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Biden to Face Off with Booker & Harris, 2 of His Recent Critics; Key Matchups to Watch in Upcoming CNN Debates; Iraqi Woman Pleads to Trump over Religious Prosecution; Presidential Candidate, Former Congressman John Delaney (D) Discusses the Campaign, Debates, Denies Aides Urged Him to Drop Out of Race, Health Care, Medicare-for- All, "Better Care". Aired 1:30-2p ET

Aired July 19, 2019 - 13:30   ET

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[13:30:00] BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: But I wonder if he'll do that again. He's already shown his cards.

TIFFANY CROSS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I think -- I think April has a point.

But I do want to say, look, I know there's a lot of attention on Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. But this is a very serious business. There are a lot of candidates on the stage. This isn't Mayweather versus Pacquiao.

APRIL RYAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, it is.

(LAUGHTER)

CROSS: But people's lives are being impacted by the policies coming out of these debates.

(CROSSTALK)

RYAN: Tyson/Holyfield, I think.

CROSS: For the people sitting in detention camps --

RYAN: That's right.

CROSS: -- in their own feces and people losing their families, this is serious business. We need to focus on the policies of all the candidates on that stage.

Yes, her prosecutorial record is a vulnerability for her. I think if I were advising her campaign, I would tell them right now you all need to be reaching out to Meek Mill (ph), some of the criminal justice work with Van Jones. Go into this debate with some armor.

But there's also other people who have very solid policy. Julian Castro got overlooked at the last debate. But the last debate, he's the only one who introduced a plan to address lead poisoning in Flint, Michigan. He was the first to put out a housing plan. So I think --

(CROSSTALK)

RYAN: He's the first with a black agenda.

CROSS: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

CROSS: You can tell by the policies he took on.

KEILAR: And he was in the first debate last time.

(CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: The second debate got more attention now.

(CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: Now he's going to be in the second.

RYAN: But there will be issues of immigration on the table because that's what made Julian Castro for me the MVP for the first debate because he did bring up -- he got in there. He showed that he could mix it up on the real issue of immigration.

And then they were talking about real issues at that second debate too. So when they go back and forth, it might be a personality clash, but they're talking about issues as a possible president how they dealt with it.

So I get what you're saying. We've seen that back and forth, but these are issues that we, the American public, need to see.

CROSS: My concern is I think people look at it as super at the same time -- entertainment sometimes.

RYAN: I'm with you.

CROSS: I'll be excited when the debates happen with no audience. People have to sing for their supper and speak in sound bites.

(CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: There's so many of them. I also think that's part of it. And --

CROSS: And they all want to get a viral moment.

KEILAR: And also the person they're competing against ultimately is President Trump. And this has become a bit of an -- there's an entertainment factor that's been interjected into it that has worked for him.

CROSS: Right. I would say, though --

KEILAR: They're looking at that.

CROSS: They're competing against President Trump but they're also competing against President Barack Obama. People still have a lot of nostalgia for that president. It's hard for the Democratic base --

(CROSSTALK)

RYAN: But it's a very different day. It's a very different day.

CROSS: But people wanting to get goosebumps.

(CROSSTALK)

CROSS: They want to be excited. They want a great orator.

RYAN: It's over.

KEILAR: I agree it's over but I think a lot of Democratic voters are still looking for that level of inspiring.

And just another thing, I think, look, it's also different because you'll have, by November 2020 over -- nearly four million younger people, first-time voters will come in. So it's challenging trying to appeal to those people who are social media users and are on Instagram and look at sound bites and not necessarily issues.

KEILAR: The first night we are going to see a number of candidates --

RYAN: White. All white.

KEILAR: -- who are struggling. But not just white. They are struggling. Joe Biden has a lot of support among black voters. We're going to see a number of candidates who are struggling to get that support from black voters.

RYAN: Yes.

KEILAR: Is there anything they can do or what are you expecting them to do to try and change that?

RYAN: First of all, they're in the D. They're in Detroit. They need to recognize that what's around Detroit, as Tiffany just said, Flint, Michigan, in the state of Michigan.

You have the auto industry, the domestic auto industry that is hurting. You have so many people who work, black and brown people who work for this industry who have been impacted. They are laying off people at some of these major companies because of things that the president has said, because of things -- because they just can't compete with these tariffs.

So there are issues in the black community, in Detroit, that they need to address.

Black America is part of America with the highest numbers of negatives in almost every category.

And going back to the inspiration piece, people are looking for what affects them. Someone who can help with what affects them. Inspiration is great. But right now at a time when people are hurting, they need something tangible.

CROSS: I agree.

RYAN: They need tangibility. But the problem is, those who can't come up with it, the inspiration or tangible solutions --

CROSS: Right.

RYAN: -- they're going to be cut off. This is the debate.

CROSS: They want to get inspired and look at policy.

I want to make a point. That first night there are no people of color. It's not necessarily how black are you, it's how black are your policies. Are you speaking to me?

(LAUGHTER)

Look, Black voters are obviously a huge important part of the Democratic Party. But we also have to consider that, for the first time in 2020 Hispanic voters, will eclipse the black vote.

So there's going to be a lot of eyes on this group of people that aren't necessarily looking to see do you look like me but are you speaking to me.

KEILAR: So many things that we're going to be watching for.

Thank you so much, ladies.

RYAN: With popcorn.

KEILAR: With popcorn, definitely.

April Ryan will have her popcorn.

Tiffany Cross, thank you so much as well.

[13:35:01] Do not miss the Democratic presidential debates live from Detroit on July 30th and 31st 8:00 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN.

A desperate emotional plea inside the Oval Office from a woman who escaped religious persecution. See how the president responded.

An incredible video of the man scaling the outside of a tall building to escape the fire inside.

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[13:40:00] KEILAR: Her story is courageous and horrifying. Nadia Murad was one of the thousands of Yazidi women and children abducted by ISIS in Iraq. She was survived rape and torture in captivity. ISIS murdered her family. Persecution for being an ethnic minority. Murad escaped and was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2018 for speaking out about her experience.

When she visited the White House this week, President Trump didn't seem familiar with her story.

Watch as Murad pleads with the president to help the Yazidis.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NADIA MURAD, FORMER ISIS CAPTIVE & NOBEL PRIZE WINNER: I'm from Iraq and I cannot say my family there because, when ISIS attack us, no one protect us. After 2003, we start to disappear from our area, from our homeland. When ISIS attack us in 2014, they kill six of my brother. They killed my mom. They took me to captivity with my relatives, sister-in-law, with my sister and my nieces.

Our home is destroyed. We come to here, we go to Europe, we go to Arab country that ISIS did, everyone saw that. We appreciate --

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And you were captured? You were captured?

MURAD: Yes, vice President, he help us a lot. But now today you can solve our problem now. There's no ISIS but we cannot go back because Kurdish government and the Iraqi government, they are fighting each other, who will control my area.

This happen to me, they killed my mom, my six brother. They left behind --

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Where are they now?

MURAD: They killed them. I'm still fighting just to live in safe. Please do something. It's not about one family --

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: I know the area very well you're talking about.

MURAD: It's about the whole community.

TRUMP: OK, we're going to look into it very strongly.

MURAD: Thank you so much.

TRUMP: And you had the Nobel Prize?

MURAD: Yes.

TRUMP: That's incredible. They gave it to you, for what reason? Maybe you can explain.

MURAD: For what reason? That after all this happen to me, I make it clear to everyone that ISIS took thousands of Yazidi women. This one was first time the woman from Iraq she get out and spoke about it happened to.

(CROSSTALK) TRUMP: Oh, really, is that right? Is the first time?

MURAD: It's the first time.

TRUMP: So you escaped?

MURAD: I escaped but I don't have my freedom yet.

TRUMP: I understand that.

MURAD: Because you didn't see any ISIS. We don't know if they killed everyone, if they are in jail.

But we know we have 3,000 Yazidi women and children, including my niece, my nephew, my sister-in-law. Three years ago she call us and say she's in Syria and now we didn't know anything about it.

TRUMP: Let me look. We're going to look, OK?

Thank you very much.

(CROSSTALK)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KEILAR: President Trump met with nearly two dozen people like Murad who had survived religious persecution.

We have more on our breaking news.

The president changing his tune on those "send her back" chants. Now he's defiant and praising the crowd.

Plus, 2020 candidate, John Delaney, will join us live to respond to a report that his aides have asked him to drop out of the race.

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[13:48:17] KEILAR: Presidential candidate and former Maryland congressman, John Delaney, is doing some damage control after Axios reported that members of his own campaign have asked him to drop out.

Delaney says it's not true. Quote, "No one on my team asked me to drop out of the race and I have no plans to drop out of the race."

John Delaney joining me now from Boston.

OK, so you say there's no truth to the story. Where do you think it's coming from?

JOHN DELANEY, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER CONGRESSMAN: You know, I don't know. I'm not sure where it's coming from. But I intend to find out, let's put it that way.

But no one on my team told me that I should think about dropping out. I have no intentions of dropping out. I'm actually filming a whole bunch of commercials this week.

We just bought a new campaign R.V., which we're having wrapped to roll out in Iowa in the next week or the week after. Why would I do that if I was going to drop out?

It was an incorrect report. They had mathematical errors in the report. They more than doubled what I've spent on the campaign and some speculation about how much the campaign has spent.

And so I just think it was an entirely incorrect piece of reporting is how I would describe it.

KEILAR: So how -- have you considered -- what's your game plan here? Have you considered that if your poll numbers or your fund-raising doesn't improve that you might get out? How essential is increasing that in the near term to keeping going with your campaign?

DELANEY: Well, what we're really focused on is the Iowa caucus. I've been running an early state strategy from the beginning. I've done 30 trips to Iowa. I've done 20 to New Hampshire. We've got a good operation on the ground in those two states.

It's my sense that this race really hasn't started yet. We're having our second, which I think is going to be a great moment, particularly for me, because I'm on stage with Senator Sanders and Senator Warren.

[13:50:09] I think I can make the case that those folks are engaging in class warfare, promising everything for free, running on things like Medicare-for-All, which is not good policy. If we do that, we'll put Trump on a path to re-election.

What we should be doing is creating universal health care with choice, improving our safety net, growing our economy in an environmentally appropriate way.

So there's an important conversation to be had in this debate. I think it's getting started. That's how I think about it.

We're focusing on the Iowa caucus. That's how we're measuring the success of our campaign.

KEILAR: Getting all the way to the Iowa caucus, your expectation now is you go all the way to the Iowa caucus, even if you are struggling in the polls?

DELANEY: I think the first, really, poll that matters in many ways is the Iowa caucus, which obviously isn't a poll. But everything else is irrelevant. So that's what we're focusing on.

Obviously, I've had a very strong focus on the early states. If for some aren't Iowa caucus doesn't go well for me, which I don't think is going to happen, it's something I have to take into consideration.

But at this point, we're really focused, we have a plan for the fall and that's kind of how I think about it.

(CROSSTALK)

DELANEY: Again, I, in many ways, think this debate is just starting.

KEILAR: Let's talk policy, shall we? Health care. OK.

DELANEY: Sure, yes.

KEILAR: Let's talk health care. You say Medicare-for-All is losing Democrats at a fast rate. You're talking about setting yourself apart from Warren and Sanders on the stage. You're also proposing an idea called Better Care

DELANEY: Yes.

KEILAR: Which is a health care for all product that would replace employer-provided health care. Keep Medicare largely as it is.

How are Americans more ready for that? That's a pretty big change.

DELANEY: Yes, it is a big change. It doesn't replace employer health care, by the way. That's why it's so different.

What Medicare-for-All does, it looks at anyone who has any kind of private insurance, including Medicare Advantage, by the way, which is private insurance, which about half our seniors are increasingly taking, and it says you're not allowed to have any of those things, they're illegal, they're unlawful.

What Better Care does is solve the problem we have in health care right now, which is the tragedy of the uninsured. It gives everyone basic health care as a right of citizenship.

But they can opt out of it if they want. They get a tax credit. They can use that to buy their own health care. They can turn that tax credit into their employer or labor union, which they can use to buy health care.

It's kind of like the German model in many ways where you have --

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KEILAR: Aren't you dismantling -- it would dismantle the employer- based model, right?

DELANEY: No, I don't think so. I think it might change over time. I think where the employer model might evolve is to a supplemental model, where you show us -- you would show up at CNN, you have your basic government health care, and CNN would negotiate a group supplemental for you to enhance your basic government health care program. You'd be kind of in the same place.

(CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: Then how does your idea --

(CROSSTAKL) KEILAR: You want to change the incentives on, you're stuck in a job because your insurance is very good for you.

DELANEY: Yes.

KEILAR: How does that change that --

(CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: -- even if it's a supplemental?

DELANEY: Let's say you wanted to go start your own network. You could leave CNN, you'd have your basic government health care, which would cover your health essentials, so you know you would be covered. You may lose the CNN supplemental, and maybe you'd buy your own supplemental or you wouldn't have a supplemental for a period of time. But you would never be without basic health care. So that encourages mobility.

When I started my first company, my wife and I were about to have our first child. I would have never left my job to start my business, which ended up creating thousands of jobs, but for the fact that my wife, April, had health care through her firm. There's a lot of those stories out there.

I don't want people tied to their job because of health care. That doesn't mean their employers may want to do things to provide their supplemental plans to upgrade their health care. But everyone would have their portable basic health care.

This is a common-sense way of solving our health care crisis. You give everyone health care, but you allow options and choices.

So, yes, there would still be an employer market, absolutely.

KEILAR: All right, John Delaney, thank you so much for joining us.

DELANEY: Thanks for having me.

KEILAR: Former Congressman Delaney with us there.

[13:54:29] With the fire blazing inside, a man taking drastic action to get out of a high-rise building as the flames range. His heart stopping escape next.

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KEILAR: A remarkable video of a dramatic escape in Philadelphia. A man trapped in a burning apartment building took drastic measures to escape the fire as it was blazing inside. Watch as he scales down the outside of this 19-story high rise. Amazingly, he made it safely to the ground where first responders were waiting. Authorities believe a trash compactor caused this fire. Four people were reportedly injured. All are in stable condition now.

That's it for me. "NEWSROOM" starts right now.

[13:59:58] ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: Hello. I'm Ana Cabrera, in for Brooke Baldwin on this Friday. You're watching CNN. Thank you being here.

In about an hour, President Trump will depart Washington, he will head to his golf course in New Jersey. But the chaos and the controversy of this --