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Emotional Aftermath Apparent After Hurricane Dorian; Boris Johnson Running Out of Options; Former President of Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe is Dead at 95. Aired 2-3p ET
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HALA GORANI, CNN HOST, HALA GORANI TONIGHT: Hello, everyone. Live from CNN London this Friday, I'm Hala Gorani.
Tonight, Dorian's trail of devastation and the monster storm is not done yet. We are live on the U.S. East Coast.
Also this hour, the end of an era: Robert Mugabe is gone. But did his legacy die with him?
Also, a week of Brexit drama. After all of that, we ask: Can the party of Winston Churchill survive one of the U.K.'s worst political crises in
history?
Weakened, but still packing a powerful punch. Hurricane Dorian is thrashing the U.S. East Coast as it barrels northward. The storm that
devastated the Bahamas is now pummeling North Carolina. We'll have a live report in a moment.
It made landfall over the state's barrier islands a few hours ago. There are reports of catastrophic flooding, and one county is preparing to
evacuate residents by air.
Alexandra Field joins me now from near where the hurricane made landfall in North Carolina. Alexandra, tell us what's going on where you are.
ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Hala. The worst of it does seem to have passed us, but we are still getting these strong gusts of wind.
And this is just about the time of high tide, so we've been watching the ocean really churning all morning here, and now getting, really, much
closer inland as the high tide happens.
But the big concern here is flooding, so that could mean that you would see the majority of the problems actually on the back side of this storm.
They're mostly concerned about storm surge, as much as four to seven feet perhaps, expected in the Sound.
And the situation does seem worse south of where we are. We are on a barrier island off the coast of North Carolina, but Dorian made landfall
south of us. We're already hearing reports of flooding further south, and also certainly have electrical outages. We're without power in the hotel
where we are staying, and we know that hundreds of thousands of people across North Carolina are in the same position.
And, Hala, we should say, this is the third time in three years that people in this state have had to prepare for a hurricane. So emergency officials
really wanted people to take strong precautions, they didn't want anyone to relax in the face of this storm, they ordered emergency evacuations that
were mandatory. They also implemented a curfew in order to keep people off the streets, keep them away from danger as this storm finally seems to be
heading out to sea -- Hala.
GORANI: And can we assess any damage at this early stage?
FIELD: We really can't tell from where we are right now. The majority of the effect of Dorian in this area has been felt over the last few hours.
People have mostly been staying inside, in the dark, as I mentioned.
But the earliest reports of damage really seem to have to do with the flooding south of where we are. We'll have to be able to get there, to see
what level that flooding is at, but certainly there are pictures pouring in on social media, and there are accounts from emergency management
officials, who are saying that they are responding to reports of flooding.
So still to see how serious that could be, and whether or not it intensifies in the hours after this storm passes through -- Hala.
GORANI: All right. Alexandra Field, reporting live there from North Carolina, from near where this monster storm made landfall.
Meanwhile, we're getting a clearer picture of the utter devastation that the hurricane caused in the Bahamas. It was a lot stronger when it hit
there, it lingered for many days. The death toll now stands at 30. But officials expect that number to soar, to what they are calling
"unimaginable" levels.
This is as some residents have made their way to the heavily damaged Abaco Airport, to wait for the aid and relief that is trickling in. Paula Newton
is on the ground.
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PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is so much worse than they had feared. The Abaco Islands, forever scarred now by mass
destruction. Home after home, entire rooftops blown away, debris scattered in unrecognizable heaps, boats tossed like confetti. The images belie the
obvious question: How could anyone survive this?
CHANA ALBURY, HURRICANE SURVIVOR: Oh my God.
BILLY ALBURY, HURRICANE SURVIVOR: OK, OK, OK, OK. (INAUDIBLE) You're OK, you're OK. It's going to be OK, OK? You're going to be OK.
C. ALBURY: I know, I know.
NEWTON (voice-over): We arrived by helicopter in Man-O-War in Abaco, with Billy Albury, embracing his wife Chana, after days of not knowing if she
was dead or alive.
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Chana hunkered down with friends in their seaside home until the roof blew off, and they all scrambled to find anything still standing.
NEWTON: So, Nancy, this is what kept you guys alive? this little bathroom?
NANCY ALBURY: This little room kept us alive, this is it.
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N. ALBURY: We came in and hunkered down, and Chana was on the ground, crying, and we were just trying to --
C. ALBURY: I was hysterical.
NEWTON: What did it sound like in here at the time?
C. ALBURY: Oh, it was loud.
N. ALBURY: It was -- well, there was a lot of crashing and --
C. ALBURY: Crashing.
N. ALBURY: Remember all the crashing and banging and --
C. ALBURY: Crashing.
N. ALBURY: -- whirling and --
C. ALBURY: And stuff, we thought (ph), was coming through this wall.
NEWTON (voice-over): So many in the Abaco Islands lived through hours that resembled a horror movie, exposed to winds that topped 250 miles an hour,
like tornadoes touching down every minute.
SHERRIE ROBERTS, HURRICANE SURVIVOR: Words can't describe it. I don't wish it on nobody. Nobody, words can't describe it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you mind if I say something?
ROBERTS: There's (ph) -- they could never categorize this, never.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My grandfather ran out in the middle --
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ROBERTS: It was like an atomic bomb went off.
NEWTON (voice-over): Residents here tell me their little island paradise is unrecognizable even to them. They're resourceful and self-reliant, they
say, but they could have never imagined a storm as powerful as Dorian.
NEWTON: You know, there's no better way to describe to you the force of Hurricane Dorian, to be right here, where people rode out the storm in
their living rooms, in their dining rooms. I mean, look at this. The roof blew off the house here, the entire kitchen came down. Their refrigerator
ended up here, on the ground. Their living room and dining room furniture is strewn all over.
People describe these things being tossed around the island like projectiles. They all cowered, hovered in their bathrooms and closets,
anything they could find to take shelter.
NEWTON (voice-over): There are now the beginnings of recovery, but only the basics: medical attention, private helicopters to take out those who
are sick, the elderly, young families.
JEREMY SWEETING, ISLAND COUNCILLOR: I'm sure it'll never be the same again. But, I mean, the people are strong and we're going to try to do our
best to rebuild the best way we can, but we know it will never be the same.
NEWTON (voice-over): This was a storm of biblical proportions, Abaconians tell me. And, yes, they worry it will take a miracle to recover from it
all.
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GORANI: Paula Newton, reporting there.
Before-and-after satellite images further show the extent of the destruction in the Bahamas. This is Marsh Harbour in Abaco. On the left -
- on the left, there, is before. You see it's green, the structures are standing. On the right is after. There's also Green Turtle Cay, also in
the Abacos. The before picture is on the left, and the image on the right is after Dorian struck. It's going to take a long time and a lot of money
to rebuild.
And we were speaking, by the way, with a rescue agency yesterday, Mercy Corps. They were saying that the water supply has been compromised, so
people on these islands actually don't have running water. You can imagine how desperate they are, therefore, to get bottled water just to be able to
drink.
But then everything else that you need to do on a daily basis, whether it's to shower or just feel like you're able to live your day-to-day life in a
dignified manner, all of that is put on hold right now for the residents there, and there are thousands of people affected.
By the way, we are trying to get in touch with Patrick Oppmann, who is in the Bahamas right now. We're having some communication issues. That's not
unusual in the aftermath of these severe weather events. Once we get him on the line, we will speak to him.
Now, to Brexit. The British parliament has set the stage for a showdown with Prime Minister Boris Johnson. The House of Lords passed a bill,
Friday, that effectively blocks a no-deal Brexit.
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NORMAN FOWLER, SPEAKER, HOUSE OF LORDS: Just to remind the House, the question is that --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well said. Well said, Lord Speaker.
FOWLER: -- that this bill do now pass. As many of that opinion will say, content?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Content!
FOWLER: The contrary, not content?
The contents have it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My lords, I thank the House. Do now adjourn.
FOWLER: Let the House do now adjourn.
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GORANI: The bill will become law on Monday, after receiving the Queen's approval.
And the prime minister is running out of options and time before the Brexit deadline, which is October 31st. Opposition lawmakers already have said
they will vote against Johnson's proposal to hold elections before that date.
Let's bring in Freddy Gray, deputy editor of "The Spectator." Thanks, Freddy, for being with us. You're going to launch a U.S. print version of
"The Spectator."
FREDDY GRAY, DEPUTY EDITOR, THE SPECTATOR: We are, yes.
GORANI: Congratulations.
GRAY: Viewers should -- viewers should subscribe, please.
GORANI: How do you explain this to an American audience, what's going on in your country?
GRAY: Well, I think it's a bit like the madness of American politics, but you throw in the eccentricity of our constitutional system. I mean, you
know, there's a lot comparisons between Boris and Trump, and they're very different figures. But they are both quite big gamblers in politics.
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And Boris Johnson took three very big gambles this week. He bet that proroguing parliament, delaying it, would work --
GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: -- he bet that Labour wouldn't stop him calling a general election, and he bet that his own rebels would be intimated with the threat of
withdrawing the whip from them.
GORANI: So far, he's lost --
GRAY: And he lost all three bets.
GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: So even admirers of Boris Johnson -- and I'm willing to admit I count myself as an admirer of Boris Johnson -- will say this has been a
pretty bad week --
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GORANI: His own brother --
GRAY: His own brother.
GORANI: -- basically abandoned him, right?
GRAY: Yes, in a sort of tragic Green twist, turned against him.
But, I mean, also, it is his darkest hour but there is sort of life at the end of the tunnel, forward (ph), potentially.
GORANI: How? What's the pathway to light at the end of the tunnel for Boris Johnson? Because on Monday, they're going to try again --
GRAY: Well --
GORANI: -- to call for an early election.
GRAY: Yes. And they will force him to go to Brussels --
GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: -- or they will try to force him to go to Brussels and say, "We want to delay it." And he has said, "I will not do that." And he's suggested -
-
GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: -- he'll resign, rather (ph) than do that.
GORANI: And do you think he will?
GRAY: I think he --
GORANI: This has been his life's ambition.
GRAY: -- I think he probably will.
GORANI: Really?
GRAY: Yes.
GORANI: Because he said -- and he was criticized, by the way, for the backdrop, using police officers --
GRAY: Yes.
GORANI: -- in the backdrop there, for what kind of looked a bit like a campaign event. He said, "I'd rather be dead in a ditch" --
GRAY: Yes.
GORANI: -- than go to Brussels and ask for an extension.
GRAY: Well, that's not -- so that's fighting talk, isn't it?
GORANI: Mm-hmm.
GRAY: I think what would probably happen, if -- assuming this all pans out like this -- is that he will resign and he will then say to the queen,
he'll invite -- ask the queen to invite Jeremy Corbyn to form a government. Then, this whole mess that is Brexit becomes Jeremy Corbyn's problem and he
has to try and find a majority, which he probably won't be able to do. And then there's a pressure for a general election.
Now, that's where the good news for Boris Johnson comes in. Because it seems, from polls, as though the people quite like what he's doing, it's --
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GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: -- parliament doesn't.
GORANI: Right. So what options -- so you're saying, your bet is on a resignation by Boris Johnson?
GRAY: I think that's looking the most likely thing at the moment, yes.
GORANI: Because, really, if he doesn't do that, does he have any other options? He can't call an early election. He said -- he has said,
unequivocally, "I will not go to Brussels."
GRAY: He could eat a huge amount of humble pie, but I don't think he's willing to do that.
GORANI: And what if Jeremy Corbyn then is invited to form a government?
GRAY: Well, they could do this government of national unity that people are talking about. I think that will hit problems very, very quickly
because they're very, very different groups within that.
GORANI: Yes.
GRAY: They can probably agree a majority against a no-deal Brexit. But on other issues, they're all over the place. So they will have to have a
general election pretty quickly.
GORANI: Yes. But you'll still need an election.
Some of the guests we've interviewed over the last several days have said there's really only one way to unite the country again. You're going to --
I know you'll disagree with this -- you need to have another referendum.
GRAY: I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think --
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GORANI: Because -- because a general election will get you back to where you are today, a very divided parliament, right?
GRAY: Well, I'm not entirely sure. I think the Tory Party would not have the rebels that it has now.
GORANI: Right.
GRAY: So the Tory Party would have -- and also the country seems to be gravitating towards, "Just let's get Brexit done, we're fed up with this
indecision, we don't want to go back, we probably have to go forwards."
GORANI: But wouldn't then -- I mean, if you have a referendum, and the question would be the following question. "Would you like this deal" --
whatever deal is, you know, agreed to with the E.U., probably something quite similar to the Theresa May deal -- "or Remain?"
GRAY: Well, you --
GORANI: And then it's -- then that's it, it's a clear-cut answer.
GRAY: Well, we'll see. I mean, I don't think a second referendum will happen unless we get this handover to Corbyn, who I think is now looking to
say he'll pursue a second referendum. But --
GORANI: Right.
GRAY: -- quite how we progress, if Leave wins again, what does parliament do then?
GORANI: If Leave wins again --
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GRAY: Does it (INAUDIBLE)? I'm not sure it necessarily will.
GORANI: -- I think if Leave wins again, there's no way politically anybody could say, "I don't accept this result."
GRAY: Well then, how does the European Union handle negotiations? That's an interesting question.
GORANI: Well, the -- yes, it is. Well, there would have been a deal in the meantime. But these are all ifs because this is what we are trading
in, these days, speculation and different scenarios, going forward, different possibilities. We'll see in the next few weeks, what happens.
Freddy Gray, thanks so much. Deputy editor of "The Spectator."
GRAY: Great to be here.
GORANI: Always a pleasure.
We can now go back to the Bahamas. Patrick Oppmann joins me from Grand Bahama Island. Patrick, talk to us about the destruction and devastation
there, and I see you have one of -- an island resident with you.
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we do. Pastor Joey Saunders, the pastor of this town of High Rock in the Bahamas, where we are, one of the
most destroyed places we've been able to visit so far on the island.
Yes, just a couple days ago, you couldn't get here. The water was so high. And tell me about that, Pastor. Because you know a lot more than I do
about the high water. We are in front of your house, what was your house?
JOEY SAUNDERS, PASTOR, HIGH ROCK, BAHAMAS: Yes, that's correct.
OPPMANN: And what was your church? You can't see much of either right now, you can't see much of either right now.
SAUNDERS: No.
OPPMANN: Tell me what happened.
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SAUNDERS: The water came in about 32 feet. It started at the bottom floor, progressed some four feet, then with six feet, then came up to
another 16 feet, then we run up to the third floor, which is over 32 feet. Then the roof began to fall off. Me and my son were standing in there,
watching the water.
And I noticed (ph) when the wave (ph) just carried my son away, you know, with the searchlight, and (INAUDIBLE) making (ph) noise, calling out my
name. And minutes later, I know I was crushed by the roof. I went underneath the water.
And somehow I caught onto the roof and the current carry us, like, what, 600 feet away from our houses.
OPPMANN: And tell me then what happened, because you both fell in the water and you were both carried off and you were separated by the water.
It was dark, it was the middle of the night. What happened? How did you survive?
SAUNDERS: It had to be supernatural. We both landed in two separate trees, which were (ph) both (ph) there for two days and two nights.
OPPMANN: Two days and two nights?
SAUNDERS: Yes.
OPPMANN: On top of a tree?
SAUNDERS: Yes. The waters, 32 feet beneath us. So it had to be supernatural. We can't explain it, you know?
OPPMANN: You look amazing for that. Your son was hurt, though. Tell me about his injuries.
SAUNDERS: He is recovering. He had some severe bruises, you know. But I was OK. I had minor cuts, you know, you know, you had to be (ph) bare (ph)
feet (ph) off (ph) the (ph) (INAUDIBLE), pine needles, so somewhat, you know.
OPPMANN: And you were saying a moment ago --
GORANI: Yes. All right. We lost the sound there from High Rock in the Bahamas there. But thankfully, we got a good chunk of that conversation in
because it gives you a sense of what residents went through during that hurricane, and what they are still going through with that man, that
resident in the Bahamas, talking about how his home was destroyed.
And, Patrick, can you hear me? Because I understand we have your audio back.
OPPMANN: -- audio (ph) --
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GORANI: You're there with your guest. Good, we can hear you. So, please, continue the conversation with the gentleman there --
OPPMANN: Yes, yes.
GORANI: -- who was talking about what happened to his home, and also what he's having to deal with now.
OPPMANN: And, sir, we're back. Obviously, this is tough, broadcasting from such an isolated, damaged spot. Real quick, though, what aid has come
in from the government so far? And when we came here yesterday, people were asking us for water. I know you said Bahamians are patient, but it's
been a week almost. How are people feeling right now?
SAUNDERS: I think just a little drained, you know? Just a little shocked. But people (ph) are somewhat a little -- you know, we have a lot of
patience. We know that probably in a few days or so, maybe another few hours, you know, aid will be here.
OPPMANN: Well, we're going to hope.
SAUNDERS: Yes.
OPPMANN: It's too late, though, for some people. We saw on the coast, maybe a mile from here, there are houses that are missing. What happened
to those houses? You just see the foundations.
SAUNDERS: Yes. They will have to go and live with, I guess, friends and family members, you know?
OPPMANN: And the people in those houses, though?
SAUNDERS: Yes, some of them, yes. Because they have nowhere else to go.
OPPMANN: But some of those people were taken away, though, right? By the storm?
SAUNDERS: Some of them died, some of them died in the storm. We are still looking to recover those bodies, of course.
OPPMANN: When I met you over there, there was a man in your yard and he had lost several family members, he didn't -- he was obviously very much in
shock still.
SAUNDERS: Yes.
OPPMANN: Tell me about him.
SAUNDERS: It's such a shock, you know, everyone just sitting indoors, just wondering, hoping that they find them alive. I think it's running kind of
late for that right (ph) now (ph). You know, four days later, five days later. Hope is kind of dwindling right now.
OPPMANN: And when you were up in that tree for two days, did you -- what did you do? Tell me about that. How did you keep hopeful and not think
you were going to die?
SAUNDERS: The (INAUDIBLE), man, when we saw the water coming in, the spirit of the lord began to speak to me. That's what kept me all along.
Even, I saw my son going, I felt this peace. I knew that he was alive, but I couldn't say where.
OPPMANN: And how did you find your son?
SAUNDERS: I decided to make some -- I said, "He will respond to noise." And when the wind died down a bit, and when I shouted out his name, he came
from behind the (INAUDIBLE), about 500 feet away from me. I was lying (ph) another five feet away from him, but we both landed in separate pine trees,
which we were both there for two days.
OPPMANN: Do you think that -- do you think this town will be rebuilt? It's been so destroyed. One resident who's helping distribute water, she
said nine out of 10 houses have been destroyed.
SAUNDERS: That's correct, that's correct. It's going to take quite a while to be restored.
OPPMANN: But you're going to stay here and do it?
SAUNDERS: No better place than home.
OPPMANN: Back to you, Hala. You can see the strength and determination of people here despite the horrible damage in towns that have been wiped out.
GORANI: Yes. And our best to your guest there, that gentleman who suffered, already, so much. Thanks, Patrick Oppmann.
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Still to come tonight, the mixed legacy of Zimbabwe's former leader, Robert Mugabe. His death is evoking a wide range of reactions. We're live in
Harare.
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GORANI: The former president of Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe, was a divisive figure in life, and he remains one in death. He died Friday morning, aged
95, in Singapore. David McKenzie has more.
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DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After 37 years in power, demanding nothing less than absolute loyalty, Robert
Mugabe's reign was never going to end at the ballot box.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mugabe must go! Mugabe must go!
MCKENZIE (voice-over): But few could have imagined those two weeks in November 2017, when his military moved against him and his people took to
the streets.
MCKENZIE: So what did those crowds mean to former President Mugabe? What did he say?
FIDELIS MUKONORI, LEAD MEDIATOR FOR MUGABE'S RESIGNATION: He saw that they spoke. He saw that they spoke.
MCKENZIE: Did it break him?
MUKONORI: It moved him, it moved him in the sense that he realized, "They are speaking to say it -- this is enough."
MCKENZIE (voice-over): In negotiations, the generals would salute the man they were looking to overthrow. Still, the coup and his resignation was a
humiliating exit for Mugabe, whose very name came to define Zimbabwe.
TREVOR NCUBE, NEWSPAPER PUBLISHER: This is a man who had so much to offer to Zimbabweans, but he didn't. He focused on himself. What a tragedy.
The death of Robert Mugabe breaks my heart. Within the context of the millions of lives that he destroyed, the millions of lives that he wrecked.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Robert Mugabe's legacy was built by violence and oppression, and an economic collapse so bad, money became worthless and
millions fled. For many, he left behind a shell of a country.
ROBERT MUGABE, FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF ZIMBABWE: I, Robert Gabriel Mugabe, do swear --
MCKENZIE (voice-over): So it's easy to forget that at first, he was likened to Nelson Mandela. Mugabe preached reconciliation after a brutal
liberation struggle that he helped lead, repaired bonds with former colonial master, Britain. He was even knighted.
MUGABE: -- historical links between the United Kingdom and Zimbabwe, which date from far back in history, had grown from strength to strength over the
years.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): The young (ph) Zimbabwe became the envy of the continent. Mugabe, trained as a teacher, presided over an education
revolution, and a thriving agricultural powerhouse.
NCUBE: Robert Mugabe was my hero and I looked up to Robert Mugabe's eloquence, Robert Mugabe's confidence in postulating amazing positions.
And I decided that this is a man that impressed me.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): But Mugabe liked to say he had a degree in violence. And from the start, he squashed dissent.
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ALICE MWALE, SURVIVOR OF MATABELELAND MASSACRE (through translator): Yes, I saw people being killed. I saw them killed, and you could not say a
word.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Alice Mwale relives her trauma every day. Her back was broken by the North Korean-trained 5th Brigade as they swept through
Matabeleland in 1983.
The operation was called Gukurahundi in Shona, or "The rains that wash away the chaff." Meant to crush Mugabe's rivals, civilians were targeted,
victims chosen along ethnic lines.
When Mugabe's power was again threatened, this time at the ballot (ph), he sanctioned violent attacks, seizing white-owned farms by so-called war (ph)
veterans (ph), strengthening his hand. And he crushed a rising opposition using his hold on state security.
But the violence shocked the world. Mugabe was abandoned by the West and its aid, and the country never fully recovered.
MUGABE: They want to come to us and dictate to us what we must do. That shall never be, not in Zimbabwe, never, never, whatever the cost.
MUKONORI: Robert Mugabe was not an idiot to the country. He worked hard for this country. Mistakes were done, but he's a man who cared. But
ultimately, of course, the president is, in the end, wholly responsible for whatever action.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Actions throughout a long rule and rapid demise, that many critics say were driven by Mugabe's number one priority:
himself.
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GORANI: David joins me now from Harare, live, along with our Farai Sevenzo in Nairobi. Thanks to you both. David, first, the reaction in Harare
tonight.
MCKENZIE: Well, Hala, it was quite extraordinary, traveling through the streets of Harare, talking to people. No crowds at the house of Robert
Mugabe, no flowers laid, no groups of people at the headquarters of the ZANU-PF, the party which was made in his image.
This was a very different, ambivalent reaction to the reaction that came in across -- from across the continent, from leaders and liberation movements,
praising Mugabe and really glossing over those very difficult parts of his legacy. We spoke to people on the street. Here's what they had to say.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Africa, we have lost an icon. We have lost a liberator, a man who stood for the African skin, a man who stood for us.
President Mugabe, his legacy will remain forever. And I doubt that even in the end, Zimbabwe will get a man like Robert Mugabe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name's Robert (INAUDIBLE). I was named after him. I was born in 1982, soon after our independence. Then, as time goes on, we
began to see (INAUDIBLE), his true colors. I was here in 2008, when he forced people -- when he forced us on -- when he forced himself on us.
People were ridiculed (ph) just because of him.
MCKENZIE: Because of the election?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because of elections, which he had lost.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GORANI: David, thanks for that.
Farai, your thoughts. Obviously, you've -- you know, your whole life, known Robert your whole -- much of your adult life, known Robert Mugabe as
leader of Zimbabwe.
FARAI SEVENZO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Hala. I mean, you know, I was a teenager when he came to power on a wave of great expectations. He
was the man who had liberated my country and the nation from the yoke of apartheid Rhodesia, and many things were expected of him.
And as my colleague just rightly said, he poured everything into a revolutionary education system, that had Zimbabweans becoming doctors and
scientists and creatives. But things still (ph) turned sour.
And putting on my hat as a reporter, I went in and out of that country to cover election after election. And as one of those voices just rightly
told you, 2008 was one of the very worst violent elections I've ever witnessed as a reporter, in which there was no difference between the
leader of the opposition emerging from a police station, battered and bruised, while the very police that were supposed to protect him.
With a whole crowd on the streets, beaten by soldiers, and anonymous MDC activists killed, up and down the country. I -- they were full, the
hospitals. The doctors were trying to mend broken bones that had been deliberately broken, in an effort by Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF to cling on to
power as it was becoming obvious that, just by a hair's breadth, he would have lost that election.
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And for now, as we reflect on it, especially myself, I think that the legacy he leaves behind, particularly to the men who are still in charge,
is that of violence. It's not so far back, we were talking about army bullets hitting people in the back. And one young man in Harare told me,
when I asked him what he thought of this day, that this man who had been in charge for so long has gone.
He said that it was like a second death. The first death, Hala, was November 2017 when the crew effectively kicked him out.
So at the moment, it's a mute kind of reflection of a man whose life has come to an end and whose legacy is really quite complicated.
HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: All right. Really appreciate your thoughts, Farai Sevenzo. Thanks very much, David McKenzie reporting live
from inside Zimbabwe in Harare on this day.
Do stay with us. You're watching CNN and we will be right back with more.
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GORANI: Hiring in the U.S. and the red hot U.S. economy is slowing down, but the jobs market is very solid for now, 130,000 jobs were created in the
U.S. last month. Wall Street though was expecting a little more, about 20,000 more.
On the other hand, unemployment held steady at 3.7 percent, and so far, there's been a healthy jump in wages compared to last year.
Now, with this in mind, many economists expect that the Fed will cut interest rates later this month. We'll take a look -- let's take a look
with CNN business correspondent, Alison Kosik. What do these numbers tell us?
ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, they certainly show, Hala, that the employment picture continues to be stable although it does show a
deceleration in those hiring numbers, which is understandable because you look at the average number of jobs created, it's been over 140,000, at
least for this year. But you can't really keep up strong hiring forever if you just do the math because you run out of workers.
With that being said, the show that it is decelerating a bit means that the hiring picture is just soft enough for investors to feel like, you know
what, it's soft enough and we can feel confident that the Fed may go ahead and actually cut rates again in the next two weeks at its regular meeting.
Once again happening in the next two weeks. So on one hand where you see the softness happening, you also saw a bunch of bright pictures, if you
pull back the curtain of this -- of this jobs report. Unemployment, as you showed, holding steady at 3.7 percent. Wage is growing at a healthy clip,
3.2 percent compared to last year.
A whopping 571,000 people jumped back into the labor force and that's a good sign, Hala, because that shows confidence. And the unemployment rate
for black workers actually fell to 5.5 percent from six percent, that was largely helped by a jump in the number of black women on the job, the
unemployment rate for black women fell to a record 4.4 percent. So that is good news as well.
But we can't forget the cracks showing in the economy, specifically manufacturing. Well, we did see hiring in the big professional services
area and health care.
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We did see manufacturing kind of stall out, but that goes with the report that we learned recently about manufacturing contracting for the first time
in three years, showing a contraction in August. So not such a huge surprise to see that 3,000 number with those manufacturing jobs.
But it's because of that kind of number that is giving -- that is giving some anticipation for investors to believe that the Fed will go ahead and
cut rates again this month. Hala?
GORANI: Right. And so that was going to be my follow up. I mean, here you have an economy that is doing very well. Unemployment is at record low
levels. Why would the Fed cut rates at this stage?
KOSIK: And that's a really good question. You know, what I think could give the Fed cover or justification for cutting rates, is you're seeing
softness in the labor market. It's because you're seeing contraction in the manufacturing sector. We even saw, as you know, an inverted yield
curve happened more than once, if not twice, three times, four times, which certainly flashes recession.
But we are getting this mixed picture, as we're seeing contraction and manufacturing, we're seeing expansion in the service sector, so it's those
mixed signals that could give the Fed a room to go ahead and cut rates even for a quarter or percentage point which is what the thinking is, not a half
of percent.
GORANI: All right. Thanks very much, Alison Kosik.
KOSIK: Sure.
GORANI: Democrats in the U.S. House are seeking documents related to the use and promotion of some of President Donald Trump's properties. They
want to look into the vice president's recent stay at Mr. Trump's island golf resort. Mr. Pence spent two nights there this week while he was
meeting with the Irish government officials.
However, here's what raised some eyebrows, as you can see on this map, the resort is basically on the wrong coast, a three-hour drive from the capital
of Dublin on the East Coast.
Lawmakers also want to investigate President Trump's promotion of his Miami resort for next year's G7 summit.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The airport is right next to it. It's a big international airport, one of the biggest in the world.
Everybody that's coming all of these people with all of their big entourages come. It's set up -- and by the way, my people looked at 12
sites, all good, but some were two hours from an airport, some were four hours -- I mean, they were so far away. Some didn't allow this or they
didn't allow that with throughout.
We have a series of magnificent buildings, we call them bungalows. They each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms with magnificent views. We
have incredible conference rooms, incredible restaurants. It's like -- it's like such an entree. We wouldn't even have to do the work that they
did here.
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GORANI: Well, all of this is part of the House Judiciary Committee's efforts to look into a decision to broaden its impeachment probe of the
U.S. president.
Senior U.S. congressional correspondent, Manu Raju, is covering the story and he joins me now live from Washington.
There hasn't been a case in past where a U.S. president is a hotel chain owner, basically, promoting his own family's business to host big
international gatherings like the G7. What are Democrats trying to do here?
MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, they're trying to spotlight concerns that have been increasingly raised over the last 2.5
years about the president promoting his properties, the president doing business on his properties, the president regularly visiting his properties
as president. There's a constitutional clause in the U.S. constitution to, essentially, limit the amount of the president -- a president's ability to
enrich himself while in office. Also to limit the opportunity of foreign governments to try to sway the president through financial means and that's
called the emoluments clause of the U.S. constitution.
Now, what the Democrats are contending is that the president is violating the constitution, and these, they say, are two of the latest examples, one,
promoting the -- his Miami golf resort to have the G7, essentially saying foreign governments can come in here and have to pay to attend, do business
at his resort, enrich himself in order to do business with the U.S. government.
And also to have the president's -- the amount of U.S. taxpayer dollars that would -- that go -- that cover the expenses of Vice President Mike
Pence spending time at the president's golf resort in Ireland about 180 miles away from where he was doing official business, something that could
cost several million dollars of taxpayer money but can enrich the president and help his family business.
Those are questions that they say go to the heart of what they're trying to investigate. Whether the president is skirting U.S. law, violating the
federal constitution and whether it's grounds for impeachment, which is why they're sending these letters over the last day or so demanding documents.
We'll see if the White House, ultimately, complies. They almost certainly something the Democrats say need to be investigated in the days ahead,
Hala.
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GORANI: I guess my question is, if there is a law that should require presidents to put up a fire wall between their businesses and the
executive, and in this case, this wall wouldn't exist at all if the president decides to host a G7 summit at his golf resort close to Miami,
right? I mean, it doesn't seem like there's any gray area here.
RAJU: And that's what the Democrats are certainly arguing. The president does not seem too concerned about this. He has made it clear in the
aftermath of his comments suggesting that this was a possible venue for next year's G7, that there was nothing wrong with doing that as attacking
Democrats, attacking the media for these questions.
But this is something that has rarely occurred in the past, as you noted, before probably unprecedented in American history. But what Democrats are
trying to do also here, Hala, they're looking this in the notion of possibly pursuing actual articles of impeachment which the House -- U.S.
House would have to take up first in order to try to remove the president from office.
They're looking at a whole wide range of potential violations of federal law, potential criminal activities that are outlined in the Mueller report
and other actions to try to cast a sweeping net to determine what they could use as an articles of impeachment going forward.
So this is something that they certainly plan to push forward on in the days ahead. The question is, where does this end? The Democrats don't
have an answer to that yet, but the moments at these questions that they have, we'll see how the white house responds. Hala?
GORANI: All right. Manu Raju, thanks very much.
Two big tech companies are facing new scrutiny for anti-trust issues, the coalition of eight states launched an antitrust investigation into Facebook
including how it acquired Instagram and WhatsApp.
And CNN has learned that dozens of states led by Texas are investigating whether Google has broken anti-trust laws. Our tech reporter, Brian Fung
joins me now live from Washington. Tell us more about these efforts to look into Facebook and Google.
BRIAN FUNG, CNN TECHNOLOGY REPORTER: Sure. So this is a big new risk for these companies as these state investigations get rolling here. New York's
attorney general has said she's going to use all the powers of her office to try and investigate Facebook for a potential anti-trust violation here.
The key issues at play could include Facebook's acquisition of other companies, potential competitors that may have been anti-competitive,
Facebook's dominance in the digital advertising market, and what they've done with data, and whether or not there any be privacy violations there
affecting consumers.
I spoke to Tim Wu who is a Columbian University law professor and a former employee at the New York A.G.'s office. And he said, the New York attorney
general's office has a lot of power here to go after Facebook. It could subpoena documents, it could compel the testimony of witnesses such as Mark
Zuckerberg, even, the CEO of Facebook.
And so broadly speaking, this is a big concern for Facebook as it faces increasing scrutiny from state and federal law enforcement officials.
Now, this obviously happens at the same time that Texas is getting ready to announce its own investigation along with dozens of other states into
Google and its advertising practices, looking at some of the same issues at play are involved in the Facebook case, but that's a separate investigation
that will be announced, we're told, on Monday afternoon in front of the U.S. Supreme Court. Hala?
GORANI: All right. Brian Fung, thanks very much.
Attorneys for one of Jeffrey Epstein's accusers want to talk with Prince Andrew, the Duke of York. They are hoping to interview him. They sent him
a letter. They want to discuss his relationship with Epstein, his friend Ghislaine Maxwell, and their client.
The accuser has said that she was forced to have sex with the prince when she was underage. But Prince Andrew has reputedly denied all accusations
in connection with this case. He's admitted though that it was a mistake to see Epstein in 2010 and that was after, the late financier, first
pleaded guilty to sex crimes.
Still to come tonight, as fractures grow over Boris Johnson's Brexit plan, we ask whether the U.K.'s Conservative Party is losing its identity.
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GORANI: It is the party of Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher, and now, Boris Johnson. With moderate members of the Conservative Party getting
kicked out by the prime minister over their Brexit stance. Our Nick Glass asks, does the oldest party in the U.K. have a political future?
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NICK GLASS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Historically, of course, the Conservative Party has been the party of Winnie (ph), Winston Churchill,
famously Britain's wartime prime minister.
The party of Margaret Thatcher, Britain's first female prime minister, and a good friend of Ronald Reagan.
More recently in the 1990s, the party had a very decent cricket-loving chap called John Major.
But now, the Conservatives have Boris Johnson, and one might say, has certain ruthlessness of purpose. The question is as the party continues to
have disarrayed itself over Brexit, is it still what it was a broad church of moderate thinkers?
RORY STEWART, BRITISH INDEPENDENT MP: Actually, in British politics, this is a very, very strange thing. It's something Mrs. Thatcher would never
have considered doing. No prime minister, for centuries, has said that just because somebody voted in parliament against the government once, they
would be deselected from their seats. This is madness.
I mean, these are -- the people they've just fired are some of the most moderate, long-serving senior cabinet ministers in the government.
GLASS: Rory Stewart is one of 21 conservative M.P.s expelled from the party for daring to vote against Boris Johnson over Brexit. Well, they
included Philip Hammond, until recently Chancellor of the Exchequer, one of the most senior cabinet posts and Winston Churchill's grandson.
NICHOLAS SOAMES, MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: I voted for the withdrawal agreement on every occasion that's being presented to the
highest, which is more than can be said from arriving or from the prime minister, the leader of highest and now the members of the cabinet who
share disloyalty has been such an inspiration to so many of us.
GLASS: With fellow rebels hugely enjoyed the ironic joke.
STEWART: We don't want to defect, we're conservatives. We want to fight for the soul of our party.
PHILIP HAMMOND, BRITISH INDEPENDENT MP: I am going to defend my party against incomers, entryists who are trying to turn it from a broad church
into a narrow faction.
Philip Hammond is clearly pointing the finger of blame at Boris Johnson's chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, who recently understand a paid up
Conservative Party member. It can be safely stated that Cummings is not universally liked, certainly, by some of the Tory rebels, many regard him
as sinister and Machiavellian and detect his hand in their sacking.
One Times' cartoon goes so far as to suggest that Cummings is running things.
A traditional Conservative Party ally, the Daily Mail, wants him out, demanding that the Downing Street Rottweiler must now go. As it happens,
Boris Johnson has just lost another conservative M.P., his younger brother, Jo Johnson, has resigned as M.P. and junior minister. He sighted an
unresolvable tension, torn between family loyalty and the national interest. Jo Johnson wouldn't elaborate.
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One of Boris Johnson's heroes is Winston Churchill. But would he recognize the new Conservative Party that the new prime minister is now leading
hardline Brexit, and it would seem intensely nationalist.
Nick Glass, CNN, at Westminster.
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GORANI: More to come including India is putting a probe on the moon in just a couple of hours. And that's not the end of the country's space
goals.
And this is probably the most expensive beer in history. Find out how much one journalist paid for his IPA. We'll be right back.
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GORANI: This is a remarkable story. Listen to this. A woman has been charged with trying to smuggle a baby out of the Philippines in her carryon
luggage.
CNN's Kristie Lu Stout tells us she was caught at the Manila airport.
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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the Philippines, an American woman has been charged with human trafficking after officials say
that she tried to smuggle a 6-day-old from the country. The woman is a 43- year-old from Ohio. Her name Jennifer Talbot. We don't have any other details about the newborn.
At a press conference in Manila, an official involved in the investigation said that Talbot used a sling bag to hide the baby while passing through
immigration. The official also said that after immigration, Talbot was carrying the newborn when she tried to board her Delta Airlines flight.
At the boarding gate, Delta crew asked the woman to provide documentation for the child and when she didn't have it, Philippines authorities were
then contacted. Talbot has been charged with violating the anti- trafficking and Persons Act of 2003.
She had a notarized affidavit declaring that she intended to adopt the baby but it was not signed by the child's mother. That's according to CNN
Philippines. But she gave no information on whether the child had been given or sold. Authorities said the mother has been identified and will be
charged but police have not been able to find the child's father.
Investigations into this case are ongoing and one could only imagine what the newborn had to endure while inside that carryon bag, going through
security, going through immigration in this brazing attempt to smuggle a 6- day-old out of the Philippines.
Kristie Lu Stout, CNN, Hong Kong.
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GORANI: So many questions. It's unclear when Talbot will appear in court or if she's being represented by an attorney.
India's on the verge of becoming the fourth nation to make a soft landing on the moon. A probe is set to land there within the next few hours.
But as the space program grows in India, some are questioning, whether or not, the country can afford it. Ram Ramgopal reports.
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RAM RAMGOPAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Only three countries, the U.S., the former Soviet Union, and China have managed to land a spacecraft on the
moon.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lift off normal.
RAMGOPAL: And now, India is hoping to do just that with this probe called Chandrayaan 2. It's due to land on the lunar surface. For the first time,
a craft will make a soft landing close to the moon's southern pole. This mission sets the stage for something much bigger, putting Indian astronauts
in space by 2022. For India's Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, it's about projecting national power.
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NARENDRA MODI, INDIAN PRIME MINISTER: We will send a man mission into space and we will do it with our own astronauts.
RAMGOPAL: India's already made a mark on the final frontier. In 2017, it launched more than 100 satellites in one mission. And in 2014, it made
global headlines by sending a satellite into orbit around mars, all for just $74 million. Staggeringly cheap for a space mission.
But questions remain about India's ambitions. Analysts say there is a huge gulf between the country's goals and what it can realistically achieve at
least for now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One clear indicator to see whether these are feasible and how quickly these are feasible is the budget allocation. And if you
look at the budget allocation for space in the last few years, there have been talk about increasing the space budget, but there has been a very,
very marginal increase. It's going to be a while before we see these things materializing.
RAMGOPAL: Setting big goals does, however, send a signal that India has arrived.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some of these things are merely to show that we have ambitions, we are going to be a big player. We are a big power. We do
have ambition.
RAMGOPAL: And that's what it comes down to 50 years on from the Apollo 11 moon landings, India wants the world to know that it is making its own
giant leaps.
Ram Ramgopal, CNN.
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GORANI: And before we go, we've all been there, right, overcharged a little at the bar. Not looked close enough at the bill. But probably
nothing like this.
An Australian journalist faced a bill of more than $67,000 U.S. for one beer. Peter Lalor was horrified when the bar staff, at an English pub,
just added a few extra zeros to the price of a $6 pint. And here's kind of the worst news, the credit card company allowed the purchase to go through.
He tweeted that it would take nine working days to get his money back.
And, by the way, he tweeted that just a few days ago. So he's still down $66,000 from what we understand, for one pint of beer. I think we can
safely the most extensive beer in history.
I'm Hala Gorani, if it's your weekend, have a great one. Thanks for watching. Stay with CNN. "Quest Means Business" is coming up next.
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