen Elizabeth reiterated her support for post war international institutions, organizations which Mr. Trump has disdained. The royal pageantry will give way to politics Tuesday when the President meets with Prime Minister Theresa May.

When Air Force One touched down at Stansted Airport north of London on Monday, 8:56 a.m. local time, there was no mistaking the world's most powerful man had arrived. The Boeing 747, and its hand-polished blue, white and silver design is one of the most recognizable symbols of the American presidency -- a projection of U.S. Military and economic might.

Five minutes before wheels down, the 45th president of the United States was insulting the mayor of London via Twitter calling Sadiq Khan a stone cold loser who's being foolish and nasty, done a terrible job as mayor, and was short. Two days earlier, Khan had written an op-ed for "The Guardian" critical of Trump's state visit.

From Stansted, the President flew on Marine One to London and a the plane to London, and a formal greeting at Buckingham Palace. But even before lunch with Queen Elizabeth, Donald Trump waded into the race to replace Theresa May as Prime Minister, referred to Meghan Markle, the Duchess of Sussex, as nasty, and complained about CNN's coverage of his trip. All before lunch.

And in true British style, all this went unmentioned by the President's host, at least in public. Prompting this compliment later in the day from Donald Trump. "The queen and the entire royal family have been fantastic."

It's hard to remember another U.S. President who had so much to say publicly about the domestic politics of another country. Be it backing Boris Johnson in the leadership battle for the British Conservative Party, or voicing support for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu and his failed efforts to form a coalition government. And there is a very good reason why past presidents have at least publicly mostly stayed silent.

And CNN national security analyst Samantha Vinograd who was an advisor to President Barack Obama, is here to tell us why. So Sam explain how this stuff used to work and why.

SAMANTHA VINOGRAD, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well historically, U.S. Presidents have been focused on governing their own countries and winning their own campaigns that they haven't wanted to devote time to interfering in other countries' elections.

At the same time, we are not sure who's going to win these elections. And President Trump, for example, coming out in favor of Benjamin Netanyahu, could position him in a difficulties space if Benjamin Netanyahu is not Israel's next prime minister.

And at the most basic level, John, U.S. presidents and U.S. government officials have respected the sovereignty of foreign countries that included their political systems. So whether it's not supporting regime change or not endorsing a particular candidate, we have supported the will of people, of domestic constituencies in foreign countries to elect leaders without foreign influence.

Trump has left that by the wayside and has expressed his views on everything from candidates in the United Kingdom to Israel to state races here in the United States. And I guess I shouldn't be overly surprise. He is seemingly ok with Russia interfering in U.S. elections as long as it helps him. So throwing his weight behind candidates abroad doesn't come as much of a surprise for that reason.

VAUSE: You know, in that tweet insulting the mayor of London, Trump also laid into the into the mayor of New York, who's among the Democratic field running for 2020. So amid all that controversy in Tokyo last month, while he was on a state visit there, when he went after Joe Biden, who's also running for the nomination. This President sees no need to change his behavior.

[01:34:58] VINOGRAD: He doesn't but I'm kind of scratching my head here and thinking when exactly did President Trump do any prep for this visit? We've mentioned everything he did before arriving in the U.K.

I have been on Air Force One. It's great. But part of what you do before you land on foreign soil is prep the President for the meetings that he's going to have. That's a time intensive process. You have to go through the schedule of events. You have to go through protocol, of course. And typically you go through substance.

What it doesn't involve is a President kind of mad-tweeting from 50,000 feet, watching television and criticizing officials both in the United States and in the country that he's visiting. He has clearly no work to prepare for this visit and is focused on the 2020 race. While again interfering in the race for Britain's next prime minister.

VAUSE: You know, over the weekend, President Trump hinted that he might meet with the man who is probably the most famous face of the Brexit campaign -- Nigel Farage. This is what he said before.


TRUMP: Well, I may meet with him. He has been a friend of mine. He's been very nice. I have a very good relationship with him. I have a good relationship with Nigel Farage, with many people over there, we will see what happens. But I may meet with him. They want to meet. We will see what happens.


VAUSE: the first part of that sound bite was about a meeting he could have with Boris Johnson, who's the leading candidate to replace Theresa May.

Sources have told CNN that British officials are working feverishly to prevent these meetings from taking place. So from what you know about how these meetings work, you know, what level of chaos and concern and stress and anxiety is happening behind the scenes? Especially at Number 10. And with the White House officials who are trying to, you know, probably with the President trying to stop these meetings from happening.

VINOGRAD: By the way, the schedule is typically worked out weeks in advance before the President touches down on foreign soil. Obviously, this is somewhat of a different case, because Theresa May is the outgoing prime minister, but there is not often large spaces on the President's calendar that he can fill in with British politicians and other candidates for prime minister.

And I would imagine that White House staffers, the staffers at Number 10 are e-mailing back and forth trying to figure out when and where this meeting could happen. But Theresa May does not really have a strong foundation to argue from at this point. She can ostensibly say that this would be detrimental, it would be a distraction, and it would be unwelcome. But she is going out the door. And President Trump is likely going to listen to, I don't know whatever voice in his head tells him that he should spend time with another far-right leader, and frankly leaders that compliment him.

He is entering -- he's in the U.K. There are mass protests planned for tomorrow. So what is he most likely to do? Spend time with someone or some ones like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson who compliment him, who see eye to eye with him on various policies. That will make him feel better while the Baby Trump balloon is rolling down the street and it's very clear just how unwelcome he is in the United Kingdom.

VAUSE: Well, it is surprising but Donald Trump is only the third U.S. President to be given an official state visit to the U.K. with Queen Elizabeth as head of state. There were two others -- George W. Bush as well as Barack Obama.

You were one of the advisers for Barack Obama who infamously spoke over the national anthem and toasted the Queen at the wrong time. And here is a reminder of that moment.


BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To Her Majesty, The Queen. To the vitality of the special relationship between our peoples. And in the words of Shakespeare, to this blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England. To the Queen.


VAUSE: You know, it's a cringing moment but there's a big difference between a faux pas or a breach of protocol and what we're seeing from the current U.S. president.

VINOGRAD: If only a gaffe that was the worst thing that President Trump did while on the ground in the United Kingdom or the worst thing that he did it against the British people during his time in office. I mean you think back to his retweets of anti Muslim content. You think back to his comments after terrorist attacks in London. And you think back to the auto tariffs and the tariffs he's put on Europe, the comments he's made about NATO.

I mean the list is endless. Let us have a toast at the wrong time rather than this president who put such a strain on our relationship with our closest ally. I think we would sleep a lot better at night if there was an errant toast rather than President Trump as president.

VAUSE: Yes. The special relationship certainly is facing some strain these days.

Samantha -- good to see you. Thank you.

VINOGRAD: Thanks -- John.

VAUSE: The latest from Sudan After the break where the fall of a dictator has not meant an end to deadly violence carried out by security forces against peaceful protesters.

Also, a Himalayan expedition now appears to have ended in disaster -- the latest on the search for eight missing climbers.


VAUSE: Protesters in Sudan are counting their dead after a brutal crackdown by security forces. One doctors' group says at least 36 people were killed when troops attacked demonstrators on Monday.

The country's de facto military leader says the violence is regrettable. He is calling for elections within nine months.

CNN's David McKenzie has more now on the bloodshed. The story comes with a warning -- some of the images in his report are graphic.


DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A new day in Sudan's dangerous impasse ushered in by gunfire and screams. The brutality streamed live on social media by protesters who for weeks had peacefully demanded civilian rule. Now desperately recording the security forces' deadly response.

"They killed someone, they killed someone." The man filming shouts, a civilian lies unresponsive. In the chaos, the cameraman flees for his life. Witnesses in opposition groups tell CNN that the paramilitary rapid security force led the crackdown.

In this video filmed by a witness you see a car stopped by security forces, the occupants inside beaten mercilessly. Despite these images, Sudan's transitional military counsel claimed that they did not disperse the sit-in by force.

The council has been negotiating with opposition groups for weeks. Since Sudan's long-time strongman Omar al-Bashir was ousted in mid- April, the biggest sticking point what role citizens will have in leading the country forward.

In the face of such violence opposition groups have suspended those talks, calling for a nationwide strike and more defiance. In the capital city's hospitals full of the wounded hope for a peaceful proletarian agreement replaced.

"They try to frighten us with bullets," one injured man is heard saying. "We need leadership. We need leadership. The peace has ended now after this bitterness."

Among those killed, an eight-year-old child according, to a doctors' group. They say more than 100 injured are crammed into city hospitals -- some with gunshot wounds, others badly beaten. It is feared the death toll will rise.

David McKenzie, CNN.


VAUSE: A search team in the Indian Himalayas has located five bodies, diminishing hopes that eight missing climbers will be found alive. And officials says they're confident climbers are buried under the snow near one of India's highest mountains after being caught in an avalanche.

They were part of a 12-person expedition hoping to scale the summit of Nanda Devi East. Facebook posts show they had tried to reach a different peak, perhaps without permission.

[01:45:01] CNN's Nikhil Kumar, live in New Delhi this hour. So what more do we know about these rescue effort which maybe sadly be turning to a recovery. NIKHIL KUMAR, CNN NEW DELHI BUREAU CHIEF: That is exactly right --

John. The official we spoke to earlier today who's on the ground at the base camp at Nanda Devi East -- the official base say that yes, now the operation is changing into one focus very much recovering and that's visit,

That is exactly. Right the official we spoke to yesterday, he was on the ground at the base camp. The official visit, has, now the operation is changing into one focused very much on recovery. And that is of course after a chopper that went up on Monday morning and took photographs. And in those photographs, officials have identified five bodies. They don't know who there but they are quite confident that these are the bodies of at least five of those eight missing climbers.

They say that the others are also believed to be buried under the snow in this avalanche, described as a very huge massive avalanche by the officials on the ground there.

Now the focus is on getting the ground teams, the yellow operations have. And now the focus is getting the grounds teams, which are on Nanda Devi East, to the site of this avalanche.

And it happened on an unnamed peak near Nanda Devi East. This is an unnamed peak where these eight climbers ventured. Officials say, they didn't seek permission to go there and that had they asked for permission there they would not have been granted.

The permission that the team of 12 had was just for Nanda Devi East itself. And the four climbers of that group of 12 were successfully able to return to base camp. They had only gone up Nanda Devi East. They didn't venture in the direction of this unnamed peak

So now the focus very much on getting the ground teams to the site. The complicating factor, John, is that there is concern about more avalanches. And they're concerned about the weather. For the past few days this area has been hit by rain, and strong winds. So they're still making an assessment to see when they come move the ground teams to this area -- John.

VAUSE: Nikhil (INAUDIBLE) -- but thank you. We appreciate it.

Nikhil Kumar there live for us in New Delhi.

Well, Northern India, dealing with a grueling heat wave. Temperatures have topped 50 degrees Celsius -- 122 degrees Fahrenheit. A number of deaths have been reported because of heat stroke.

Let's go to CNN meteorologist Pedram Javaheri. And Pedram there are fears that, you know, there would growing water shortages because one of the driest pre-monsoon seasons in decades. What more did we learn?

PEDRAM JAVAHERI, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Absolutely. It's a late start, too. Typically, you begins to see the monsoons, the onset of if across the southern tier of the subcontinent in the past couple of days. At this point the forecast puts it out about six days later than when it would start.

And when you're talking about extreme heat, such magnitude, 50 plus degrees, certainly every single day counts. And you notice, for this afternoon, heat warnings across the central reason -- on into the northwestern. For Wednesday, we see some of that heat indices and these temperatures drop farther towards the north. So at least some time there of a cooler trend in store across the region.

But want to show you exactly how things are playing out across this area. Over the next couple of days. And, really in the last couple of days, we have seen it climb up, as you said up to around 50 degrees. When you factor in the heat indices, well above that value. And two or one of the areas to the north sitting just shy of 49 but notice this. Delhi -- as high as 54. what it feels like when you factor in the humidity. Diamond Harbor sits there, which is in Calcutta area at this point to the south is 55. (INAUDIBLE) is 54. 57 -- that is 136 degrees Fahrenheit, but it feels like across tonight in the past 24 or so hours, certainly tremendous heat has been in place.

And as John alluded to, when it comes to heat stress, India well-known for large scale fatalities associated with extreme heat. You know, of course, a large percentage of the population works in the AG industry so you are outside quite a bit of time. And in 6000 related -- heat- related deaths have occurred since 2010 across India.

And John -- you know, notice, the heat continues, the monsoon begins -- you see the onset here as early as June 5. So some hope in sight there.

VAUSE: You know 50 degrees Celsius -- it's getting up to that level. It's just impossible to know just how awful and hot that could be in places.

Pedram -- thank you.

JAVAHERI: Thanks -- John.

VAUSE: Still to come, hoisted by his own petard. James Holzhauer finally met his match on TV's "Jeopardy" but not before rewriting the rules of how the venerable (ph) game show is played. That story is next.


VAUSE: In the end he was beaten at his own game. James Holzhauer won more money in record time than anyone else. He was on track to be the biggest money winner of all-time on "Jeopardy". Then along came Emma, a librarian from Chicago.

Here is CNN's Stephanie Elam.


STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): What is too small of a wager, Alex? ALEX TREBEK, HOST, "JEOPARDY!": Closest it's been in a while.

ELAM: If you're James Holzhauer, the answer is $1,399.

TREBEK: A modest one for the first time.

ELAM: Yep, Holzhauer, "Jeopardy's" king to the massive wager --

JAMES HOLZHAUER: All of the chips, please.

TREBEK: All of it.

ELAM: Put up only a fraction of his $23,400 pot when he entered Final Jeopardy in second place.

TREBEK: So, Emma, it's up to you. If you came up with the correct response, you're going to be the new "Jeopardy!" champion.

ELAM: All three contestants got the answer right. But Chicago librarian Emma Boettcher, who was in the lead, took a page out of Holzhauer's playbook and wagered a hefty bet. His only hope of winning his 33rd game hinged on her getting the question wrong.

TREBEK: What did you wager? Oh, gosh, $20,000. What a payday.

ELAM: Holzhauer took the loss like a champ, immediately giving the new champ a high five.

Since early April, "Jeopardy" fans watched to see if Holzhauer would break the non-tournament earnings record of $2,520,700 amassed by Ken Jennings in 2004.

HOLZHAUER: What is Mario?

TREBEK: Mario, yes.


HOLZHAUER: What is Miolyn (ph).

TREBEK: Right.

HOLZHAUER: What is New York?

TREBEK: That's the state.

ELAM: But chatter of Holzhauer's loss hit the Internet Sunday night as video of the end of the game was leaked online. Then he seemed to confirm the loss.

In response to CNN's Brian Stelter about "Jeopardy" reruns playing at a bar, Holzhauer tweeted, if it's a rerun, I probably got this.

TREBEK: We're going to say good-bye to James too.

ELAM: Of course it's not like Holzhauer's leaving empty handed. He solidified his place in the "Jeopardy" Hall of Fame with a string of single game earnings records and raked in a total of $2,462,216.

About his loss, Holzhauer told "The Naperville Sun," quote, I know I played my best and did everything I could, so I will hold my head up high.

But if any Holzhauer is happy about his loss, it might be the champ's daughter. He tweeted, my kid cried about the possibility of her dad losing, so I told her we could have a party the day after it inevitably happens. Now she cries when I win."

Time to party, Holzhauers.

Stephanie Elam, CNN -- Los Angeles.


VAUSE: Buzzy Cohen joins us now from Los Angeles. Buzzy is the 2017 "Jeopardy" tournament of champions winner. He knows a thing or two about the game.

Good to see you. Welcome back.


VAUSE: Ok. Holzhauer it seems beaten at his own game by Emma Boettcher. I want to show our audience. Here she is going all in on the Daily Double.



TREBEK: Answer -- Daily Double. Well now. Here's an opportunity for you. You have enough money to catch and pass James.

BOETTCHER: You know, I think I have to make it a true daily double.

TREBEK: All right. $13,200 -- here is the clue. It is home to the old annual United States sailboat show.

BOETTCHER: What is Annapolis?

TREBEK: That's right.


VAUSE: So, Holzhauer's reign of terror comes to an end. But is the game changed forever?

COHEN: Yes, I think so. I think we're going to see a lot more people trying to play his style -- super aggressive. There were people, like Emma, who can do it just as well as he can. And there are going to be a lot of people, probably more like me, who may not be able to play it quite as well as he can. But I will sure try.

VAUSE: Has it changed better? Or has it changed for the worse? How do you see it? Because it seems a lot more exciting.

COHEN; I think it is going to make for some really exciting games. If you look at the tournament of Champions finals that I was in, we all, in the last game, all of us went all in on the day the double. And it was a really exciting one. Lots of swinging scores, up and down.

So I think, as a, viewer it is going to be awesome. Especially if you're having people doing that, and they are not a player who's as dominant as James.

VAUSE: Well, despite not breaking the record for the all-time money winner, Holzhauer is still whole tower is still pretty heavy. I mean he walked away with $2 million dollars in all of this. So as that tape show went to air a few hours ago be twitted this, "Hello, I'd like to bet against myself on this pre-recorded TV show. Sounds legit. House limit, as much as you can fit on about. Reality, is he had lost actually a while ago. It was kept secret almost until the very end. Until that taped leak on Sunday night.

[01:55:04] But still what was it --really impressive. A lot of people kept quiet for a really long time.

COHEN: I kept quiet. I was on your show, and I knew.

VAUSE: Yes. Thanks.

COHEN: But, yes I mean even more amazing, than when he lost and people knowing it, I'm thinking about Emma walking around when he started airing, she had already taped and already knew that she beat him. So there is this whole media furor about how this sky can't be beat. And here she, is among us. Just having to watch it all. And just, you know, with this ace in their pocket.

VAUSE: The Giant slayer, the Jeopardy killer. There has been some talk though that that because his last bat was unusually low, shy of $1,400, his average wager on the daily double was nine grand, that he threw the game. Because you have, enough you wanted the break. As a Jeopardy expert, just looking at that purely as a bet in itself, anything suspicious about it -- was it the right amount of money, the right strategy, for that point in the game?

COHEN: That's 100 percent. That was the right path at that position. So he is in second place. You know that Emma is bat to cover double his score, plus a dollar. So even if he bets everything, and they both get it right, he is not going to win. So what he is betting on is Emma gets it wrong she's you know, got six grand left, what if the guy in third place bets It all right mom gets it wrong. She has six went left. What if they got in third place bets at all and gets it right?

So he is having to that cover if everybody gets it wrong. If James and Emma get it wrong, and the guy who came in third gets it right. James still wins., basically every situation other than everybody getting it right or just Emma getting at right, it works out for James. So that was 100 percent to write that. VAUSE: Does Emma have what it takes to go on? What can you tell us?

COHEN: I can't tell you anything. That's how the game works. But I am excited to see her play tomorrow. She plays awesome. She had no wrong answers. She made very smart bets. All in, daily double, was exactly the right move. And later in the game, she played a little more conservatively. Which I was not mad at. I, mean I may have gone a little bit bigger. But I also think she was in a really great position. And she just played it tight. Which was not wrong. Clearly.

VAUSE: Yes. She won. Buzzy -- we're out of time but thank. You so much for coming back. We appreciate it.

COHEN: Yes, anytime.

VAUSE: Talk to you soon, hopefully. ok.

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