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Second Quake Hits Ridgecrest Friday Night; Possible Citizenship Question on Census Examined; Replay of Portion of Biden Interview; CNN "The Movies" Preview. Aired 8-9a ET

Aired July 6, 2019 - 08:00   ET


JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: Good Saturday morning, everyone. I'm Jessica Dean in for Christi Paul.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN HOST: I'm Victor Blackwell. Good to be with you. A second earthquake has rocked southern California. This one hit near Ridgecrest last night at 7.1 magnitude. That is 11 times stronger than the one that hit the day before.

DEAN: It knocked out power and rattled items off store shelves. Watch what it was like to be right in the middle of it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get under the table's. Get under the tables -- [ bleep ] oh, my God.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was a bad one. This is so bad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front door came open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's OK. It's OK, just hold on. Hold on. Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a big one.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is bad, Brian(ph). Oh. Oh, my God.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God. Holy [ bleep ]. Holy.


DEAN: Very scary. But thankfully, there have been no reports of deaths or serious injuries. The epicenter of that quake missed the major cities in the region. But still, thousands are waiting for the return of power and water services. And the USGS said this will likely be a billion dollar disaster. BLACKWELL: So, we're getting video in throughout the night. And we

just got this in from a grocery store in Ridgecrest. One of the employees recorded this just seconds after that 7.1 quake hit. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Evacuate the store.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody okay?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Evacuate the store please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got to go out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you get hurt?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I'm just scared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is everybody okay?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go to the front of the store and evacuate please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm trying to see if anybody is hurt. The air is really thick. Dusty. This is a bad one. This must be the one that -- it's got to be at least 7.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody here? Anybody in here? Brian(ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another aftershock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep going outside, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see, let me help you if somebody is hurt, all right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, man, let me help, plus I want to get some video.

[bleep ].

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're sorry, (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's shaking. It's shaking again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody out there? Get out of the store please, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Evacuate the store.


(END VIDEO) BLACKWELL: Yes, so at least from what we saw there no major injuries. We heard that there are some people with scrapes and bruises we'll get those reports throughout the night. But what you could hear are the bottles and jars rattling.

DEAN: Yes.

BLACKWELL: As those aftershocks continue to hit.

DEAN: And you see how disorienting something like that is when you're kind of trying to figure out is somebody hurt and what's happening and are things broken or anything like that.

BLACKWELL: So the severity of the quake has forced the California governor to issue a state of emergency in Ridgecrest and San Bernardino County. CNN National Correspondent Sara Sidner is in Ridgecrest, California. Let me ask you, you've been there all night. We have a count of the aftershocks. How many have you felt?

SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We felt probably three, one particularly strongly and really these aftershocks, it really depends on where you are.


Our producer, Jason was walking he didn't feel it. I'm in the car and you could feel the car moving back and forth and our photographer, Ty, also could also could feel it moving back and forth. It just kind of depends where you are with some of these but definitely, we felt three strong enough to where we all recognize that an earthquake was happening. I do want to give you a sense of what's going on in this neighborhood here. See this house that has been burned all the way through and the cars as well burned through. This was fully engulfed a few hours ago. It did happen after the earthquake and we have now seen firefighters coming back in to make sure there are no hot spots. They've gone all throughout this house.

There have also people in this neighborhood who have come by shining lights in different places, to make sure people are safe, that there are no looters and that this neighborhood is secure right now. I do want to mention to you that the firefighters don't know at this time the official cause of this particular fire here. They said that they were fighting three different fires after that 7.1 earthquake hit. Many of them do believe that it may have something to do with the earthquake. They're not 100 percent sure and one of the big things everybody has been warned about is the gas line.

They always try to tell people, look, if there is an earthquake, the first thing you need to be thinking about after you make sure that you and your family are safe and the shaking stops to make sure to turn off the gas line if you can because those are the things that tend to erupt, sometimes they explode, sometimes, they cause fires. We will try to get more information to you as to what caused the three fires that they were battling here in Ridgecrest tonight.

I actually happened to be in Los Angeles, where you could certainly feel this quake. You could feel it as far as Mexico or as north as Sacramento. One thing that has been said over and over again is that we're going to get strong aftershocks. We have already felt strong aftershocks and people need to be prepared.

DEAN: Yes, good advice.


JEFF MCLAUGHLIN, CHIEF OF RIDGECREST POLICE: I would probably start taking some stuff off the walls if it's not already down in high places. Make sure you're not sleeping under something that's still hung up. And we can't forget about the pets. The pets are extremely nervous during this time frame. And make sure you have plenty of supplies when the stores are open. And things like that. Make sure that you are stocking up, just in case, that we have something bigger than we had today. And, you know -- stuff starts crumbling. And these stores can't get back open. We need to make sure that, you know, if we can't get to you right away, you have to be able to take care of yourself for a period of time. So, I know that we all preach that we need to be prepared. And I know it's difficult, we always say we will but now is the time. So, prepare yourself. Especially for the next, I would say, week, two weeks.


SIDNER: The reason why he's saying week, two weeks is because the aftershocks will be going at that time. They will still be happening. We don't know how big they are going to be. A very high likelihood they will be 5 or more at some times. And those definitely give you a significant shake. I want to give you some idea just what this earthquake means. It is a major earthquake at a 7.1.

For those folks that remember what happened in 1994 during the North Ridge Quake. And those pictures were devastating. Lots of people died. There was extreme damage around the epicenter of that. That was a 6.7. And in the Loma Prieta quake which was 1989, it happened in northern California area, the San Francisco Bay area, that was a 6.9. This is a 7.1, a very large earthquake but it did not happen in a largely populated area and that may be the key to so far no major injuries, no fatalities. Victor, Jessica.

BLACKWELL: Sara Sidner for us there in Ridgecrest. Thank you for that context. It's important because there's a lot of people who are experiencing this and have not experienced a 6.5, 7.1 in the last 20 years because there hasn't been one in southern California.

DEAN: Yes. Well, we want to talk now with chef Tim Kilcoyne he witnessed a mobile home fire after this latest quake. He's been in Ridgecrest since the first round of earthquakes Thursday as the organization, World Central Kitchen, helps feed those affected, as well as first responders. Chef joins us from Ridgecrest. Thanks so much for being with us. Tell us what you've been seeing.

TIM KILCOYNE, CHEF AT WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN: So, you know, it's been -- right now, it's still lots of aftershocks coming.


When we got on the ground, we started assessing the situation, seeing, you know, where meals were need for first responders like you mentioned as well as Red Cross shelters. At the time, yesterday mid afternoon, the shelters, there was zero people in the shelter, everybody had gone back home after the earthquake from the day before. The 6.4. and the 7.1 hit last night and that was, I mean, at the time I was in my hotel room getting ready for today to be able to come and start some meals and everything for everybody. And, you know, myself and my team, we got, you know, thrown around, had to exit the hotel. You know, a few hours later, we got a call from Red Cross there was 120 - 130 people that were in the shelter at that point. So, you know, it was -- it was definitely a big one.

BLACKWELL: So there has been a need since the most recent quake. How many people, if you're keeping count, have you served since you arrived for I guess the 4th of July quake?

KILCOYNE: So, we actually arrived yesterday afternoon to start. Today was going to be our first day serving, you know. In the beginning, after the 6.4, everything seems kind of under control. In talking to the DOC here and Red Cross, there didn't necessarily seem to be the need for us to come out right away. However, they were anticipating and potentially expecting a large, you know, what we thought aftershock, or, you know, what turned out to be a larger earthquake. So, they kind of kept us at bay, you know, kind of ready to activate if need be.


KILCOYNE: But yesterday morning, talked to them and they said you should come out, even if it's a small number that's in the shelter, we can help out and everything. We came out this way to activate. You know, we're here on ground and it's a good timing that we are here.

BLACKWELL: Well, we are certainly glad that you are there doing good work for people who need you. We heard there are people who are afraid to go back into their homes and they're going to need somewhere where they can get help or sustenance or a good meal. Chef Tim Kilcoyne thanks so much for being with us this morning.

KILCOYNE: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Experts say there is a significant threat that not only will there be more aftershocks; we know that's happening. But there could be a stronger -- something stronger than 7.1 in the next couple of days. We'll talk about that, next.



DEAN: A second major earthquake has now rocked southern California. This one hitting near Ridgecrest last night at a 7.1 magnitude.

BLACKWELL: Eleven times stronger than the one that hit the day before. Let's go to meteorologist Ivan Cabrera. So there have been, I'm told by my producers, more than 200 aftershocks since the 7.1 hit. Understand -- help us understand, I should say, what people can expect over the next couple of days.

IVAN CABRERA, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Thousands more aftershocks. Now, we're not talking about, Victor, good morning, as far as 5.0, 6.0 intensity, those will diminish as far as their intensity and frequency, but nevertheless, we are still not done with moving the earth underneath us when you get something like a 7.1 which is by the way as you've been mentioning, 11 times stronger. That's the equivalent of 45 Hiroshima bombs. So we're talking about significant energies. That's what we know. I want to talk about what we don't know because I think that is key as well.

So here's our main quake, which by the way we thought the 6.4 was. But, no, that was a foreshock and that is a very high number for a foreshock. So, 7.1, the chances of getting something stronger than 7.1 are 4 percent. Nobody is going to be able to tell you if that's going to happen and I think that that is what folks are afraid of here. It seems like a low number but it's pretty high when you talk about earthquakes here. I mean that's much higher than the lottery, right?

So here's what you can expect with a 7.1, anything after 6, oh we've already had that. An average of one and then it just gets worse and worse. I think anything after five when you have structures that have been compromised, that's when you start getting into additional damage here. As far as the 4.0s and then something below that, that's just going to make people very nervous but not produce any significant additional damage.

All right, so here's our 6.4, here's our 7.1, only 34 hours apart and 7 miles away from each other and that was along essentially a fault line that we have been tracking. This one going this way and then we have another one going the other way. Nothing to do with the San Andreas fault as we widen out. That's the one that we're of course always talking about, that's the one people are familiar with and it's this one right here that is under San Francisco and into L.A., as well.

That will not be impacted, right? So they're not related but it's not like this fault or this earthquake is going to trigger earthquakes along the other fault line. It doesn't work that way so we don't have to worry about that. But this area here is going to continue to see aftershocks, some of which could be significant, over 6.0, and that in itself is an earthquake which could cause additional significant damage across the area. Guys.

BLACKEWLL: All right, Ivan Cabrera on top of it for us. Ivan, thank you.

CABRERA: You bet.

BLACKWELL: Thousands of people after the earthquakes are now without power. A lot of them are afraid to stay in their homes on Friday night. Coming up, a look inside a store that is staying open, despite this heavy damage. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


DEAN: It has been a difficult 48 hours for people in Ridgecrest, California, near the epicenter of two earthquakes this week. While no deaths have been reported, multiple fires broke out, homes swayed, foundations cracked and many are without power.

BLACKWELL: Ridgecrest's mayor says there are a lot of people who are choosing to spend time with neighbors outside on the sidewalks and the driveways because they're afraid to go back into their homes.


BRETT TANNER, RIDGECREST RESIDENT: It's been a little crazy in the last 24 hours but we happened to all be outside. We live on acreage kind of overlooking the town and we were all outside just letting the grandkids play and the cars just started dancing and the dogs were freaking out. The cattle behind us were going nuts and it's just been everybody standing outside since.


BLACKWELL: With us from Ridgecrest, the epicenter of this earthquake, CNN National Correspondent Camila Bernal.

DEAN: Camila, you're outside Ridgecrest Regional Hospital. Tell us what you you're seeing and hearing there this morning.

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey Victor, Jessica, good morning. So, this hospital actually was evacuated on July 4th around the time that 6.4 quake hit. Some of the patients were transferred out to other hospitals. Today what they're doing, they're having tents outside and they're having some personnel, some paramedics and some doctors outside; minimal assistance. They're saying only come here if you really have an emergency. So that is sort of what's going on at the hospital.

They're still evaluating and assessing the damage in terms of the structural damage here at the hospital. A lot of people trying to sleep in their cars overnight as you guys mentioned, just staying outside. That's what we tried to do overnight. We tried to sleep a couple hours overnight. We were in the car but it's hard to sleep because of the fact there's so many aftershocks. The second we were in the car trying to sleep, you begin to feel that car rattling and swaying from side to side. It's just the power of those aftershocks, the power of that 7.1 earthquake. And just to put things in perspective, we were in our hotel room when it happened around at around 8:20 yesterday and we just began to feel the earth sort of moving underneath you, the ground moving and you begin to see the shelves, the drawers just open, the books falling. I ran toward the window just to take a look outside.

The pool had waves. It was overflowing and then you begin to see those fires that started so it was just a very scary situation. Everybody then running outside. Everybody making sure that everyone was OK and asking, "How are you doing? Are you OK?" So it was just a very scary thing. A lot of the residents staying here and telling me that the first thing they did was just grab their children and the scariest thing is that they still don't know if things are going to get worse.

DEAN: All right, Camila Bernal for us, thanks so much for that update. Effects of the 7.1 quake were felt far and wide in Los Angeles. It wasn't just the cheering fans that shook up Dodger Stadium. More on that, next.


DEAN: Good morning, we continue to follow the breaking news out of California after a powerful 7.1 magnitude earthquake rocked the city of Ridgecrest. Officials say there have been no reports of any deaths. But thousands of people are now without water and power.

There have been fires, foundations cracked. City's mayor says the people are really not -- they don't feel safe, I should say, sleeping outside of their homes there because they're not sure about the integrity of their homes.


A second quake to hit the area in just two days, there have been more than 500 aftershocks since that 7.1 hit about 6.5 hours ago. The second quake to hit the area in just two days. On Thursday, a 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck that same area.

Breaking overnight, a naval air station -- naval air weapons station, I should way, near the epicenter of the earthquake is, quote, "not mission capable until further notice." Nonessential personnel have been ordered to evacuate the facility, as damage inspections are carried out.

DEAN: Authorities tell us security protocols are in place and the safety of the staff is the highest priority. We'll have more updates on this as we get more information.

Meantime, last night's earthquake was felt by the sports world, too. CNN's sports correspondent Vince Cellini was here. It was shaking out in Los Vegas.

VINCE CELLINI: Yes and in Los Angeles, obviously. Can you imagine being at a ball game, and you have your popcorn and your drink and then all of a sudden that happens. Because of all of the cameras at sporting events, we really got good visuals of the moment the quake happened from several venues. Let's take a look.

This is at Dodger Stadium, 120 miles away from the epicenter. You see the cameras visibly shaking when the quake struck. Incredibly the Padres and Dodgers are playing through this. It seems like the players don't even notice that anything had happened. Here's Dodger pitcher Clayton Kershaw and what he said afterwards.


CLAYTON KERSHAW, DODGERS PITCHER: I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it a bit. Maybe I was - I don't know. Everybody was telling me about it and - excuse me -- I was underneath in the tunnel and I heard the crowd kind of go crazy but I had no idea what was going on until somebody told me.


CELLINI: As mentioned, Las Vegas, 150 miles east. The NBA decides to postpone three Summer League games because of the quake. Massive scoreboard and speakers inside the MGM Grand arena were seen swaying perilously over the court. One player said he brought the ball up the floor when it happened and it felt like somebody was pushing him on the hip, shoving him over. Thankfully, fans inside generally kept their calm and were able to leave in an orderly fashion.

Also in Las Vegas, the UFC celebrating its hall of fame ceremony this weekend. Check out the reaction from Rashad Evans when that quake hit.


RASHAD EVANS, UFC HALL OF FAMER: You know, it paved the way for my -- oh, it was an earthquake? Oh, man. I feel it. Yes. Whoo. Okay, earthquake, baby.


CELLINI: Earthquake, baby, indeed. That will get your attention even if you're trying to get your point across at a press conference. You can see all of these sports events. It's interesting, you're there, you're an observer then you're a participant.

DEAN: That's true. That's true.

BLACKWELL: Everyone is in front of a camera. Vince Cellini, thanks so much.


DEAN: We're going to have more on the breaking news overnight of the 7.1 magnitude earthquake that rocked Ridgecrest, California including some new video of that moment the quake hit.

BLACKWELL: Also, we want to bring you the CNN exclusive. Former Vice President Joe Biden sits down for a wide-ranging interview with Chris Cuomo and pushes back on criticism of his record on race. That interview is next.


DEAN: A federal judge in Maryland said an immigrant rights group can move forward with its lawsuit against the Trump Administration after Justice Department lawyers said they're still looking for a way to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. Meanwhile, an administration official says right now the census will be printed without the controversial question. But an executive order or a potential addendum to the questionnaire are two options President Trump says he's now exploring. CNN White House reporter Sarah Westwood is in Berkley Heights, New Jersey this morning. Sarah, good morning to you. What are we hearing from the administration on this front?

SARAH WESTWOOD, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Jessica. President Trump is still fighting to have that citizenship question added to the census, even though the Commerce Department is saying it's going to go ahead and print those forms without including that question. Sources tell CNN that behind the scenes President Trump is frustrated with the way members of his team, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross have handled the controversy over the addition of that question to the census.

Despite the Supreme Court rejecting the administration this week on the basis of its rationale for adding this question, President Trump is still personally invested in seeing it added to the census, arguing that it's needed for districting and for the allocation of taxpayer dollars. Listen to the president defending it yesterday.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We need it for many reasons. Number one, you need it for Congress. You need it for Congress for districting. You need it for appropriations. Where are the funds going? How many people are there? Are they citizens? Are they not citizens? We need it for many reasons.


WESTWOOD: Now, the lawyers for the Justice Department told a court yesterday that they are still exploring options for pursuing the addition of this question. President Trump said yesterday also that he's considering an executive order to still get the citizenship query added to the census. Keep in mind, the Supreme Court didn't say there's no scenario in which the administration could add this question, but they rejected the administration's case based on the current rationale.

If they can come up with a new justification for adding this question, perhaps the equation would change. Although critics say it's unlikely that will happen. Earlier this week, President Trump created a bit of confusion when he tweeted that he is refusing to back down from the battle to get citizenship included on the census, after Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said, Victor and Jessica that he was going to go ahead and print the census forms.

DEAN: All right, Sarah Westwood, live from New Jersey. Thanks so much. And a CNN exclusive, Former Vice President Joe Biden sat down with Chris Cuomo for a wide-ranging interview and bidden made some bold predictions. One of them being that the re-election of Donald Trump would mean the end of NATO. Biden also pushed back on criticism from fellow 2020 democrats about his record on race.

(BEGIN VIDEO) CUOMO: I was talking with you and Jill, you said you were expecting to have a target on your back, but the intensity of some of it, did you see the questions about your past positions from the perspective of race being as relevant as they are?

BIDEN: No. And I don't think they're relevant because they're taken out of context. What I didn't see is people who know me, I mean, they know me well. It's not just like somebody out of the blue and didn't know anything. But it's so easy to go back and go back 30 or 40, 50 years take a context and take it completely out of context. And I mean you know, I get all of this information about other people's past and what they've done and not done. You know, I'm just not going to go there. If we keep doing that, I mean, what we should debate what we do from here. For example, this whole thing about race and bussing, well I think if you take a look, our positions aren't any different as we're finding out.

CUOMO: Senator Harris who said she sees it as a tool, not a must in all circumstances.

BIDEN: Yes, well, look at my record.

CUOMO: I don't think busing is about policy, Mr. Vice President.

BIDEN: No, it's not.

CUOMO: I think it was about principle. When you look back at your record on it, you were not in favor of busing. It was a different time, there were different applications. Why not just own it and say I was against it but now I've changed.

BIDEN: I was in favor of busing that was de jure bussing, that is if a court ruled that there was a law passed there's circumstance that a county, a city, a state did that prevented black folks from being somewhere, then that's wrong; you should bus. I even went so far in the middle of that busing controversy by saying, I'd use helicopters if that was necessary to make the point and really got in a town meeting that got very hot. But what the issue is now is for example and it was then, voluntary bussing, we supported it. We supported it then and by the way, Barak and I as President and Vice President, we provided money for voluntary bussing if cities wanted to do it.

CUOMO: I'm not questioning any of that. I'm saying that when you look back in the '70s, you said, "I think busing doesn't work. It's an asinine concept." You tried to pass bills that weren't for it.

BIDEN: By the way, busing did not work. You had overwhelming response from the African-American community in my state. My state is the eighth largest black population in the country as a percent of population. They did not support it. They did not support it. Look, the question is how do you equalize education in every area? And I put forward the most aggressive plan to do that and I've been pushing it a long time. For example, Title 1 schools, schools of disadvantaged, I proposed we go from $15 billion a year to $45 billion year. We should bring people in, and have preschool from 3, 4, 5, years old before kindergarten. We should have, look, every child out there - every child out there is capable but they live in circumstances that make it difficult. From the time they get to school, they've heard 3 or 4 million fewer words spoken; they're at a disadvantage.

CUOMO: I totally accept all of that.

BIDEN: That's number one, but number two, the idea right now is 65 out of 100 jobs in the study I did for the president point out you need something beyond a high school degree.

CUOMO: That's true.

BIDEN: So what are we doing? We're sitting around here as if it's an insolvable problem.

CUOMO: I get it on the policy. I never have viewed the bussing back and forth in that debate as about policy or application of how to affect civil rights. It's about consistency and proving if you'll be better than what we're dealing with now in the White House which is people won't tell the truth about things. If bussing didn't work, then it made sense that you weren't for it back then but why say you were for it? Why not just be straight about it and move on.

BIDEN: Because there's three different pieces. I was for voluntary busing, number one. I was for busing where the court showed that in fact a legislative body took an action preventing black folks from going to a school. That is de jure - I know you know - de jure segregation. The difficult piece is this is 50 years ago, people don't understand the contest.

The third one is do you have an administration through their nonelected officials, department of housing, decide every school should be equally balanced across the board? That's a different issue. And the way to deal with that problem is what I did from the time I was a kid. I got out of law school, came back, had a great job, and became a public defender. I fought for putting housing -- low income housing in suburbia. I talked about eliminating the red line. I talked about school districts should be consolidated in ways that made sense so in fact...


CUOMO: Why didn't you fight it like this in the debate?

BIDEN: In 30 seconds? Hey, come on.

CUOMO: What happens most in a debate, Mr. Vice President, people blow their time queue. You've the only person I've ever seen on a debate stage say, "I'm out of time."

BIDEN: Well, we never had a place where you have 30 seconds, man. What I didn't want to do is get in that scrum. Do you think the American public looked at that debate take me out of it. I thought, "Boy, I really - I really like the way that's being conducted. They're really showing themselves to do really well." Come on, man.

CUOMO: But they're going to come after you.

BIDEN: Sure they're going to come after me.

CUOMO: Were you prepared for them to come after you?

BIDEN: I was prepared for them to come after me but I wasn't prepared for the person coming at me the way she came at me. She knew Beau(ph), she knows me. I don't - anyway - I - but here's the deal and what I do know and it's the good and bad news. The American people think they know me and they know me. Since that occurred, I had the most sought-after endorsement for the mayor of Atlanta, a black woman, who is a great leader, Mayor Bottoms, endorse me. I've had numerous members of the Black Caucus endorse me.

CUOMO: Are you worried about the polls slipping with African- Americans after the debate?

BIDEN: No, no, these folks just came. I'm making the point to you, I don't see it. People know who I am. I don't believe there's anybody out there that believes that I have anything other than a keen and consistent interest in making sure every child -- these are all our children.

CUOMO: Here's a tough - here's the question, did you rewatch the debate?

BIDEN: No, I didn't.

CUOMO: Why not.

BIDEN: Well, I didn't have an opportunity to rewatch it and besides my measure is how people react outside -- getting on a train, getting on a plane, walking through an airport, walking in a parade, just going to the grocery store. I've got no sense, I really mean it - no sense...

CUOMO: Here's a question for democrats. They need a warrior, okay? Because not to aggrandize, not to lionize, but this president knows how to fight in the ring one-on-one. Kamala Harris is friendly fire. Cory Booker is friendly fire. How can democrats have confidence that you can take on the biggest and the baddest when you're having trouble sparring in party?

BIDEN: I don't think I'm having trouble sparring. It's how you want to spar. Look, I'm the guy at the time everybody talks about things that are changed. I took on same-sex marriage. I took on a whole range of issues. I took on arms control. I took on dealing with Russia with the arms control agreement. I took on Putin in terms of Iraq - I mean, excuse me in terms of what was going on in Ukraine. I've taken on these leaders around the world. I'm the guy that's gone in and I've taken on all of these leaders. I mean, this is ironic. I've never been accused of being -- not being able to spar. I've been accused of being too aggressive.


DEAN: Joe Biden there with Chris Cuomo.

A powerful 7.1 magnitude earthquake rocks the city of Ridgecrest overnight; homes on fire, cracked foundations, and several residents sleeping on the streets because they're afraid to be inside. We have continuing coverage of California's largest earthquake in two decades. That's next.



DEAN: Starting tomorrow, the all-new CNN original series "The Movies" will explore American cinema through the decade, showcasing the biggest Hollywood stars and pivotal moments in film.

BLACKWELL: So Dana Bash spoke with Alan Ruck, he played Cameron Frye in the iconic 1980s movie, "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." Here's their conversation.


DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Joining me now, a man who helped make that movie and '80s classic, Alan Ruck. He played the anxious best friend, Cameron Frye. All of us, of course, can never forget that. You know, it's hard to believe this. It's been more than 30 years since "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" was released. What do you think made those characters so memorable?

ALAN RUCK, ACTOR: I think it was all John. I think it was all John Hughes and basically the respect he had for kids. And I think he just tapped into the reality that at any age, at 15 or 45 or 75 we're all complete human beings and we have hopes and dreams and fears and it's all valid. So, he never, in his writing, he never talked down to the kids or held them up to ridicule.

BASH: I just learned this, you were almost 30 years old when "Ferris Bueller" came out and I read that you were on Broadway with Matthew Broderick doing "Biloxi Blues" I believe it was, and John Hughes discovered you.

RUCK: Well, I had actually met John a couple of years before in Chicago. He was going to make "The Breakfast Club" as a little indy, and I auditioned for him during that time and he met Molly Ringwald then and he wrote "Sixteen Candles" for her over a weekend.

BASH: Wow.

RUCK: And he put "The Breakfast Club" on the back burner.

BASH: I'm just curious, who did you audition for in "The Breakfast Club"?

RUCK: Bender.

BASH: Bender?

RUCK: Yes, for the Jed Nelson part. Go figure, but anyway.

BASH: OK, all right. I will spare you the Bender quotes that I have in my head right now. So Alan, you know analysts in this series that CNN is doing picked up on how John Hughes, who you talked about, had such a way of showcasing the teenage and high school experience, making them a real person but also teenage angst. Listen to what we heard in the documentary.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He got deep into the Alan Ruck character. And Matthew's character was the wise fool but Alan Ruck was troubled by this evil father. That was really moving.


BASH: So take us behind the scenes. Did you have those conversations with him about what he wanted from that character? Was it obvious from the script? What was it like to be in a John Hughes film like that?

RUCK: He gave me the picture of Edvard Munch's, "The Scream," you know that famous painting.

BASH: Really, of course.

RUCK: And he said, "This is Cameron." So that was my first big clue as to the direction we were heading. So it was little hints -- little hints like that that he would throw at me, as I recall.

BASH: Yes, well, whatever it was, you know, obviously, the hints and the way that it came out worked so perfectly because as a child of the '80s, I can relate to that and so many John Hughes films. I joked with you before this that John Hughes helped raise me and so many of my friends at the time.


And speaking of the '80s. Want to do a speed round, trivia round?

RUCK: I'll do my best.

BASH: All right. "Back to the Future", Marty McFly is sent back to what year?

RUCK: 1950 -- 5?

BASH: Wow, that was amazing. That was amazing. OK, speed round, who sang the "Ghostbusters" theme song?

RUCK: Ray...

BASH: Parker, Jr. You got it. You had it. I'm going to give you that one. What E.T.'s favorite candy, Skittles or Reese's Pieces?

RUCK: Reese's Pieces. BASH: Yes, obviously that was an easy one. Well done. Well, thank

you for helping us talk about our series. I also should note that you were in the TV show, "Succession" on HBO. The next season is coming out at the end of the summer. I can't wait for that.

RUCK: OK, thank you.

BASH: Alan Ruck, thank you so much.

RUCK: My pleasure, bye bye.


DEAN: The all new CNN original series, "The Movies" premiers tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. only on CNN.

BLACKWELL: And we're continuing to follow the breaking news in California. There have been more than 500 aftershocks since the 7.1 magnitude quake hit seven hours ago. Coming up, we'll take you live to the town of Ridgecrest, the epicenter of the major quake.