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Warren Fires Back at Biden, "I'm Angry and I Own It"; Fractured Media Could Have Big Impact on Impeachment; What to Expect in The Televised Impeachment Hearings; 13-Year-Old Boy Who Survived Massacre Speaks Out; Plane Skids Off Runway in Chicago's Icy Weather. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired November 11, 2019 - 15:30   ET



[15:30:00] JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- Medicare For All proposal and then I think it was forthrightly stated exactly what is was going to do and how much it was going to cost, that I'm running in the wrong primary. Well, that's not anger, that's just misleading.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: She's taking it and making it about how women are referred to. You think that that's misguided?

BIDEN: No, it's totally -- it's not anything that I did or was intending to do, it had nothing to do with that.


BALDWIN: Jess McIntosh, Head of Communications Outreach with the Hillary Clinton campaign was the Vice President of Communications for Emily's list which backs Democratic female candidates. So Jess, did I see a laugh out of the corner of my eye when I said -- he said this has nothing to do with gender? I mean, are you not buying that from the former Vice President?

JESS MCINTOSH, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: If this were the first offense of this kind, perhaps we could say, all right. I didn't hear it with elitism. I think elitism get's thrown around to men and women about equally. But when you call a woman angry, it's pretty obvious how people are going to take that, and Joe Biden has had a number of issues in using some engendered language when talking about his Democratic rivals.

He has that moment in the debate where he told Elizabeth Warren that he had actually gotten votes for her when she was talking about her work and starting the CFPB. Then he said, you did a good job at your job, and I think every woman watching saw that and recognized that moment from their own workplace lives. This is not unfamiliar to us, that's why it's a problem for Joe Biden. We're in like an unprecedented moment right now, both in terms of opportunity and in terms of actual threats to women with what's going on with the Supreme Court. We really need to see a nominee who gets it, and continued comments like this over and over again, really make us nervous. BALDWIN: On to another woman who would like to be President, Senator

Amy Klobuchar. So I want you to listen to what she told my colleague, Jake Tapper about Mayor Pete Buttigieg.


JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: Recent comments in "The New York Times" suggest that you don't believe that Mayor Buttigieg is qualified too be the President, am I reading that wrong?

SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes. I don't think I want to dwell on various press articles. But I'll say this, I think any of the candidates that were on that debate stage were more qualified than the President of the United States right now.

TAPPER: So that's more qualified than Trump?

KLOBUCHAR: Mayor Pete --

TAPPER: Do you think Buttigieg is qualified, period?



KLOBUCHAR: But let me explain why I think I am the better candidate. I'm the one from the Midwest that's actually won in a statewide race over and over again, and that's not true of Mayor Pete, that's just a fact. I'm focusing here on my fellow women Senators, Senator Harris, Senator Warren and myself. Do I think that we would be standing on that stage if we had the experience that he had? No, I don't. Maybe we're held to a different standard.


TAPPER: So again, to be clear, she says Mayor Buttigieg is qualified --


BALDWIN: -- but she also says given his resume, if he were a woman that she wouldn't be anywhere near the debate stage. And I'm curious how you think that comment lands?

MCINTOSH: That interview right there showed the challenges that women have to overcome when they're trying to point out a double standard. Nobody is saying that Pete Buttigieg should not be on the debate stage. What she was saying, was that sexism prevents us from recognizing the same potential and talent in a woman. That's all.

BALDWIN: Full stop.

MCINTOSH: Men get to show up with potential and we reward them for it. And sometimes that is a wonderful thing. I mean President Obama showed up with enormous potential and not a ton of experience. And that was a good thing for us. I think President Obama was unequivocally a good thing.

However, women have to show up with the receipts. They can't show up and say, I know I can do something great. Think have to have the math done about how they have already accomplished great things. They have to have their agendas line itemed. They have to have it approved by everybody already. They have to have key stakeholders bought in, they have to be ready to go on day negative one. And men just aren't treated that way, especially when we're talking about running for President.

BALDWIN: I do want to point out we are that talking about Mayor Pete Buttigieg. He is a veteran -- comments were made Veterans Day weekend.

MCINTOSH: I think that was unfortunate timing.

BALDWIN: And I should just say that this VoteVets organization, this progressive veterans' rights group is defending Buttigieg and wants an apology from her. So, just that's also another piece of the story that's been percolating today on Veteran's Day. Jess McIntosh, thank you very much for all of that.

Coming up next, impeachment in the age of the internet. We'll discuss how our fractured media and short attention spans could have a massive impact on how the nation views the impeachment hearings, which begin the day after tomorrow.

Plus, Rudy Giuliani may launch a pod cast during these impeachment hearings despite the fact that he is, by the way, at the center of this scandal. He is the President's lawyer, he is a key witness, and he is the subject of an investigation. We'll discuss all of it.



BALDWIN: It has been 21 years since the American public last witnessed an impeachment hearing of a sitting President. The 1998 Clinton hearings and the 1973 Nixon Watergate hearings were both major network TV events. Millions of people watched, glued to their TV sets. What they heard would go on to influence public and political opinion.


Fast forward to 2019 and the Trump inquiry in the digital age and this time may be different. Bill Carter, former "New York Times" media reporter and CNN media analyst is here. Along with Nicole Hemmer, Associate Research Scholar at Columbia University and a political historian specializing in media, conservatism and the far right.

So I'm absolutely fascinated by this. And if I may, you know, we were just talking commercial break, I was merely a twinkle in my mother's eye during Watergate, not quite around. But you were saying that you remember -- I mean it was referred to -- "Variety" referred to it as the hottest daytime soap opera, tens of millions of people tuned in. What was that like?

BILL CARTER, CNN MEDIA ANALYST: It was must see TV. I mean you were fascinated by the process, because no one had seen that before. Andrew Johnson was not familiar. And also, there was new things every day, and these characters would emerge, and you didn't know who they were. Sort of obscure, Senator Howard Baker was not a well-known Senator, but he became well known.

And then there were the questions. Like Fred Thompson for the conservatives, for the Republicans became an actor, because he looked so stately and he performed so well, they loved his accent. And it was really -- there was drama and there was unexpected development. Oh, there are tapes. There where tapes, my gosh, you know. So you had to watch it, I think something like 80 percent of the population wound up seeing some of it.

BALDWIN: Extraordinary. Times have changed. The way people get their news has changed. And also people tune in, that everyone's in their own corner. Look at this.


GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: You know, if it wasn't your show, Sean. they would destroy him absolutely, you're the difference between Donald J. Trump and Richard Nixon.


BALDWIN: How will this be different?

NICOLE HEMMER, ASSOCIATE RESEARCH SCHOLAR, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: So that is exactly how it's going to be different.


HEMMER: There's going to be this ongoing spin machine that's operating around impeachment. And while there is small one of those that was happening back during the Nixon era, we haven't really had an impeachment in this kind of environment. But it also means that's going to be happening on Fox and other places, but it's going to be happening in the hearing as well, because Republican Congressmen are reflecting the very things that are being said on Fox.

BALDWIN: The President will be tweeting about --

CARTER: Right in the middle of it, absolutely.

BALDWIN: -- his own impeachment inquiry, there are you know bits and pieces that will be on Twitter, people will pick and they'll cherry pick. And I'm just wondering, how you think Americans will sort through it all and find the facts?

CARTER: Here's the thing, the Americans that are interested in the facts will try to listen and hear what's going on. But it's a little bit like sports bars because people now go too their own team's sports bar. BALDWIN: So true.

CARTER: And that's really what's going to happen here. So you're going to be stuck in the silo of information that I'm just getting, and that's all I want to hear. I don't want to hear the other side. And I expect the way the Republicans are approaching it, there's going to be like diversions and distractions. Things for them to talk about so they don't have to talk about what the testimony was. It's not going to be like we've seen before.

BALDWIN: But to your point about -- and I just had John Dean on TV with me last week saying, Brooke, I couldn't believe and you know, I come off -- be televised, and people would say to me, hey, Mr. Dean, thanks for the show. And he's like, this isn't a show, this is real life, but now he appreciates how it would be perceived. But I'm curious with, you know, actual human faces.

We talk so much about these non-household names, they're becoming household names, but with having human faces personalizing what's happening, how much weight do you think that will carry?

HEMMER: I think it matters a lot. Because there will be people tuning in, because they want to understand this better, and we've seen over the past few months the numbers on impeachment and removal move. And they're moving in response to things people are learning. And having someone sit down and tell you exactly what happened, that's going to be something that has some power, it's not going to affect what Republicans in the Senate do, but it is going to reflect how people understand what happened and what they believe should happen.

BALDWIN: You don't think -- I mean I read this quote from a political science professor who said, if only 10 percent are affected negatively affected by the testimony -- talking about just people, Americans watching. Trump's removal number jumps from 50 to 60 percent, that would represent an enormous hit for him and could lead some Republican Senators to consider a vote to remove the President. You don't think this is might sway -- I'm looking at both your faces.

CARTER: I don't think so.


CARTER: I think people are in their corners, I don't think Republicans will risk the wrath of Fox News and the base going against them. I don't think they'll risk that. The thing I do think is though people will look at these witnesses and see their personality. So I think the character assassination aspect will definitely hurt the Republicans. If they try to assassinate this guy in uniform, because they say he's a Never Trump, I think that will hurt them, but I don't think the Senators are particularly movable. I don't think they are.

BALDWIN: I'm sure so many people will tune in, because this is history.

CARTER: Oh, yes, got to see it.

BALDWIN: Bill and Nicole, thank you so much.

Coming up next here on CNN, the harrowing story of the teenage survivor of that deadly ambush in Mexico. He is speaking out for the first time, describing what he saw when cartels opened fire on his family.



BALDWIN: New developments today in the massacre that killed three American mothers and six of their children in Mexico. Members of the fundamentalism Mormon community who fled the United States to Mexico to escape persecution 50 years ago are now returning to the United States out of fear of the growing violence south of the border.

Also new today, Mexico is now inviting the FBI to join in its investigation of the ambush. This comes as we're hearing for the first time from the 13-year-old boy who not only witnessed the murder of his mother and two of his little brothers.


He also hid other siblings, some of whom were injured, and then walked 14 miles to find help and here is how he recounts the horror he experienced firsthand.


DEVIN BLAKE LANGFORD, 13-YEAR-OLD BOY WALKED 6 HOURS TO GET HELP AFTER DEADLY AMBUSH OF FAMILY: It felt scary and it felt like a lot of bullets. Afterwards they got us out of the car and they just got us on the floor, and then they drove off so I started walking because every one of them were bleeding really bad. So I was trying to get in a rush to get there.


BALDWIN: Matt Rivers is live in Mexico City. And Matt, so much composure and bravery for someone so young. What else are we hearing from this family?

MATT RIVERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brooke, that's what I was going to say. Just the composure and the way that young man is able to talk about just a situation that none of us could really ever imagine being in. And really hearing from him is one of the first times that we've heard firsthand testimony about an event that we really don't know much about. That investigators continue to look into to try and determine how things happened and why.

But in terms of that young man being able to shed some light on what happened, we know he's going to speak to investigators, his father's going to speak to investigators. But one of the things they might ask him about is what he heard inside of the car and here is what he told ABC this morning about what happened in the moments when the bullets started hitting their car. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LANGFORD: She was trying to pray to the Lord and she's trying to start the car up to get out of there. She was a nice person and a brave woman. I tried to save her kids.


RIVERS: He's talking about his mother's final moments there. Her trying desperately to save her children. Ultimately, what she was able to do at least for some of those kids. Now that young man's father also spoke about his other children, some of whom who passed. Let's hear what he had to say.


DAVID LANGFORD, HIS WIFE, 2 OF THIS CHILDREN KILLED IN AMBUSH: I lost a wife and two children. I'm having to move the rest of my family with really no place to go at this point. To be honest with you, my boy is a hero simply because he gave his life for his brothers and sisters.


RIVERS: So this family is part of a community as you mentioned off the top, Brooke, that has lived in this area for decades and only now after this have they decided things have become so untenable, so unsafe in Northwest Mexico that they have

to leave. And that is no small decision for this community to make after being there for so long.

The question that they have now, are investigators, why did this happen, Brooke, a week later? Investigators at least publicly still have not said what a possible motive could be behind these attacks.

BALDWIN: Awful. Thank you for sharing what that brave little boy and his father had to say, Matt Rivers in Mexico for us.

Just a short time from now, a federal judge will hear arguments in a case that is critical to the impeachment investigation. It may decide whether the key members of Trump's inner circle including his chief of staff could be forced to testify.

Plus, we are live in Chicago where hundreds of flights have been canceled because of -- well, you're looking at it, icy, snowy weather and even one plane skidded off the runway.



BALDWIN: An arctic blast complete with lots of snow and ice is already sweeping across parts of the Midwest. Conditions were so bad this morning in Chicago that this happened at O'Hare International Airport.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we landed?


BALDWIN: Holy moly, that would be scary if you were on that plane. Airport officials say this American Eagle jet skidded off the runway because of those icy conditions. Omar Jimenez is live in Chicago. And Omar, first, I'm cold looking at you, number one. Number two, are those passengers OK?

OMAR JIMENEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The passengers are OK. But this is part of what is going to be a cold stretch for a good portion of the country. About two-thirds or so. And of course scary moments when that plane, American Airlines plane, was coming into O'Hare Airport. Passengers obviously could see it was snowy but maybe didn't think twice about the fact it was going to be a smooth landing. Well, it wasn't and the plane skidded off the side of the runway. Thankfully again, everyone was OK but scary moments, nonetheless.

And when you talk about the flights we've seen overall, more than 900 flights canceled because of these snowy conditions between the major airports here in Chicago. And the weather we have seen already having an impact. It was early this morning we are already seeing a lot of this snow fall, remnants on some of the cars here.

But bottom line it's just really a region that is seeing these effects. In Minneapolis for example which we always know is cold, tonight they are expected to get to negative 15 degrees with windchill. We also know it is Veterans' Day today, and in Indianapolis they had to move the Veterans' Day services inside because of the snow. And in some ways, it was kind of a good thing that this happened on Veterans' Day. A lot of the would-be commuters that were out there were actually staying home. All that is left is for the temperature to drop 30, 40, even 50 degrees in the next --

BALDWIN: Bundle up, everybody. Bundle up and stay warm. I'm talking to myself as well. Omar Jimenez, thank you very much, there in Chicago. Good to see you.

That is it for me. I'm Brooke Baldwin.