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[16:00:37] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello again, everyone. Thanks so much for being with me this Sunday. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

Congratulations are pouring in for the U.S. women's national soccer team after they captured their fourth World Cup trophy defeating the Netherlands 2-0. That historic moment being celebrated by U.S. presidents, past and president. President Trump tweeting, "Congratulations to the U.S. women's soccer team on winning the World Cup. Great and exciting play. America is proud of you all."

And this from former president Barack Obama. "Yes, fourth star back- to-back. Congrats to the record breakers on the U.S. women's national team. An incredible team that's always pushing themselves and the rest of us to be even better. Love this team. #onenationoneteam."

CNN Sports Anchor, Amanda Davies joining me right now. So she was inside the stadium in Lyon, France. Describe the atmosphere and what the players are saying.

AMANDA DAVIES, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Oh, Fredricka, don't be fooled. It's gone a bit quiet here by the stadium now, but a few miles away, the center of Lyon, it is just getting started, the party. As Megan Rapinoe has put it, sunglasses season is about to start. They are expecting a late night.

That is how you make history. It is so well deserved this celebration. A fourth World Cup title. Four out of eight times in the history of the tournament the USA have gone home as champions. They've scored a record 26 goals along the way. Conceded just three and as you saw there become just the second side to successfully retain their crown, do it back-to-back. There is no doubt they are now absolutely deservedly the top ranked side in the world.

I think it's fair to say, though, (INAUDIBLE) aside, they didn't have it all their own way. They were billed as the overwhelming favorites but the Dutch did their bit. They turned it into a match. There were a few nervy moments but ultimately, they showed, the Team USA, what has made them the best of the best in recent times.

And who else was it going to be but Captain Fantastic, Megan Rapinoe, who was going to step up and score the penalty that broke the deadlock just after the hour mark. She's written as many headlines off the pitch as she has done on it over the last few weeks. But she thrives in this scenario. We know she loves to lead from the front. She also takes home the Golden Boot which is for the tournament's top scorer.

But, you know, she's made headlines in terms of the equal pay debate. She's got into that Twitter war of words with President Donald Trump. She's criticized World Football's governing body for their fixture class today, the day of the final. And afterwards she really underlined the point that this tournament was far more for her and her teammates than just about taking the trophy home.


MEGAN RAPINOE, U.S. WOMEN'S NATIONAL SOCCER TEAM PLAYER: We've done exactly what we have set out to do. We've done exactly what we want to do. We say what we feel. All of us really. I know that my, you know, voice sometimes is louder, but, you know, in meeting rooms and conversations, and everybody is in this together. We are such a proud and strong and defiant group of women. I don't think we have really anything to say.


DAVIES: Such a proud, strong together group of women who really had taken their lead from the class of '99, the team of '99. You saw these ladies collect their trophy with shirts already printed with "19 and champions" written on them.

You suspect, Fredricka, that for years to come, this will now be the team that is talked about as the benchmark. The ladies who took women's football the next step forward.

WHITFIELD: And then, Amanda, you know, now this decision of mediation as, you know, these ladies have been trying to level the playing field on pay. You know, and the discrepancies. What's the sequence of this, you know, possible mediation that might bring all of these sides together?

DAVIES: Yes, there's no doubt that this is a huge issue and a huge moment, even as the team were on the pitch today.

[16:05:01] We heard the crowds chanting "equal pay." It has made a really big impact. And the whole tournament has been played with this lawsuit bubbling in the background despite the best efforts from the team at the first press conference even. It was the first question that was asked ahead of the USA's first game against Thailand. You know, how much of an impact will this issue have on your performances on the pitch in terms of the pressure that you are under.

Alex Morgan very much played it down. She says, it's an important issue but it's one that we've put in a box for now. We will pick it up later. But there's no doubt that there's been the feeling that another win, another World Cup crown was only going to help this cause. And the argument here, of course, is that the U.S. women's national team have filed a lawsuit against their own governing body, U.S. Soccer. They are arguing that they, as women, get paid just 38 percent of a

male player meeting the same criteria. And that is even before you take into account the success on the pitch. The fact that the women have won four Olympic golds, now four World Cups, at the top ranked side in the world. The men have never made it past the quarterfinal of the World Cup since the 1930s.

So what is going to happen in due course is that mediation will be taking place between the two sides. That in itself is a very big step. But we should not be surprised that within minutes of this team claiming this record fourth women's World Cup, a statement was issued. It said this. "At this moment of tremendous pride for America, the sad equation remains all too clear. Americans will not stand for it anymore. These athletes generate more revenue. They garner higher TV ratings but get paid less simply because they are women. It is time for the federation to correct this disparity once and for all."

The counterbalance to this is that it's a business decision. Things can't simply click fingers and be equaled. However, when you look at what has happened, the numbers in terms of trophies won, the attention gathered over the last couple of weeks, the TV audiences, the revenue generated, it is very, very hard to continue with this argument.

WHITFIELD: Yes, and the dollars and cents. I mean. it's astounding. A woman, you know, on the team winning a Cup can look at $90,000 per player. But for the men, if they were to win the Cup, $500,000 per player. Huge difference. And like you said, the women have now won four and the men are still in pursuit of that one World Cup. And we celebrate the men and the women, but, you know, big difference in the numbers when you break it down like that.

Amanda Davies, thank you so much.

All right. Still ahead, Joe Biden doing something many had been calling on him to do for weeks. Apologize for his comments that he made recently about how he worked with segregationists years ago. How his 2020 competitors are reacting, next.


[16:11:54] WHITFIELD: An apology. It's something Joe Biden's rivals have been calling on him to do for weeks. At issue his recent comments about his ability to work with segregationists in the Senate back in the 1970s. The Democratic frontrunner now saying he regrets how he made those comments.


JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again? Yes, I was. I regret it. And I'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception I may have caused anybody.


WHITFIELD: Fellow Democratic candidates are also responding, including Senator Cory Booker.


SEN. CORY BOOKER (D-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm frustrated that it took so long. But I am grateful for him doing this. And we should all -- I mean, we can't have a culture where -- we can't have a leader that can't stand up and say, I've been imperfect, I've made mistakes, and I apologize.

So I'm sorry we had to go through all this. I'm sorry at one point he tried to shift blame to me, but this -- I'm grateful. I just want to say thank you. Look, I never -- we need to extend grace to each other. And I'm never going to not accept somebody I respect and admire that finally has come to terms with this and has apologized.


WHITFIELD: CNN Political Reporter, Arlette Saenz and CNN National Correspondent, Kyung Lah are following the developments.

Arlette, let me begin with you. As the former vice president made those comments or made that apology, there were applause in the audience. So how is this being received besides those on the campaign trail?

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, Fred, Joe Biden is here in Charleston, South Carolina, doing a town hall right now. But yesterday he made that rare apology saying that he had some regret about the comments he had made about working with segregationist senators decades ago. And a short while ago I had the chance to ask Biden what took him so long. Why it took him three weeks to make this apology. Take a listen to what he had to tell me earlier today.


BIDEN: The fact of the matter is, that's why I chose here in South Carolina and chose an audience that in fact would be the most likely to have been offended by anything that was said.


SAENZ: So Biden said that this was the most fulsome opportunity that he had to address this issue, noting that he was in front of a largely African-American audience. But it's also worth noting that Biden had been here to South Carolina since he made those comments just a few weeks ago.

Now here at this town hall, as Biden was being introduced, state senator -- South Carolina State Senator Marlon Kimpson made this comment saying that he doesn't think that it's useful to relitigate issues from the past. He thinks that the party needs to make sure that they are not divided. So that kind of gives you some insight into one person's opinion here in South Carolina, but certainly voters here across the state do have different opinions about the former vice president and his past comments and also positions when it comes to school busing -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Arlette, thank you.

And Kyung, Cory Booker, you know, had his comment that we just heard. What about Kamala Harris? Since it was, you know, her challenge during the debate of Biden that really kind of precipitated all of these chances for him to apologize.

KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. It was that breakout moment really that started all of it when Senator Harris referred to those comments that the former vice president said about working with segregationist senators as hurtful. And that's something we've heard her repeat not just at the Democratic debate but in various interviews with outlets. She is here in South Carolina. It's Florence, South Carolina. Her

town hall is just about to begin. But before hitting this town hall, before speaking in front of a church, a couple of hours ago, she spoke to the press and she said this about vice president -- about the former vice president's apology.


SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, he says he's sorry. I'm going to take him at his word but again, that doesn't address the issue of busing in America and the fact that he still -- you know, we have to -- we cannot rewrite history about what segregationists were doing at that time on a number of issues, including opposing busing.


LAH: And when I followed up and asked her, well, it took him three weeks to come to this point, to say this, she said that was all she would like to say about it. But she also added that you cannot rewrite history. And by history she's referring to that time in the '60s and '70s -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Kyung Lah, Arlette Saenz, thanks to both of you. Appreciate it.

All right. So for more on Biden's apology and how it might affect the road ahead on the march to the White House, I want to bring in CNN Political Analyst, Molly Ball and Patrick Healy.

Good to see you both. So, Patrick, you know, will this apology suffice?

PATRICK HEALY, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Probably not, Fred. I mean, at least in terms of Kamala Harris and Cory Booker who may really not let Vice President Biden off the hook. You know, it was three weeks ago when Vice President Biden pretty memorably snapped saying apologize for what? Cory Booker should apologize. And now, you know, he's coming forward and sort of saying to CNN, well, I was waiting to get to South Carolina to apologize.

I mean, that is sort of a -- you know, that's kind of a strange, very political formulation to make. I mean, I think for Kamala Harris and Cory Booker, maybe some other Democrats, I mean, they do sort of sense that they have Vice President Biden on the ropes here. And you could hear from Senator Harris at least a desire not to let this go, not to simply say, well, the apology suffices and let's move on. And, really, still a desire to relitigate, you know, issues from the '70s and from the '80s.

And the reality is that if you go back to Delaware, if you go back to issues of busing, issues of the different crime bills that were passed in the '80s and '90s with a lot of Democratic votes, you do find Joe Biden's fingerprints on a lot of them. And I think that's what the Harris campaign and to some extent the Booker campaign probably aren't going to let go of.

WHITFIELD: So, Molly, you know, the former vice president says, you know, wait a minute, you know, check with President Obama. You know? He vetted him, you know, on his judgment and his record. Is this Biden, you know, calling on former president, you know, Barack Obama, to, like, you know, pipe in on this, to vouch for him, to say something? Or is, you know, Biden's hope just that people will put two and two together?

MOLLY BALL, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it's the latter. I mean, I don't see former president Obama wading into this unless he absolutely has to. And that has been his strategy so far. I don't see it changing. But, you know, I think Patrick is right.

This is something that is going to leave a mark because even if former Vice President Biden moves on from this issue, which he clearly very badly wants to, do what Kamala Harris was saying in that answer is, this issue may be done but he still has a big record and we're going to keep probing it, we're going to keep bringing up the different stances he's taken over the years.

And he's going to have to answer for all of that. So I think this is an important moment in the campaign because it showed that Biden may be the overwhelming frontrunner, but it is possible to score points on him if you're one of his opponents. And that's going to keep happening, particularly in the debates.

WHITFIELD: As for the president of the United States, a new "Washington Post" poll, you know, asked voters who they would vote for if Election Day were today. And Biden, you know, still leading soundly with other frontrunners neck-and-neck, you know, against Trump.

So, Patrick, how much stock do you put into those numbers?

HEALY: Well, it's one poll and national polls can be, at this early stage, more tied to name recognition still and the newspaper headlines and the news cycles than they can like state polls which I think are sort of closer to the ground and what people are thinking early states.

[10:20:15] But I was struck by how Joe Biden did do a fair bit better than the other Democrats in terms of appealing to independent voters and to moderate Democratic voters in those polls. Biden did, you know, quite a bit better with those two groups against President Trump than candidates like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris.

And that is something that coming out of the first debate, you know, one of the takeaways last month was just how sort of strong the messages were on stage for very aggressive liberal policies to change the economy, to change laws on immigration. And the question is, you know, I think still for senator -- excuse me, for Vice President Biden and his campaign, the question is, is the country and is the party really seeking that great level of change?

And their argument is that we're going to keep doing well against president trump in polls like this if we're able to carve out more of a moderate message that appeals to a range of Democrats as well as independents.

WHITFIELD: So, Molly, we actually heard part of that argument coming from Biden himself in that interview with Chris Cuomo saying, you know, he is not so certain that most Democrats want that kind of change.

BALL: Yes. I'm sorry. I thought you were going to play a clip. Yes, and that's absolutely part of his pitch. I think there's two aspects to it, right, when you see a poll like this and, you know, as Patrick was saying, these polls aren't certainly predictive of what the final vote is going to look like in more than a year, but they tell you where America's gut sort of is right now. Right? Where people who probably aren't that engaged with an election that's more than a year away, what they're kind of feeling about the candidates, and that electability argument remains a very powerful asset for Joe Biden.

And it's not just because he can say two conservative or moderate Democrats, look, I'm one of you and, therefore, win that sort of lane or that faction. He can also say even to liberal Democrats, and this is something I've heard a lot on the campaign trail. Even liberal Democrats are going to say, look, I may be more liberal than this guy, but my highest priority is still beating Trump, and I support any candidate who I think is going to be able to do that.

So, when you see that big of a gulf between how electable Biden looks today, summer of 2019, and how the others look, I think that's something that really weighs on Democratic primary voters' minds.

WHITFIELD: Yes. All right. Molly Ball, Patrick Healy, we'll leave it there for now. Thanks so much.

HEALY: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Still ahead, the White House triples down on adding a citizenship question to the upcoming Census. Why President Trump is determined to make it happen despite a U.S. Supreme Court?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [16:26:50] WHITFIELD: People close to President Trump say he is determined to get a citizenship question added to next year's census forms. Even though the issue has been firmly shot down by the Supreme Court. As it stands now, the Census forms will be printed without a citizenship question but the president says he still has ways to get one added. Like with a possible executive order.

The newly named acting head of the U.S. Immigration and Services says the Supreme Court decision and, really, it was more of a criticism, left a few avenues open for the president.


KEN CUCCINELLI, ACTING DIRECTOR, CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES: I think the president has expressed determination. He's noted that the Supreme Court didn't say this can't be asked. They said that they didn't appreciate the process by which it came forward the first time. So the president is determined to fix that and to have it roll forward in the 2020 Census.


WHITFIELD: CNN White House Correspondent, Boris Sanchez is in New Jersey near where the president is spending the holiday weekend.

So, Boris, you just heard, you know, Ken Cuccinelli says the president is determined to get a citizenship question added to the Census forms. To what extent?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fred, the president is apparently frustrated by that decision from the Supreme Court in which they said that the White House needed more justification for adding that citizenship question to the Census. The president apparently asking lawyers and aides to come up with that new justification. And he has not ruled out four or five options that he mentioned on Friday as to how to get that question on the Census.

One of them could be a potential executive order. Another could be a potential addendum to the Census. The administration is digging in its heels here. And the president clearly wants this done. The administration believes that they also have precedent on their side. It's part of what Ken Cuccinelli talked about in that interview that you played a clip of this morning.

Listen to more of what he said.


CUCCINELLI: I don't have a problem with that at all. I think that if you look at what we've asked over the years, including, of course, the citizenship question, famously, asked many, many times through our history, we ask a lot of other information as well. And in addition to just getting the raw number of souls in the country, we find out a lot of other information that's useful for governance.

(END VIDEO CLIP) SANCHEZ: Now, Fred, to be clear, the last time that that citizenship question was included in the most broadly spread out version of the Census that was given to the American people was in 1950. The president here will need some new justification to present this as a legal manner of asking people whether they are citizens of the United States on the Census or not. He's determined. He's digging in his heels. We'll see what happens -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Boris Sanchez, thanks so much.

Up next, Customs and Border Patrol agents once again under fire. A second secret Facebook group reveals racist and offensive posts. How the White House is responding, coming up.

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WHITFIELD: A number of border patrol agents have been disciplined after a secret Facebook group was exposed. The acting secretary of Homeland Security says they have been placed on administrative duty in connection to racist and sexually explicit posts about migrants held in detention centers. This week, Congress will address the conditions at the border in a hearing titled, "Kids In Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border."

Let's discuss. They are back, Molly Ball and Patrick Healy, good to see you. So in a story today in "The New York Times," it detailed horrible conditions inside a Clint, Texas detention facility. And they write outbreaks of scabies, shingles, and chickenpox were spreading. And they write the stench of the children's dirty clothing was so strong it spread to the agents' own clothing.

People in town would scrunch their noses when they left work. So Patrick, you know, the president's approval rating numbers are up largely because of the economy. So will these detention centers -- family separation accounts and that they are in worsening conditions, will it in any way, you know, undermine the president's focus?

HEALY: No, Fred. The Democrats are very much trying to prosecute that message. I mean they're going down to the border. Many of the 2020 candidates and bringing real attention, as is, you know, media reports like this one to the inhumane, the terrible conditions that are seen in these detention facilities.

And right now, President Trump thinks that he can sort of push back and make this argument that the focus of the efforts there are humane, that they meet detention center standards, that they're acceptable, and that the focus of his administration should be and is on helping Americans. But the reality is, Fred, is that these stories, one after another after another, paint just a devastating picture of what is happening to fellow human beings down at the border.

And, you know, one would think that these conditions, regardless of party, would be deemed as totally unacceptable. But at least right now, the president seems to be reframing this as really a partisan political argument. Will he pay a price in his poll numbers from independent voters, some Republicans? It's certainly possible.

That did real damage to him during the 2018 midterms, or should I say, damage to Republican candidates last year in the midterms when President Trump kept vilifying migrants...


WHITFIELD: Patrick, let me stop you right there because the president is speaking right now. Let's listen in.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Fifteen billion dollars or some ridiculous amounts of money on a census. I don't know why we can't do that through the computers of the world because frankly that's the way you should do it and probably a lot more accurately. But they are spending $15 to $20 billion (Inaudible). They're asking everything except are you a citizen of the United States. How ridiculous is that? So we are moving forward.

We have a couple of avenues. And our attorney general is doing a fantastic job in many ways. And I think he's got it under control. Would you do a memorandum? We can do an executive order. We're looking at different things. But there are other alternatives. And again, I believe our attorney general, fantastic man. And I think he's got it very well under control.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) conditions there?

TRUMP: The New York Times' story is a hoax. I think anything the New York Times writes nowadays, they are really -- you know, they use the word unhinged, the New York Times. I call it the failing New York Times for a reason. Check out their unfunded liability and see what they're worth. They're a failing -- they're already a failed New York Times.

When they write a story like that, I went to my people and they say it's not true. We told them about a crisis. They said it was manufactured. They laughed and they stopped for months. And it turns out that it wasn't manufactured. It's a crisis. We were right about that. We told them that the detention centers are really full.

And they got to change the loopholes and they have to change asylum. They have to change the immigration laws. We can do it quickly. But we have no votes to do it because the Democrats won't vote. We need some of their votes. But the New York Times story is a fabrication. Now, I look at things. I saw visually. I had people there that told me the job they are doing is incredible.

[16:39:58] And in all cases that you look, people that came from unbelievable poverty, that had no water, they had no anything, where they came from, those are people that are very happy with what's going on, because relatively speaking, they are in much better shape right now. The border patrol and all of the law enforcement that's working on the border, it's incredible what they're doing. They've had to become nurses. They've had to become janitors.

They've had to become things that they were never trained to do, all because the Democrats refuse to change the loopholes in the asylum and immigration laws. So I think it's a disgrace. And the New York Times is basically a partner with the Democrats, the way I look at it. They should never be allowed to write stories like that. It's a disgrace.


TRUMP: Yeah, the numbers are going down because Mexico is doing a lot. Mexico is building up to over 20,000 soldiers at the border, so the numbers are going down.


TRUMP: I would like to do that. You also have to look at numbers. When you look at World Cup soccer, that's one thing, and you also have to look at soccer, professional soccer. You have to see who is taking in what. So I don't know what those numbers are. I would like to see that. But again, you have to look at the great stars of the men's soccer, the great stars of the women's soccer.

And you have to see year round how are they all drawing. What is the attendance for women's soccer outside of World Cup? But I would like to see it, yes.


TRUMP: No, I don't know anything about it. What?


TRUMP: We haven't really thought about it. We will look at that, certainly, yeah.


TRUMP: Iran is doing a lot of bad things. And remember this, the Obama (Inaudible), which was the most foolish of -- that you'll ever find in a very short period of time. So whether you have this conversation now or in a number of years from now, a few numbers of years, very important conversation except the way they want it, they would have automatic rights to have nuclear weapons. Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) Secretary Lighthizer and Secretary Mnuchin, when they speak with the Chinese this week?

TRUMP: Well, we're doing very well with China. They're meeting, but most importantly, we're doing very well with the tariffs. We're taking in billions and billions of dollars from China. We've never taken in 10 cents from China. China has ripped us off during Obama and Biden, during, in all fairness, Bush and other presidents and Clinton, obviously.

And right now, China is not very happy because thousands of companies are leaving China. And they're going to other places, including the United States because they don't want to pay tariffs. And the other thing is China is paying tariffs. They're devaluing their currency and they're pumping money in. That's paying for the tariffs. Our people have not been paying for the tariffs. Thank you.

Well, if they knew what it was doing, they would lower rates and they would stop quantitative tightening. If you look at Europe, what they're doing is they're pumping money in and they're having rates lower so they can compete with us. Just remember, the European Union was set up in order to compete with the United States, OK? And when they have (Inaudible) -- if you look at what he's done. He's made them somewhat competitive. Now despite everything, they're not doing well, and we're doing great.

Europe is not doing well at all. They're doing great. But we're put in an unfair playing field when they pump in a lot of money. And we're doing just the opposite. We're taking money out, and interest rates have gone up. If the fed didn't do what it did or did even half, we would have a DOW that would be as good as it is, doing so good. But we would have a DOW that would be anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 points higher.


TRUMP: What we're going to do is I am going to start showing some of these detention centers because -- to the press. I want the press to go in and see them. And I just spoke to Mark Morgan. And I just spoke with, as you know, Kevin, so we're going to send people in. We're going to have some of the press go in because they are crowded. And we're the ones complaining about they're crowded.

[16:45:06] They're crowded because people come up. But now thanks to Mexico, it's slowing down greatly. And I think you'll start seeing some very good numbers. But it is crowded. But we want to have the press go in and see, because the New York Times, it really is fake news. Thank you, everybody, thank you very much.

WHITFIELD: All right. The president there, leaving New Jersey. They're a lot. He covered a lot. Everything from, you know, talking about, you know, the -- what he believes are punishing tariffs. But, you know, it's not the U.S. government that, you know, takes in this money from the tariffs. But instead, it's consumers who end up, you know, paying the price to responding to the reporting in the New York Times about deplorable conditions.

And the president says, you know, they do not have it right. He says what's in that report is not true. It's a hoax. He calls the New York Times, you know, unhinged. However, he did say that he is pressing for access, for press to have access to the detention centers. That really is kind of the headline as it pertains to that because, you know, his, you know, secretary came out this morning saying, you know, they've got it under control.

They're doing their best. No one has gone hungry or thirsty. And so my panel back with me now, Molly and Patrick. So, you know, this morning, Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib was very emotional about her experience, you know, touring a facility in Texas. And this is how she described it, contrary to what the president just said.


REP. RASHIDA TLAIB (D-MI): This father told me he was there for four days and has been eating potato chips. But more importantly, he was gripping his son, telling me I just want my son to be an American boy. I am here because I have no other choice. And I can tell you as a mother of two, but also as a child of immigrants, immigrant parents, I know my parents would have done the same thing for me to have a better future.

But what our country is doing is creating a generation, a generation of children that will remember what our country did to them.

WHITFIELD: So Patrick, this issue is not going away. I mean the president is enjoying approval ratings largely because of his, you know, economy. And he still wants, you know, immigration to be front and center. But this humanitarian crisis is growing. And there has been some access at these detention facilities by members of Congress and some reporters but without, you know, recording devices.

How is the president going to be able to maintain that everything is going beautifully? That was his word. You know, things are being handled beautifully there.

HEALY: Right. Well, we've seen this show before. I mean the president is wrong about the New York Times report. It wasn't a hoax. It was based on more than a dozen reporters, frankly, more than that as well as photographers going deep and reporting on what was going on in this facility, what has been going on in this facility in Clint.

And the reality is for the last 2 1/2 years, we've had many well- documented stories about how the president doesn't like to hear information that doesn't agree with his preconceived notions. He doesn't like to hear information that upsets him. It's very important to this president that the border be seen as under control, and that these detention centers be seen as humane and up to standards under his watch.

That's very important to him. I don't know what information he said he received from administration officials that suggests that everything is going wonderfully down at the border, that everything is beautiful. But it's not just Democrats, and certainly not just the media who have been raising concerns about the treatment of people in these detention facilities.

It will be interesting to see if the president is actually able to provide any evidence. I didn't hear any of it in his remarks. To the contrary of how people are living there, how -- what conditions are like day in and day out, whether he is actually able to let the media in with cameras to interview people unfettered, to allow Republicans and Democratic members of Congress it, you know, remains to be seen.

But it sounds like he's just interested in, you know, using adjectives and attacking the media like he usually does.

WHITFIELD: And Molly, it's going to be an issue of, you know, full access, not just, you know, areas that, you know McAleenan wants reporters to see or the president wants reporters to see. But in order to see the full story of the treatment of how families, children, etcetera are being treated in these facilities. Do you believe the president is going to advocate for that kind of full access?

[16:49:50] BALL: We'll see. I mean I agree with you, Fred, that that was the only thing he said in that remarks that was really news, because we in the press have been pushing to try to actually be able to see the conditions. And that's why the Times did, I think, this terrific report. Terrific and for all anybody knows, completely factual report, because we have not been able to get in and tell our readers and viewers, the American public, what the government is doing in these facilities. The Times was able to work around that and sort of reconstruct a lot

of the conditions. If the president is serious that these facilities are so wonderful that we can see them for ourselves, I think everyone in the media would like to be able to take a look at that. There -- the administration has said before there are privacy concerns. But, you know, he says that the people in these camps are happy to be there.

So let's hear from them. Let's hear them tell us how happy they are. There's a little bit of tortured logic on the president's part, where he says on the one hand, the camps are wonderful. But on the other hand, these crowded squalid conditions that are being alleged just proves that there's a crisis, right? The camps are wonderful. But on the other hand, they -- where they come from is so bad that basically anything would be a step up.

So there's a little bit of conflicting rhetoric there. If the administration actually does follow through and allow more public access and more public visibility into these camps, I think that would be a step forward.

WHITFIELD: Yeah, again, extraordinary accounts in the New York Times, everything from talking about the outbreaks of scabies, shingles, chickenpox, and even talking about, you know, the stench of the children's clothing to the extent that even the agents who are working there, the stench is on them even when they leave and, you know, people turn their noses up at it. All right, Molly Ball, Patrick Healy, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

HEALY: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: We'll be right back.


WHITFIELD: All right. Tonight, the CNN original series, "THE MOVIES," with iconic films from the 80s, CNN is celebrating and giving movie fans a chance to win inside the CNN video store. Bet you've never seen that before. Well, it's happening in New York. That's where we find CNN's Brooke Baldwin. What's going on? How is the crowd?

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: So I know we discussed. We -- the crowd is awesome. We're here at Hudson Yards at the CNN video store. And anyone can come out and hang out. And we talked about the throwback that is the VHS tape, Fred. I don't know if you have a sweet tooth. Check this out.


BALDWIN: Chuckles. When is the last time you saw these? OK, I know I am trying to make everyone drool a little bit over candy, but that's because there's this whole area here called Tweet for a Treat.


BALDWIN: And it's really simple. You come down. You tweet some sort of, you know, photo of you up here, #CNNthemovies, and guess what.


WHITFIELD: They better have raisinets there or twizzlers. That's movie food, too.

BALDWIN: Twizzlers, how good are raisinets with popcorn.


BALDWIN: Hey, Sharon, let me grab you really quickly. Fred, this is Sharon. And she's been hanging out and handing out lots of candy. She's about to hand me candy in a second. Do you have a favorite movie?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like Coming to America. It makes me laugh every time. It never dies. It's always new to me every time I see it.

BALDWIN: You know, I said to her before, don't tell me. Tell me live on TV. Did you know we had Hakeem the impersonator? You've been practicing your lines. Are you looking for a queen?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am here for the queen. This is why I am in Queens.

BALDWIN: We give him an A-plus.


BALDWIN: Coming to America, there are many queens and kings. Spin around really quickly so everyone can see and then we'll wrap it up. This is the throwback. This is so awesome. It takes me back to my youth of renting videotapes, and for the most part bringing them back to the video store.

WHITFIELD: Oh, I've always loved that experience, the video stores. I am so sad that we don't have that anymore. But I love that we, CNN, have recreated such because that's a fabulous journey down memory lane. I like it. All right, Brooke Baldwin, thank you so much.

BALDWIN: Totally. Thank you.

WHITFIELD: All right, appreciate it. Of course, folks, you don't miss the CNN Original Series, "THE MOVIES," tonight at 9:00 Eastern and Pacific only on CNN. Thank you so much for being with me all day today. I am Fredricka Whitfield. We have so much straight ahead in the "NEWSROOM." Ana Cabrera is up next.