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Joe Biden Sorry for Remarks about Working with Segregationists; One-on-One with Presidential Candidate Marianne Williamson; British Ambassador to the U.S. Blasts Trump; Explosion at Florida Shopping Center Injures at Least 23; Southern California Braces for Aftershocks After 7.1 Earthquake; Death & Violence part Of Daily Life Rebel Stronghold; KFile: Warren Blasted Anti-Busing Ruling In 1975 Article; Harry & Meghan Share Photos From Archie's Christening. Aired 8-9p ET

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[20:00:00] JEANNE MOOS, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: -- jackasses on the left would go to no end to make some Trump supporter's life a living hell. But they didn't just borrow the people, they lifted the storefront, it's in Tokyo. Note the Japanese sign. And the beach that Tracey from Florida is walking on is actually the Mediterranean Sea. Better check Tracey's birth certificate.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for staying with me. You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York.

Regrets? Joe Biden has a few and he came clean on some of them today in South Carolina, starting with his recent remarks about being able to work with segregationist senators.


JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again? Yes, I was. I regret it. And I'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception that may have caused anybody.


CABRERA: He also spoke about the controversial 1994 Crime Bill he supported.


BIDEN: I supported the bill. I will accept responsibility for what went right. But I will also accept the responsibility for what went wrong.


CABRERA: CNN's Arlette Saenz is on the campaign trail with Biden in South Carolina.

Arlette, Biden started by owning up to some of his failings on race issues, but he also criticized his opponents for overlooking his years as Barack Obama's vice president. He's clearly trying to grab his own narrative back. Do you think he was successful with potential voters today?

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, Ana, the voters earlier today in Sumter, South Carolina, as well here in Orangeburg, South Carolina, were very receptive to the former vice president's speech and remarks. But we will see over the course of the next few days how this might resonate with voters in other parts of the state and also across the country, as you've really seen Biden come under attack in recent weeks, particularly on issues relating to race.

But in that speech earlier today in Sumter, South Carolina, Biden really was giving one of the most forceful defenses of his records. He did express remorse when it came to his comments about working with segregationist senators decades ago. He also expressed a little bit of remorse for some elements of the Crime Bill that critics have viewed as detrimental. But Biden also was trying to push back on some of these attacks, trying to lay out explanations of where he stood on certain issues over the course of his long career in the Senate.

And one thing that he pointed to was President Obama. He was arguing that President Obama's selection of Biden as a running mate was a testament to his character and record. Take a listen to what he told voters earlier today in Sumter, South Carolina.


BIDEN: I was vetted. I was vetted by he and 10 serious lawyers he appointed to go back and to look at every single thing in my background, from finances to anything I had done. Everything. And he selected me. I'll take his judgment about my record, my character, my ability to handle the job, over anyone else's.


SAENZ: So Biden really leaning in heavily to his relationship with the former president. That's something that he's done throughout his campaign. You know, just a little while ago here in Orangeburg, Biden was referring to him simply as his buddy Barack. That's a message that you hear him trying to reinforce over and over. And Biden is here in South Carolina, trying to court that critical black vote. They make up a majority of the Democratic primary electorate here in the state. And though Biden has been slipping a little bit in the polls, he still has significant strength among the African-American community. So that's something that Biden is going to be focusing on here in South Carolina over this next 24 hours as he's here, Ana.

CABRERA: All right. Arlette Saenz, we know you'll keep us posted, thank you.

I want to get reaction now from one of Biden's 2020 rivals, bestselling author and activist Marianne Williamson. Marianne, thanks for being here. Biden says his opponents don't want

to talk about all the things he did as vice president. What do you say to that?

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't want to talk about Joe Biden. I want to talk about the United States of America. I don't want to talk about anybody's past. I want to talk about the future of our country where we need to be as people, where our public policy needs to be, so the politics of trying to bring down one candidate, all of that stuff it's not of great interest to me.

CABRERA: You just qualified for the second Democratic debate in Detroit later this month. Congratulations, Marianne, you got a lot of buzz after the first debate. In fact you were the most searched candidate on Google but so far that hasn't necessarily translated into support in the polls. Why do you think that is?

[20:05:03] WILLIAMSON: Well, the fact that it hasn't translated into support in the polls that you're looking at doesn't mean that it's not translating into support in every -- every meeting that I'm having, every house party, every place I go in Iowa, every place I go in New Hampshire, where I see crowds, where I'm getting standing ovations. I think it's translating into a lot of support. You know there's -- it's what's happening on the ground in these states, that's where it matters, where the voters are, not necessarily what's happening yet in polls and all of that kind of stuff. Any candidate knows that. We know where it really matters and that's

inside people. Whether or not you feel your words are landing and whether or not your words landed in a particular debate, you know, that's one moment and it's a long conversation that you're having with the voters and I feel confident about the conversation that I'm having with the voters in the primary states.

CABRERA: Not all of voters know who you are and the "New York Times" just wrote a piece that looks inside. It talks about how a book from 1976 had a big impact on you and your career path, and now your candidacy.

This book is called "A Course in Miracles" and the "Times" describes that text as, quote, "A curious New York scripture that arose during the heady metaphysical counter-culture of the 1960s that is taken by its readers as a genuine gospel produced by a Manhattan doctor who believed she was channeling new revelations from Jesus Christ himself."

How has this book influenced your life and your vision for America?

WILLIAMSON: Well, first of all, I think that's a deep misrepresentation of this book. This book is not a religion. There's no doctrine, there's no dogma. It's a book that talks about universal spiritual themes of inner peace and forgiveness and love, and those universal spiritual themes are in all the great religious and spiritual systems of the world, and as a woman, understanding more deeply what love means in my life, how to forgive, how to forgive, how to be more giving, more about giving than taking, how to be of service, how to try to live my life as a woman in greater relationship, deeper relationship with the people around me.

What it means to live in justice, and in mercy and in love, whether I'm finding it from my own religious tradition of Judaism, whether I'm finding it from the "Course in Miracles," whether I'm finding it from Hinduism, whether I'm finding it reading in Buddhism. I studied comparative religion and philosophy when I was in college. I started taking religion and spirituality classes when I was in high school.

And we live in a country where that kind of religious and spiritual seeking is common. This is America. We're a very religious nation. So this is not weird and no matter how many times people want to act like it's weird that somebody believes in God, weird that somebody tries to live a more forgiving or loving life, I think our public policy could use a little dose of love, a dose of moral and ethical consideration. Nobody should be apologizing for the fact we're trying to figure out and to live in more practical ways and more loving existence.

CABRERA: I can appreciate where you're coming from. We're just -- I was just asking the question about, you know, how that particular book influenced you and how it may influence your vision for the country. That's where I was coming from in my questioning there.

I want to ask you about another article that was prominent this week that I know you took issue with. Of course I'm talking about the Annie Leibovitz "Vogue" photoshoot and the accompanying article that featured all the Democratic women running for president except for you, and here's the version you put out with yourself strategically inserted into the portrait above their heads.

Do you feel like you're not being taken --

WILLIAMSON: No, I did not --

CABRERA: -- seriously or treated as a legitimate candidate? How did this situation make you feel?

WILLIAMSON: Well, first of all, I did not put out that meme. I saw it on the Internet because there are so many memes right now with everything regarding my candidacy, regarding my debate performance, and regarding the Leibovitz. And so when I was doing one of those things on your Instagram where you out -- you post several things, I posted quite a few memes. I just saw that one on the Internet. I have not made any memes about that.

So I saw a meme the one you're talking about, I saw a meme with my fate. Listen, I think all of the women who are running for president are lovely. I have met them all, I have great respect for them all, and "Vogue" magazine did what "Vogue" magazine did. I certainly don't have an issue with any of the women. think it is significant when something like a "Vogue" magazine so clearly implies that only they are qualified. That's definitely a dismissal. But this was not some big thing in my life. And like I said, I'm not the one who made the meme.

CABRERA: Has "Vogue" called you to do a follow-up piece? WILLIAMSON: No.

CABRERA: No. A lot of people know you as Oprah's spiritual adviser. Who are your closest advisers?

WILLIAMSON: Well, first of all, I don't think that I'm Oprah's spiritual adviser any more that I could say that she's been my spiritual adviser like she's been a spiritual adviser in many ways to an entire generation of Americans. I think the fact that she can read someone's book and has been so generous in her support of my book doesn't mean that she sees me as an adviser.

My own advisers, I think, my first and foremost would be my own parents who are no longer with us.

[20:10:06] I think my daughter, my 29-year-old daughter, is certainly someone who I look to for advice. It's a very interesting thing the way that happens as your children become adults themselves. I have close friends. I have close colleagues. You know at a certain point in your life who you want to listen to, who when they text with feedback I want to hear what they have to say. I have those people in my life just like everybody does.

CABRERA: You know you've made it to the national stage when you have "SNL's" Kate McKinnon impersonating you and here's one of her takes on a moment from the debate.


WILLIAMSON: My first call is to the prime minister of New Zealand who said that her goal is to make New Zealand the place where it's the best place in the world for a child to grow up. And I would tell her, girlfriend, you are so on.

KATE MCKINNON, ACTRESS, "SNL": And I said to the president of the New Zealand, I said, girlfriend, you're so on. And I would say to Donald Trump, boyfriend, you chill. Thank you.


CABRERA: We've seen presidents who have embraced impersonations. We've seen Donald Trump who has responded with fury at Alec Baldwin's treatment of him. How did you feel about that?

WILLIAMSON: Listen, I understand. I was laughing. I was down on the floor laughing at some of that stuff as much as the next person was. Kate McKinnon, I was laughing, the memes, I was laughing, and I also understand that some of it is justified. I mean, I've never done that before. Some of my expressions were awkward, but there was substance to what I was saying and I think the people understand that also.

I was talking about the fact that just as New Zealand, the prime minister of New Zealand has said she wants New Zealand to be the best place in the world for a child to grow up, I want the United States to also be the best place in the world for every child here to grow up. So I can laugh. You know, laughter is a good thing. This is democracy. That's cool. I didn't find it was malevolent and we all need to laugh especially since these are such serious times. We can use a good laugh every once in a while.

CABRERA: 2020 candidate and author of the book "The Politics of Love," Marianne Williamson, great to have you with us. I hope you'll come back and continue to share your ideas for the country. Thank you.

WILLIAMSON: Thank you for having me.

CABRERA: Newly leaked cables from the U.K. ambassador to the U.S. are raising questions about the two countries' relationship. They were first published by "The Daily Mail" and span the period between 2017 and today. And they cover everything from the president's foreign policy to his reelection plans.

Now, in the memos, the British ambassador describes President Trump as inept, insecure, and incompetent. Those are quotes.

CNN White House correspondent Boris Sanchez joins us now.

Boris, we have heard now from I know the British government, but have we heard anything from the White House in response?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Ana, no comment yet from the White House on these leaked communications to "The Daily Mail" coming from the U.K.'s top diplomat to the United States. Really an eye-opening perspective on the way that the ambassador views President Trump and this White House. In these communications he calls the White House dysfunctional. He suggests that President Trump, as you said, is inept. He says that his presidency could potentially crash and burn.

He also questions President Trump's perspective on a potential military conflict with Iran. His close relationships with Russians. This really is surprising. As you know, Ana, President Trump is not someone who enjoys criticism. We're expecting a scathing response from him at some point. But he's yet to tweet anything out. This really comes at an awkward time, too, for the relationship between the U.S. and the U.K. considering that President Trump was in the U.K. just a few weeks ago receiving all the pomp and circumstance that comes with a state visit, even joking that the Queen had a great time with him.

So the question as to how President Trump is going to approach a response and whether this could portend to the relationship between the U.S. and the U.K. in a damaging way, that's yet to be seen, Ana.

CABRERA: Now what's the word from the U.K. government?

SANCHEZ: Right, their Foreign and Commonwealth Office put out a statement a short while ago. They're essentially not rebuking what "The Daily Mail" says but saying that the ambassador is doing his job. They write, quote, "The British public would expect our ambassadors to provide ministers with an honest, unvarnished assessment of the politics in their country. Their views are not necessarily the views of ministers or indeed the government, but we pay them to be candid just as the U.S. ambassador here will send back his reading of Westminster politics and personalities."

Again, they're not refuting what the ambassador said in his communications but suggesting that his views do not necessarily align with all of the leadership of the U.K. -- Ana.

CABRERA: OK. Fair enough, Boris Sanchez, thank you. We know you'll let us know as soon as we hear from the president on this. Meantime, we're following a couple of breaking --

SANCHEZ: Eagerly refreshing Twitter. That's right.

CABRERA: Always. Always on Twitter.

OK. A couple of breaking news stories we're following. And take a look at the images right now. This is from Florida, nearly two dozen people injured in a massive explosion at a shopping center there. We'll go live to the scene.

[20:15:05] Plus, California now bracing for more aftershocks after the biggest quake in 20 years. We'll talk to famed seismologist Dr. Lucy Jones about what's next for the state.


CABRERA: We have new information about a major explosion that shattered parts of a Florida shopping center and injured at least 23 people. We're learning 13 of them have been released now from the hospital.

This explosion happened in Plantation, Florida, at a strip small with an L.A. fitness center filled with people doing their Saturday workouts. We still don't know what caused the explosion. The deputy fire chief explained why crews are still searching through the rubble.


BATTALION CHIEF JOEL GORDON, PLANTATION, FLORIDA FIRE DEPARTMENT: During this search, the search teams did not find anybody in the debris. Everybody appears to have been outside at this point. We are still searching the core of the collapse. But so far, no. What we're searching, where the bulk of the debris was, where possibly the center of explosion is.


CABRERA: CNN's Rosa Flores is live near the scene.

Rosa, you've been there all afternoon. I know you've been talking to witnesses who saw this explosion. What are you learning?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Ana, a lot of them saying that it's a miracle that nobody died. One man in particular says that he was about 15 to 20 seconds away when the explosion happened. And he describes it in a surreal way because he says that he was with his children, getting them in the car, ages 8, 6, and 4.

[20:20:06] He had just gotten them in the car, he drove away, he was about 50 yards away when he saw the explosion in the rearview mirror. Take a listen.


JESSE WALASCHEK, WITNESS: My car was parked right in front of the pizza place, directly across from where the place that exploded with the gas leak. Loaded the kids in the car, drove away, and maybe 15 seconds, 50 yards away, and just in my rearview mirror, we just felt the loudest boom that you could probably possibly feel. And I looked in my rearview mirror and it was just a dust cloud. And I just kept driving.


FLORES: The number of injured has been increased to 23. Nineteen of those individuals were transported to the hospital. One of them is a juvenile.

Now I'm standing about 100 yards from where that explosion happened. If you take a look behind me, you -- it's a little dark but you can still see that the debris field is extensive. You see a lot of metal, sheets of metal. I talked to one firefighter who described what he saw when he first arrived as a war zone, because the debris was all over the place, over cars, and of course that the building itself that exploded was more of a shell, almost like a carcass with exposed beams.

Now it is very early in the investigation. We know that the ATF is on scene. They have some of their arson and explosive investigators going through the rubble, trying to figure out exactly why this explosion happened. It's very early, they don't have a cause.

But again, Ana, the good news here is given the aerials that they were able to see and the pictures close up, it's a miracle that no one died.

CABRERA: It is incredible when you look at the damage there.

Rosa Flores, thank you for that update.

Now to the West Coast where people in Southern California are picking up after two massive earthquakes in about 24 hours. And they're trying to be ready just in case there's another one.






CABRERA: This is terrifying. The second massive earthquake in as many days rattling homes, triggering gas fires, and knocking out power in a wide swath of Southern California and into Nevada. The city of Ridgecrest once again right at the spot where the ground shook most violently. The earth hasn't stopped rumbling and rolling there since Thursday. A geologist telling CNN that another major jolt could hit that area at any time.

CNN correspondent Stephanie Elam is in Ridgecrest -- Stephanie.

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ana, considering the magnitude of this earthquake, it is surprising that there's not more damage in this town. Part of the concern when you have an earthquake happen like this is what happens to the pipes, what happens to the gas lines. And that is what is suspected has happened to this home here in town, where it caught on fire shortly after the earthquake hit, in the evening yesterday.

That said, right now what is still very important to understand is that this town is going through, trying to get their buildings assessed, make sure that they're structurally fine, make sure that they are OK to open back up. Most of the businesses that we've seen are closed. A few shops, a few restaurants are open. But for the most part the buildings here are closed right now as they're making those assessments.

The other concern is whether or not there will be more aftershocks of a large magnitude. It is likely that we could see another aftershock in the size of a 6 or so magnitude. And that is strong enough that it could still disrupt some of the buildings here, some of the infrastructure. So that's another concern for people here.

This as the governor, Governor Newsom, making his way down to the area to assess the damage himself, to see what it looks like. He's asked for emergency response to help out the people here in this part of the Mohave Desert. But again, it's still very likely that we will feel more aftershocks here -- Ana.

CABRERA: OK. Stephanie Elam, thank you.

My next guest is a Caltech seismologist who studies the behavior and pattern of earthquakes for the U.S. Geological Survey, Dr. Lucy Jones, joins us now on the phone.

Dr. Jones, you say residents in Southern California could feel aftershocks from this earthquake for days, months, even years. Explain.

DR. LUCY JONES, SEISMOLOGIST, CALTECH: That's correct. If they live near where the earthquake's happening. Aftershocks continue for a long time. A magnitude 7 we usually see a noticeable increase in earthquakes for quite a few years. The biggest aftershock to the Northridge earthquake or the last magnitude 5 to Northridge happened three years after the main shock. So they will be continuing at a lower level than right now.

But we need to remember that this earthquake is quite a long ways from the metropolitan areas and most of Southern California, you know, just south of it, there was no impact to the -- those of us down here in metropolitan L.A. and there's no reason to expect an increased risk for earthquake damage to us.

[20:25:09] CABRERA: So first there was the 6.4 on Fourth of July, now 7.1. We're seeing, you know, learning that the 6.4 was a foreshock to what they believe is the main event. Is this the main event, do you think?

JONES: Probably. At this point -- I mean, every earthquake has some chance of being -- of triggering an aftershock that's bigger than itself and that's what a -- you know, that's how it becomes a foreshock. We change the name when something bigger happens, but it's -- at this point it's not very likely. We're down to just 1 percent or 2 percent chance that we will be followed by something larger.

It's possible, and I would think that there's probably other, at least magnitude 5s and very well have magnitude 6s, that could be part of this sequence. So we shouldn't think it's over with. It's an ongoing sequence happening right now.

CABRERA: Can you describe what a 7.1 magnitude earthquake feels like for people who are on the ground?

JONES: It depends on where you are. For those of us here in Los Angeles, it was a really long rolling motion with no impact. You know, you hear things rattling and you hear the doors and the walls creaking but nothing gets thrown over. If you were in Ridgecrest, it would involve essentially any unsecured objects being thrown through the air. So things are crashing around you. It's why we recommend it's -- a much better thing to do is to try and get under a table than to try to move anywhere because moving puts you in the path of all those flying objects.

CABRERA: Are the damages that we're seeing consistent with what you'd expect from a quake this size from this particular fault?

JONES: Yes. If anything, they're a little on the low side. It suggests that things were built pretty well in Ridgecrest. You know, Ridgecrest is mostly a new town. Really only began in the 1940s by which time we already had the basic earthquake building codes in place. Building codes really do make a difference. There's no older of the -- none of the older structures there.

That said, you know, there's lots of things off of all of the shelves, damage to some buildings. I think the most noticeable thing that we should all learn from is looking at the gas leaks and gas line breaks and the fires that have been caused from that. That's going to be a big problem when one of these earthquakes happens in the metropolitan area instead of in a sparsely inhabited area.

CABRERA: Dr. Lucy Jones, really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you for joining us. JONES: Thank you for having me.

CABRERA: I want to take you overseas now because I don't want you to lose sight of what's happening inside Syria. And despite the promise of a demilitarized zone inside Syria's Idlib Province, relentless -- relentless Syrian government bombings have made a bad situation even worse. We'll take you inside Syria and show you the nightmare that's playing out for residents there, next.


[20:30:52] ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR: A look overseas now. In Syria, where rebel groups are still fighting against the military loyal to that country's president, Bashar al-Assad. One city in Syria, Idlib, remains the last place where rebel groups, including families and children enjoy some degree of safety, even though they see airstrikes and bombings nearly every day.

CNN's Arwa Damon is there. And I have to warn you, some of the images in her report might not be suitable for everyone.


TEXT: The fighter jet is above Jabal al-Zawiya.

ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There's barely enough of a lull for Abu Bakr to talk to us.

TEXT: Sukhoi 22, Mig 23, Sukohoi 22 from Homs in the same area. Warning to all cities and all areas, fighter jet warning.

DAMON: "He hit the village," Abu Bakr tells us, relaying what he just heard on the pilot frequency. Abu Bakr, a former communications officer during his Syrian military service cobbled together this rudimentary set up, to spy on the regime's radio frequencies.

"This one, we modified it to hear the strikes," the pilots, he explains, describing how he uses that information and what spotters on the ground send in to warn people and rescue teams over the walkie talkie radios many now carry. There's no other way to protect the population.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Riza (ph) call on the radio about a plane. They're getting calls now on the radio.

DAMON: These guys in southern Idlib Province, the last rebel's stronghold, feel like they are constantly filled with the menacing war of Syrian regime and Russian fighter jets.

DAMON (on-camera): Let's go.

So, based on what they're hearing, one plane came by and dropped four bombs. Sometimes there's 12 planes at a time that are overhead.

Life, if it can even be called that, is dictated by the bombs.

Early morning lulls mean that the farmers can head out.

He says the barrel bomb fell over here.

Hassan (ph) tells us they came to their field one morning only to find it in flames. When we ask about his feelings, he turns and walks away.

DAMON (voice-over): It's not just about the loss of this year's harvest, it's the overwhelming realization of the price they are paying, the scorched-earth campaign repeatedly targeting Idlib's agriculture, ensuring that people will have nothing to return to, if they ever even can.

The bombings have crushed even more people up against Turkey's border. Over the last few months, hundreds of thousands have fled. There's no room left at the main camps in the province. They cluster under the olive trees in makeshift shelters, even giving birth here.

Or as 88-year-old Maryam (ph) tells us, wishing she had been killed rather than live out the last of her days like this where she doesn't even have a tent.

[20:35:07] Some do venture back south to collect what they've left behind. Their towns and villages mostly abandoned, turned into the front lines.

Trenches are being dug, preparations for a ground war between the regime and hardcore rebel fighters.

In other towns previously bombed, shops reopen under the ruins, an act of sheer defiance or perhaps folly as jets, despite Russian and regime denials, regularly target markets, bakeries, schools, and hospitals.

DAMON (on-camera): Right. There's an ambulance coming in.

DAMON (voice-over): People wounded are rushed into this hospital, the only functioning one in the area. The strike was close by, raising fears that the hospital itself could be targeted again. It's already been hit multiple times before.

Another victim from another bombing is already undergoing surgery, while others in the ICU cling to life.

DAMON (on-camera): He just opened his eyes for the first time about 10 minutes ago after three days of no response.

"My message is help us, that's it," Dr. Basil al-Ahmur (ph) says. We're human beings.

Ranaa (ph) thought she would be able to keep her children safe. They fled their home to another village but it wasn't far enough. Her son's face etched with wounds, hers with a mother's pain too deep for words.

He was pulled out from under the rubble but two of her other children, they were killed. One was 9 and one was five and a half, she tells us, unable to say more.

In the same room, Butayna (ph) looks on helplessly at her son, just 4 years old, injured in the same strikes that day.

Humanitarian organizations warning Syria is on the brink of a nightmare. Those who are living it will tell you that that nightmare began a long time ago. What they're about to enter is an even darker realm, one that defies logic and imagination.


Arwa Damon, CNN, Idlib Province, Syria.



[20:40:54] CABRERA: The next time all the democratic candidates take the debate stage is later this month, July 30th and 31st in Detroit. CNN is hosting this next round.

The current frontrunner, Joe Biden, says if he have the first debate to do over again, he would be more prepared with his positions on race, on desegregation, and busing.

That back and forth between Biden and Senator Kamala Harris on this issue is perhaps the most talked about moment from the first debates.

But it turns out Elizabeth Warren, who wasn't on the stage with Biden and Harris, she debated the first night actually staked out an early position on this very issue.

Our KFile team has been investigating, and Andrew Kaczynski is here with me now. He's the senior editor of CNN's KFile.

And, Andrew, you and your team went way back into Senator Warren's history and found a law review article that she wrote more than 40 years ago, I'm talking about 1975. What does she say in that article and where does it fit into this debate today between Biden and Harris?

ANDREW KACZYNSKI, SENIOR EDITOR, CNN KFILE: Yes, that's right. So this article she wrote in 1975, and it's actually her first article that she ever wrote in a law review. She was a student, Rutgers at the time. She became a law professor after that.

And what's interesting was there was this case in 1973 called Milliken v. Bradley. And that basically made it hard to -- harder to desegregate northern cities through busing. Detroit wanted to do the desegregation plan involving some school districts outside of the city.

And the Supreme Court said that Detroit couldn't do that. And Warren criticized this ruling, saying that basically minorities in urban centers, because of a lack of a tax base, we're going to have inferior schools, and schools regardless of the reason for the separation. Inferior schools like this would need to be condemned by the constitution.

And what's so interesting, when we look at this lot of review from Warren into the greater debate between Harris and Biden, is that it places Biden and Warren very much on opposite sides. Biden was very much on the side of the courts here and actually wanted to go further to limit busing, whereas Warren is on the opposite side.

So you saw Kamala Harris criticizing Biden for it. Warren, on the other hand, was on the other side of that battle at the time.

CABRERA: And that was in 1975, when we talked about -- Biden talked about how he's changed and how time has evolved on a lot of these positions. How popular or common was Elizabeth Warren's position back then?

KACZYNSKI: So Warren sided basically with the dissenting justices in this court opinion. There are polls that show that 75 percent of people were against busing. Her position definitely put her on the opposite side of public opinion and definitely on the opposite side of white suburbanite public opinion, people who were very much against busing. So she was very much on the other side of this argument at the time.

CABRERA: what is she saying today? Is she standing by what she wrote in 1975?

KACZYNSKI: So her campaign stands by what she wrote. What they had told me when she supports this new act called the Strength in Diversity Act in Congress, and that's actually supported by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, which was sort of interesting about their whole exchanges, because their position on busing today is basically the same. They both support this bill in Congress.

Warren supports that bill as well. And her spokeswoman told me that in addition to this, she believes the federal government has a constitutional obligation to step in and to deliver on the promise of Brown versus Board of Education, and that includes busing if necessary.

CABRERA: So interesting. What was then now popular today, in terms of the topics of conversation.

Thank you so much, Andrew Kaczynski, for bringing us that.

We'll be right back.


[20:45:48] CABRERA: New today, Variety Magazine is reporting that Kevin Spacey has been questioned by Scotland Yard about six allegations of sexual assault filed in the U.K.

Now, according to this report, officers interviewed Spacey in May in the U.S. The allegations come from six different men and date between 1996 and 2013. Now, as those investigations continue, Spacey is already scheduled to appear in a Massachusetts courtroom Monday on charges he groped an 18-year-old man in a Nantucket bar in 2016.

From the first silent film to the current blockbusters of today, the history of American cinema is sometimes beautiful, occasionally controversial, but always inspiring.

Tomorrow night, our brand-new CNN original series "The Movies" will delve into the stories behind the movies you love.


RON HOWARD, AMERICAN FILMMAKER: There is still something about being told a story. A movie is something that's been really handcrafted, it's a mosaic that's been carefully pieced together. It just creates this opportunity to totally lose yourself.

MARTIN SCORSESE, AMERICAN FILMMAKER: These images live in our consciousness. It stays in our minds, the way music is recalled in our heads, those images are replayed and we live our lives by them.

[20:50:04] JULIA ROBERTS, AMERICAN ACTRESS: It brings all the elements of all our senses together. There's really nothing else like it.

JON FAVREAU, AMERICAN ACTOR: Even though you're doing something incredibly personal, and in many ways, incredibly selfish, because you're doing something you love so much, and it gets out there in the world, and it could change people's trajectories.

ALEC BALDWIN, AMERICAN ACTOR: When you can go somewhere that you can pretty much guarantee that it sets your worries aside for that period of time. It's like a drug. It's like a drug.

HOLLY HUNTER, AMERICAN ACTRESS: It's just a direct conduit straight into your soul.

MORGAN FREEMAN, AMERICAN ACTOR: I grew up wanting to be the movies. It was all about the movies.

BAZ LUHRMANN, AUSTRALIAN WRITER: Since the dawn of man, we like to get around a fireplace and commune in story together. So we can feel for a few hours that we're human together.


CABRERA: A CNN original series "The Movies" airs tomorrow night at 9:00 Eastern and Pacific right here on CNN.

We'll be right back.


CABRERA: Calling all royal watchers. The photos are here. Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex have just released pictures from the private christening today of their son, Archie.

And CNN's Kate Williams has more. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

[20:55:01] KATE WILLIAMS, CNN ROYAL EXPERT: Well, what a fantastic day it's been here at Windsor, the royal fans, the well-wishers, they've all been out here in force. Champagne corks popping, cakes, and all for one tiny baby. Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor christened in a private ceremony in Windsor Castle.

Now, we didn't have any pictures when they were arriving or leaving. It was made very clear to us this was going to be a private ceremony and we wouldn't get any details of godparents. And there has been some controversy about this, some comments in the newspapers saying, look, we fund them, we fund the $3 million renovations of their property, we should see the baby.

But then at about 4:15 our time, 11:15 Eastern, we got two photos arrived on the Sussex royal Instagram, and they're really lovely photos. One quite formal photograph of the family in the Green Drawing at Windsor Castle. Meghan, Harry, and Archie in the center. Also Prince Charles, the Duchess of Cornwall, Mrs. Doria Ragland, Meghan's mother, and William and Kate were also there, and a very lovely touch, Diana, her two sisters.

Diana, of course, cannot be there but her sisters were there representing her. And the other photo with this black-and-white shot of the new family, Harry, Meghan, and Archie together. A really sweet photo.

And, of course, this is our first chance to get a look at what Archie really looks like. Very cute and a baby that's going to be, I would say one of the most famous children in the world christened today here at Windsor.

Kate Williams, CNN, Windsor.


CABRERA: And on that happy note, I'll say good night. Thank you for being here. I'm Ana Cabrera.

Up next is the CNN original series "The Eighties." Good night.