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Delays for Holiday Travelers; New Polls on Impeachment; Buttigieg gets Endorsement; Jackson and Ravens Keep Rolling. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired November 26, 2019 - 06:30 ET
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ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Sixteen inches of snow is predicted.
CNN meteorologist Chad Myers has our forecast.
What are you seeing, Chad?
CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: You know, I think the people of Boulder are tired of snow. They moved out there to see the snow, but they've already had 32 inches before this storm, another 10 to 12 on top of that. Snowing heavily right now in Denver. Low visibilities. It's only 4:30. No planes in and out of there just yet, but it could be very slow today.
Winter storm warnings all the way from the Great Lakes back into the desert southwest. We will even have some blizzard conditions across parts of Nebraska, Kansas, and Colorado. Now that's not the bulk of the travel areas, but if you're traveling across I-76 or 80, it is going to be a mess.
Move you ahead until tomorrow. We start to see that snow move into the northern Great Lakes. Most of this storm, though, is rain. This is a warm enough storm to make rain through Wednesday and Thursday and even into Friday. So the rain could slow you down, especially at the airports, but it really won't be much in the way of snow for this storm on the eastern half of the U.S. There could be some tornados today. Also something else going on, very heavy rainfall across the southeast. That could certainly slow down the Atlanta Hartsfield- Jackson Airport.
And I know you'll want to know about these balloons, but the forecast is for 34 to 35 miles per hour gusts, and that is right on the threshold. This is going to be a game time decision for Thursday morning. The winds are going to be strong Thursday in downtown New York.
John.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: They'll still have the, you know, the bands and stuff, of course.
CAMEROTA: The parade. But that would be a bummer without the balloons. Let's -- let's admit it.
MYERS: It would
CAMEROTA: All right, Chad, thank you very much.
MYERS: You're welcome.
CAMEROTA: We have some breaking news just out this morning. A new CNN national poll shows support for impeachment holding steady with 50 percent of Americans saying that President Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Interestingly, that number has not changed since last month before the impeachment hearings, but it does prove the president wrong when he claims that impeachment -- support for impeachment is decreasing.
So here to break down the numbers, CNN's senior politics writer and analyst Harry Enten.
Hi, Harry.
HARRY ENTEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICS WRITER AND ANALYST: Hi. And let me just say, I love Snoopy, though. That's my favorite float.
Look, let's take sort of a little bit deeper dive into this new poll. And I think basically the story is, as you were hinting at, Alisyn, the story is basically the same, folks, Trump's job approval rating now at 42 percent. Look at this, I took of the last five polls, 42, 41, 39, 40, 43 percent. All of those are within the margin of error. This makes it a very, very steady story.
And that's basically what we're seeing on impeachment as well, right? Overall, do you want to impeach/remove Trump from the presidency? Fifty percent said yes this month. Fifty percent said yes last month. Forty-seven percent said yes in September.
But, of course, I think what's very important is looking at those Republicans, is there going to be pressure of those Republican senators to vote to remove Trump if the House does, in fact, impeach him. And, look here, a same, similar story, which is just 10 percent of Republicans want to impeach and remove Trump from office now. That's up four points from October, but that's actually down from September. Again, all within the margin of error.
BERMAN: I just want to make one thing clear, the president has been running around, you know, is throwing out these numbers that simply aren't true, saying support for impeachment is dropping. It's not. It's not rising --
ENTEN: No.
BERMAN: But it's not dropping. And to have 50 percent of Americans saying they want you impeached and removed from office is not insignificant.
ENTEN: It's not insignificant. And, again, you're exactly right, these numbers are indicative of a public that at this point is staying pretty much the same place as it has been. The president, not surprisingly, quoting an incorrect number or making up a number on Twitter. I know we're all shocked about that.
CAMEROTA: But I do think it's interesting that the hearings haven't moved the needle. I mean that's obviously what Democrats were hoping for. But explain how this was phrased, because I know that that makes a difference.
ENTEN: This does, in fact, make a difference. So in this poll we asked sked it two separate ways, right? We said, should Trump be impeached and removed from office? That's about 50 percent. We also asked this question, which I think is really interesting, which gives you an understanding that the phrasing of words really makes a difference here. Enough evidence for the House to vote to impeach Trump, and respondents were reminded that the House must vote on impeachment before the Senate trial and possible removal. And what did we see here? Only 48 percent say there's enough evidence for the House to -- to vote to impeach Trump, versus 47 percent who say no. So that's a closer margin than we see right here.
BERMAN: Why do you think that is? Because it's interesting to me because when you ask the voters about the evidence, they don't like what they're hearing.
ENTEN: Yes, I think that's exactly right. So basically they said, OK, among those who are against impeaching Trump, I broke it down into some cross hairs (ph), right? Among those who approve of Trump's job overall, we see very similar numbers, right? Not surprisingly 92 percent of those who approve of Trump overall say there's not enough evidence for the House to impeach Trump. Should not be impeached and removed, 93 percent. But in this overall disapprove of Trump column, what we see here is that a slightly larger percent, 12 percent of those who overall disapprove of Trump, say there's not enough evidence from the House to impeach Trump at this point. So it might be this situation, right, whereby there are people who really don't like Trump but they say maybe there's not enough evidence right now to do so when they're reminded of that fact.
CAMEROTA: And how's the Ukraine controversy playing?
ENTEN: Right. I think -- look, regardless of whether or not you want to impeach Trump or impeach and remove Trump, there's a lot of folks who are basically saying that Trump's interactions with the Ukrainian president, 53 percent say he improperly used his presidency.
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And, look here, Trump's motive, he wants to say I want to fight corruption, but those -- but, in fact, the majority, 56 percent say he did interact with him to benefit himself politically. So even if the impeachment number might be closer to even, the majority of voters clearly think Trump acted improperly.
BERMAN: And that may give Democrats something they're going to run on.
Who's watching and how much attention are they paying? ENTEN: Yes, I think this might give you an understanding of why the
numbers aren't moving, and that is, are you paying very or somewhat close attention to the impeachment proceedings? There are a lot of folks who are. But, look, this number, the independents, I think here, is rather important. And those are the people who might move the most, and they are paying the least attention at this particular point, just 73 percent of them versus that 82 percent for Democrats and 80 percent for Republicans.
CAMEROTA: Oh, we have to leave it there.
Thank you very much for this hot off the presses poll.
BERMAN: I know you have more numbers. You're just going to have to save it. You're just going to have to save it. You're going to have to save it, save it, save it, save it.
CAMEROTA: For now.
BERMAN: All right, breaking this morning, one of the leading Democratic contenders just picked up an intriguing endorsement. Find out who is endorsing me.
CAMEROTA: Oh, I can't wait to hear.
BERMAN: Next.
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BERMAN: Breaking news, Democratic Presidential Candidate Pete Buttigieg has just picked up a new congressional endorsement this morning. New York Congresswoman Kathleen Rice tells CNN she is backing Buttigieg because he is, quote, the only candidate whose message is focused on addressing both our long-term and short-term challenges.
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Joining us now is CNN political commentator Mitch Landrieu. He is the former Democratic mayor of New Orleans.
Mayor, thanks so much for being with us.
This is the third congressional endorsement that Mayor Buttigieg has picked up. He's leading in the polls in Iowa. He's close in New Hampshire. What do you see here?
MITCH LANDRIEU, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, he's had an amazing campaign so far, you know, and he continues to outperform where people expected him to be. So, that's good.
BERMAN: He's at zero percent in the polls in South Carolina among African-American voters. And you have an interesting perspective on this I'm sure because as mayor of New Orleans, you know, a huge percentage of your electorate was African-American. How can it be that Buttigieg is at zero in South Carolina with African-American voters? He's been campaigning there. At this point it can't be just that they don't know him.
LANDRIEU: Well, I think that that's probably true. You know, African- American voters think just like everybody else, they vote for people that they know, they vote for people that they like, and they vote for people that they feel comfortable with. So that's going to be a major challenge for Mayor Pete.
I don't know that you can win the Democratic primary without significant amounts of African-American votes. So he's got a very long hill to climb. So as well as he's doing in Iowa and New Hampshire, he's got a mountain when he gets to South Carolina.
BERMAN: I want to ask you about a question of parochial interest to you, which is that your senator, John Kennedy, created quite a stir over the last few days. At first he went on TV and denied the U.S. intelligence that Russia attacked the U.S. election, hacking the DNC server. But last night on CNN he reversed himself. So let me play you the evolution.
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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS: Was it Russia or Ukraine?
SEN. JOHN KENNEDY (R-LA): I don't know, nor do you, nor do any of us.
WALLACE: The entire intelligence community says it was Russia.
KENNEDY: Right, but it could also be Ukraine.
I was wrong. The only evidence I have -- and I think it's overwhelming -- is that it was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer.
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BERMAN: You know it's not something we hear very often these days, someone just come out and say I was wrong. How did he get it wrong, and what do you make of the admission?
LANDRIEU: Well, good for John. I've been knowing John a long time. John is a very smart guy. He even misspoke. He must not have had his cafe olay (ph) that morning when he misspoke, but I'm glad he redirected and corrected himself because all of the intelligence agencies knows that if - that it was Russia. They are the significant threat to us, and they are the common thread that runs through all of these stories.
BERMAN: And, again, I mean you say he didn't have his cafe olay (ph) but it's not just him. Other Republicans, in some cases, have looked at the fact and said we just don't believe them.
LANDRIEU: Well, I think it's absurd. I think the facts are really, really clear. All of our intelligence agency have said what it is. All of the witnesses have testified to that. They've gotten classified briefings, evidently, so they know that's true. So I don't know why they keep speaking. John knows the difference, and I'm glad that he corrected himself, and
I'm thankful that he did. So now what we need to do, now that they know what the real reason is, is to focus on making sure that Russia never does that again and punish them for doing it.
BERMAN: That's right. I mean this is a matter of national security. You've got to admit the truth if you want to keep it from happening again.
Back to the presidential race. And I am loathe to give too much attention to the Bloomberg campaign when Michael Bloomberg is really nowhere in the polls just yet, but his campaign manager said something interesting yesterday. Listen to what Kevin Sheekey told our Kate Bolduan on CNN.
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KEVIN SHEEKEY, BLOOMBERG 2020 CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Mike is getting into this race because he thinks that Donald Trump is an existential crisis and he thinks he's on a path to victory.
The general election is in six states, that's it, right? It's in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida and Arizona. That's the whole general election. And right now Donald Trump is winning. He is winning that election. It's very tough for people who don't live in New York or California to understand that, but that is what's happening.
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BERMAN: Donald Trump is winning. What do you think of that message?
LANDRIEU: Well, a couple of things. Full disclosure, I do some work for Bloomberg philanthropies, but I don't necessarily agree with Kevin in that analysis. I think that Donald Trump can win the race. I think we have 21 really good candidates. I think the public is really tired of President Trump and the -- and the question for everybody that's running is, who is best able to beat him? Up to this point, the common theory has been that that's Joe Biden. The race was supposed to narrow by now. We're going in the opposite direction. The race is expanding. And I don't think that anybody who's got a crystal ball can tell what's going to happen.
BERMAN: You know, a month and a half ago -- or I don't even know if it was that long ago -- you were famously quoted in a "New York Times" article saying you were hearing anxiety about the field, the Democratic field.
LANDRIEU: That's exactly right.
BERMAN: Do you still hear that anxiety or has it settled down?
LANDRIEU: Well, I think when you -- when you see the entrance of Deval Patrick and Mike Bloomberg at this late date, it is a manifestation of that anxiety. And I think both of these guys looked at the field and said, I think that Joe Biden's going to fall. [06:45:01]
I think that that's over exaggerated. I think the vice president has withstood a tremendous amount of incoming. And although he's not leading the way he was, he's still very competitive.
What's unusual about this race is that in most past years, this thing would be narrowing at this point. Right now the field seems to be expanding. And I don't think we know what it's going to look like, especially since Mayor Bloomberg has decided to forgo really the first four contests. We've never had that happen before. I don't know that that's going to work out well, but he seems to think it will and he's got the chips to put down to see if that's true.
BERMAN: Chips as in big bank account.
All right, Mayor Mitch Landrieu, thanks so much for being with us.
LANDRIEU: Great.
BERMAN: We will share a cafe olay (ph) with you any time.
CAMEROTA: And a (INAUDIBLE).
BERMAN: Exactly.
LANDRIEU: It's good stuff. And a venea (ph).
BERMAN: All right, coming up on NEW DAY, we're going to speak with two candidates running for president, New Jersey Senator Cory Booker and former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick.
CAMEROTA: OK, ousted Navy Secretary Richard Spencer speaking out in a new interview. We'll show you what he thinks about the president intervening in a war crimes case, next.
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BERMAN: There is something happening in football this season.
CAMEROTA: Oh, I can tell you that.
BERMAN: And it's called the Baltimore Ravens. Lamar Jackson, he put on a show last night on Monday night football.
CAMEROTA: Oh, did he.
BERMAN: Carolyn Manno has more in the "Bleacher Report.
Alisyn's been telling me all morning, this is extraordinary (INAUDIBLE).
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CAMEROTA: I have. CAROLYN MANNO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, you are exactly right, as you always are when it comes to sports, because you know that Lamar Jackson is an outstanding player. He says he's more focused on a Super Bowl title than an MVP title. But that is what everybody is talking about. After his performance on Monday night, it was incredible. His arm was on full display. He destroyed the Rams, five passing touchdowns in the 45 to 6 route. At only 22 years old, he is the first player in NFL history with at least 3,000 passing yards, 1,500 rushing yards over his first two seasons. Baltimore has won seven straight, moving to within one game of John's New England Patriots for the top seed in the AFC. They're OK for now though.
And, by the way, a nice moment during the New York Rangers hockey fights cancer night. Rangers fan Bradley Lingad (ph) and his brother Ethan dropped the ceremonial first puck and rang the bell to celebrate Bradley being cancer free. The seven year old fought leukemia for three and a half years until having his cancerous cells removed a couple of months ago.
Similar ceremonies, by the way, John and Alisyn, happening all across the NHL this month. This is a great initiative that they do. Since its inception back in '98, over $25 million for all kinds of families who are fighting different types of cancers. So nice -- nice to see that.
BERMAN: That was wonderful.
CAMEROTA: That was wonderful.
MANNO: Yes.
CAMEROTA: Carolyn, thank you very much.
MANNO: Thank you, Alisyn.
Thank you.
CAMEROTA: Anytime.
MANNO: Yes, thank you.
CAMEROTA: Anytime.
All right, meanwhile, ousted Navy Secretary Richard Spencer hitting back at President Trump in a brand new interview, saying that the president's intervention in Eddie Gallagher's war crimes case sent the wrong message to the troops.
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RICHARD SPENCER, FORMER NAVY SECRETARY: What message does that send to the troops?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, CBS NEWS: Well, what message does it send?
SPENCER: That you can get away with things. We have to have good order and discipline. It's the backbone of what we do. I don't think he really understands the full definition of a war
fighter. A war fighter is a profession of arms and a profession of arms has standards.
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CAMEROTA: Joining us now is Guy Snodgrass. He's the former speechwriter to General James Mattis.
Good morning, Guy.
GUY SNODGRASS, FORMER SPEECHWRITER TO SECRETARY MATTIS: Good morning, Alisyn, how are you?
CAMEROTA: I'm well.
Do you agree with Richard Spencer -- oh, and the author of the new book, "Holding the Line: Inside Trump's Pentagon with Secretary Mattis."
We'll get to the book in a moment.
SNODGRASS: Sure.
Well, to your first point, I do agree with Secretary Spencer's larger point. I mean when you think about what's happening, there's an internal audience, there's an external audience. The internal audience here are the members, the men and women who serve in the U.S. military. And just like he said, it's about good order and discipline. It's about making sure that everyone understands in a profession that we police ourselves. So you don't want to set up a situation where if you can catch the president's ear, then maybe you get a pass. And if you can't, then you have to go through the formal judicial system or the -- or the military judicial system.
On the other hand, there's the educational audience, and that's, of course, our allies and partners around the world. They want to be understand, they want to be reassured that America's military is professional and that they can count on us when that time comes.
CAMEROTA: But do you think that it sends the wrong message to potential bad actors that they can get away with something?
SNODGRASS: Well, I think that's a far more nuanced view. Again it's how do you -- how do you apply a selective system like this where if you can get on Fox News, if you can catch the president's eye or ear that maybe you do get that pass. But if you can't, then your case goes unnoticed. And it sets up a two track system. It's incredibly dangerous for those who wear the uniform to -- to rely on. You don't want that. You want a same system for everyone as a professional organization where you understand that if something comes up, then you need to work through the system, just like the men and women who sit and stand to the left and right of you.
CAMEROTA: We have a little bit of breaking news that is just into our newsroom. This comes from Congresswoman Jackie Speier. She's the chair of the House Subcommittee on Military Personnel, and she says, we've had our disagreements, but I am still distressed to see Secretary Spencer dismissed in the wake of the president's efforts to subvert the military justice system. I will be calling on the Department of Defense inspector general to investigate and determine the circumstances of his termination.
Do you think that that's the right tact?
SNODGRASS: Look, I mean the thing that concerned me the most with what you saw play out over the weekend, and yesterday as well, is the fact that you had Secretary of Defense Esper release an official statement through DOD channels, you had Secretary Spencer release a -- what looked to be a resignation letter, even though he was fired. You have comments coming from the Navy SEAL, Eddie Gallagher. So none of those really line up.
And, again, that's -- that's that kind of confusing, chaotic moment we have right now in the -- in -- for members of the military. Who's telling the truth? What's really going on behind the scenes? We're not sure.
Anytime that you can get to the facts, anytime you can begin to say, again, get back to the -- it's a professional organization. You have standards and you have to adhere to those.
CAMEROTA: OK. So it sounds like an investigation is needed.
But let's move on to one of the most riveting parlor games gripping Washington right now, and that is, who is the author behind the anonymous op-ed that was written back in 2018 and the new book called "A Warning."
SNODGRASS: Right.
CAMEROTA: As you know, there's been lots of speculation that it is you. What is your answer? Are you the writer?
SNODGRASS: No, I'm not the writer. I mean I -- I got asked that -- evidently that news popped right before I went on to a different television show yesterday.
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They asked me the question, I kind of batted it away. I thought it would be asked and we'd be done. And really anchor down, to put it to rest, no, I'm not the author of "A Warning." I'm not the anonymous op- ed writer. For me, I did write "Holding the Line." I put my name to it. Because I think it's important. Readers need the opportunity to assess who wrote the material, who wrote the book. What is their bias? Where do they come from? What is their background? Are they an expert?
And there's also an element of accountability that goes with putting your name to something. So I wanted to make sure I put my name to my book.
CAMEROTA: Who do you think the writer is of "A Warning"? SNODGRASS: Like you said, this is the latest D.C. parlor game. I have
no idea. I know every time I talk to a friend at the White House, they give me two or three different names that they think it might be. So I think that it's pretty much up in the air still.
CAMEROTA: I mean the only reason I ask is because you're more in the know than other people and because it has been pointed out that your writing style is similar to the anonymous writing style. Do you have any insight into who you think it is?
SNODGRASS: No, I certainly don't. And, in fact, I have not read the anonymous book. I've had friends who read both my book and that book and they said that when you actually do consider both books, it -- you can tell they're pretty different. So I'm not sure why the author of yesterday's article thought it was me, but, like I said, not me.
CAMEROTA: OK. So tell us what we need to know about "Holding the Line," about your book?
SNODGRASS: Sure. Well, to that point, there is some -- there are similarities that run through. I think that what I really discuss is what you and I just discussed, Alisyn, and that's the incredible importance of a political, or, excuse me, a politicized military, the damage that can do. You want to step away from that. And you also want to make sure that people understand what's really going on behind closed doors, to provide the facts from an apolitical standpoint.
Here's what's happening so you can judge for yourself. Don't let anybody tell you what to believe. Read for yourself and figure it out. And also to see how America, on the world stage, when you think about our allies and partners. I know the last time I was on the show with you, we talked about this. They look to America. They don't have the same culture that we do. And so when they see this uncertainty, things are changing every 30 seconds. It's very difficult for them to, one, trust America, and it's very difficult for them to determine whether or not America will be there to help in the years to come.
CAMEROTA: Guy Snodgrass, thank you very much. We appreciate your direct answer to the questions.
SNODGRASS: You bet. Thanks, Alisyn.
CAMEROTA: Great to see you.
John.
BERMAN: You know, I can't help but notice that when you wrote a book --
CAMEROTA: Oh, yes.
BERMAN: "Amanda Wakes Up" --
CAMEROTA: Yes.
BERMAN: Now available in paperback, you did put your name to it, Alisyn Camerota.
CAMEROTA: Are you suggesting that I might be anonymous, the writer of "A Warning"?
BERMAN: No, I -- every major book that you've written, you've put your name on.
CAMEROTA: Because I'm feeling like -- maybe.
BERMAN: "Amada wakes Up."
CAMEROTA: Or have I?
BERMAN: Or have you?
CAMEROTA: OK. That's all I'm saying.
BERMAN: I'm just saying, it's now available in paperback.
CAMEROTA: Thanks. I worship you.
BERMAN: All right, a hero dog gets his day and Congressman Devin Nunes gets dogged by the comics. Here are your "Late Night Laughs."
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JIMMY FALLON, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JIMMY FALLON": Trump hosted the hero dog that was wounded during the al Baghdadi raid. His name is Conan. Check it out.
Yes. It was interesting, when Trump said, sit, stay, and roll over, every Republican in Congress started doing it.
SETH MEYERS, HOST, "LATE NIGHT WITH SETH MEYERS": According to reports, Republican Congressman Devin Nunes went to Europe last year and met with Ukrainian sources to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden. Wait, so you were overseeing the impeachment inquiry, and you were part of the thing he's been impeached for? This is like, if the judge at the OJ trial had been the glove.
STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT": According to Parnas' lawyer, Nunes' Vienna trip happened late November, early December 2018. Now, in a totally unrelated story, in 2018 Nunes claimed expenses for a four-day trip to Europe between November 30th and December 3rd. Abracadumdum (ph). How stupid do you have to be to file expense reports on a crime? All right, give me all the money in the vault and could you validate my parking?
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CAMEROTA: It's a good one.
BERMAN: Expense reports will be the end of all of us. You know, sooner or later the expense report is going to get you.
CAMEROTA: Follow the money. All right, we're following several major developments in the impeachment investigation.
NEW DAY continues right now.
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KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: A federal judge is ruling former White House Counsel Don McGahn must testify under congressional subpoena.
MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a huge win for the Democrats who have been arguing that the president's aides do not have absolute immunity.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McGahn has no right to answer questions if the president invokes the privilege.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This idea of absolute immunity is a fiction. It is baseless.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Supreme Court said the House would not get President Trump's financial documents, at least for now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their subpoenas matter, but not necessarily in this context and for this particular witch hunt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You cannot, as Congress, oversee the executive branch. We don't have co-equal parts of government anymore.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Alisyn Camerota and John Berman.
BERMAN: Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world.
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This is NEW DAY.
Call it Constitution 101. In a major, legal ruling that could have a huge impact on the impeachment investigation.
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