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[22:00:00] ALEXANDER MARQUARDT, CNN ANCHOR: -- returned home. He is a presidential candidate and spoke just moments ago.


BETO O'ROURKE (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Seen everybody under different circumstances and conditions. Our sympathies go out to the families of the victims, many of whom we just got to spend time with, some of whom do not know where their loved one is right now. Many fearing and expecting the worst because they have not heard from them and have received no news.

We also met incredibly heroic El Pasoans who have survived the most devastating injuries that I can imagine, many of them shot many times over, who are pulling through right now. Just had a chance to talk to University Medical Center president Jacob Cintron. The nurses and the doctors who are taking care of these patients, absolute all-time heroes.

This community that is bringing more food than anybody can eat right now inside, that is donating more blood than we could have possibly expected. El Paso is really showing up and standing up for our fellow El Pasoans right now.

Lastly just want to say I'm so grateful to the El Paso Police Department and the first responders and everyone who is on the scene today including many of you who have to live with something that we thought we would never, ever see in El Paso. More murders today than we have in an average year in the city of El Paso.

We don't know all the details yet, and we await the completion of this investigation. But what I'm hearing from statements from the El Paso Police Department, preliminary indications that this is motivated by hatred, by racism, by an intolerance that is foreign to El Paso. And in fact had to be brought somewhere else into this community to do something like what we are seeing right now.

And so I would just say that in addition to everything that we're doing for our fellow El Pasoans right now and meeting them in this time of suffering and need and crisis, and in addition to making sure that we change our laws so it is harder for something like this to happen again, I think we also have to ask ourselves about the level of hatred and racism that we're seeing in this country right now that could lead to an event like the one that we saw here today. And that is on all of us to both call out and to stop and in our case

in El Paso to be the example of how we don't just respect one another, we embrace our differences as the very source of our strength. So could not be more proud of El Paso and the way that we're responding to this tragedy today. Happy to take your questions.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sir, regarding the manifesto and everything that was in it, fears about Hispanic immigration and all that, does any of this fall at the feet of President Donald Trump and his rhetoric that's been growing over the last couple of weeks and his alleged racist tweets and other rhetoric?

O'ROURKE: Yes. We've had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years. During an administration where you have a president who's called Mexicans rapists and criminals. Though Mexican immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than those born here in the country, he has tried to make us afraid of them, to some real effect and consequence. Attempting to ban all Muslims from this country. The day that he signed that executive order the mosque in Victoria, Texas, was burned to the ground.

Those chants that we heard in Greenville, North Carolina, "send her back," talking about our fellow American citizens, duly elected to represent their constituents in the Congress who happen to be women of color. He is a racist and he stokes racism in this country, and it does not just offend our sensibilities. It fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence.

And again, there are still details that we are waiting on. But I'm just following the lead that I've heard from the El Paso Police Department where they say there are strong indications that this shooter wrote that manifesto and that this was inspired by his hatred of people here in this community.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Were you in there with patients? Like what did you tell them and what did they tell you?

O'ROURKE: I told them I am so amazed at how strong they are. We met a woman who was shot in the chest. The bullet passed through her lungs. She's having her lungs drained of fluid right now. She has learned that her mother who was with her was shot, that her aunt was shot as well. Three family members, all of whom are shot, all of whom are pulling through here tonight, all of whom are surrounded by family.

[22:05:05] And these extraordinary nurses and doctors and frontline staff here at University Medical Center, we're hearing very similar things about the staff at Del Sol. Those waiting rooms are full of people. Met a woman just now who said that she hasn't been able to hear anything about her husband for the last hour. He was also shot in the chest. Has not been as responsive. But the doctors tell her that he seems to be doing better minute by minute. But I can only imagine what she is feeling right now. And she told me, she told me and Amy, she said, this has got to change. She said this keeps happening in this country. Why is this happening? Why do we allow this to happen? This has to change. Her husband and other members of the family and their little children

were all at a table selling merchandise to raise funds for the soccer team that he coaches. Doing something great for their community. Never expecting something like this to happen. And now pulling for her husband to make it through right now. And her kids witnessed the entire thing. So many families, so many extraordinary people, so much hope in that waiting room right now. So much strength in the individual ICU rooms that we got to be in. Again, it makes me just incredibly proud of El Paso and of these people, these survivors.

But they're also asking us to do something about this. And yes, it's the gun laws. Yes, it's the universal background checks. And yes, we should stop selling weapons of war into our communities. But I think we also have to confront this hatred that I have never seen in my lifetime. And we certainly have not seen in El Paso. Some years in a city of almost 700,000 we have five murders the entire year.

Our average over the last ten years is 18. We exceeded that average just on one day. This is not normal. It is not acceptable. We cannot just move on from this. And the folks that I just met do not want us just to move on from this.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: (Speaking foreign language)

O'ROURKE: Si. (Speaking Foreign Language).

MARQUARDT: Son of El Paso, former Texas congressman and presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke there now back in his hometown after leaving the campaign trail. He started his day in Las Vegas and came home in the wake of this horrible massacre. There giving a small press conference in both English and Spanish and was asked point blank whether he holds President Trump responsible for the tenor, the tone, the vitriol in this country that leads to this kind of violence. And he said in no uncertain terms yes. That you can draw that line.

He said, quote, "That Trump is a racist and he stokes racism in this country that fundamentally changes the nature of this country and leads to violence." Some very strong words there from Beto O'Rourke, the former Texas congressman, also saying this is not who we are, this is something that we have never seen before in El Paso, Texas, saying that there are around five murders a year in El Paso, today at least 20 people have been killed.

I want to turn to CNN's Ed Lavandera who is in El Paso at the scene of this deadly shooting.

Ed, we have learned a lot more in the last few hours about this 21- year-old suspect who was accused of carrying out this massacre. Tell us what we do know.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, what we do know that here Texas authorities are already talking about how this suspect could very well face the death penalty here, that law enforcement officials and the governor of Texas saying that this person will be prosecuted to the fullest extent in a crime of this magnitude carries the death penalty here in the state of Texas. We also know that FBI investigators are working alongside those local authorities investigating the hate crime avenue in all of this as well.

[22:10:10] So those are the pieces of the puzzle that are moving right now. And here at the scene, we are in a parking lot just behind the Walmart where the shooting unfolded earlier today. This is a Walmart and a parking lot in the shopping center that is still completely locked down. Investigators are still inside. We have seen dozens of cars still left in the parking lot from people who were here shopping when this shooting occurred. Unable to come back into this parking lot. It's all locked down as investigators do their work.

And we're also hearing some harrowing stories here, Alex, tonight from a number of people. One family in particular, the family of Angie Englisbee, who's an 86-year-old woman. We've spoken with her son and her daughter, and they tell us that the elderly woman was inside the Walmart and she had spoken to a relative over the phone just minutes before the shooting took place. And they say that she was in the checkout line and that the shooting erupted somehow -- sometime after that.

The son and daughter have been unable throughout the course of the day to locate their mother. We do not know the condition of this woman, Angie Englisbee. We do not know if she is still inside the store or if she's been taken to a hospital and these children have not been able to reunite with her in any way. But that is the stress and the emotion that many people here in El Paso are feeling tonight.

You can hear a little bit from the woman's daughter, who spoke with us just a little while ago.


EDIE HALLBERG, SEARCHING FOR HER MISSING MOTHER: So folks stayed in MacArthur School. And we went to school there. She doesn't -- then my niece took me to Pebble Hills. She wasn't there. The bus was empty. All the people were gone. And we said, well -- I asked the cops at MacArthur, I want to know where my mom is. Where are the people that are at Walmart? Where did you put them all, huh? Where have they all gone? I want to just find my mom. Somebody needs to tell me where she is. I want to know if she's dead or alive or if she's still in Walmart. We need to find her. And this is the only way we're going to do it.


LAVANDERA: That desperation, Alex, excruciating to listen to. They say she says she talked because she felt at this point she didn't know where else to turn, what else to do to be able to locate her mother as they're still frantically looking for her this many hours later.

And Alex, I also spoke with another woman who was just outside of the Walmart doors when the shooting erupted and she described a scene of total chaos. A number of people inside and outside the store who were wounded. And she said the scene and the moment that she cannot get out of her mind was the scene of a man holding a child in his arms running out of the store and just handing the child over to a paramedic who had arrived here at the Walmart scene and then that child being quickly whisked away.

You know, the questions these people ask themselves is they see that moment and they wonder what happened to that child and what kind of condition is that poor child in right now. That's the anguish and the scenes that many people, the victims and the witnesses of what unfolded here tonight are dealing with -- Alex.

MARQUARDT: Yes. All of that speaking to the -- all that emotion speaking to the confusion that still reigns right now almost 10 hours after all of this started.

Ed, we also need to note that the FBI has opened a domestic terror investigation which has all sorts of implications. We can see behind you that night is falling on this tragic and horrible day in El Paso, Texas. We know that you'll stay out there. We know that you'll stay on the story. Thanks very much.

And we'll be right back after this quick break.


[22:17:32] MARQUARDT: Updating you now on the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, that's where a man with a rifle earlier today, this morning, gunned down 20 people at a Walmart store which was packed full of Saturday shoppers young and old. More than two dozen others were wounded. The governor of Texas calls today one of the deadliest days in the history of his state.

Some of the shooting was captured on camera, which we're about to show you, but we have to warn you that the video shows people shot and wounded and can be difficult to watch.








MARQUARDT: That chaotic scene in El Paso, Texas, earlier today. It happened at about 10:00 in the morning local time. This is what some of those gunshots sounded like inside that store.

Police officers were on the scene within minutes. They have been praised for their response and they are arrested the gunman without firing a shot. He is alive. He is in custody. He has been described as a 21-year-old man from a Texas town hundreds of miles away from El Paso. More than a nine-hour drive. Just outside Dallas. Police say it appears that he carried out this massacre alone, no

other suspects were arrested, and no others are believed to have been involved.

And this is also just coming in to CNN. A law enforcement source tells us that they are opening a domestic terrorism investigation to run alongside the state of Texas's investigation, which is pursuing a charge of capital murder. A short time ago El Paso officials, the FBI as well as the governor, spoke with reporters.


GOV. GREG ABBOTT, TEXAS: Twenty innocent people from El Paso have lost their lives. And more than two dozen more are injured. We as a state unite in support of these victims and their family members.

I want the city of El Paso to know and El Paso Police Department and everybody in this entire community know that the state of Texas provides its full support for this community and their efforts to rebuild.


[22:20:11] MARQUARDT: The governor of Texas Greg Abbott there. We're also hearing from an eyewitness who saw the gunman and describes him like this.


ADRIA GONZALEZ, WITNESS: It's like those to protect your ears from. And he just started to shoot everyone. Just started to shoot. And what I did, my first instinct was to get people out of there. I probably shouted, they're shooting, they're shooting, get out. I believe I pushed people out of the exit maybe -- probably like 48 people out of there. And just told them to get out.

And -- and then there was this senior citizen lady that I tried to help and I couldn't, and I just told her to move faster and she couldn't move faster. So I left her there. And I needed to get out because the shooter was getting closer and closer. So I was just -- I just told her to get down and hide. And then I left her. And then we just ran outside and got everybody in, and just told everybody to just run out and just go far, far away as we can. So we actually started running.

We came out to Sam's and then from Sam's we ran more farther away because we still heard some maybe like two gunshots, more outside.



MARQUARDT: An eyewitness there describing that horrific scene saying that the gunman was wearing ear protection and shooting repeatedly.

I want to bring in our law enforcement panel analyst Charles Ramsey, former Washington, D.C. police chief, James Gagliano, retired FBI supervisory special agent, as well as Josh Campbell, former FBI supervisor special agent as well.

Josh, first to you. You've just reported that the FBI is now opening a domestic terror investigation. That is going to run alongside the Texas investigation. What does this mean?

JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes, Alex. I spoke to a source just a short time ago who confirms that for us that the FBI has indeed opened a domestic terrorism investigation. As you mentioned, that will be worked alongside the state investigation. Now right now the state has a lead. It appears as though that will remain the case for the time being. Obviously, here on state murder charges we heard from the governor earlier and other officials talking about how they're going to handle the case.

In the background you'll have the FBI with this concurrent case of looking into the ideology. An official I spoke with saying that that's really going to be their focus, is digging into this motivation. Was there someone who was motivated intending to cause a hate crime here, possibly a domestic terrorism incident? Getting to that motivation is going to be key for law enforcement because that then determines how this investigation might go down the road.

We're also hearing from officials that the FBI is bringing in resources from its satellite offices here in the state of Texas and they have assets at FBI headquarters currently on standby as they await any requests that may come in for the state.

As you can see behind me right now, although night has fallen here in El Paso this remains a very active investigation. A number of police personnel here on scene going through this massive crime scene, again, to recreate what happened. To gather evidence. In order to paint a picture of the gruesome act that we just heard the sound of just a short time ago -- Alex.

MARQUARDT: James, we've been talking tonight about, you know, hate crime, domestic terrorism. We do know from the governor of Texas they are going to be looking into prosecuting this as a hate crime. But what is the significance of this now that the FBI is opening this domestic terror investigation?

JAMES GAGLIANO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Sure, let's unpack this for the viewers. So, first of all, if it's a domestic terrorism case the FBI investigates an international terrorism and domestic terrorism. It would be worked by the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the JTTF. However, if officials are saying that this is a hate crime, hate crime enforcement is done by our civil rights program.

Now if it is an act of domestic terrorism, it would be looked at from the perspective of homegrown violent extremism. You and I talked about this before. Four different types. Racially motivated, which this appears to be, anti-government, anti-authority, animal rights, and environmental activism and then anti-abortion. This appears to be racially motivated. Now, understand that in April the FBI director testified in front of

Congress and said this, "White supremacy presents a persistent and pervasive threat in this country." Now, he did allow that there's been an increase of reporting of these crimes. He can't say for sure if the crimes are proliferating. I don't know if we should worry about, the fact that we don't know if they're being reported enough.

In this instance, so, you've got a disaffected, disenfranchised it appears young white male. What's the cause of it? Is it mental health? Is it just pure hatred? Is it, you know, the violent culture we're in? But we look at this from the perspective of flash to boom. Flash is, did we miss detecting the warning that an attack was imminent? Was that manifesto -- should that have been something we should have been able to interdict him on before the boom and that's the attack?

[22:25:04] We always want to interdict, obviously left to boom. In this instance obviously it didn't happen that way.

MARQUARDT: So often after these massacres, whether it's Las Vegas, which we both covered on the ground, Sutherland Springs, also in Texas, just under two years ago we had this debate over whether it's domestic terror or not, whether there are political motivations or not. Here in this case from everything we know it does appear to be domestic terrorism.

And I say from what we know, Charles Ramsey, to you, because we have this, quote-unquote, "manifesto," this document, four-page document posted online that is being investigated as being connected to the shooter in which he goes to great lengths to say that the -- to insult immigrants and saying that they're turning Texas into a Democratic state, and that has led the authorities to say that this has a nexus potential -- a nexus to a potential hate crime.

But, Charles, the title of this manifesto says that he expected to die. He didn't. There were no shots fired. He went into custody relatively peacefully. So what do you think happened? How did it go down?

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I mean, you know, they'll certainly ask that question during the interviews with this individual. But once he no longer had the upper hand in this situation and he was confronted by law enforcement, quite frankly he might have lost his nerve and just decided to surrender. It could also be, as Mr. Matthews said earlier, in an earlier show, that maybe he wants to have his story told and get it out there. Who knows?

Bottom line is, that, you know, we're in a very toxic environment right now where a lot's being said, particularly around immigration, the border, and all those kinds of things. Words have consequences. And you've got a lot of fringe individuals with extreme thoughts and to stir the pot, and it's not just elected officials. You know, we've got some media personalities that do the same thing.

I mean, you know, you got -- everybody needs to ratchet it down because you never know who's listening and it just gives them the ability to just get bolder and bolder and bolder and then we wind up with these kinds things happening.

MARQUARDT: Well said. So much more to discuss. Guys, stay with me. We've got to take a quick break. Charles Ramsey, Josh Campbell, James Gagliano, thank you for your expertise. We'll be back right after this.


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MARQUARDT: We continue to follow breaking news of the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, earlier today where 20 people were killed. As police and SWAT teams work to secure the area, the EMTs focused on saving the victims. Some had been shot in the Walmart parking lot outside. Many others waited inside the building. And what we know now is that there are 26 people who are also wounded leaving the El Paso police to put out an urgent appeal for blood donors.

The response, and this is the silver lining of this tragedy, has been overwhelming as lines of donors stretched out the doors, as you can see right there. Other volunteers showing up to pass out food and drinks. The Texas Governor Greg Abbott saying that the community should take heart from this kind of reaction.


ABBOTT: As I was talking with members of the Texas House of Representatives behind me right now earlier today, moments ago, they pointed out to me as they showed to me a video taking place in this community about how people in this community were standing in lines around buildings to give blood, to provide water, to provide support as they pointed out, El Paso is defined not by the catastrophe that struck this town.

The way El Paso is really defined is the way this community comes together and supports each other to bridge the divide of this catastrophe. This happened a day toward the pathway of where El Paso will be tomorrow.


MARQUARDT: Local officials are now asking people to sign up to donate blood tomorrow and in the days ahead. One organization is saying it hasn't seen this kind of response since 9/11.

For more, let's go back to El Paso, Texas. Now joining me is Chris Babcock, who's a reporter with the "El Paso Herald Post" newspaper. And he's been at the scene of today's shooting since this morning.

Chris, thank you for coming on tonight. Tell us about what you first saw when you got there this morning.

CHRIS BABCOCK, REPORTER, EL PASO HERALD POST: Well, Alex, thank you for having me. I can tell you it was a surreal sight as I was driving in. I was actually at another scene about 20 miles east of here when I first got the call and I was able to convoy in with what were basically El Paso County Sheriff's SWAT officers, unmarked vehicles as well as some secret service vehicles that we followed in. And when we arrived on scene it was just what should have been a parking lot full of shoppers was just a parking lot full of first responders and every single type of police car, police vehicle you could see, and they were all heavily armed.

And that's when it really hit home that this was actually happening. And it was just surreal to see everyone coming out with their hands up being cleared and being sectored off. And in fact, one of the first people -- first persons I talked to here was a Fort Worth soldier, Specialist Oakley (PH), who you spoke with him earlier today, who actually was in the mall when it happened. He heard the ricochets and was -- went about his job of evacuating single kids from the shooting area. It was just a surreal experience.

MARQUARDT: And Chris, you have been there so long I imagine you've spoken with witnesses from inside. And what did they tell you? What were some of the stories that they told you about what they experienced and the fear that they felt with this shooter on the loose?

BABCOCK: Well, the issue at first was disbelief. They couldn't believe that there was this active shooter. Like Specialist Oakley (PH) said a kid ran by saying there's an active shooter, active shooter, and he looked at the clerk and the witnesses looked at each other and then they heard the ricochets of the shots going off and then it became real. And that -- to a person, that's what I heard from most of these witnesses, is that disbelief, and it was just a couple of seconds, and then when everybody started moving out and moving quickly that's when it hit home for them. And then it was where am I going to go, who am I going to be there with, and am I really out of danger's way?

[22:35:10] Because again, we had first heard it as Walmart and then it extended over to the mall and we didn't know --


BABCOCK: -- whether or not he was still making his way through the mall and these people didn't either so they were just trying to move out of the way as quickly as possible not knowing how many steps they were behind him.

MARQUARDT: Right. And law enforcement is now saying that there is no longer a threat. But we can see right behind you those blue and red flashing lights. This is still clearly a very active scene. This is now if I'm doing the math correctly about 11 -- 10, 11 hours later. What does the scene look like now?

BABCOCK: Well, the scene has kindly changed into more of like I said a crime scene where they're going through both of the areas. What you see behind me is the Walmart, and that is about half a mile away from the mall which is directly to my east. Now it's a good 200 yards over there for where they transited. But for the police it's about a mile and a half, almost a mile of crime scene they're going to have to process. So behind me the flashing lights you see are the Texas DPS troopers who are blocking off the entrance to the Walmart parking lot.

And I can tell you, Alex, one of the hardest things that I've seen so far tonight has been the slow shuffling walk of the family members. They park in the parking lot behind us and then they start making their way down to the parking lot. They're obviously distraught. They're obviously in pain. They're propping each other up. And they're walking into the parking lot. They're not allowed into the parking lot. But they just want to know what happened to their loved ones. And I've seen that happen now six, maybe seven times just in the last couple of hours.

MARQUARDT: Chris, I wanted to ask you about something I saw that some families might be afraid to come forward and go to those reunification centers because they're not legal. And therefore people haven't been reconnected with their loved ones, are afraid to go those centers, afraid to go to the hospitals. Have you heard anything about that?

BABCOCK: You know, I heard a couple of transitory stories like that. I can tell you this particular Walmart and the shopping center, it is the largest one here in El Paso. And it does draw a huge amount of traffic not just from Texas and New Mexico but the state of Chihuahua, Ciudad Juarez. And there's even tours that show up here from the central part of the state, and Chihuahua City, and they do have people that come to shop here.

Now, here residents, you know, we do have an eclectic mix of people who are here. They may be here legally. They may be here on work visas. And going to one of these reunion centers, it might be a very frightening experience for them because again, these centers just like you see behind me, they are ringed with police and law enforcement. So there might be a little bit of unease. But I have heard that story a couple of times today.

MARQUARDT: And Chris, we have seen aerial video of the suspect's home in Allen, Texas. We know that law enforcement is currently searching that home which we believe to be connected to this 21-year-old gunman. Do you know anything about that search, anything else that the authorities might have uncovered about who lives there?

BABCOCK: What we've heard down here is what Chief Allen shared during the news conference about two hours ago, and that was that they had found his vehicle here, and they were looking for other locations either in the city or outside of the city for investigative purposes.

Now this probably makes sense because again, his car was just found right down the road. So we know that he did transit here in a vehicle, and that would be the next logical place. Now what we have heard from a couple of different sources is they are also looking for where he stayed while he was here and they're trying to locate what happened to that motel room, exactly what was in there. And I know that that is probably the next step as they retrace the gunman's steps here.

MARQUARDT: All right. Chris Babcock, from the "El Paso Herald Post." Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us tonight.

BABCOCK: Thank you, Alex.

MARQUARDT: And we'll be right back.


[22:42:24] MARQUARDT: Our breaking news, another mass shooting today in America. This time in El Paso, Texas. It has claimed the lives of at least 20 people, who were shopping in a Walmart this morning. Many of them shopping for students going back to school in the coming days. We're now getting a dramatic eyewitness account that one of the victims injured in the shooting was a baby. Take a listen.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was waiting for him to come out but it was taking too long and then I heard the first one. So I was like, what's going on? But it was so loud. Very loud. And then I just saw everybody dropping. So that's when I just ran in there, like trying to. But then I saw him run this way. So I chased him. And I thought he got shot.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the baby. My nephew. The baby that some man carried that got shot. The guy just gave him to the ambulance. I don't know. Confuse me. It was awful.


MARQUARDT: It was awful. And as happens so often in these cases, relatives rushed to the scene in search of their family members and loved ones. Take a listen to this man who was looking for his mother.


WILL ENGLISBEE, SEARCHING FOR HIS MISSING MOTHER: My brother spoke with her at 10:31. She was in the line at Walmart, in the check-out line. They spoke for four minutes until 10:35 and that was the last we've heard of her. And that was -- she was at that Walmart right there. She told him, I'm in line, my brother's on the flight back from Florida. He'll be here in a couple of hours. But he was in Atlanta.

LAVANDERA: And you've checked all the -- I apologize for making you repeat this. You checked all the hospitals?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We checked all of them.

ENGLISBEE: Yes. We just don't know where she is. And the buses haven't shown up at MacArthur. I guess there were some witness that's are supposed to take over to MacArthur. I have two sisters over there. And no one has showed up. So --

LAVANDERA: You seem to be holding up all right. ENGLISBEE: We're trying. We're trying. We just wanted to walk down

here ourselves and take a look to, you know, try to find her, you know. I mean, because she won't hold up without water. I mean, someone needs to take care of her. She needs water. She needs to be taken care of. She's very --

LAVANDERA: And she's not answering her phone?

ENGLISBEE: No, sir. It's actually turned off. We used the iPhone app to try to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I mean, are you worried that she may have been hit?

ENGLISBEE: Sir, I don't want to speculate. I'm hoping, praying. I mean, please God, bring her home.


MARQUARDT: That man just one of the siblings who we've heard from looking for his mother, saying there that the last time that they heard from her was just four minutes before the shooter we know opened fire.

[22:45:02] The FBI has now opened a domestic terror investigation into the El Paso shooting which brings all sorts of ramifications with it. The alleged shooter has been identified as a 21-year-old white male from Allen, Texas. That's just north of Dallas. He was arrested at the scene without firing a shot. El Paso's police chief says that the shooting has what they call a nexus to a potential hate crime. And they point to what they're calling a manifesto that they've obtained that may be connected to the suspected gunman. They say that they're still working to confirm that it does belong to him.

With me now is Casey Jordan who's a criminologist and behavioral analyst.

Casey, police are now investigating that this four-page manifesto may be connected to the alleged shooter. I imagine that you've looked over this. What stands out to you?

CASEY JORDAN, CRIMINOLOGIST ABD BEHAVIORAL ANALYST: Well, a number of things. But I think the thing that really surprised me the most is he spent an entire paragraph saying that he would not surrender. He talked about that it's not cowardly to pick low-hanging fruit, a reference to the idea that it's totally honorable in his mind to go after easy prey, easy victims like in a shopping mall. And he talks at length about why he wrote the manifesto, said he'd only been planning it for about a month and that even though it wasn't a perfect plan and that the manifesto was rife with grammatical errors and spelling errors, he called it a manifesto. But he also said he was really compelled to act as (INAUDIBLE) that nothing is going to change and the future he had envisioned, he's not really clear what that is, will never happen.

So he talks about the fact he expects to be killed by police and yet we know that he surrendered without incident. So something happened. Maybe a sense of satisfaction after the mayhem that made him go ahead and give himself up when police pointed their guns at him.

MARQUARDT: You mentioned there that he said he couldn't wait any longer. The manifesto was posted online less than 20 minutes before the shooting. And he also posted about five minutes later saying he's nervous as hell. This conflict of what he's saying, that he expected to die and then didn't, he's nervous as hell and the plan wasn't quite ready, what does that tell you about what was going through his mind if this is indeed connected to him?

JORDAN: If it is, I think what you're seeing is the vacillation of a 21-year-old, very specific to his age. Since 2006 we've had 11 mass shootings committed by a 21-year-old. And you have to understand his station in life. We believe and understand that he was a student at the local community college in Colin where he's from, near Allen, Texas. But he simply was in what we called an anomic state. looking at his life, he believes that he's been promised a certain future. He's been working toward it and following the rules.

But because of what he calls technology and immigration the future he's envisioned is not obtainable. So he specifically mentions that he went to El Paso, he drove 650 miles to go there, we imagined because it is a very large Mexican population, full of immigrants and Latinos and this was his intentional target. If this manifesto is accurate, that's what he's (INAUDIBLE).

MARQUARDT: Why is it that it's always men and more often than not white men?

JORDAN: There are many theories, Alex, about why that is. And we have seen an uptick in people of different races. But really very few females. A handful. Three or four that come to my mind. Most people would argue that it is because for so many years, really since World War II, young white men have been entitled and privileged and promised an easy life if they fight for their country and work hard and follow the rules they're going to be given a job and a house and a car and a pretty wife, and a picket fence and a golden retriever.

And I'm being a little facetious. But the world has changed dramatically in the last seven to 12 years. And with equity comes great resentment from people who still think that those rules from the last century are still in effect. They don't want to share the playing field with other people, specifically women and immigrants. And they seethe with resentment that they are failing in life and want to externalize or scapegoat that way. This is the number one theory on why we see mostly young white males committing these sorts of mass shootings.

MARQUARDT: And what you describe there, you know, men who don't get what they want, who don't get what they think they deserve and are looking for, you know, that perfect future, a wife and kids and a house, and all that, that's exactly what we see Islamic extremist jihadists being promised as well, and the parallels, I don't have to tell you, between these two groups of individuals are incredibly strong. Casey Jordan, thanks so much for breaking that down for us.

JORDAN: Great to be here. Thank you, Alex.

[22:50:02] MARQUARDT: All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back with more of our special coverage right after this.


MARQUARDT: Twenty lives lost today in a deadly shooting rampage at the El Paso Walmart. Twenty more injured tonight, some fighting for their lives at area hospitals. The community of El Paso we've heard from a number of officials is understandably devastated and some Texans right now holding a vigil at a Catholic Church in El Paso, with moments of prayers and moments of tears. The vigil concluding with a song for this wounded community. Take a listen.

And there is another candlelight vigil for those El Paso shooting victims also taking place tonight in Austin, Texas, at St. Edwards University.

Before we go to break, we want to replay for you what a witness said earlier about the moment that she saw the gunman.


[22:55:03] GONZALEZ: It's like those to protect your ears from. And he just started to shoot everyone. Just started to shoot. And what I did, my first instinct was to get people out of there. I probably shouted, they're shooting, they're shooting, get out. I believe I pushed people out of the exit maybe like -- probably like 48 people out of there. And just told them to get out.

And -- and then there was this senior citizen lady that I tried to help and I couldn't, and I just told her to move faster and she couldn't move faster. So I left her there. And I needed to get out because the shooter was getting closer and closer. So I was just -- I just told her to get down and hide. And then I left her. And then we just ran outside and got everybody in, and just told everybody to just run out and just go far, far away as we can. So we actually started running.

We came out to Sam's and then from Sam's we ran more farther away because we still heard some maybe like two gunshots, more outside.