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President Trump's Day Two In The United Kingdom; Missing North Korean Official Seen In State Media Photo; Thirty-Five People Killed in Sudan's Violence; Emmanuel Aranda Gets 19 Years After Mall Of America Balcony Toss. Five Bodies Seen In Himalayas In Search For Missing Climbers; Scorching Temperatures Hit 50 Degrees Celsius In India; James Holzhauer's "Jeopardy!" Winning Streak Is Over. Aired 2- 3a ET
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ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Hello, everyone, thanks for joining us, I'm Rosemary Church, you're watching CNN NEWSROOM.
Ahead this hour Britain gives Donald Trump the royal welcome but it could be a far different scene during the U.S. president's second day in the U.K.
Plus bloody violence on the streets of Sudan after the military opens fire on opposition protesters.
Also ahead 30 years since the day that changed China, one Beijing wants the world to forget.
CHURCH: Well, royal pageantry will give way to politics on the second day of the U.S. president's state visit to the United Kingdom. Donald Trump will meet with prime minister Theresa May just days before she steps down.
Their talks are expected to focus on a free trade deal post Brexit as well as Mr. Trump's push for a ban on China's Huawei from 5G networks.
Meantime, major protests are expected in London, the Trump baby balloon will fly overhead while thousands of demonstrators gather for a so-called carnival of resistance. It will be a marked difference from the royal welcome the president received Monday. Pamela Brown has our report.
PAMELA BROWN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight, President Trump raising a glass and delivering a toast from the Buckingham Palace ballroom. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I offer a toast to the eternal friendship of our people, the vitality of our nations and to the long-cherished and truly remarkable reign of Her Majesty, the Queen.
BROWN (voice-over): Every detail of this lavish white tie affair personally approved by Queen Elizabeth, including a menu that's been in the works for six months.
ELIZABETH I, QUEEN OF ENGLAND: Tonight we celebrate an alliance that has helped to ensure the safety and prosperity of both our peoples for decades and which I believe will endure for many years to come.
BROWN (voice-over): Tonight's main event, capping off a busy first day at the president's long-awaited state visit to the United Kingdom. The elaborate displays of hospitality towards Mr. Trump and the first lady started early, including a private lunch with the queen, inspecting the honor guard, a tour of Westminster Abbey and tea with Prince Charles.
President Trump, for the most part, now respecting royal protocol, despite throwing diplomatic and political protocol out the window ahead of his visit. The president making waves by criticizing London's mayor, Sadiq Khan, as a, quote, "stone-cold loser," just minutes before Air Force One touched down in his city.
The insulting tweet apparently in response to an explosive op-ed written by the mayor, describing Trump as, quote, "one of the most egregious examples of a growing global threat."
And in a separate controversy, Mr. Trump in an interview described Meghan Markle, now the Duchess of Sussex, as "nasty" after learning she once said she would move to Canada if Trump were ever elected.
Trump tweeting Sunday morning, "I never called Meghan Markle nasty," despite audio of the interview that would suggest otherwise.
TRUMP: I didn't know that she was nasty.
BROWN (voice-over): The trip happening as the U.K. faces its own issues in leadership amid their Brexit vote to leave the European Union. The president set to meet with the exiting prime minister Theresa May tomorrow, who is stepping aside on Friday, the country not knowing who their next leader will be.
Boris Johnson is a contender to take over and President Trump says he's a fan.
TRUMP: Well, I may meet with him. He's been a friend of mine, he's been very nice. I have a very good relationship with him.
CHURCH: And that was Pamela Brown reporting there.
CNN international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson joins us now from London.
Good to see you, Nic. So day one of President Trump's first day visit to the U.K. full of pomp and circumstance as we saw there. Day two he gets down to business and trade talks with Theresa May and critics suggest that this can only --
CHURCH: -- be a bad trade deal for the U.K., what are you hearing about that?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Well, there is a sense here in Britain, particularly over the weekend as the issue was raised, would as part of a future trade deal with the United States, Britain's national health service, the free health care service that people get in the U.K., would that be open to the trade negotiations and the answer seems to be yes.
That is something that has people concerned here. The prime minister, President Trump this morning will be jointly hosting a meeting of the five major companies for the U.S., the CEOs will be there, people like Lockheed Martin, British Aerospace, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and few other companies as well, GlaxoSmithKline to name just one of the pharmaceutical companies who will be there.
But it will be about expanding the trade cooperation between the countries, that is what Theresa May will be pushing at that meeting. What will get discussed later behind closed doors here about trade could potentially be of broader concern.
There are a lot of people in Britain that feel that Britain outside of the European Union is in a weaker position to do trade with the U.S. and that the U.S. will have a lot of leverage over Britain to gain access to things like their health service. That would be a concern here.
CHURCH: We will keep an eye on what happens in those talks.
Also how is President Trump's state visit going so far?
And how is he likely to deal with the upcoming protests that are planned today across London?
ROBERTSON: You know, I think the general perception is that President Trump has handled this very well so far; remembering when he was here last summer in that working visit. He did meet with the queen and there was perceived faux pas when he stood in front of the queen.
But none of that this time. He seems to be on his best behavior, attentive, rising to the occasion. The queen did have a direct message for President Trump in her speech last night, talking about the importance of multilateral, multinational institutions that brought peace, security and stability to the world.
So President Trump when he moves around this city generally moves by helicopter, he will be moving some parts by vehicle and hey may have a chance to see those protests and supporters on the street.
But my perception of what I saw yesterday outside Buckingham Palace was there were not very big numbers and remembering that President Trump has been here before, that protesters had an opportunity to come out in huge numbers in protests before last year.
That said, also the leader of the opposition will be at one of the big protest demonstration, giving a speech. So it is a political opportunity for the parties here as well to score points against Theresa May's party.
CHURCH: Indeed, our Nic Robertson joining us, we will chat with you next hour. Many thanks.
Well, political analyst James Boys joins us from London.
Thank you so much for being here. And we do want to start by listening to the queen's toast to the U.S. president, we heard Nic touch on it there. She talks about the importance of traditional allies and postwar international institutions, let's just listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF ENGLAND: After the shared sacrifices of the Second World War, Britain and the United States worked with other allies to build an assembly of international institutions, to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated.
While the world has changed, we are forever mindful of the original purpose of these structures, nations working together to safeguard a hard-won peace.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CHURCH: James, was the queen sending a diplomatic message to the U.S. president, to remember traditional allies and not to forsake them, as some critics have suggested he is doing?
JAMES BOYS, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY: Well, good morning, Rosemary, yes, there is no doubt that what Her Majesty was trying to do and, by extension Her Majesty's government was trying to do, was to remind the president that the peace of the presidency is based upon the long- standing sacrifices of the past.
And indeed, let's not forget tomorrow the queen and the president will both be there to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings.
So what you heard last night was an attempt to remind the president that here is a monarch who was alive at that point, has lived through these events and is very much aware of the benefits which organizations like NATO for example have delivered not only to Americans and Europeans but here in England --
BOYS: -- as well.
CHURCH: Now as we talked with Nic, trade talks on the agenda today between President Trump and outgoing prime minister Theresa May -- and critics are warning that any trade deals between the two countries will not be good for the United Kingdom.
This is what London mayor Sadiq Khan said about this in an email.
"President Trump is not just here to spread his hateful views and tweet childish insults but to make a U.K.-U.S. trade deal that would force Britain to agree anything he wants.
So is that fair?
Who would benefit most from a U.S.-U.K. trade deal at this point?
BOYS: I think we can dismiss Sadiq Khan as someone who has anything like a mutual suspicion with regard to this. He has a great degree of animus toward the American president. Perhaps you can dismiss that.
What you can find is, at any trade negotiations between them are going to take place over a series of years, they are not going to be done over a napkin on Downing Street's table this afternoon between the president and the outgoing prime minister.
So this is something that is going to take place over a prolonged time period. Yes, there will be elements to the trade deal that eventually emerge, perhaps are going to be different than our current existing situation. But there will also be advantages to this as well.
In any negotiation there will be give and take but I think the fearmongering that is going around, especially with regards to the NHS, which emerged over the weekend really need to be put on hold a little bit and let's see what develops over the next couple of years, which is a timeframe that we are looking at.
CHURCH: So you think just politics are a play when it comes to these trade talks and what may results in the form of some sort of trade deal?
BOYS: Yes, I think what you're finding is, let's be honest, Donald Trump is finds it easier to tear up trade deals than to draft them. He has torn up several since he has come to office and any deal that emerges between the United Kingdom and the United States is going to take place over the next couple of years. It's not something that gets put together quickly. And I know that a lot of Brexiteers are looking warmly at an emerging trade deal with the United States.
It would be the most logical trade deal to push for, quite frankly, but it won't come together quickly. And we need to make sure that the day-to-day politics, the likes of what you just discussed from the London mayor, are put in perspective.
CHURCH: Well, as well as the trade talks, of course, Trump can expect bigger anti-Trump protests, planned for woman's rights, climate change and a whole lot of other issues and these protests, of course, come at a time where the United Kingdom is in the midst of a political crisis with the Conservatives and Labour Parties divided, unable to find a path to Brexit at this time.
And President Trump has already waded into the political fray, making it clear that he supports Boris Johnson as the next British prime minister.
Is Mr. Trump putting the special relationship between the U.S. and the U.K. under threat as some others have suggested?
BOYS: I think we need to remember, Rosemary, that every time there is a slight difference of opinion between London and Washington, the line of the special relationship is under threat gets rolled out. It's happened almost annually, certainly in my lifetime and going back much further; for example, in the Vietnam War and the Suez crisis.
Yet here we are still talking about that special relationship. There is no doubt that Donald Trump has taken an unprecedented step in terms of his laying on the hands effectively, advocating Boris Johnson.
But simply endorsing him at this point has no impact at this point here in the United Kingdom in terms of who the Conservative Party might or might not choose as its next leader and as the next prime minister, for example.
Indeed, it will be interesting to see whether Boris Johnson gets an audience with the president on this trip, as some people are suggesting he might or might not occur.
CHURCH: In fact, the president of the United States has suggested himself that it may happen, we will wait and see. James Boys, thank you so much for joining us and we appreciate your perspective on these issues.
Well, calls for civilian rule have been met with gunfire with Sudan, what the military is saying about a violent crackdown on protesters, that is coming up.
Plus reports of a top North Korean envoy's excretion may have been exaggerated. New exclusive information about Kim Hyok-chol's fate.
CHURCH: CNN has learned new details about two North Korean envoys who reportedly faced harsh punishments for the failed summit with the United States. A South Korean newspaper says that one of them was executed but our sources say that is not so.
CNN's Will Ripley has reported from North Korea on 19 separate trips and joins us now from Hong Kong with exclusive new information on all of this.
So what have you been learning?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We have been looking into these reports out of South Korea since late last week that Kim Hyok-chol and other members of the negotiating team responsible for, in part at least for the failure of talks in Hanoi.
In South Korea it has been reported that Kim Hyok-chol had been executed along with others and we have been trying for days to confirm that information, speaking with source after source. And we were not able to do so.
But what I have learned from several sources speaking to me is that in fact Kim Hyok-chol is still alive and he is in custody, under investigation and could potentially face heavy punishment for his role in the failure of talks in Hanoi.
As of now his fate has yet to be determined, he has not been executed, my sources say.
We have also learned more about the punishment for the ex-spy chief, Kim Yong-chol, who resurfaced in North Korean state media over the weekend after a disappearance of some 50 days, nearly two months this is very unusual for a hiring in North Korea official. We saw some photos from an art performance over the weekend, where he was sitting five seats down from North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un, with his hands covering his face partially.
What I have learned is that he was not sent to a labor camp, which was reported in North Korea, which may be why this photo was released, to show that he is not serving hard labor.
What I was told is that Kim's punishment was for him to be locked into his office for a period of weeks, forced to sit in silence and write sentences of self criticism, the kind of punishment that is not uncommon in Korean culture, both in North and South, to humiliate someone in a position of power who has committed an error, a grave error.
That is exactly what it seems has been done to Kim Yong-chol. He has been stripped of most of his power and now he is reemerging in public, perhaps to show that he is not in a labor camp but greatly diminished from his previous role.
CHURCH: Very interesting but explain to us how could the original South Korean source get this so wrong and how often does that happen?
RIPLEY: It is the risk --
RIPLEY: -- that we all run as we try to cover news out of North Korea, which is a very secretive nation. There have been a number of cases over the years, particularly in South Korea but also in Western media where figures have disappeared from state media; there have been rumors that they have been executed and then years later they resurface.
It is not just political figures; even the famous North Korea singer back in 2013 was reported in South Korea as being executed by a firing squad. And yet we saw her in 2018 at the Winter Olympics, leading a performance arts troupe, very much alive.
When you're dealing with a nation like North Korea that keeps much of its society carefully guarded and certainly they are not going to publicize the punishments that high-level figures may face or perhaps not even a punishment, perhaps a reassignment to a job that would take them out of public eye.
So there has been cases where people are rumored to be dead and then years later they turned up alive. One of the most famous was the brother of North Korea's founder, Kim Il-sung, who vanished from public view for many years only to resurface shortly before Kim Il- sung died back in 1993.
CHURCH: Will Ripley bringing us up to date on that story from Hong Kong, many thanks to you.
Well, protesters in Sudan are counting their dead after a brutal crackdown by security forces. A doctors' group says that at least 35 people were killed when troops attacked demonstrators Monday. The country's de facto military leader says that the violence is regrettable and he is calling for elections within nine months.
CNN's David McKenzie has more on the bloodshed; a warning: some of his report is very graphic.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A new day in Sudan's dangerous impasse, ushered in by gunfire and screams, the brutality streamed live on social media by protesters who for weeks had peacefully demanded civilian rule. Now desperately recording the security forces deadly response.
"They killed someone, they killed someone," the man filming shouts; a civilian lies unresponsive.
In the chaos, the cameraman flees for his life. Witnesses in opposition groups tell CNN that the paramilitary rapid security forces led the crackdown.
In this video filmed by a witness you see a car stopped by security forces, the occupants inside beaten mercilessly. Despite these images, Sudan's transitional military counsel claimed that they did not disperse the sit-in by force.
The council has been negotiating with opposition groups for weeks. Since Sudan's long-time strongman Omar al-Bashir was ousted in mid- April, the biggest sticking point what role citizens will have in leading the country forward.
In the face of such violence opposition groups have suspended those talks, calling for a nationwide strike and more defiance. In the capital city's hospitals full of the wounded hope for a peaceful proletarian agreement replaced.
"They try to frighten us with bullets," one injured man is heard saying. "We need leadership. We need leadership. The peace has ended now after this bitterness."
Among those killed, an 8-year-old child, according to a doctor's group. They say that more than 100 injured are crammed into city hospitals, some with gunshot wounds and others badly beaten. It is feared the death toll will rise -- David McKenzie, CNN.
Elsadig Elsheikh is the director of the Global Justice Program at the Haas Institute and he joins us now from Berkeley, California. Thank you so much for being with us.
ELSADIG ELSHEIKH, DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL JUSTICE PROGRAM, HAAS INSTITUTE: Thank you for having me.
CHURCH: Well, we know that protesters peacefully called for civilian rule and that peaceful call was met with brutality on the streets of Sudan's capital. And the world witness much of that violence live on social media Monday. What was your reaction when you saw the results of that deadly crackdown?
ELSHEIKH: It was really very heartbroken and very disappointing to see the crackdown on civilian protesters in the town of Monday morning.
Most of the protesters being surprised by lynching this massive force on them while they are given a guarantee that their sittings will be guaranteed that nobody will be harassed. The military council has since asked clearly now after several visit who oversees neighboring countries capitals. It seems had changed their scenario from handing over the government into civilian hands and it seems today that they are determined to rule --
ELSHEIKH: -- the country.
CHURCH: Yes. In fact, we are now hearing that Sudan's military will cancel all previous agreements with the main opposition coalition and has called for elections within nine months, what do you make of that?
ELSHEIKH: And that's exactly what the civilian opposition with the leadership of the declaration of freedom and change and Sudanese Professionals Association they've been insistent of rejecting those kinds of running into elections.
If you can imagine, 30 years of absence of the political landscape, people doesn't have the ability or even mechanism to engage with their political parties and political point of views to determine who could rule their country and take them out of autocracy of 30 years and autocracy of the National Congress Party.
So, it seems that the transitional military council with the support of 13 regular powers that they would like to see a rush into an election in order to circumvent this revolutionary aspiration of our people in Sudan who have demanded peace, justice, equality and prosperity.
Setting up a quick election it seems irrational and irresponsible action that might not lead to instability or even rule of law.
CHURCH: And you clearly don't believe that these would be fair elections from what you've been saying?
ELSHEIKH: That's definitely and also the military council have no legitimacy whatsoever to determine how this country should be ruled.
We need to, before we have an election, we need to write our new Constitution so you can imagine it will take years, not only months in order to prep the country toward a decent civil Constitution that ingrained in rule of law and human rights framework.
And it's evident that the military council tried to circumvent and to emboss its own vision of a dictatorship, similar to one we've seen in north in Egypt, for example, when Abdel Fattah El-Sisi did almost the same thing.
ELSHEIKH: So, it seems to us there is a scenario for repeating what happened in Egypt in Sudan.
CHURCH: Now the United Nations has strongly condemned Monday's violence and Amnesty International say sanctions should be considered. How should the international community respond to this in your view?
ELSHEIKH: I think sanctions is only going to trouble the Sudanese people, what I think the international community could be steadfast in siding with the Sudanese people for aspiration for real democratic change by not recognizing the legitimacy of this military council.
They have no legitimacy; they are remnants of the former regime. Their hands are full of blood with our people with the civilians. They killed yesterday but also in the last 30 years.
General Hemeti is very well known as a leader of the paramilitary militia of Janjaweed. He need -- they need to respond to be held accountable for their crimes committed against the Sudanese people in Darfur and other places.
So, I don't think that it makes any sense for the country if it seeks to transition into stay away from atrocity and build this state of rule of law --
CHURCH: Right. ELSHEIKH: -- based on democratic principles. We cannot turn a blind eye for crimes committed against our people.
CHURCH: Elsadig Elsheikh, thank you so much for joining us and sharing your perspective on this. We appreciate it.
ELSHEIKH: Thank you.
CHURCH: Coming up next on CNN NEWSROOM, 30 years ago, hopes for democracy were dashed when China turned on its own people. We are remembering those who made the ultimate sacrifice at Tiananmen Square.
[02:31:41] ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: You are watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Rosemary Church. I want to check the headlines for you this hour. A palace backwards cut the first days of Donald Trump's state visit to the United Kingdom. Before toasting the U.S. President, Queen Elizabeth reiterated her support for post war international institutions, organizations that Mr. Trump has criticized.
The President meets with Prime Minister Theresa May on Tuesday. Talks between Sudan's main opposition group and military counsel have broken down after security forces attacked a protest in Khartoum on Monday. A doctors group says at least 35 people were killed. The country's facto military chief has pledged an investigation. He also says elections will be held within nine months.
CNN sources say this man, Kim Yong-chol is still alive but in custody. A South Korean newspaper had reported the North Korean envoy had been executed for his role in the failed Hanoi Summit. The sources also tell us the North's chief nuclear negotiator Kim Yong-chol has been stripped of his power but is not in a labor camp as was reported earlier.
Well, 30 years ago the world watched in horror as hopes for democracy in China were smashed when tanks rolled through Tiananmen Square. The Chinese government ordered troops to fire on protestors who wanted nothing more than a brighter future. Three decades later Chinese government remains determined to erase the massacre from the history book. Our Matt Rivers joins us now live from Beijing with a closer look at all of this.
Matt, for those of us old enough to remember these events. The memory will never be a race but how is the Chinese government removing this horrifying events from the country's own history books?
MATT RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, basically they don't talk about what happened. There is a complete ban on state media reporting on anything that happened during the Tiananmen Square event. In this intersection right behind me here, is called Mushi Di and so basically what this places is one of the intersections outside of Tiananmen Square that saw a lot of the killings that happened when those democracy protests were broken up.
And China does not want us talking about what's going on right now. So if I can show you here, this gentleman is a police officer here. He's been following us around for the last couple of hours or so and he's checking our passports, he's checking our journalist I.D. accreditations that were given here in China and we should say that what we're doing here is 100 percent legal. We're on a public street, this isn't somewhere we're not allowed to film but clearly the Chinese government does not want us to be here.
They sensor things online, they censor things and they -- and they don't want us to film as you can see. So basically we're going to have to probably stop filming here pretty soon. We don't want to antagonize the situation at all. But this just goes to show you, Rosemary, that China does not want us -- yes, we're going to stop right here. Absolutely. So this is dangerous to film here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Maybe you film there --
[02:35:01] RIVERS: Because the cars are coming around?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
RIVERS: So it has nothing to do with what happened in 1989?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can go there. You have to go there. OK?
RIVERS: So we can go right here? So we can't -- so us not filming here has nothing to do with the fact that there were a lot of killings that took place here in 1989?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can go there.
RIVERS: Right. OK. OK. Thank you, sir. So obviously this isn't dangerous. It's a sidewalk but, Rosemary, this is just what happens in China when you try and report on things that they don't want you to but it's not just about us, in fact, it's about way more than just western journalists, it's about the Chinese population not being allowed to get information about places like this where seminal events in China's modern history happened.
The Chinese population here has this information censored online, they're not thought about it in the schools, Tiananmen Square events are not written about in the history textbooks. China's government has gone through great lengths to try and erase what happened from history and that includes trying to prevent western media from talking about it here in China's capital.
CHURCH: Yes. And Matt what about those individuals who took part in the Tiananmen Square massacre who actually survived it, were there on the day. What about their memories and how much freedom do they have to discuss this?
RIVERS: Well, they don't frankly. I mean, we've been able to interview some of them but we know that as each year as the anniversary of June 4th gets closer and closer, let's say in a month or two months beforehand, people who were activists about Tiananmen Square, people who want to talk about that kind of history, oftentimes they're put under house arrest. We've seen that happened before.
Oftentimes people who were detained or imprisoned as a result of protesting in Tiananmen Square, they haven't been able to get jobs n the past. We -- you're able to do certain interviews of people who will openly recount their experiences but generally, very broadly people just don't talk about it here because politically it's not worth the risk. Why would you as a former person who was in Tiananmen Square who now needs to have a job, support a family, if you stick your neck out and you start talking about, so this -- we're not sure who this gentleman is here.
Playing close, police officer more than likely. So what we're going to do now, Rosemary, I'm going to toss it back to you in the studio and now you can just back up. We don't want to antagonize the situation but this is what happens when you talk a Tiananmen Square.
CHURCH: All right. Matt Rivers reporting there. Remembering 30 years ago on this day, the massacre at Tiananmen Square. Many thanks to you. Well, 12 climbers went up a mountain in the Himalayas. Now a new discovery strongly suggest not all of them survived. What we're learning about the desperate high altitude surge that is coming up on the other side of the break.
[02:40:20] CHURCH: Julian Assange won a major code victory Monday. A Swedish court denied the request to extradite the WikiLeaks founder and detain him over a sexual assault investigation from 2010. Right now Assange is in the U.K. prison serving a 50-week sentence on bail violations. He spent nearly seven years in self-imposed exile in Ecuador's London embassy.
Well a man who threw a five year old boy from a balcony of Minnesota's Mall of America has been sentenced to 19 years in prison. Emmanuel Aranda pleaded guilty last month to attempted murder. The boy fell about 12 meters in the incident back in April suffering severe injuries. Aranda declined to make a statement. The boy's father called it a horrific violent act.
A search team in the Indian Himalayas has located five bodies on the slopes of a massive mountain, dimming hopes that eight missing climbers will be found alive. The climbers were part of a 12-person expedition hoping to scale one of India's highest mountains. Facebook post shows they may have tried to reach a different peak without permission. For the latest, CNN's the latest, CNN'S Nikhil Kumar joins us live from New Delhi. So Nikhil, of course this was the news the loved ones of these lost climbers never wanted to hear.
What more are you hearing about the circumstances and of course the three climbers who are still missing?
NIKHIL KUMAR, CNN NEW DELHI BUREAU CHIEF: Well, Rosemary, officials up there in the (INAUDIBLE) Indian Himalayas, the Indian Mountain State of (INAUDIBLE) they believe that the other three climbers are buried under the snow on this unnamed peak where they spotted the five bodies and they believe all of this happened because of a massive avalanche in the area, which led to this tragedy happening.
They believe that those five bodies are -- they do belong to some of those missing climbers on and the others are under the snow, they spotted a backpack as well. They believe the other equipment is being hidden by the snow. And as you mentioned this is on a peek away from Nanda Devi which is the mountain that this group had sought a mission to climb. They were part of a larger group of 12, four were able to return to the base camp because they didn't venture in the direction of this unnamed peak.
But these eight did and they got caught up in these avalanches. This is what officials believe now. The air operations have handed the spot -- the sighting of the bodies happened on Monday morning. And now officials are trying to devise a plan to get ground teams up to this area. It's at an elevation of about 5,000 meters, so quite high to recover the bodies. It's not going to be easy, they expect it will take a few days to get all the logistics in place.
And that's because they're concerned about further avalanches. The weather in the areas hasn't been very good, it's been raining, they've seen some pretty strong winds. And so they're concerned about the threat of further avalanches on this unnamed peak. So they're just getting the logistics in order, drawing up plans to send in teams to recover these bodies. But as you say, this is the worst possible news and the news that everybody was hoping that they wouldn't hear.
Even until Sunday officials were hopeful that they would be able to find these climbers alive but sadly now they believe that these bodies do belong to that group and that other members are buried under the snow over there. Rosemary?
CHURCH: It is so tragic and of course this comes in light of all the problems related to climbers on Everest and now if this -- if this is correct about the Facebook post that it indicates the possibility that these climbers went off the original path. How might this change the way climbs like this are organized in the region?
KUMAR: Well, the officials that we have been talking to, you know, they said look, had they asked us for permission to go on to this unnamed peak. We would never have given it to them. This was a peak that haven't been climbed before. They don't even know for example -- excuse me, exactly how tall it is. The estimate is up to around 6,400 meters. So the, you know, the precise nature of this peak, the risks and so on, the officials said look, we have no idea.
And had they asked us we would've said no. So we expect perhaps some typing of procedures over there but officials said look, this shouldn't have happened and the other four who were with them. It was a group of 12 as I mentioned, they didn't go there, they ventured up Nanda Devi east, they didn't make it all the way to the top and they return back to the base camp and they are of course safe.
So we will have to see exactly what happens whether procedures are tight and so on. But right now, as I said, Rosemary, the focus very much on this very, very sad operation, it's done from a search operation into recovery operations.
[02:45:08] So, the focus on that now and to making sure that the ground teams can get up there and recover the bodies as quickly as possible but that will take as I say, because of the conditions that it will take a few days. Rosemary?
CHURCH: Yes. It is tragic, it is a cautionary tale to any other climbers. We appreciate you, Nikhil Kumar, bringing us up to date on this situation.
While there is still a lot of snow in the mountains, the rest of northern India is dealing with a grueling heat wave. Temperatures of top 50 degrees Celsius, that's 122 degrees Fahrenheit. A number of deaths have been reported due to heat stroke and there are fears of water shortages as the country faces one of its driest pre-monsoonal seasons in decades.
So, let's talk to our meteorologist Pedram Javaheri who has been following all of this. So, what do you seeing, Pedram?
PEDRAM JAVAHERI, CNN INTERNATIONAL METEOROLOGIST: Hey, Rosemary. The monsoon season is just around the corner. It is delayed by about a week, typically, begin to see the onset right around right now. You see this in the last couple of days and it has not been the case this year. We expected to begin to move in for this state of Kerala, further towards the south inside the next week or so.
But you take a look, the heat warnings, as you mentioned, widespread across this region of northern, northwestern, and Central India. That's for this afternoon. Notice the areas to the north there, you see some of the green contours return as opposed to yellows, that's giving us, at least, a break across this region as we going towards Wednesday.
But still, tremendous heat in place across this region. As you mentioned, pushing up near 50 degrees, one of the observations in Churu, part to the north there, sitting just shy of 49 degrees. And, of course, you have to factor in the heat index, the humidity across this region. And we're talking about 54 out of Delhi, 55 in Diamond Harbour, which is the area just south of Kolkata, and then, work your way toward Chandbali, further toward Chennai, nearly 60 degrees what it feels like outside. This was the hottest heat index that I could find on our planet in the past couple of days. Really incredible stuff when you think about it 163degrees Fahrenheit heat indices.
And a lot of these areas, of course, air conditioning is non-existent. But we know when it comes to extreme heat in India and especially when you take into consideration the amount of population that works in the agricultural industry, heat-related deaths are significant just since 2010. Back we've seen some 6,000 lives lost across the sub-continent because of extreme heat.
And into the next couple of days, very little in the way of relief. Again, you look at the temperatures as they're expected to be seen in the shade and to the afternoon hours. You factor in humidity again much warmer, but the monsoon as we think in the next couple of days will begin to bring in some moisture farther toward the south. And with that, the temperatures should begin to drop as we work away into the month of June, Rosemary.
CHURCH: All right. Thank you so much, Pedram. Appreciate it, we'll talk again next hour.
Well, spoiler alert. For weeks, Jeopardy! game show player, James Holzhauer, has been unbeatable. And now, we are learning whether or not he is still on track to break the all-time Jeopardy! earnings record. That story, next.
CHURCH: Well, for millions of Jeopardy! game show fans, the wait is finally over. James Holzhauer's last show reveals whether he surpasses the all-time Jeopardy! earnings record. Here is CNN's Stephanie Elam.
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What is too small of a wager, Alex?
ALEX TREBEK, HOST, JEOPARDY!: (INAUDIBLE) is been for in a while.
[02:50:01] ELAM: If you're James Holzhauer, the answer is $1,399.
TREBEK: A modest one, for the first time.
ELAM: Yes, Holzhauer, Jeopardy's king of the massive wager.
JAMES HOLZHAUER, PROFESSIONAL SPORTS GAMBLER: All of the chips, please.
TREBEK: All of it.
ELAM: Put up only a fraction of his $23,400 pot when he entered final Jeopardy in second place.
TREBEK: So, Emma, it's up to you. If you came up with a correct response, you're going to be the new Jeopardy! champion.
ELAM: All three contestants got the answer right. But Chicago librarian, Emma Boettcher, who was in the lead took a page out of Holzhauer's playbook and wagered a hefty bet. His only hope of winning his 33rd game hinged on her getting the question wrong.
TREBEK: What did you wager? Oh, God, 20,000. What a payday?
ELAM: Holzhauer took the loss like a champ. Immediately giving the new champ a high five. Since early April, Jeopardy! fans watched to see if Holzhauer would break the non-tournament earnings record of $2,520,700 amassed by Ken Jennings in 2004.
HOLZHAUER: With Mario.
TREBEK: Mario, yes. James.
HOLZHAUER: What is (INAUDIBLE)
HOLZHAUER: What is New York?
TREBEK: That's the state.
ELAM: But chatter of Holzhauer's loss hit the Internet Sunday night. As video of the end of the game was leaked online. Then, he seemed to confirm the loss. In response to CNN's Brian Stelter about Jeopardy! reruns playing at a bar, Holzhauer tweeted, "If it's a rerun, I probably got this."
TREBEK: We're going to say goodbye to James --
ELAM: Of course, it's not like Holzhauer's leaving empty-handed. He solidified his place in the Jeopardy! hall of fame with a string ofsingle-game earnings records and raked in a total of $2,462,216.
About his loss, Holzhauer told the Naperville Sun, "I know I played my best and did everything I could so I will hold my head up high." But if any Holzhauer is happy about his loss, it might be the champ's daughter. He tweeted, "My kid cried about the possibility of her dad losing, so I told her we could have a party the day after it inevitably happens. Now she cries when I win."
Time to party, Holzhauer's. Stephanie Elam, CNN, Los Angeles.
CHURCH: Adam Levin is a former Jeopardy! contestant only barely losing to James Holzhauer back in April. And he joins us now from Massachusetts. Good to have you with us.
ADAM LEVIN, LOST TO JAMES HOLZHAUER ON JEOPARDY!: I'm glad to be here.
CHURCH: So, four weeks, he seemed unstoppable, but James Holzhauer's winning streak on Jeopardy! came to a sudden end just shy of the record. Why did he lose this time, do you think, and what has been the key to his success up to this point?
LEVIN: Yes, I mean, I think the reason that he lost tonight was that, that Emma played a perfect game, you know. Which is what it looked like someone would have to do to beat James. You know, there was only one question wrong, missed the entire game between the three players. And when it push came his job, and she picked up on the daily doubles, and Emma did what she needed to do. And, you know, she really deserved to win the game.
CHURCH: Right. And I have to say, James was an outstanding loser in that one too. And, of course, Jeopardy! fans have been watching intently since early April to see if Holzhauer could beat the record set by Ken Jennings back in 2004 of $2.52 million. But he missed it by about -- what? 58-1/2 thousand.
CHURCH: Does that matter in the end? He still goes home with more than $2 million. He's had all of this exposure. What do you think?
LEVIN: Yes. I know, I don't know. I think -- I think, he is -- he is got to be pretty happy with where he is. You know, he will have -- his final average will be just a shade under before James what was the single day record. His average per game would have -- would have been just a shade -- or rather is just a shade under the single-game record.
I think that over -- and to do that over the course of 32 games is pretty impressive. And as you say, the exposure he's gotten, you know, I think -- I think he's probably pretty pleased with the way everything is gone.
CHURCH: Yes. I mean, he had all smiles on his face when he left and he did leave a champ. But what was it like for you? I have to ask since we have you here. What was it like losing two Holzhauer back in April by just a slim margin, in fact, how did that?
LEVIN: Yes. I mean, it was certainly a lifetime dream of mine to get on to Jeopardy. And it wasn't as a (INAUDIBLE) the lifetime dream I -- obviously, included me winning a game or two. But I felt like if I having -- had a chance to see him play, that if I was going to end up losing, I really -- I would rather have ended up losing to someone who's going to be known as one of the all-time greats. You know, I think people been clamoring on the Internet now for a long time to be able to see a James versus Ken Jennings versus Brad Rutter, a three- man showdown.
And to know that I was that close to somebody who's going to have their name on the -- I suppose, it's Jeopardy's version of Mount Rushmore.
[02:55:19] CHURCH: Yes.
LEVIN: To fill the three -- the three ultimate tournament and champions, or whatever, podiums. You know.
LEVIN: That's a pretty good person to lose to.
CHURCH: Yes, real feather on your cap there. So, explain this to us. Why do people put themselves through this? Because it must be incredibly stressful. Is it worth it, in the end, to go through all of that?
LEVIN: Oh, 100 percent. I mean, like I said, it's -- I've been watching the show for -- it's been on for 35 years and that's how long that I've been watching it. And it's something that was just always a dream and you don't get too many opportunities to make dreams come true. So, when I went on there, I was just happy to play the game as the best as I could and -- you know, and just take it one question at a time, and enjoy every moment up there. Enjoy finally getting on the stage and seeing that big bank of T.V. is in. And meeting Alex on person and getting to hear Johnny say my name on T.V., you know, it was -- it was a -- just a great honor.
CHURCH: And, of course, now everyone is looking to Emma. Wondering if she can do the same as James or perhaps, Ken.
LEVIN: I would say that she has every possibility -- I mean, certainly, the way that she played tonight indicates that she really can. You know, hearing some of her background that she wrote a thesis on Jeopardy! You know, she seems like she will have the kind of preparation that James brought into it as a -- as a librarian, as someone who's done research into the show, gosh, I wouldn't surprise me at all to see her go on a run, almost in what you all we've seen with James.
CHURCH: We'll be watching very closely. Adam Levin, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it.
LEVIN: Thank you for having me.
CHURCH: All right, thank you for having me, and we'll have more news for you coming up in just a few minutes. Stay with us.