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Record-Breaking Heat In Europe; Jeremy Corbyn Holds Rally On Last Day Of Parliament; Rep. Andre Carson (D-IN) Is Interviewed About The Mueller Hearing; A$AP Rocky To Stand Trial In Sweden On Assault Charge; Puerto Rican Governor Resigning After Days Of Protests; Seoul: North Korea Fired New Type Of Short-Range Missile; Syrians Starving Near U.S. Military Base; Israeli Football Team Owner Taking On Racist Fans. Aired 2-3p ET

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[14:00:25] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Live from CNN London, I'm Hala Gorani.

Tonight, parts of Europe have never been hotter as the continent swelters under an intense heat wave. We'll be live in London and Paris, hitting

record high temperatures there.

Also tonight, Boris Johnson lays out his vision to the House of Commons, calling for a turbo-charged no-deal Brexit response. What does that mean?

And as the fallout from Robert Mueller's testimony continues, I speak to one of the congressmen who grilled the former special counsel.

It doesn't matter where you are in Europe today, almost everyone is talking about the same thing: the heat. A scorching heat wave has brought

temperatures never before seen since records began in Germany, the United Kingdom, Belgium and the Netherlands. And Paris broke a record when the

thermometer topped 42 degrees Celsius today. That's 107 degrees if you work in Fahrenheit.

Climate scientists say July is shaping up to be the hottest month ever on the planet since records began, at least since those records started being

kept in the 1880s.

CNN's Jim Bittermann is braving the heat in Paris. And there are concerns with Notre Dame's roof. We'll get to that in a moment.

Salma Abdelaziz is on the ground in London.

You're near Trafalgar Square. I understand it rained a little bit for a few minutes, which would have been -- brought some measure of relief.

What's the situation now like in London, Salma?

SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN PRODUCER: That's right, Hala. After the hot, there has to come the storm. So we just had a big downpour. We have a few kids

behind us, still trying to play in the pool here and keep cool. The sun is back out, so we are seeing those temperatures again.

And right now is the time that people are commuting back home, and that's where a lot of the concern comes in. The public was told, actually, to

stay at home today, if they could avoid.

Because those train carriages are going to be hot, packed. There's very little ventilation across the country. Commuters were saying they were

spending hours on these carriages will little water.

TEXT: All-Time Heart Record, United Kingdom: August 2003, 38.5 degrees; July 2015, 36.7 degrees. Cambridge, 38.1 degrees.

A lot of that is due to the fact -- because these temperatures are rising, the trains actually have to move at a slower pace, half as fast as they

usually do, so that the train tracks don't buckle. So we're seeing this all across the country.

Of course, the biggest concern is for the young and the elderly. Most people in the U.K., most people in London don't have air conditioning in

their homes. So they come to parks, public spaces like this one, to try to keep cool.

And while it's all fun and games, this is a very serious concern for the country because the fear is, is that these temperatures will continue to

climb, not just this year but on and on through the coming years.

But all we can do for right now, Hala, is just stay cool.

GORANI: Yes. That's all we can do. It's difficult in some cases, as you mentioned. If you're commuting, if you're in a bus, if you're in a train,

if you're elderly as well. We're going to get to some of these dangers in a moment.

But Jim Bittermann, you're in Paris, hitting record highs as well there. And there are concerns for Notre Dame, the roof of Notre Dame. Explain

why.

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, exactly. So the architect, the chief architect who's in charge of the reconstruction of

Notre Dame -- and it's still a very fragile reconstruction, in fact it hasn't actually begun, but -- he's worried about the vaulted ceiling in the

church of Notre Dame.

Not the roof. The roof, a lot of the roof is all --

GORANI: All right. We just lost the shot there, with Jim Bittermann, live in Paris. But Jim was talking about the roof of Notre Dame after that

terrible fire. Of course, that there are issues with how structurally sound it is. And this heat is putting a lot of pressure on what is left of

that structure in Notre Dame. And it's a question of underpinning some of these beams. We'll get back to Jim as soon as we can.

Tom Sater, I want to get to you. it feels like you've heard this heat wave story before. It's because Europe was scorched by another one just last

month. They're becoming more and more frequent.

TOM SATER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes.

GORANI: Talk to us a little bit about where we are now and what the forecast is.

SATER: If we can hang in there, Hala, through the night and into tomorrow morning, I think things are going to be a lot better. Remember, last week

in the U.S., 500 temperature records were broken.

It wasn't the all-time high for the U.K. or London, but it was the warmest July temperatures. Many may remember in the U.K., the infamous 1976 heat

wave. Those numbers don't even crack the top 10 anymore.

Hey, let's go back the year 1500 for Europe. These are your five hottest summers. No doubt, 2019 could be the top or very top of the list.

TEXT: Europe's Hottest Summers Since Year 1500: 2018, 2016, 2010, 2003, 2002

SATER: But let's go back to last month's heat wave. All of these areas -- Andorra, France, breaking records. Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein,

37.1.

TEXT: Andorra, 28 June, 2019: 39.4 degrees. France, 28 June, 2019: 45.9 degrees. Switzerland, 27 June, 2019: 37.0 degrees. Luxembourg, 26 June,

2019: 36.8 degrees. Liechtenstein, 30 June, 2019: 37.1 degrees.

[14:05:03] SATER: The list goes on and on. Germany, Czech Republic and Poland, only to be shattered yesterday.

TEXT: Germany, 30 June, 2019: 39.6 degrees. Czech Republic, 26 June, 2019: 38.9 degrees. Poland, 26 June, 2019: 38.2 degrees.

SATER: Yesterday, France had 145 locales break July records, 85 all-time records. And of course, Paris breaking their record, which is a -- you

know. Gosh, it feels like 109 Fahrenheit. That's at, you know, 42.1.

TEXT: Hottest Day on Record, 24 July, 2019: Netherlands, 39.3 degrees. Belgium, 39.9 degrees. Germany, 40.5 degrees.

SATER: Yesterday, 39.3. Belgium, 39.9 and Germany -- only to be shattered again today. First time Netherlands and Belgium have ever topped 40

degrees.

TEXT: Hottest Day on Record, 25 July, 2019: Netherlands, 40.4 degrees. Belgium, 40.7 degrees. Germany, 42.6 degrees.

SATER: Now, it does get better. Take a look. Thirty in Paris tomorrow. Saturday, you're at 23. And the same goes for many other areas.

London, you've missed your all-time record by 0.2 degrees Celsius, mainly because of the cloud cover associated with this rain. The problem is, when

you get that kind of heat, you're really going to see tremendous thunderstorms with damaging winds.

Thirty-four in London. Paris, 37 currently. Things, I promise, do get better for everyone. The problem is, though, the heat now surges, Hala, up

towards Scandinavia. Remember last year in Sweden, the fires, we've got 100 large wildfires in Siberia, Canada, Alaska. Firefighters are still on

alert down in parts of Portugal because the heat will continue there. Hang in there, it will get better.

GORANI: All right. Tom Sater, thanks very much.

But it'll happen again. That, we can pretty much be sure of. Scientists say this hot, hot summer can be blamed on climate change. Joining me now

is someone who studies how governments can fight climate change, adapt to the new reality. Michal Nachmany is the policy officer for the Grantham

Research Institute.

So these are becoming more and more frequent, these heat waves.

MICHAL NACHMANY, CLIMATE POLICY ANALYST, GRANTHAM RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Yes. They're becoming more frequent, they're also becoming more intense. And

what else they're becoming is on the way to being the new normal.

The Met Office in the U.K. says today that if we continue at this track, we are on the way to having this kind of summer, every other summer by mid-

century.

GORANI: Yes.

NACHMANY: So this is not an extreme weather event. I mean, it is an extreme --

GORANI: Yes.

NACHMANY: -- weather event, but this is not some isolated event. We're going to be living this as the new normal.

GORANI: This is -- could be our new normal. I saw some research that was published in the press a few days ago, that London could have the same

climate as Barcelona by 2050. We have to adapt the way we live in these cities that are not used to these high temperatures.

NACHMANY: Absolutely. First of all, cities tend to suffer more because of the urban heat island effect. He is trapped, it bounces off surfaces, off

roads, off glass surfaces. It doesn't have enough green spaces. So temperatures in cities are two to three degrees higher, potentially, than

outside of cities. Half of the world's population today lives in cities and works in cities, so that means a lot for them.

We have to adapt our homes. We have to adapt our workspaces. We have to adapt our commutes in order to be able to survive those. And I mean

literally survive, because these are causing excess deaths that are preventable.

GORANI: Especially among those who are more vulnerable among us. The elderly, I remember a heat wave in France about 10 years ago -- in Paris, I

should say, about 10 years ago, where hundreds of elderly people died because, you know, people weren't necessarily checking in on them, and not

aware that this could be extremely dangerous for them.

NACHMANY: Absolutely. Last year -- only last year in London, just under 500 deaths. And if you go back to the 2003 heat wave across Europe, that

was a 50,000-death toll from the series of heat waves.

GORANI: So what do we need to do?

NACHMANY: Well, first of all, we need to start adapting and planning for this. Because this is not going away. So we need to make sure that we can

open the windows in our homes, that our commutes are -- routes are air conditioned, that our workspaces are adapted. We need to make sure that

our health systems are ready because more illnesses occur during these times.

We also need to take care of our most vulnerable by making sure our social structures and processes --

GORANI: Yes.

NACHMANY: -- are in place. Do we regularly check in with our neighbors, with our elderly relatives? And so on.

GORANI: Especially in cities, where that doesn't happen very often, where people often live alone. Whether they're old or not, in fact, it's more

common for people to live alone in cities.

Is any of this reversible? I mean, if humanity takes action now, decisively? Can we start reversing these effects?

NACHMANY: That's a very good question. So there's a lag between the emissions that have already been emitted and the --

GORANI: Yes.

NACHMANY: -- effects of them. So we are definitely going towards an intensifying period of extreme weather events, even if we halted everything

now.

But in order to make sure that this is as bad as it gets, we need to start reversing our emissions right now. The U.K. and other countries have

already set net-zero emission targets and so on, we need to start acting on them now, change our energy structures, the way we consume, the way we

travel and so on.

GORANI: When you communicate with governments and policymakers, and you say all this to them, and you say, "This isn't a drill, this is an

emergency," are they listening? Are they taking you seriously?

NACHMANY: I think there is definitely movement in the right direction. But definitely not in the right pace.

GORANI: Yes.

NACHMANY: so the U.K. has declared a climate emergency, another few countries have declared climate emergency. The policies are not there in

place yet to start doing this at the real pace that we need to be acting (ph) --

GORANI: Yes. And you can't do it alone. One country can't do it alone. It's a global problem.

NACHMANY: This is a group exercise.

GORANI: Michal Nachmany, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate your time on the program.

NACHMANY: Thank you.

GORANI: The U.K. is feeling the heat politically as well, after an overnight slash-and-burn saw 17 of 22 of Theresa May's cabinet members

replaced. And while you can get rid of old staff, you can -- you can't get rid of old issues.

[14:10:11] In his first speech to Parliament as prime minister, Boris Johnson said he wants to, quote, "turbocharge preparations for Brexit,"

saying he's committed to getting out on October 31st, with or without a deal. Anna Stewart joins us now, live from London's Parliament Square.

How was that speech greeted in Parliament? And there's a protest behind you. Tell us about that as well.

ANNA STEWART, CNN REPORTER: Yes. Well, I'll just explain what's happening behind me because it's kind of hard to hear you, Hala. We got Jeremy

Corbyn, the leader of the opposition party. He called this rally outside Parliament to call for a general election. He thinks, of course, that

Boris Johnson shouldn't be the prime minister. He thinks that the vote should be put to the people.

However, I think this is fairly interesting, given today, this Labour leader did have an opportunity to table a motion of no confidence in the

government, to potentially spark an election, of course, if he won it. But he didn't, which means he has to wait all the way until September, when

they all come back from their summer recess. Today was the last day M.P.s sat in Parliament.

As to Boris Johnson's first speech in Parliament as prime minister, well, I'd say largely, it wasn't that surprising. He says that, as usual, he

will take the U.K. out of the E.U., 31st of October, deal or no deal. He wants a deal, but he said he's going to turbocharge no-deal preparations to

ensure they are ready. And I think that has some in the E.U. fairly concerned -- Hala.

GORANI: As far as Theresa May is concerned, it looks like she's taking her post-premiership in stride. She was pictured enjoying a gin and tonic, I

understand, at a cricket match with other dismissed members of government. Let's put that picture up. What is the future -- what does the future hold

for Theresa May?

STEWART: Well, that remains to be seen. She said yesterday, as she was leaving, that she would remain an M.P. She'll go to the back bench, she'll

probably watch on with great interest. But for now, as you say, she's taking some time off. Quite rightly, given the last few months and years

that she's had. She looked fairly happy, I'd say, at the cricket at Lord's.

I think as a backbench, she'll be very interesting to see, whether she's a rebellious one. She hasn't been in the past. She's always been very

supportive of whichever government she works for, although she's largely been a cabinet minister of late, so it will be a first, really, for her to

be such a well-known backbench M.P.

But we know her position, of course, on Brexit. We know that she does not want a no-deal. So if Boris Johnson pushes towards that way, you wonder

how many Tory rebels, including, maybe, the former prime minister, could be there to defeat him on that -- Hala.

GORANI: And I wonder, what is Labour's strategy? Because in their minds - - and I spoke to several Labour M.P.s over the last few days -- they want a general election because they seem to think that if they get an election,

they'll win. But that's far from certain, isn't it?

STEWART: I think it's very uncertain. And I think they're very worried that they certainly wouldn't win a confidence vote at this stage in

Parliament. Because if they thought that, then they could have got general (ph) election, they could have done that today. They had the opportunity.

The other opposition party, the Liberal Democrats, said that they wanted Labour to do this. They would have supported that, but they didn't.

I think Labour do want a general election, if you listened to Jeremy Corbyn behind me, he's certainly calling for one. Trouble is, will that happen

now? Unlikely. I think the summer recess will be filled with political noise from both sides of the divide.

But if we approach the October 31st deadline -- if we approach that and a no-deal is looking likely, that is when we're more likely to see a

confidence motion table. Because at that stage, you may see rebellious Tory M.P.s deciding to vote with Labour, with the opposition. And that

would spark a general election.

The current government won't be calling one before Brexit, at least that's what Boris Johnson always maintained during his campaign -- Hala.

GORANI: All right. Anna Stewart, thanks very much.

[14:13:10] A lot more to come. The dust is settling after Robert Mueller's long-awaited testimony on Capitol Hill. The question now is, what happens

next? We'll look at the fallout and speak with a congressman who's calling for impeachment proceedings against President Trump to begin. We'll be

right back.

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GORANI: All right. Let's talk more about the highly anticipated testimony by Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Capitol Hill yesterday. "They're

doing it as we sit here." That is one of his warnings from yesterday, about Russia's continuing interference in U.S. elections. And it was one

of the biggest takeaways from his testimony on Capitol Hill.

But President Donald Trump and fellow Republicans are not talking about that today. Instead, they're saying, essentially, "Case closed" on the

former special counsel's report. That's what Republicans want.

Mr. Trump is claiming victory despite Mueller knocking down his claim that he was totally exonerated on obstruction of justice allegations. In fact,

Mueller said the Trump campaign welcomed Russian election help and then lied to cover it up. But he also stressed that a sitting president cannot

be indicted, and that's why he did not pursue that track.

Mueller stuck mostly to his report, but did reveal a few new things, including this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. VAL DEMINGS (D-FL): Director Mueller, isn't it fair to say that the president's written answers were not only inadequate and incomplete,

because he didn't answer many of your questions, but where he did, his answers showed that he wasn't always being truthful?

ROBERT MUELLER, FORMER U.S. SPECIAL COUNSEL: There -- I would say, generally.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GORANI: Let's talk more about the fallout from Mueller's testimony. I'm joined by CNN Political Commentator, David Swerdlick. He's an assistant

editor at "The Washington Post."

What was your biggest takeaway from these hearings, David?

DAVID SWERDLICK, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes. Good afternoon, Hala. So I think that was Congresswoman Demings from Florida, that you were just

playing there. I don't have a monitor here. She's the former Orlando police chief. She got Mueller to say, essentially, that the president had

not always been truthful.

You had Congressman Nadler getting the president -- getting Special Counsel Mueller to say, essentially, that he had not exonerated the president.

There were a number of other highlights from the point of view of Democrats -- the questioning of Congressman Johnson from Georgia, the questioning of

Congressman Schiff.

But, big picture, I think the reason you have the president and the administration today saying, "Case closed, let's move on, nothing to see

here," is because Democrats and Special Counsel Mueller struggled to tie it all together, to connect the dots how -- whatever metaphor you want to use,

to create a narrative that was going to grab ahold of the attention of Americans, who maybe only know spotty details from the report or who

haven't read the report.

And that's why I think we are here today, where we were a day and a half or two days ago, with Democrats having some solid evidence in the report that

they can work with, but not momentum going downhill for impeachment hearings.

GORANI: You mean that Democrats were hoping for kind of fireworks, big headlines, a forceful condemnation of the president by Robert Mueller,

maybe even something not in the original report, and they didn't get that?

SWERDLICK: I don't think that they were hoping for something not in the original report. And I don't even think they were hoping for fireworks.

Special Counsel Mueller, a Vietnam -- decorated Vietnam hero, former FBI director, career prosecutor and civil servant, is famously stoic, famously

not --

[14:20:10] GORANI: Right.

SWERDLICK: -- flamboyant. But -- so that was expected. But I do think Democrats were hoping that, as several of them said, going into the

hearings, the movie, if you will, would be better than the book. It turned out that the movie really wasn't that much different than the book. A lot

of dry facts, which Democrats worked all day to lay out, and got some of them laid out. But didn't --

GORANI: Yes.

SWERDLICK: -- get the story they wanted, that was going to sort of compel the public and other members of Congress who are already not on board with

impeachment, to say, "Wow, we've really got to impeach."

One more quick point, Hala. And that is --

GORANI: Yes.

SWERDLICK: -- to remember that, of course, Republicans are not behind any impeachment effort. But even a majority of the majority in the House, a

majority of Democrats in the House, have not yet signed on to impeachment, even if they think there was wrongdoing by the president and his team.

GORANI: So I guess the question is, what happens next here. Because this is it. This was the highly anticipated --

SWERDLICK: Right.

GORANI: -- testimony by Robert Mueller. Where do we go from here? More Democrats are now calling for the start of impeachment proceedings -- I'll

be speaking to one of these congresspeople in a moment -- what should we expect there?

SWERDLICK: Well, from my point of view, I think Democrats should try to get more of the actual witnesses rather than the prosecutors, to testify in

open committee.

One witness who they've not heard from who they've had trouble subpoenaing is former White House Counsel Don McGahn, who in the report, it is said, he

was told -- or he essentially testified in the report, that he was told or signaled or somehow other communicated by the president, that he wanted him

to get rid of Special Counsel Mueller before the investigation was completed. Mueller ratified that finding yesterday, but I think Democrats

would be strengthened by hearing from McGahn.

One other witness that's less talked about is Mark Corallo. He was a spokesperson for the president's private legal team, who has some knowledge

about the back-and-forth between the president and his son, Donald Trump Jr., over the initial written response that came out after the -- it was

unearthed that Donald Trump Jr. had met with Natalia Veselnitskaya, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort in Trump Tower in June 2016. We haven't heard from

Corallo yet in open hearing. I wonder why not.

GORANI: Now, let's talk overall 2020 strategy.

SWERDLICK: Sure.

GORANI: Is this -- how does this register with voters? These hearings, and Democrats focusing a lot on the report into Russian interference, on

these hearings with Robert Mueller. Does it move the needle in their favor? Because their ultimate goal is defeating Donald Trump next year.

SWERDLICK: Right. So, Hala, I didn't check the most recent polling before coming on-air with you today. But polling over the last weeks and months

has shown that the American public is mixed on this.

There are stronger poll numbers favoring the idea that Congress should continue to do oversight, continue to hold hearings, continue to look into

whether or not wrongdoing was done. Polling is not as strong on moving forward with formal impeachment hearings.

My assessment from yesterday is that the needle didn't really move one way or another. I think opinions are pretty baked in. People who think that

the president and his campaign and the administration have not been forthcoming, have done things that, whether or not criminal, were not

appropriate related to their 2016 campaign, people still think that.

People who are on the president's side in this, I still think are on the president's side.

Speaker Pelosi has steadfastly refused -- she hasn't ruled out impeachment, but she has refused to move forward with it. She is unequivocally the

leader in the House up to now. There are a lot of reasons for that. And her caucus mostly is sticking with her.

One of the obvious reasons given is that Democrats don't want a replay of 1999, when Republicans --

GORANI: Right.

SWERDLICK: -- controlled the House, impeached President Clinton. It didn't go well for them in the following election. But there are other

reasons --

GORANI: Sure.

SWERDLICK: -- behind the scenes. But that is a logjam right now.

GORANI: David Swerdlick, they don't want to make him a martyr. That could be one of the things. David Swerdlick of "The Washington Post" --

SWERDLICK: They don't want to make him a martyr. And I think Pelosi believes her -- their best chances of holding onto the House are to protect

Democrats in vulnerable districts who might not want to be forced to take a vote on impeachment.

GORANI: All right. Thanks very much. David Swerdlick.

SWERDLICK: Thanks, Hala.

GORANI: Well, another lawmaker who questioned Mueller is calling for impeachment proceedings against President Trump. Democrat Andre Carson

says the very future of American democracy is at stake. And he's joining me now from Capitol Hill.

We're seen all over the world, Congressman Carson. And thanks for being with us.

REP. ANDRE CARSON (D-IN): Thank you.

GORANI: A lot of people followed the Mueller testimony on Capitol Hill yesterday on CNN International. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe you're

the 94th congressperson supporting the start of impeachment inquiry into President Trump. Is that the case? And if so, why do you think this would

be beneficial politically to your party now?

CARSON: Well, I think this is a very important discussion that we -- that must take place. I think that we're seeing a rapid shift in our

environment, where people are really questioning the motives of President Trump. They're really asking, "Is he fit to represent us as commander in

chief?"

And so I think we have to take this road. I think that the Mueller hearings really reaffirmed what we already knew in terms of Russia's

encroachment upon our electoral process. The president and his cronies, their deliberate attempt to thwart an investigation.

And so -- and so the public is weary. They're tired. They're fatigued. And so I think that supporting this inquiry is a step in the right

direction.

GORANI: You asked some pointed questions to Special Counsel Robert Mueller. I want to play some of what you asked him, yesterday on Capitol

Hill, for our viewers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CARSON: Would you agree, sir, that the sharing of private campaign information in exchange for money represents a particular kind of

corruption, one that presents a national security risk to our country, sir?

MUELLER: I'm not going to opine on that. I don't have the expertise in that arena, to really opine.

CARSON: Well, I can tell you that in my years of experience as a law enforcement officer and as a member of Congress, fortunate to serve on the

Intel Committee, I know enough to say yes.

Trading political secrets for money with a foreign adversary can corrupt. And it can leave you open to blackmail. And it certainly represents a

betrayal of the values underpinning our democracy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GORANI: What did you make of Special Counsel Mueller's response to your question? Is this basically a national security threat to the United

States?

CARSON: Well, certainly. I mean, obviously. I mean, this has been known for years. This is a part of the Russian playbook. I think it's something

we should take very seriously. Many members of Congress, many law enforcement agencies are meeting with state and local officials about this

very concern.

Blockchain has come up as a result. Cloud storage has come up as a result. And so all of us, in our different municipalities and bailiwicks, are

trying to navigate election security. And it's a question that we're trying to wrestle with as we speak.

GORANI: Do you think that the United States is not doing what it needs to be doing, based on what happened in 2016, to protect itself from further

attacks? Because it seems like for me, the biggest takeaway of what Robert Mueller said yesterday was, sounding the alarm again and again and again.

And saying, "It didn't just happen a few years ago. It is happening right now."

Is the United States, are lawmakers taking this seriously enough?

CARSON: Oh, I think so. I think lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are taking it very seriously. It's important because it impacts their

districts, it impacts their constituents. And I think it would be a slap in the face to our constituents and to the American people, to not take

this matter very seriously.

GORANI: All right. There were bills in the Senate, I understand, that were blocked by the Republican majority, that would have protected the

electoral system further?

CARSON: Well, we're going to keep trying. I think like any piece of legislation, sometimes there are successes, sometimes there are failures,

unfortunately. But if it's a good piece of legislation and we make the case before the American people and urge voters to contact their members of

Congress or even senators, to persuade them to support a critical piece of legislation like protecting our electoral process, I think we'll see some

headwinds.

GORANI: Donald Trump, the U.S. president, had this to say about the Mueller testimony -- and then I'll get you to react, Congressman.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The performance was obviously not very good. He had a lot of problems. But what he showed

more than anything else, is that this whole thing has been three years of embarrassment and waste of time for our country. And you know what? The

Democrats thought they could win an election like this, I think they hurt themselves very badly for 2020.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GORANI: There are some pundits -- I'm sure you saw the analysis, or the post-game, as it's called -- that said of the Democrats, that they didn't

help themselves with these hearings, that they perhaps were hoping for more of a big headline that would convince the American people that there was

interference, and potentially even obstruction, and they didn't get it.

And so that this really didn't serve your purposes politically. How do you respond to that?

CARSON: I disagree. I think the hearing served its purpose. It was to reaffirm that the Russians did in fact attempt to infiltrate our electoral

process and influence the elections. And President Trump and his team, they tried to halt and disturb an investigation.

[14:30:05] And so the hearing was very clear. It was very helpful. And I think it serves its purpose. Now, we have a responsibility to move

forward.

GORANI: And moving forward with impeachment proceedings inquiry?

CARSON: It's a discussion that we're having within the caucus. I mean, there are different ideological and philosophical views as it relates to

impeachment. I think many members of Congress, very seriously, think that we should focus on other things right now, infrastructure, national

security, education, those are important things. And I think our constituents are saying infrastructure and jobs before they say

impeachment.

GORANI: Andre Carson, thanks so much for joining us. Democratic congressman --

CARSON: What an honor.

GORANI: -- from Indiana. Thanks so much. Member of the House Intelligence Committee as well who questioned Mueller, as we mentioned.

Still to come tonight, President Trump vowed to guarantee his bail, but an American rapper detained in Sweden will not be going anywhere until his

trial, at least. The latest on A$AP Rocky, ahead. A report from Sweden.

Plus, mission accomplished for the people of Puerto Rico. After weeks of protests against their governor, Ricardo Rossello says he will be stepping

down. We're live in San Juan.

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GORANI: The American rapper who U.S. president, Donald Trump, urged Sweden to free, and even vowed to guarantee his bail, is now charged with assault.

And he's facing trial in that country. Swedish prosecutors say A$AP Rocky will remain in custody until his trial begins on Tuesday. Melissa bell is

in Stockholm. And we warn you, some images in her report are or could be considered disturbing. Melissa?

MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It was the worst possible news for A$AP Rocky this morning. After more than three weeks spent in

detention here on the grounds that the Swedish judiciary believed that he was a flight risk. He learned today that the Swedish prosecutor in charge

of his case believed that he and two members of his entourage had committed a crime.

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BELL (voice-over): 30-year-old American rapper, A$AP Rocky, has been charged with assault in Sweden. The country's public prosecutor says these

images of a street fight on June 30th, first posted by TMZ and widely circulated on the internet, are part of the evidence against A$AP Rocky.

As are these pictures just released today in court documents. According to the prosecutor, the stills taken from surveillance cameras show A$AP Rocky

and two members of his entourage assaulting a man by kicking him and beating him with a glass bottle.

[14:35:00] The 30-year-old rapper whose real name is Rakim Mayers was deemed a flight risk and has been in custody since July 3rd. His lawyer

has maintained that his client was defending himself after being assaulted and that he is innocent and acted in self-defense.

Among the 552 pages of court documents released today, images of the victim, Mustafa Jafari's injuries. Jafari is an Afghan national who moved

to Sweden in 2016.

The investigation into his role in the brawl was dropped on Monday, according to the Swedish prosecutor. Jafari's lawyer says his client is

pleased with the outcome, but traumatized by the events.

MAGNUS STROMBERG, ATTORNEY TO MUSTAFA JAFARI: This is very difficult for him. When it comes to the injuries, there has been a lot of pain. When it

comes to mental condition, this has been immensely stressful. Yes, problems to sleep. So it's very, very difficult for him.

BELL: Today, the prosecutor said he'd based his findings on videos already widely circulated. Others not yet seen. As well as surveillance, CCTV

footage and witness statements.

The prosecution says that a bottle was used to beat the victim, although police didn't find any DNA evidence on it.

Over the weekend, U.S. president, Donald Trump, got involved tweeting that he'd called the Swedish prime minister and offering to vouch for A$AP's

bail on Twitter, although Sweden doesn't have a bail system.

The Swedish prime minister told the American president that the government wouldn't interfere in the independent judicial process. We asked A$AP's

lawyer what the rapper had made of that.

SLOBODAN JOVICIC, ATTORNEY FOR A$AP ROCKY: He's in a place where he's totally isolated and gets the info that he has. And I think it's better

for him to come out and explain about his feelings. I mean, now, he's just in a place where he's very, very thankful for everyone that's (INAUDIBLE)

BELL: A$AP Rocky's lawyer says that his client is trying to keep busy in jail answering the many letters he's received as he awaits a trial that

will begin on Tuesday.

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BELL: A$AP Rocky's lawyer saying that the American rapper will now be looking to the trial next week to try and clear his name and get home as

quickly as he can. Hala?

GORANI: All right. Melissa, thanks very much. Melissa in Stockholm.

So protests turned to celebration in Puerto Rico. The embattled governor, Ricardo Rossello, said he would step down after more than a week of

demonstrations calling for his resignation and after he said he wouldn't. The streets of San Juan erupted into a big party following the announcement

which came close to midnight.

Thousands have jammed the streets of San Juan in protest for days after leaked text messages between the governor and his inner circle showed

homophobic and misogynistic insults. Rafael Romo has more on the resignation from San Juan.

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RAFAEL ROMO, CNN SENIOR LATIN AMERICAN AFFAIRS EDITOR: It took 15 days from the moment Governor Rossello apologized to Puerto Ricans for

participating in a private chat that contained remarks that were considered racist, homophobic, and deeply offensive to the Puerto Rican people, to the

resignation announcement just before midnight.

And people here in Puerto Rico celebrated in a very loud way, banging on pots. They had drums. They were very, very happy. They had protested

every single day for 12 days. Demanding that the governor resigned immediately. Finally, he listened to them. And now the transition process

begins.

Presumably, secretary of justice, Wanda Vazquez, is going to be sworn in as governor, but the resignation is not immediate. It's going to take effect

on August the 2nd at 5:00 in the afternoon. The governor said that he needed some time to finish some issues on which he was working on.

So in the meantime, he remains governor. And since the governor's secretary of state resigned, and some other members of his cabinet have

already done so, it was very clear that the government was very much being abandoned by members of his cabinet and some of his aides. And was going

to be no longer possible for him to govern effectively. And so the decision finally came on Tuesday just before midnight.

Now, people are going to march again. And they say that instead of being a strike, as they had initially called it, is going to be a celebration March

in the streets of San Juan today.

Rafael Romo, CNN, San Juan, Puerto Rico.

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GORANI: South Korea is raising the alarm over its neighbor to the North. Just weeks after the American president stepped foot -- set foot inside

North Korea, the South Korean military says North Korea test fired two projectiles. Seoul says they are a new type of short-range ballistic

missile and they are warning they pose a military threat.

CNN Pentagon Reporter, Ryan Browne, joins me now. What do we know about these projectiles that South Korea says were lobbed at them?

[14:40:57] RYAN BROWNE, CNN PENTAGON REPORTER: Well, Hala, the Defense Department says that they resemble -- defense officials here are telling us

it resembles the missiles that North Korea fired back in May. And that these are short-range ballistic missiles that traveled several hundred

kilometers and had an altitude that was typical of this type of ballistic missile.

Now they're still analyzing exactly what the type of missile is. They haven't gone as far as -- the U.S. has not gone as far as South Korea to

describe it as a new threat. Saying that it resembles what North Korea has used in the past.

But we're hearing a very muted reaction from the United States to this launch. Even in May, the U.S. was much more vocal about what North Korea

did. We've had no comment from any senior officials, even though national security adviser, John Bolton, was actually in South Korea on Wednesday.

We haven't heard much about this launch officially from the U.S.

In fact, President Trump was here at the Pentagon today. There was made no mention of the Korea situation. So a very muted response from the U.S. to

this latest launch. At least publicly.

GORANI: And why is it publicly muted? Is it to sort of preserve the diplomatic relationship between Kim Jong-un and the president after their

DMZ meeting a few weeks ago?

BROWNE: Well, that's what many believe. President Trump actually went so far back in May to say that those launches weren't a violation of U.N.

restrictions, which was actually disputed by his own national security adviser and his own then secretary of defense. So President Trump has gone

out of his way to downplay any North Korean action in order to create some diplomatic space for negotiations.

And also to kind of -- he has long talked about this decline in North Korean nuclear and missile testing as evidence of success of his diplomatic

outreach. So it's possible that he's attempting to keep that narrative going, despite this most recent launch.

GORANI: But at the Pentagon, and away from the cameras, is there concern?

BROWNE: There is always concern. They keep a close eye on North Korea. There is increased monitoring going on. They're assessing the situation.

You know, they did this launch in May. They've seen activity, defense officials tell CNN that they've seen North Korea move things around here

and there.

They tend to be on the smaller scale. They haven't seen that nuclear testing, they haven't seen those ICBM, those longer-range missile testing

go on. So there is some solace in that, but they are keeping a close eye on the situation.

GORANI: Ryan Browne at the Pentagon, thanks very much.

Tunisia will observe seven days of mourning for its first democratically elected leader. The Tunisian president, Beji Caid Essebsi, died early

Thursday, hours after being taken to a military hospital. He was 92. He was hospitalized briefly last month with a -- what was described as a

severe illness.

Essebsi became prime minister in 2011 after the country's longtime ruler was ousted in the region's Arab Spring uprising. The first country to rise

up against its dictator. He helped draft a new constitution guaranteeing democratic rights, and he was elected president in 2014.

A new development in the disturbing story of multimillionaire, Jeffrey Epstein. Law enforcement sources tell CNN, Epstein has been injured in a

New York jail where he's awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. Sources say Epstein was found with marks on his neck. But that is not

clear if that was self-inflicted or if he was attacked. The sources say Epstein told authorities he was beaten up and he is now on suicide watch.

Epstein's case has attracted attention because he's been friends with the very rich and the very famous, including Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and

members of Britain's royal family.

Still to come, despite reports that Syria's rebels are almost defeated, the violence and suffering continues. And in some places, it is actually away

from the headlines getting far, far worse. We'll be right back.

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[14:45:06] GORANI: The U.N. High Commissioner for refugees says the worst Mediterranean tragedy of the year has just occurred. Around 150 migrants

are feared dead after their boat sank off the coast of Libya. Women and children are believed to be among those missing. The International

Organization for Migration says 145 people, mostly from Sudan and Eritrea have been returned to Libya.

Now, to the civil war in Syria and the growing humanitarian crisis there. We don't talk about it as much on the news every day. But it is getting so

much worse in some parts of the country. The Syrian government and its Russian allies have been conducting air strikes on Idlib, the rebel-held

province in northern Syria. And civilian targets are being repeatedly hit.

The British charity, Save the Children, says more children have died in Idlib in the last four weeks than in all of last year.

And in southern Syria, as if that weren't enough, thousands of displaced civilians are going with almost no food, water, or medicine. Some of them

starving. Even though a U.S. military outpost is just 10 miles away. But it's not helping.

CNN's Political Analyst, Josh Rogin, and Washington Post columnist has been looking into that. Talk to us about what's going on with these people.

These displaced people in Syria who don't have enough food, water or medicine to survive.

JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: There are about 30,000 innocent civilians living in the Rukban, internally displaced persons camp, 10 miles

from the Tanf U.S. military base in southeast Syria. They had been struggling, but getting by, based on intermittent U.N. aid convoys. But

the Russian government and the Assad regime stopped allowing those aid convoys months ago.

And for complicated reasons, the U.S. government won't feed them. So they're literally starving to death in the desert. No food, medicine or

water, no schools, no clinics. The elderly and the young are the most vulnerable. They're begging on Facebook and Twitter for help. They want

to be transported to non-Assad held areas or fed. And right now, neither of those things are happening, and they're suffering greatly.

GORANI: Why won't the U.S. help?

ROGIN: I talked to Jim Jeffrey, the U.S. Special Representative for Syria about this last weekend. He said that the U.S. government is still trying

to work the diplomatic channel with Russia and that if the U.S. government starts feeding these people, it will be acknowledging responsibility for

the well-being. A responsibility they may not be able to fulfill.

To me, that sounds like a recipe for continued starvation of these people because, essentially, as long as the Assad regime holds the key to them

eating, there's a lot of incentive for the Assad regime never to let them eat.

Now, the U.S. government and Jeffrey, are right in the sense the U.S. military presence in Syria is not assured. It's possible we may not be

able to feed them later, but there a lot of people in Washington feel like that's no excuse not to feed them right now.

GORANI: What are they saying? You say a lot of them are calling for help on social media. What types of messages are they -- are they putting out?

ROGIN: So they've started a campaign. They're cut off from the world. There's no roads out of the camp. But they've started a social media

campaign called the Voice of Rukban to plead for any and all assistance. They would love to be moved to the north or east to Iraq or simply to be

given the food and water to survive.

What they say is that they're watching their children dying, and they can't do anything about it. What they're saying is that they're grateful to be

under the protection of U.S. forces because it keeps the Assad regime, ISIS and Iranian troops at bay, and they don't want to be starved into the

decision of going back to Assad-held areas where they will surely be conscripted, detained, or killed.

But they are on their last legs. And if we don't feed them soon, they will surely not be saying much for much longer.

[14:50:02] GORANI: How long has it been since they've received a food shipment?

ROGIN: The last aid convoy was in February. People on the ground say it was enough to feed about 10,000 people for a few days. That's six months

ago, and there's still 30,000 people there. There used to be smuggling routes but those have largely been cut off by Assad, Russian, and Iranian

forces.

They live inside this security zone that surrounds the Tanf base. And the soldiers that help Americans fight ISIS in the area are recruited from the

camp. So the U.S. aided soldiers get to eat, but their family and friends are left to starve. It's an untenable situation that's getting worse by

the day.

GORANI: All right. We'll continue to keep our eye on this story. Thanks, Josh Rogin, for bringing it to our attention. You've published an article

about this on -- in the Washington Post. Thanks so much.

We'll be right back.

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GORANI: The owner of an Israeli football team is calling out some of its own fans for racism. A group of hardcore supporters of Beitar Jerusalem

say they don't want any Arabs or Muslims on their squad, an attitude that this owner is trying to wipe out. And also there is a focus on one

particular player. And Michael Holmes has our report from Jerusalem.

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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's a piano-playing high-tech millionaire who decided to take on racist soccer

fans by buying the team. Beitar Jerusalem is one of Israel's top clubs. The only one never to sign an Arab Muslim player and one with a history of

racism from a vocal segment of its fan base.

MOSHE HOGEG, OWNER, BEITAR JERUSALEM: I'm here to build a stone club, and advanced club, a competitive club that is winning titles with football, but

at the same time, to take bad thing and take racism and cut it out of Beitar Jerusalem.

HOLMES: Moshe Hogeg has his work cut out for him. Beitar Jerusalem has been infamous for a small group of hardcore supporters called La Familia.

Best known for their chants of "Death to Arabs."

HOGEG: They're racist. And that's a big problem. And this small group affected the name of the hundreds of thousands of amazing Beitar fans that

are not racist at all.

HOLMES: The fan record has improved. Two racist chants recorded in 2018 down from 17 the season prior. That's according to the NGO, the New Israel

Fund. But it's a new season, and with it, a new challenge. The signing of a player named Ali Mohamed. Soon, La Familia's chants against their own

player came.

"Mohamed is dead" is what they're saying. "Ali is dead."

HOLMES (on-camera): Now, here's the thing. Not that it should matter, of course, but Ali Mohamed is neither Arab nor is he Muslim. He's from Niger

and he says he's a devout Christian. But because his name sounds Muslim, that's enough for some fans to want to change his name just so they don't

have to say Mohamed.

[14:55:58] HOLMES (voice-over): The racist element is a minority, and at the club's first preseason practice, the "Mohamed is dead" and "Ali is

dead" chants were drowned out by other fans. Moshe Hogeg says he's suing fans who cross the line.

HOGEG: I don't go to the police. I just send -- I file a lawsuit of anywhere between a million shekel that is equivalent to let's say -- let's

say $300,000 and up to half a million dollars. On damaging trying -- or damaging the reputation of the club.

HOLMES: Hogeg says lawyers have sent warning letters to three fans demanding an apology. The Beitar owner says if they don't come, he will

file the lawsuits.

Ali Mohamed won't talk about fan racism. He wants his football to do the talking. And this happened when we tried to get La Familia members to talk

on camera.

At this practice, La Familia members were present but overwhelmed by other fans making it clear Ali Mohamed is welcome at Beitar Jerusalem.

HOLMES (on-camera): What do you think of the fans?

ALI MOHAMED, BEITAR JERUSALEM FOOTBALL PLAYER: Amazing. You can see for yourself. It's amazing. I didn't expect this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ali, Ali.

HOLMES: Moshe Hogeg admits it's been a tough fight and it's not yet won. He even contemplated selling the club, but he hasn't. Instead, he waits

for one moment that will make his fight worthwhile.

HOGEG: When Mohamed will score a goal, you will hear the whole stadium cheering for him. I think it will be an historic moment for this club and

an important one.

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HOLMES: Michael Holmes, CNN, Jerusalem.

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GORANI: Some people swim the English Channel, others prefer to sail. But one French inventor wanted to do it by hoverboard. You may remember this

man. Franky Zapata. He hovered over the July 14th parade in Paris.

Well, he attempted to make the crossing between France and Britain on a jet-powered hoverboard. The same one he used in Paris. But he crashed

during a refueling pit stop, 17 kilometers from the finish. He wasn't hurt. Zapata had been attempting to set a record, but definitely had his

doubters. He himself said there was only about a 30 percent chance that his attempt would succeed.

Thanks for watching tonight. I'm Hala Gorani. I'll see you next time. Stay with CNN. "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up next.

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