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Trump Speaks with Polish President; Trump Meets with Putin; Trump talks about Census Question; Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) is Interviewed about Hearings; Trump Junior on Capitol Hill. Aired 1:00- 1:30p ET

Aired June 12, 2019 - 13:00   ET


[13:00:00] DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Is going to buy billions and billions of dollars' worth of LNG from us. And we appreciate that.


DUDA: This is a result of a common initiative with the president.

TRUMP: That's right.

QUESTION: Mr. President, would you use sanctions to block Nord Stream 2, the pipeline to Russia?

TRUMP: Well, we're looking at it. Look, people have a right to do what they want to do. I think it's -- say, you know, something that I've been looking at and I'm thinking about.

And I'm the one that brought up the pipeline problem, where you have Russia giving a tremendous percentage of energy. You know, this gas is going into Germany. I say, "How can you do that?" So we're protecting Germany from Russia. And Russia is getting billions and billions of dollars of money from Germany. I'm the one that brought up the problem.

With that being said, I hope they get along. But Russia's paying 1 percent, as I said. They're not paying 2 percent. They should be paying much more.


TRUMP: Germany -- that Germany is paying 1 percent. They should be paying 2 percent. They should really be paying more than that. But we'll see how that works out.

No, I think this. We have something much better. We have tremendous LNG, liquified natural gas. And a lot of the European countries are wanting it, including yourselves.

I mean, tremendous amounts are being sold to different places all over the world, but also to Europe. And I think that's really the way. If they want to spend a tremendous amount of money -- I do think this. And I would say hopefully nothing will happen -- nothing negative. Hopefully we're going to have a great relationship with Russia. Great relationship with China, and with Germany and everybody else. But I do think that Germany is putting themselves at a tremendous disadvantage when 50, 60 or even 70 percent of their energy is being supplied by Russia. I don't know how you can do that.


QUESTION: ... power (ph) to block the pipeline. You can just...


TRUMP: Well, Germany -- no, no. Let me explain it differently.

Germany has the power to block it. You know how they block it? By not buying it. I mean, Germany made a decision to buy a tremendous percentage of their energy from Russia. And Germany, whether they should be doing that or not, they're the ones that have the power to block it. They shouldn't buy it. Or if they want to, they can. But that's really a decision of Germany.

I'm not saying that I would be in favor. I think the German people aren't very happy about it, because it really makes Germany a hostage of Russia if things ever happened that were bad. Hopefully that will never be happened (ph).

OK, go ahead.

QUESTION: Your (ph) comments -- your reaction to the comments by Iran. Rouhani is saying Iran will not start a war, but will defend itself if attacked.


TRUMP: Well, I would think they would. Sure. I would think they would -- I hope they defend themselves.


TRUMP: I would think they would defend themselves.

Iran is not the same country. When I became president, Iran was a terror all over the world. They had just made this horrible deal for the United States, the Iran nuclear deal. And I became president, and I terminated the deal, and Iran now is in chaos. It's got a lot of problems.

I don't want them to be that way. But we're stopping their oil, we're stopping a lot of different things. We just stopped, two weeks ago, the steel and metals, all -- metals, all forms of metals.

And as you know, they have tremendous inflation. They have a lot of problems. I don't want them to have problems. The problem could be solved, but you know what they have to do. And they didn't do it properly. And the deal that President Obama made was a horrible deal. It was a horrible deal. $150 billion, $1.8 billion in cash. It was a horrible deal. And I terminated the deal, very nicely. I terminated the deal.

Since I terminated that deal, Iran is not the same country.

But I -- with all of it being said, hopefully we'll be able to get along with Iran. If we can, that's great. And if we can't, that's great too.


QUESTION: A question on Venezuela, please.

TRUMP: Venezuela is obviously in flux. It's doing unbelievably badly.

This was, Mr. President, one of the richest countries.

DUDA: Yes.

TRUMP: Had tremendous oil, tremendous everything. It just shows you, when you have a bad system -- it became a socialistic system, or worse. And now people don't have food, they don't have water, they don't have anything. It's a very sad thing.

We're watching Venezuela very closely.

QUESTION: You tweeted that Russia had told you that they were taking out a large -- large part of their military. Russia has denied that...


TRUMP: Well, let's -- let's just see who's right. You know what you're going to do? You're going to see in the end, who's right, OK?

QUESTION: What do you know at this point?

TRUMP: You just watch it, OK? And we'll see who's right.

QUESTION: Sir, are you in...


TRUMP: Ultimately, I'm always right.

QUESTION: Sir, are you any (inaudible)...

TRUMP: Yeah, go ahead.

QUESTION: Mr. President, thank you very much.

(inaudible) great cooperation with...

TRUMP: I'll be meeting with Putin at the G-20. I'll be meeting with President Xi at the G-20. I'll be meeting with many of the leaders at the G-20. QUESTION: But are you going to have a lot of people in the room with you, national security officials (ph)?

[13:05:00] TRUMP: Well, it's probably easier, because you people are so untrusting. So it's probably better if I -- would you like to be in the room? OK?

QUESTION: (inaudible)

TRUMP: Would you like to be? I can imagine you would be.

I think it's probably easier if we have people in the room, because you people don't trust anything.

Go ahead.

QUESTION: Mr. President, you established great cooperation with President Andrzej Duda. Can you comment about the program the first ladies (inaudible)?

TRUMP: Well, the first ladies know each other. They get along with each other. They're going out to lunch right after this.

Would you like to say something?

M. TRUMP: It is great to have them here again in the Oval Office and in the White House. And I'm looking forward to talking with Ms. Duda about children, what they're facing in our country, what they're facing in Poland, as we did the first time, and we will continue to do so.

QUESTION: Mr. President, when (inaudible) promised to remove visa requirements for the (inaudible).

TRUMP: We're looking at that, actually. We're looking at that. That's the kind of a relationship we have with Poland. We are looking very strongly at visa requirements with respect to Poland.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

TRUMP: We'll know pretty soon. Something could happen.

DUDA: We will talk about it during the press conference, but today we're very -- very important agreement between our government was signed. It's very important for the -- for this step, visa regime (ph).

TRUMP: Big step.

QUESTION: Mr. President, can you say what your measurement for the success of your deal with Mexico would be? How will you know if the deal is working?

TRUMP: Well, because our country has been so successful over the last two and a half years -- it's been incredible. Our GDP numbers, our production numbers, our manufacturing, employment numbers -- we have the most people working in our country that we've ever had. We're almost up to 160 million people. We've never been close.

And because the United States has become so successful in terms of its economic and what it -- what it means, the economy of the United States, tremendous numbers of people are trying to come into our country. And I'm saying, "You can't do that. You have to come in legally, and you have to come through merit."

Now, a lot of things are happening, but Mexico stepped up to the plate. Perhaps it was because of the tariffs -- I would say "perhaps" being defined as 99 percent -- but that doesn't matter, because the president of Mexico and I have a very, very excellent relationship. We spoke -- his people were here for two and a half, three days working intensively on the agreement. And I think it's going to mean a lot of -- a lot fewer people coming up. You just can't crash our borders like this.

Mexico has very, very strong immigration laws. We have incompetent -- we have the worst immigration laws, the dumbest laws anywhere in the world -- anywhere in the world. There's nothing close. But Mexico's laws are as strong as they can be.

Now, Mexico's moving 6,000 troops to their southern border. That's a lot of troops. That's a lot more -- we never even heard of a number like that. That's a lot of troops. But that's what they want to do, because they want to produce. I think Mexico really wants to produce.

If Mexico does a great job, then you're not going to have very many people coming up. If they don't, then we have phase two. Phase two is very tough. But I think they're going to do a good job.

Now, with all of that being said, if the Democrats got together with me for 15 minutes, we could wipe out the loopholes and we wouldn't need anything from anybody. But right now, Mexico is helping us much more on immigration than the Democrats in the U.S.


QUESTION: What is phase two, sir? What is phase two?

TRUMP: Phase two is a much tougher phase. Much tougher.


QUESTION: We know you have a special little surprise for President Duda: F-35 flyover...

TRUMP: Yeah.

QUESTION: ... at the White House.

TRUMP: I do.

QUESTION: Could you elaborate on (inaudible)?

TRUMP: Well, at 1:55 we're going to have the world's greatest fighter jet, most advanced plane, probably, anywhere in the world, beyond fighter jet -- most advanced plane. And at 1:55 to 2:00 -- we have to hurry because we have to make it, so we'll end with this question -- we're going to have two super F-35s flying at a great rate of speed. And then they're doing a second fly-back, and I think they're going to go straight up. So they're going to put on a -- a very small show for us, but it's going to be something.

And we're doing that because Poland has ordered 32 or 35 brand-new F- 35s at the highest level and the latest model.

And I congratulate you on that. That means you have good taste.


QUESTION: Mr. President, where does your respect for Poland come from other than your visit to Poland?

TRUMP: Well, because the United States has a tremendous Polish population. And they were very much in favor -- they -- they liked me and I liked them, and a lot of them voted for Trump. And I've always loved the Polish people, and I've always respected the Polish people.

[13:10:00] They're very, very hard working and they're smart and they love their country and they love our country too. So I'm always in favor of Poland.

Thank you, sir.

STAFF: Thanks, everybody.

TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you very much.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, press. Let's go. This way.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: All right, you've been listening to President Trump from the Oval Office covering a range of issues as he sits there alongside the Polish president, Andrzej Duda.

I want to bring in Kaitlan Collins at the White House and we have Dana Bash here with me in studio.

President Trump spoke about invoking executive privilege. Let's listen.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, I think that -- and I'm not overly involved in that. That's really a legal matter. But I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody is a citizen or not, that doesn't sound so good to me. Can you imagine, you send out a census and you're not allowed to say whether or not a person's an American citizen? In Poland they'd say, they're either Polish or they're not, right? So I don't want to get you into this battle, but it's -- it's -- it's ridiculous. I think it's -- QUESTION: (INAUDIBLE).

TRUMP: I think it's totally ridiculous that we would have a census without asking. But the Supreme Court is going to be ruling on it soon. I think when a census goes out, you should find out whether or not -- and you have the right to ask whether or not somebody is a citizen of the United States.


KEILAR: A controversial decision there because it is not a citizenship poll, it is a population poll. And some critics say that this would dissuade some people from being counted.

But, Kaitlan, there were a number of other things.

He said that he's going to be meeting with Vladimir Putin at the G-20. We did expect that. But he's confirming that.

He also took on a report that internal polls from his own campaign showed that he was struggling in many states that he needed to win.

What did you think about what you heard from the Oval Office?

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, fresh off the bat regarding the polling, the president denied that. And, in fact, he said the opposite of what our reporting has showed us, Brianna, and that's that actually an internal poll conducted by the president's re- election effort actually showed that he was lagging in several key states, falling behind people like Joe Biden and that when the president was briefed on that poll, it made him angry.

Now, the president denied that that poll exists. He said that the polls that showed him lagging behind are fake and he said that every poll -- that every state that they've polled internally at the Trump campaign actually shows him ahead.

Now, we just know that's not true based on what our sources, people who are familiar with these internal polls at the Trump campaign, have told us, which they've downplayed the numbers and they've said, we're so far away from the election, it's not a big deal. But the president there is outright denying that they even exist.

Now, of course, also speaking about that meeting with President Putin, something that the Russians, we should note, have not confirmed, the president said they will be meeting at the G-20 Summit in Japan later this month, and then he turned to reporters and seemed to jokingly ask if they wanted to be in the room for that meeting because, of course, Brianna, the president has a history of meeting with President Putin at times with no staffers in the room, with just interpreters in the room, or the report that the president once took the interpreter's notes and instructed the interpreter not to disclose what the two leaders had discussed.

So the president was saying there that reporters don't trust anything and that maybe they should be brought into the room for his upcoming meeting with the Russian president. Though it's unclear if he's joking or if he's actually going to bring reporters in the room for that meeting.

Of course, one of the biggest disputes of the day is over this question that was added to the census, the citizenship question, and whether or not -- why it was added, that's what Democrats want to know, the motive behind that. But the president there seemed to be condoning adding that question to the census, saying he thinks it's ridiculous to not ask if someone is a U.S. citizen when they are filling out that census.

Of course, Democrats will take problem with that because they say that adding that question actually suppresses the people who will come out and say that, yes, they're living in the United States because they don't want to have to admit if they're living here illegally, that it will affect federal resources and, of course, redistricting when it comes to representation in Congress.

But the president there seemed to give his endorsement to that question. But I should note, he said he's not overly involved in the process because it's, quote, a legal -- a legal matter.

KEILAR: Yes. And, obviously, some of those things with the suppression would happen, but, Dana, he seems to -- the issue to him, he actually seems to be condoning the idea of knowing who's a citizen and who is not --


KEILAR: Even though this information is not supposed to be shared. That's not what someone taking the census would believe if they were filling out that question.

BASH: Absolutely. It is something that we have not seen before. And that is why the Supreme Court is going to have to decide it. You know, involved or not, he has made his view extremely clear before and obviously even more so just now in what we heard from him, which is, you should have to say whether you're a citizen of this country. So, you know what, that's why there is a third branch of government and the judiciary, the Supreme Court, will decide.

[13:15:01] KEILAR: There -- there are -- this was, I would say, a very truth-challenged appearance that he would make. Everything from this report about the polls, which, as Kaitlan said, just goes in the face of what we know through our reporting, and also just through common sense, where he's saying that they're winning in every state. That would defy even expectations of what would just be normal at this point in time.

But let's also talk about, he's sitting there with President Duda, an appearance that he is affording this leader of Poland that there is -- there's no way George W. Bush or Barack Obama would afford this president that appearance, considering this state of democratic backsliding that we've seen in Poland. You have -- you've seen Poland take state-run media and turn it into a mouthpiece, into propaganda. They have forced a retirement age of the Supreme Court lower in an attempt to -- well, not an attempt, to purge the Supreme Court. And then, in the face of protests here, somewhat recently over the past year, they have prosecuted peaceful protesters and allowed them to be physically injured without recourse.

BASH: Yes.

KEILAR: He says, they won't backslide. I mean they are backsliding.

BASH: They are. I mean, first of all, what do you expect the leader of Poland to say except what he said. There's -- he said, there's no problem with democracy in Poland. There's no gambling in Las Vegas. I mean it's -- it's -- it is just not believable on its face.

But to the important point that you brought up, Brianna, about the president, you know, having the leader of Poland -- and this is the second visit that he and his wife have made to the U.S. and to -- and, you know, and -- and they're not only getting this Oval Office meeting with the cameras in there and that, you know, the money shot, if you will, they're apparently -- our reporting is that there could be F-35 flyovers in his honor. That's also an economic decision because the U.S. is hoping that Poland will buy some of those -- of those planes from America.

But having said all that, what is interesting about Poland is that it just -- it's -- it's an example of how complicated so many of these relationships really are because, at the same time, you're right, democratic and Republican predecessors would make very clear, maybe even sitting next to them, no, that's not how things should be done. There should be, in a democracy where we're doing deals like this, there should be a free press, there should be an independent judiciary. That's what most of Donald Trump's predecessors would do, take the opportunity to, you know, to show them how it's done. He didn't do that.

But at the same time, Poland is, you know, not exactly cozy with Russia. And America, the Trump administration, is hoping to get a base -- working on getting a base in Poland because of that. And so it just -- it's -- it's a -- it's a classic example of how complicated so many of these relationships are in terms of where they are geographically, in terms of their relationships with other adversaries, but the notion of backsliding on democracy. That should just be a given for the U.S. president.

KEILAR: Yes, just --

BASH: At least historically speaking it has been.

KEILAR: Yes, really needed a fact check there.

Thank you, Dana Bash, Kaitlan Collins.

BASH: Thank you.

KEILAR: And on The Hill, the House Intelligence Committee has been holding its hearing on Volume One of the Mueller report for a few hours now. One of the witnesses is former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. He was invited by Republicans and he's expressed views that are more closely aligned with the GOP during the hearing. But listen to what he said about the now infamous Trump Tower meeting.


ANDREW MCCARTHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: I would just add that I think by taking the meeting -- and I don't think you need a lot of training for this -- by taking the meeting, you've made yourself beholden to Putin in terms of however he wants to characterize it down the road, so that even if nothing inappropriate happens at the meeting, you have that vulnerability as well.


KEILAR: Our next guest is a member of both the House Oversight Committee and the House Intelligence Committee. Democratic Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi of Illinois is joining us now live from Capitol Hill.

Congressman, McCarthy said many things that I know that you would disagree with, but what did you think of that bit there that he was saying essentially there was a problem with the Trump Tower meeting, at least on the issue of appearance?


Yes, he was candid and correct in that particular instance. They should never have taken that meeting with the Russian agent who was sent there to meet at Trump Tower in June of 2016. And he's correct that because they took the meeting, that could also be the subject of manipulation or kompromat or compromising information in the future.

[13:20:00] KEILAR: The Intelligence Committee hearing has shaped up to be highly partisan. You have McCarthy, who, as we've noted, was invited by Republicans. He testified that Russian did not have the intent to help President Trump --

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Which is a contradiction of the findings by the special counsel, by the entire U.S. intelligence community. And then you also have your own witness, Stephanie Douglas. She's a former executive director within the FBI. She also twisted Mueller's finding, specifically about Paul Manafort. Let's listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you elaborate on that? You just said that the Russians tasked the campaign chairman of Donald Trump's campaign. Can you just elaborate on how the Russians tasked him?

STEPHANIE DOUGLAS, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, NATIONAL SECURITY BRANCH OF THE FBI: They asked him to provide polling data. And, like you said, I mean, polling data isn't the keys to the kingdom, right? But it is a small step that illustrates his willingness to provide information to someone he knows he's beholding to financially, right, an ongoing lawsuit, fees that are owed, and he is willing to provide internal campaign information to a foreign government and to a person who was closely tied to the Kremlin. And I think that is a great illustration of how the Russians work.


KEILAR: She's making, congressman, a cognitive leap there because Mueller never said that the Russian government asked Manafort to share that polling data or that the polling data ever made it to the Russian government. So how does this testimony that we're hearing from both sides here serve to inform the American people and not just politicize this?

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Well, actually, I think that when you said the president's press conference was a little truth challenged earlier, I would have to say that a little bit about Mr. McCarthy's testimony today.

With regard to what she described about the encounter between Konstanin Kilimnik and Paul Manafort, I actually did find that sharing of polling data to be problematic because Konstanin Kilimnik does have ties to the Russian intelligence services. And so -- and it was shared over a period of months.

That being said --

KEILAR: Yes, but the distinction she's making, and this is significant considering what her expertise is, is she's saying the Russian government tasked him with this. She's not saying just because of the sharing.

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Yes, so basically it's her assertion. I did not see it laid out in the report that basically Deripaska, who also received -- he's a Russian oligarch who received some of this polling data, was somehow asking for it on behalf of the Russian government. We don't know for sure. But what is for sure the case is that at the time that the polling data was shared, Paul Manafort was the chairman of the Trump campaign. And to the extent that this was being shared with people with ties to the Russians.

KEILAR: And, I'm sorry to interrupt you on this because I'm -- I'm not -- I'm not disputing any of the facts that you're laying out about the sharing. They are accurate. But the question is, this highly politicized pairing of people who are testifying today, how does that serve -- how does that serve the process to inform?

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Well, I think that you have to allow witnesses to be able to say what they need to say or want to say on a certain topic. However, one thing is for sure, which is that I think the American people need to read the Mueller report and this is an effort at least to explain the Mueller report in a public setting as best as we can.

KEILAR: They're both diverging from the Mueller report, as we explained there though. This is not -- this is -- some of these things are not explaining the Mueller report. Some of these things are going certainly beyond the scope and the findings of the Mueller report.

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Well, I think that, for the beginning part of the -- for much of the hearing, they actually adhered to what was said in the Mueller report in Volume One. I'll just give you one example. The counterintelligence investigation that was started was not because of some kind of deep state conspiracy in DOJ, it was started because of George Papadopoulos sharing information about a plan to release Hillary Clinton's e-mails. And so this is the type of information that I think needed to get out there and it did during the hearing.

KEILAR: All right, Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi, thank you so much for joining us.

KRISHNAMOORTHI: Thank you, Brianna.

KEILAR: On the other side of the Capitol, the president's eldest son, Donald Trump Junior, has just finished testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee. His hearing was private, but he was expected to be questioned about the infamous Trump Tower meeting, as well as this secret plan to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Let's get to CNN's senior congressional correspondent Manu Raju, who is live for us from The Hill.

I understand you have some new information about this hearing. Tell us.

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we're learning a little bit more about this two and a half hour closed door testimony that Donald Trump Junior had with the Senate Intelligence Committee. There were questions about his past testimony and whether it lined up with the Mueller report. The Mueller report raising question about whether he was truthful about what he knew about that Trump Tower 2016 meeting. In the run-up to that 2016 meeting, he had initially told Congress that he had informed Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner, the only individuals about that meeting. The Mueller report then raised questions after it cited separate testimony from Rick Gates saying that perhaps Donald Trump Junior was informing a larger groups of people about that meeting because he had mentioned it in a group of individuals -- with a group of individuals that he had a lead about dirt about the Clinton Foundation.

[13:25:47] Also the Mueller report raised questions about his past testimony involving the pursuit of the Trump Tower Moscow project. He initially had said that he was only peripherally aware of that project, that -- it cited Michael Cohen, the former Trump fixer, who now is in jail, who said that he had actually briefed Donald Trump Junior more extensively about that meeting.

Now, we're learning what he said about those topics, according to a person close to Donald Trump Junior, who talked to our colleague, Kara Scannell, he said that he had -- didn't know what Rick Gates may have been talking about there when it came to what he told individuals before that 2016 meeting. He said he only recalled talking to Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, not a larger group of individuals.

He also downplayed Michael Cohen may -- who may have told them -- who may have told them about that Trump Tower Moscow project. He said that there were hundreds of e-mails that he would get. He said you could look at hundreds of possible deals where only one goes through. And he said that -- he said that, according to this source, he said that in ten years of Michael Cohen trying to make deals, the chances of him making a deal was less than 1 percent.

So essentially Donald Trump Junior saying he downplayed any of the e- mail traffic and any other information he got passed along about that Trump Tower Moscow project. So he down -- he dismissed Michael Cohen's allegation that he had been briefed extensively.

Now, Brianna, when he left the hearing, I asked him whether or not he changed any of his testimony, and he said he didn't and hew took a shot at Michael Cohen.


DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SON: The reality, there was nothing to changed. If there needed to be clarification because Michael Cohen, who let's not forget is serving time right now for lying to these very investigative bodies, I'm happy to do that. I don't think I changed anything of what I said because there's nothing to change. I'm glad that this is finally over and we're able to put some final clarity on that and I think the committee understands that.


RAJU: Now, he was also asked whether he was concerned about perjury at all. And he said, quote, not at all. But in this testimony, Brianna, it was limited in scope. We are told that they didn't discuss the Air Force One statement that came out after it was revealed that he had that meeting with Russians, that the story that came out in 2017 initially in "The New York Times." He also didn't talk about those hush money payments of course the president was involved with to keep silent those alleged extramarital affairs that he had in the run-up to the 2016 elections. Those did not come up. But he tried to push back at allegations that he was not truthful in the past about those two key topics and he believes he did just that.


KEILAR: Manu Raju, thank you for that report.

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